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No need for swearing, either of you.
You're right. Edited my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
If I have enough money to spare I will, but only once they have been tried and tested. I'm not going to be an early adopter on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
Besides, I'm still very pleased coming from a 2.7ghz X2 (extremely hot and power consuming @ 1.55v) to a nice 3.2ghz conroe (extremely cool and low volts). I have noticed a big difference in real gaming performance (cs:s).
How much did you gain in average FPS? I didnt gain much at all in the CS:S stress test @ 1280 x 1024 (shouldn't be THAT gfx limited) which surprised me. Which is why I turned to graphics card OCing, VF900 on its way :)
oh, I didn't really monitor it but at 4xAA/16xAF with my X2 whenever I got flashed, I would drop to about 30-40fps but with the conroe it keeps nice and steady at my monitor's refresh rate (60hz atm).Quote:
Originally Posted by miochza
haha I hate getting flashed. "You" get dizzy anyway so I'm sure it was very playable w/ the X2.
Yeh it was playable but when you want to play competatively you don't want any drops in FPS so I generally just ran 2x/8x with the X2.Quote:
Originally Posted by miochza
I hate getting flashed, especially getting multiple flashes one after the other, but I like using flashes :D
http://gathering.tweakers.net/global/smileys/heart.gif is in the air http://gathering.tweakers.net/global/smileys/devil.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
Haha! :D
Guy`s maybe this is another solution for your problems :
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=112085
buy a asus p5b non deluxe http://gathering.tweakers.net/global.../worshippy.gif , its cheap
His chip is a stepping 5 ES... you REALLY are pushing your "its not the chip it's the board" belief aren't you?
yup !! me is http://gathering.tweakers.net/global/smileys/rc5.gif . I didn`t know he had a ES. damn :p:
for all you non believers that say retail E6600 is bad for high fsb, 2 x retail conroe non ES, doing like 480 mhz fsb with multiplyer 7 and 9 :)
http://tweakers.net/ext/f/07a309de1d...1153e/full.jpg
and
http://home.hccnet.nl/J_Bongers/SuperPI/11656.PNG
first one = AIR
last one is phase change with vcore/vMCH mod
nice on this : http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=3904&s=1
overvolting the conroe :)
Looking back now do you guys wish you went with another board? Still deciding on which board to go with my E6600.
This shows us nothing we didn't already know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pjoeloe
We're talking about a retail E6600 @ 9x on air. My SuperPi scores are actually higher than that 7x shown with mine 9x @ 3.2GHz.
He's still hitting the same MHz WALL.
I must say though the last one IS impressive. Just not my thing right now.
Yes yes and yes....when MB companies bring out a board that is supposed to be top of line and dont back up the user base with updates then yes i would say its bad practise.Quote:
Looking back now do you guys wish you went with another board? Still deciding on which board to go with my E6600.
I think there are to many IT MB companies out their Fooking us over with marketing sheite....(and yes we all fall for it). Its time for a MB company to really get onboard (excuse the pun) with the user base and make a board that is stable and has the support.
I mean we do put food on thier tables every night dont we.
If i was to bet on MB company that was going to produce a rock solid range of Motherboards over the next 6 to 12 months, it would have to be ABIT.
Dont ask me why, i just have this sneaky feeling that they are going to be back and take the MB market by storm.
;)
Actually, theoretically, a higher FSB lower multi would yield increased bandwidth since the FSB is the path of the CPU's communication of the system. Your better Superpi must be the result of some other substantial hardware difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
The second one is not with only 1.6v, is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pjoeloe
I couldnt pass 4.3ghz with 1.67v using Dry Ice... :( - But once I get my mach II kit, I'll go for 1.8v and a 4.5ghz.... - But that stunt you've just made, thats awesome, sad that the performance on 965P is so weak :(
M.Beier, it`s not mine, :cool:
Anybody else have any week 26 E6600's? A guy on here's doin' 3.4GHz at stock voltage on air! Mine's a week 23. From what I've read so far...
Week 23 < Week 24 < Week 25 < Week 26
...if this continues, mine's goin up on eBay and I'm getting a week 27 or whatever comes out. :)
That's what I get for buying mine so early and paying a premium for it, hehe.
I have no idea which week mine was made, I actually didnt even bother lookin' - didnt consider it being important like on A64.
