I never got much over 400FSB stable with my q9450. I just figured the p35 or the DFI had issues with the chip and it would never happen. I put an E8400 in instead and the q9450 has been back in the box ever since.
I never got much over 400FSB stable with my q9450. I just figured the p35 or the DFI had issues with the chip and it would never happen. I put an E8400 in instead and the q9450 has been back in the box ever since.
Well, i think it was about time someone said something about all the "Snake Oil" claims and settings list that populate this forum and the rest of the clocking world. It's idiot stuff like that, that gives people unrealistic expectations of what they may clock to, and then to add insult to injury puts people in a postion where they could probably end up killing a good cpu. I'm shure that Praz is of the same view as me on this, i just wish more people would flag up this sort of rubbish for what it is. If i have offended anyone i'm sorry, i don't get annoyed that often, but this sort of stuff really get's my back up.
One of the shortcomings of the Internet. Anyone can throw out garbage and it's assumed to be of value until refuted by someone.
So today I'm testing this Biostar P45 board, just feeling it out, taking measurements and getting ready for some LN2 I'll be doing with it.
I figured I'd attempt to accomplish the same 24/7 settings as I run on the gold standard DFI UT P35. For now I just swapped boards in my air setup, so it should be a good comparison. The DFI will go back in as my 24/7 for sure though. Even out of the setup and sitting there, it still looks as badass and tempting as it did six months ago.
First thing I notice in Biostar bios (which is pretty good), is that gtl settings are way fewer and not as fine grain - only allow certain combinations.
Another annoyance was that I had to use a slipstreamed xp sp2 disc, whereas the DFI allowed the original xp and SP to be separate.
Edit - so far it's really easy to get 600+ FSB @ low voltages with the Biostar, but getting a good clock with tight timings is a pain. So I would say the DFI is still ahead so far in my comparison.
Hey there,
I can't get my UT to shutdown and stay down. Whatever way I turn the machine off (Windows shutdown, 4 sec power button etc.), it stays off for about two seconds and then starts up again. I've never had such a behavior with any machine I've built before and thus am a little confused. Could I have connected something wrong (which I'd have to have done several times then, as I've assembled the system three times in two different cases and it's always been that way), or has someone else had that phenomenon with this board ? Any ideas on what I could have done wrong or overlooked ?
Just got the board from newegg (open box). When trying to OC I can't raise the vid control above 1.25vcore without the the system failing to boot after restart. It stops at the C1 code. However, if I leave vid control on auto and use vid special add I can increase vcore as high as I want and the system boots fine. I have tried different bios' and still have the same issue. I have also tried all of the known "DFI tricks" but the problem remains.
Perhaps this is why the board came back to newegg in the first place.
When you used vid control, was the vdroop control enabled or disabled? If you use vid control and enable vdroop c. it can sometimes make the mobo unstable and not boot.
vdroop was "enabled" but this allows for the standard intel vdroop. If it is "disabled" then there is zero vdroop.
I did a 6 hour bios clear (battery out, PSU unplugged) and when I restarted into bios I loaded optimized defaults and rebooted. Then I changed only the vid control and whenever I get above 1.25vcore set the system won't boot. At 1.25 it boots fine. One more notch and it is dead.
Can you try to ask DFi to replace the board?
I personally prefer adding vcore with special add option but this is wrong...:D
Yup I know what you mean it should work but at least there is a way round it.
I have run 9+ hours at 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3 & 4.4GHz with something like + 101 ~ 110 or so % & its run flawlessly so I guess its just the way its going to be.
I have run higher than 110% & indeed run + 125 + % with my Q6600 so I'm sure the special add is sound enough to run higher voltage.
CN
I may do just that as I don't want to go thru newegg again so soon. I just had to return a new Biostar TpowerI45 board as there was something amiss with the PCIe buss. They were very good to deal with as I got all of my $$$ back without a restocking fee but this is a little different as the board certainly performs well at stock settings and I can even run at 4GHz stable since I only need 1.216vcore to get there. But I would like the vid control to work.
I guess I will play with this for a week or so and see if I am comfortable with this and perhaps I will just live with it as is. If not I will contact DFI.