Pjoeloe, ohh, oki, well, thats a quite neat speed ;)
What's your VCore @ 3.6GHz? NO way to let us know your week #? Pleez? Aren't YOU curious enough to rip it out real quick? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by M.Beier
Hehe, its 6am here, and 3pm Im gonna pick up my mom at the airport, so no, Im goin' to bed - but I'll take a look before puttin' my mach II on, its hopefully comming within this week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
I use 1.575v with watercooling - 1.6v with passive cooling (TT Sonictower)..
Not a super-chip, just getting squezzed, cause the juice is worth the squize in my oppinion :)
I've got a week 26 that's terrible (IMO). 3.2 GHz @ 1.40 vCore so far. 3360 @ 1.45/1.475 is stable if I cool it very very well. I've got a lapped Big Typhoon... this is hurting :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
Interesting...still better than any week 23 I think I've seen. Mine needs 1.475V for 3.2GHz on my P5W. Funny thing is it only needed 1.45V on my DS3. Gotta love the P5W droopage.
So yeah, my chip straight up takes .075 more VCore than yours. That's fairly significant. :(
I have a week 24 that appears to be prime stable at 3.3ghz at 1.49 volts (stock cooling at 55C, tomorrow water gets stetup). I am hoping my water (pa120.3, storm, dd5, ek chipset block will let me get atleast 3.6 (though 4 was my original hope))
nice, air or water?Quote:
Originally Posted by MustardTheoRy
Look at vcore, I dont think week matters ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
I was having a problem what my XP SP2 wouldn't shut down, instead it restarted.
I solved it by deconnecting all USB devices (keyboard and mouse too!), then shutting down (with the poiwer button, configure it as such in power management). When the system was shut down, I reconnected the USB devices one by one, and now my XPSP2 shuts down correctly.
From another thread, that's air. 1.65v no thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
@Brahmzy mines a E6600 week 23 on air, (all bios voltages over by 0.02v)
Prime stable 3.5GHz/1.475v (bios)
Prime stable (24/7) 3.6GHz/1.55v (bios)
Benches Pi 3.7Ghz@1.575v (bios)
The highest I've had it to play with is 3.73GHz, but I'm stopping there as I'm not putting any more volts through it. Maybe they're not all bad?
Ok guyz, Im hoping you can shed some light on this:
Im on a E6600 week 24 does 3.6 ghz 4:5 stable 24/7 @ 1.5v (bios) on air. Except ive hit the wall. Only way i can get it this high is by enabling SPD timings. Which is crap cause i know my GEIL ultra memory can take upto DDR900 @ 4-4-4-12. Now my question is, will asus through a bios update be able to resolve the crap memory divider issue or am i doomed and have to wait for DFI to come out with a nicer board than the infinity :)
every 975x chipset based board owner needs to start playing with memset tRD, tRFC and other values http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=111400 will make a lot of difference especially to dual stressprime and other stability tests
yeh, but I don't like the idea of using memset at every boot. It just doesn't feel like a 24/7 thing to use..Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
I hate that enabling auto detection of memory timings. Mine's @ 5-6-6-18 too @ 2.0v @ 800mhz 1:1 (rated 4-4-4-12 @ 800 :() but it gets me to 400fsb so can't complain too much.
You tried this ? http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=111400Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
little tutorial how to boot up with ram spd settings, take a screenshot of the settings in win with memtest, reboot, take the ram to tight timings in bios and then boot and change the ram settings to the screenshot with the tight timings. Helped people to go from 400 mhz fsb to 450 with E6600 retail :cool:
edit eva2000 posted the link also I see :p:
hopefully Asus will have a bios like their P5B Deluxe for more timing options in bios, but for now try the memset test to confirm if it's your cpu, board and board MCH latencies or memory timings or any of these combinations that is causing your instability :)Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
I hope so.. I will try memset some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
I have something else to test right now. ;)
Anyone has similar problems?
One of my USB devices 2,5" HDD does not allways work, Mobo and windows just do´nt recognise it :(
No matter what port it is connected.