I'd send the board back to NewEgg. DFI is only going to warranty an open-box purchase for 90 days.
I recieved the board from newegg on 7-10-08. So do I have 90 days from that date to deal with DFI? And if I choose to go thru DFI what are my options? A new board or $$$ back? Thanks for your input.
EDIT: I have requested an RMA from newegg. Hopefully they will again waive the $20 restocking fee and the $10 to ship it back to CA.
Within the 90 day time frame starting at date of purchase DFI will repair your board and send it back to you.
What kind of times do you guys get at 3.6Ghz in SuperPI 32M runs? I'll start off...
9/13 BIOS
Q6600 9 x 400
DDR1200 5-5-5-15 @ 2.12v
No tweaks, except High Priority run and LargeSystemCache = 1
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3...ddr1200hi1.png
I could go much tighter but I prefer Prime95 Blend stable.
I'm new here and I just got this board. I've read about 50% of this thread so far and working on the rest. Looking forward to learning more. If anyone wants to point me to any key sections to read, that would be great.
first off thanks for the admins for activating my account
so i read all 150 and man AMAIZING i had to get me a setup like this
so for my first system heres my specs
DFI LANPARTY LP LT P35-T2R
Intel Core 2 Quad-Core Q6600 G0 SLACR 2.4 GHZ
OVERCLOCKED TO 3.7 GHZ
BUS SPEED 415.3 MULTIPLIER BY 9 RATED FSB 1661
G.SKILL PC 8500 1066 DDR2 MEMORY RUNNING AT 1250
ARTIC FREEZER 7 PRO CPU COOLER
PALIT 9600 GT SONIC 512 MB VIDEO CARD
TEMPS
CPU 42C IDLE PWM 44C IDLE CHIPSET 45C IDLE
CHECK OUT MY PICS ON MY PAGE
WILL BE OVERCLOCKING AGAIN SOON WHEN I GET MY NEW Thermalright HR-05 IFX CHICPSET COOLER
WILL BE LAPPING CPU, CPU COOLER AND CHIPSET COOLER
GONNA GET SOME INSANE CLOCKS GUYS
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
heres a pic so far so bear with me
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...trx/37baby.jpg
Welcome to XS ;)
44C on the PWM is OK, bit way too much if you're going to squeeze extra MHZ out of your CPU. With similar voltage I idle at 33C (25C ambient) and 49C when loaded on the PWM.
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/9274/p1050181pb7.jpg
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6033/p1050182vk2.jpg
Any type of ramsinks is a _must_ on the CPL chips, plus a high CFM fan and transpiper. This alone will make your CPU prime at lower vCore. I also cool back of the mobo when I want to go above 3.9Ghz during the summer. Putting some MX-2 or AS5 would be a good idea on the digital MOS-FETs under the heatpipe. Congrats, DFI's (and Foxconn's) 8-phase digital PWM is the best design yet for handling quads, nothing can beat it ;).
Anyone got 6400 Ballistix on this mobo to tell me what to expect from the modules.
Tnx.:up:
The last time I checked, the DFI site had an outdated ICH9R driver so I used the infinst_autol directly from intel.
But there is also an Intel_Inf_Util on the DFI site. Can anyone tell me what that is?
Ok, I got you, now I get it. The infinst_autol that you get from intel installs drivers for both the ICH9R and the P35. Thats why I never needed the other one. Thanks.
If i was to cut the heatpipe off would i see a increase in temperature from either two heatsink from the corners, i want to add a waterblock to my NB....
Can i do this.
I have another question that I'm hoping someone can answer. I currently have a 2 drive RAID 0 array. Will the RAID BIOS utility allow me to add a third drive to that stripe and build it in without causing me to have to reformat?
Anyone?
Don´t think so
When the system writes data in Raid 0 i divides it into fragments. The number of fragments depends on the number of hard drives and they are written to their disks in the same time on the same sector. Therefore i think you will have to add another disk and format because the system wouldn't allow it.
Right, I was just hoping that the raid controller might be smart enough to reorganize the data...