The only problem with that is, Tras is set to 18 by AUTO yet in the BIOS it can only go up to 15, and there's also a 5th option for memory settings in the BIOS but it does not show up in Memset, atleast for me, but maybe I'm blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pjoeloe
Thanks for all the help. I will try this - just not real excited about having to reset memset at every reboot. In fact, I probably will stay where I'm at instead of doing that. Might be nice for a bench or two though. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pjoeloe
Well if you succeed with memtest a speed like 9 x 450 , we know it`s not the cpu :banana: . I`m gonna test it tonight , see if it works ...
it`s just what the writer say`s "Asus need to provide access to far more RAM settings in the Bios. This might well be the cause of the FSB wall and would explain why different people get the wall at different points "
Damn I am starting to hate asus for this crappy :banana::banana::banana::banana: of a board. I have no oc what so ever but the mobo still hangs on post or is VERY slow at it.
Really think this is a pre production junk that should be shipped in half a year when they fixed the tons of bugs :(
How do I change sata header as stated in the first post ??
Mine did the same. Sometimes it recognised it sometimes I didn't. Got annoying so I plugged in a spare usb 2.0 pci controller I had lieing around. Works everytime now and no need to wait at POST for mobo to detect drives. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BulldogPO
hi there what program are you guys using to get the northbridge temperature ,
No program shows NB temp, there is no sensor in 975Quote:
Originally Posted by GLENBOY
thanks lawry i have speedfan and i think that shows the southbridge temp only
Yup, that'll be the SB temp
my P5W and E6400 can do 400FSB nice (no freezes in windows), but when I start the ORTHOS SP2004 with large FFT-s then it gives me an erroro randomly. once i could run it 9h straight without error (then i shut down the computer), but today it gave me an errory within the first hour. ive upped the MCH voltage to 1,6V (no drop by a multimeter) and the vcore up to 1,35V.
maybe someone has an idea to solve this problem. or I just keep trying with different settings.
btw my P5W has the newest bios 1101
Mine does the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by heikis
I had 7 hours prime at 3387, next day it was erroring/crashing within a couple of hours :confused:
hmm ..seems that people with high fsb get much pain to keep their rig stable under dual prime :(Quote:
Originally Posted by heikis
It is likely a heat problem. If I leave my vMCH at Auto, it'll crash if I don't point a fan at the nb/mosfet sinks. If I bump it up to 1.55 V, no crashes :)
Is speedfan accurate with Vcore readings ???
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/5324/speedfanwe6.jpg
Running orthos for 7h39 min asus probe reading 1.44/1.45
If yes that infamous Vdroop not only temps ( 54° actually , not so bad IMO !).... damn asus boards :mad:
Buy a digital multimeter and find out yourself :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mykou
So would the posted memset tricks work if I can boot up at say, 400 (for a 3.6 ghz OC) WITH SPD on but cannot get it stable at a lower voltage?
well my P5W DH is up and running from bios so far 22.5C cpu temp and 30C mb temp water cooled cpu heh
Still 1.02g rev it seems but confirmed that the 1.85v MCH option is available - funny it was set to default 1.85v MCH when i loaded the bios for 1st time :eek:
This board came from Asus direct and is using default 0801 bios that came with board :)
is that 1.85Vmch gives you an extra Mhz of OC?
so this 1.85vmch option is a hardware revision and not bios enable? I have the 1.02g too but it doesnt have that option.
Anyone have a weird issue when you set your PCI-E freq to 101 in the BIOS but it shows up as 80 in ClockGen?
BIOS 0801
yes i thought i was the only oneQuote:
Originally Posted by zoob
I actually try to adjust it to 100 thinking that's maybe the reason why I was unstable; well it crashed on me..:(
P5W DH only been running for less than 3hrs havent even installed windows yet.. just doing my usual memtest tests first to figure stuff out :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumbaa
mines 1.02g so i don't think the change is major enough to warrant a revision change i think .. not sureQuote:
Originally Posted by syne_24
one question i have regarding this so called 360-370fsb wall.. what is the wall related to ? as in is this wall in booting P5W DH, stability, or benchmarking etc ?
I'm currently memtest at stock AUTO = 1.242v vcore with 9x380fsb 1:1 4-4-4-12 at 2.1v for 3424mhz with my E6600 (yes probably won't be windows stable but this cpu managed 3496mhz at 1.242v on my bad axe windows benchable).
So question is where's this fsb wall meant to be at in what apps or scenarios ?
My southbridge temp is jumping by 15c when I start up 3d apps. looks like my Crossfire setup is dumping a load of heat on top of it. Do you think its worth sticking a fan over the area?