Something thats gonna go well with my Board.....got this today from Trax
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...ture001-43.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...ture005-30.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...ture004-37.jpg
Might be a LN2 pot but that doesnt mean i cant play with Dice
Eww, that looks cool..
Just recieved a UT p35 from an individual seller.
Gonna be putting 'er together this weekend with my components that are on my asus.
Hi guys, i've used the search and i know that was something write about it, but i couldnt find.
I take two pair of raptors from my other rig and try to set them in raid 0, but when i set to raid, i couldnt boot from sata Asus DVDRW, i even instal the bios that solve this problem LP35D823.zip
1. Added LAN, Audio,1394, IDE chip Item.
2. Support DDR2 533 Module when NB strap jump set to 333MHz.
3. Fixed can't install vista when plus 4GB memory.
4. Fixed Vista64 DRAM size issue.
5. Fixed EIST can't be disabled in vista.
6. Fixed can't boot from SATA CD-ROM when Enable RAID mode..
But i couldnt boot from dvdrw
I've set the raptors in sata 1 and 2, and put another HDD in sata 3 and DVDRW in sata 4, then i try to put them in 5 and 6 and it's the same.
Any idea on this?
Thanks
Optical drive connected to one of the last two ports (4, 5). Choose the proper device to boot from. Generic CD-ROM/DVD is no longer a valid selection.
Why not just leave the jmicron set to ide mode in the bios and use it for the dvdrw?
Solved, when set to raid the bios see the dvdrw has a ahci device, and the dvdrw apear with a new name, but only after save and reboot and enter the bios again to select.
Thanks
Does anyone know if the network teaming works with vista?
Hey Guys....need some help
I want to purchase a mosfet thermalright heatsink and a Southbridge heatsink, in order for me to watercool my Northbridge (Chipset).... for a better stable overclock on my DFI.
These sinks need to be replaced....
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...018/Mosfet.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...SBheatsink.jpg
www.thermalright.com Can someone advise me which one goes where.
Thanks
DoObs, they have a chart thingy http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_pa...mcl.htm#dfip35 just scroll righ to the bottom.
CN :)
LOL, thanks CN , im stupid, i was looking at the chart but wasnt reading it properly......thanks man..:D
Flashed to 05/02 bios and tested it a bit, works just as well as 12/24 did for E6750, no bugs, no weird stuff, very stable and good for 65nm as well as for 45nm.:up:
Also some of the new few options come in handy.
Haven’t spent much time with 0502 as I found it a little touchy compared to 0317 & I get a strange chirp from the PC speaker every now & again when the board is not 100% happy i.e I set it up wrong.
There is also a typo in there somewhere I think it’s the "Read delay phase adjust" reads as Rea5 or something.
Here's my 8500 on a TRUE @ 4.5GHz using 0502 so its not all bad.
CN :)
Did you try max fsb with your board on that bios or on any for that matter and on which voltage?
Tnx, will pay attention to what possible faults you have mentioned.:up:
I used memtest to tweak out the GTL's & voltages before booting. I actually memtested 617fsb but I couldn’t get into windows over 605fsb.
I have always used memtest on a Floppy rather than a CD as I found you can usualy post & test a few more fsb from a Floppy rather than a CD, strange I know but the extra work the PC has to do to boot/run a CD knocks off a few testable fsb & when you’re after every fsb it counts.
I find you don’t need lots of nb until you start loading the board up i.e. lots of drives, high & tight ram speeds etc.
CN :)
Update, new cpu and a new fan on a heatsink and temps on default with 23C(74F) ambiental:
http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-1ywp.jpg
Thorough testing next.:up:
Can you use all 6 intel sata ports to control a single 6 drive raid 0 striped array?
Check out my SG skin (just made my own background for the skin he posted in this thread):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...Aztec/ss2b.jpg
^CLICK ME^
We share the same, you just change the image and the configuration settings in the ITE root folder.
These are the changed ones:
http://rapidshare.com/files/13292883...or_XS.zip.html
:up:
Ye its great, It was made by DJ SUB a member here at XS.
He posted a link to it & I also downloaded it RAR'ed it up & posted it again in this thread somewhere.