I guess in my experience the "wall" refers to stability. Probably dual prime or orthos would be the obstacle. While the actual freeze or instant reboot wall is around 415-420 running benchmarks.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Quote:
Originally Posted by syne_24
Have noticed the same...I have changed the FSB with Clockgen and it reboots on 415FSB or more...even with ram timings @ SPD...:slapass: Any tips for boot in 430FSB or more :rolleyes:
Regards,
Primoz
I can get a boot at 440FSB, not tried for stability but when my E6300 gets here I'll be happy with 428 * 7 :)
eva, YGPM ;)
I dont get it.... I see people posting about 400FSB+ Can you guys be more precise and tell us how u achieved this? Only way i get 400FSB+ is by settings auto SPD timings.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibinco
I can boot in and be fully stable @ 414mhz but as soon as I set the fsb to 415 through bios it wont even post. If I set my memory to spd I can boot in up to 425 but and bench but as soon as I try 426 It wont post.... tried upping all the voltages and its same thing. The only real thing I did to get over 400fsb was to disable hyperpath3 its getting over 414 thats been the challenge for me. this is on a o.e.m 6700 havent played with any of the multis under 10x though think I just need more than 1.65mch to go higher from this point.
Allright m8 thanks for the info....That being the case its most likely the crap mem-dividers on the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyperformance
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibinco
should have mentioned this is @ 1:1 when I try other ratios over 410 I dont post either. Havent tried them all as I keep getting pulled away from playing with my rig the past couple weeks :(
Hehe look at my beauties!!!
First my Ninja ;) Really hard to lap something so BIG o.O
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4651/dscf0012hf8.jpg
Have you ever seen a lap job better than this? I haven't, very pleased!!! :D
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3...dconroegh6.jpg
Funny thing is.. before I started lapping my ninja I dropped my Celeron D backup cpu onto my hard wooden floor. It landed bang on the corner of the substrate and I got some big dogeared corner on the substrate. I was like Oh oh.. BAD START.. should I really lap my Conroe now :eek:
I thought no way is this cpu still alive... Plugged it into my P5WDH and it's running windows perfectly right now rofl :D STOKED!!
where can i get the newest bios from (v1011)?
It's 1101, not 1011. ASUS.com
Hey, I did a little more testing. My CPU is stable at 3.2 GHz (357 x 9) 1.40 vCore in Orthos - Blend mode. If I switch to 400 x 8, the system is no longer stable. I've tested up to ~375 FSB without it failing.Quote:
Originally Posted by syne_24
I'm quite sure the CPU can do 3.2 no problem as I've done Small FFTs overnight.
I've tried 1.65 vMCH with loooooose RAM timings, as well as 1.20 on the SB (I forget the voltage name haha!) as using my thermal probe (index finger :)) the SB was burning hot to touch under my two 7900 GTX's... both with no luck in increasing 400 FSB stability.
wow lawrywild, nice lapping wish i had the patience to lap for that long to get it shiny like that heh
Seems to be about the same as on my Intel D975XBX when @3600mhz at 1.376-1.384v vcore load (Badaxe needed 1.371v vcore) but with P5W DH needed to raise MCH volts from 1.55v to 1.65v :)
vCore = 1.425v
fsb = 1.3
vdimm = 2.1v
MCH = 1.65
ICH = AUTO
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5W...me_load_tn.png
Heh, tbh I rushed it in about 20-30 mins :stick: I'm really surprised it came out so nice :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Impressive chip! I can't get mine stable at anywhere near 3.6 for the life of me. I think after lapping and changing to Scythe Ninja, I've gained about 50mhz so I'm happy with that :)
Interesting.. we need more ram timings in bios :slapass: yes my SB gets very hot too after lots of full load.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoob
Btw it's vICH (I/o Controller Hub)
i have SB heatsink cover off and 120x25mm 75cfm fan over my video card which blows on SB heatsink as well keeps it at 30-34C SB temps under dual stressprime load @3600mhz at 1.376v on P5W DH :)
eva you have an ES; no fair :D
I have a feeling Intel probably nerf the retail..
All the good chips probably binned for the Xeons :)
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Good catch! Eva, why even post this garbage? Who cares about ES chips anyway? None of us can get any, so none of us care. We're trying to see what RETAIL/OEM chips can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by syne_24
Not trying to be rude, but ES posts only clutter the already messy pile of screenshots and posts we have to sift through.
And yes I am jealous, but seriously Can you guys stop posting you ES chip results and comparing them to our RETAILs? :)
haha that's like asking shamino or kingpin or kinc not to oc ... :p: :slap: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
So start an "ES OC" thread, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
this thread is related to P5W DH not the cpu :rolleyes:
That's great and all but most ES chips perform quite differently compared to retails/oems. So in ANY discussion, the comparisons can lead to confusion. Get it?Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
yes but each motherboard of same model/brand can perform differently due to quality of MCH/NB, memory used as well well as the quality of the power supply you use (example http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?p=44980#post44980).Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy
i.e. have a crappy board with max 370fsb limit, and E6600 ES cpu isn't gonna do crap to improve a 370fsb limit or clock better than a retail E6600 on a board with 420fsb limit.
So what you need separate threads for each cpu, motherboard, memory and psu combination as well ?
zoob above in this thread uses a different psu from you so, he should post in another thread too as it's not what you're using ?
Bro, c'mon...give me a break. I'm not the only one who is frustrated by this as you can see in my other thread. At the minimum, let us know CLEARLY that you've got an ES chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
We are cloggin a good thread with crap, so let's keep this particular issue in the "other" thread.
LOL this is funny.. :rolleyes:
Eva is welcome to post his ES in this thread. He doesn't need to say clearly whether it's ES or not, just look at the CPU-Z for yourself..
Please stop argueing.. after all, this is my thread not yours Brahmzy.
Anyway, here's what I get 24/7. I get to run my rig really silent now and waiting on my Tuniq Tower to make its way over from Germany..
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7...alpi32mag3.png
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/5...rest713lj8.png
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5723/ortoswk2.th.jpg
Yesterday mounted the E6600 with my friend . Before that flashed the 0903 BIOS , as my MB came with the 0401 one :)
Replaced the AS5 under the NB passive cooler, so far did not have any problems:)
V Core 1.46 MCH 1.55 V- I think this needs to go to 1.6 V . Mem V 2.0 as it s running below its projected speed anyway. This chip is OEM , not ES , I think a promising one :p:
T around 52C during Prime , might be better with a better , stronger pump /on the way -OASE 910 /.
That's an impressive chip you have. Please post more details :) Also, is your system stable when you try the Blend mode?
The Core Temp readings are hilarious! 85 C (?) ahahaha..:banana:
Quote:
Originally Posted by famich
The ASUS monitoring SW is sometimes way off the tracks:)Quote:
Originally Posted by zoob
Regarding the blend mode : going to test it tomorrow:D
I never run Blend.Quote:
Originally Posted by famich
I run Small FFTs and Large FFTs seperately. If both are fine then I consider my rig stable.
Anyone have any info regarding the beep codes of the P5W DH?
The manual (Gasp yes i did actually look at it) has listed only 3 different beep codes,
mine beeps once then 8 seconds later it beeps again,
removed Memory it beeps like 3 or 4 times
removed GFX beeps a different pattern of 3 or 4 beeps
put back everything and beeps once but the monitor still doesnt display and i have no way of knowing if it is POSTing or not....
I don't have one of the lil speakers anymore so not heard any beep codes.Quote:
Originally Posted by bullet2urbrain
Anyway, I read the manual, its a good thing.. more people here need to RTFM!!!
Didnt Asus have that voice beep thingy that tells you what's wrong during boot up? I know they did on the nv board. That's the thing I dont like about Asus sometimes; it's like one step forward but also 2 steps backward.
For people with lots of $$$, here is a nice new review of a 1 KW Enermax power supply :D
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/365
Question: Where exactly do i test my actual VCore with my multimeter?
Anybody heard about it ?
I saw posts from people with their new board and having this one
:confused:
If so thanks to give a link
Using this P5W DH, I seem to be in the same boat as Lawrywild. 356 being the tops that I can hit. A friend of mine has hers wound out the same way. 356 <> anything after that is crash-crash-crash.
http://www.cluboc.net/images/khaotic/cpuz.jpg
http://www.cluboverclocker.com/image...P2004@9hrs.jpg
Of course CPUZ has the voltage all wrong. To hold that steady I have to use 1.485 or I won't be able to get Prime to hold. Other than that - she's good to go.