I have seen a few real smart versions of the skin arround, have a look at the skins Apache0c & mad_skills have posted & if you still want my exact one I'll find/upload it again.
CN :)
@ mad_skills, DoObs & anyone else interested.
I had a quick play with 0502 & contrary to what I was saying about 0317 vs 0502 the other day I actually found 0502 a little more stable & predictable at high fsb.
Interesting thing is I have also got a boot into windows wall about 585 ~ 595fsb where PLL helped with 0317 & vtt helped with 0502.
Despite only needing 1.61v NB to post & get into the BIOS well over 600fsb I had to use a whole heap of NB voltage to prevent lockups & reboots when in windows.
Excuse the BIOS version typo in Smartguardian.
CN :)
wow thats nice C-N! :D
So I take it you are going to stick with 502 now? What about 521 in the beta section? Has the same changelog info as 502 so I am unsure what else is different, but perhaps a little more fine tuning? Care to try out 521 and compare to 502? I am still on 317 and liking it very much. I would switch to 502/521 as long as my current settings were transferable without having to start all over testing new values.
Lastly, what is the SATA RAID ROM bios version in 502?
:up: thanks
I have a big bag of BIOS chip's all pre flashed with different BIOS's so its no great shakes to swap them out. The biggest problem is usually find & deciphering my mad scribbled notes.
I think 0317 & 0502 are fine stable BIOS's & I am happy on either.
I did try 0521 a while back but I never pushed it, you know what its like you just got to try it incase it somehow makes 10,0000mhz at 1.0v :D (Ever the optimist) TBH I dont realy do high fsb I'm only realy interested in what can be used super stable 24/7 so I probably wont try to push 0521 any time soon.
The RAID ROM is unchanged at 7.5 something.
CN :)
@C-N Nice work man, appreciate it.:up: Nice to know that 05/02 is a proper bios so i can just relax and do some o/c.:up:
Also everyone, are the GTL settings the same for 65nm C2D and 65nm C2Q?
I have used this chart for my E6750:
http://www.edgeofstability.com/index.html
and just wanted to know if you need to take certain notice on those setting when ocing quad.
Yes they are the same, but you will be needing to run a fairly high VTT with a Quad. Also don't forget, those values are only true for the board and cpu that Praz was running at the time. They may well bear no relation to your board and cpu. So just use it as a starting point, and tweak it out from that.
Tnx for the tip man, appreciate it.:up:
You'll need the Type 2 version of the mosfet coolers.
Type 3 are to short and won't fit (they fit on the DK version).
Just to be sure, measure the distance between the small holes of the mosfets and then choose the appropriate Type from Thermalright.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/FORUMS/...postcount=4870
Sorry but not exact
http://www.xtremesystems.org/FORUMS/...postcount=1832
Maybe changed the background image but the original custom SG ini was edited by me for DFI 965S DARK two year agoo.
http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ardianins2.jpg
http://forum.nexthardware.com/showpo...&postcount=304
http://www.xtremesystems.org/FORUMS/...&postcount=897
So please next time give the credits correctly.
Have fun
Misthral
I usually don't get involved in this petty bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: but I'll make an exception this time. The only thing the two different versions have in common other then being Smart Guardian is the background being black. Give it a rest. Both look good but there's nothing Earth shattering here. A 6 year old could do up one of these skins. A sad situation if this is such a priority of one's life.
I am very sorry you feel cheated out of credit here but I was not aware of you or your earlier 965 skin & .ini. We were however talking about the skin not the whole thing including the .ini you made. To the best of my knowledge DJSUB made the skin background haoster was referring to.
I re-made & tidied up my .ini in English, altered fonts, spacing & text colour so my skin & .ini are not really exactly like your original 2 years ago. I would however like to say thanks to you for it anyway as without your work we may not of had such a nice skin/.ini :up:
CN :)
Well, no flame here but latins says "reddite quae sunt Caesaris, Caesari et quae sunt" means give to Caesar what is his (this a quote, im not compare myself to Gaius Julius Caesar :D)
Customizing SG is not simply change skin, is a work to change the whole ini, line after line to adjust the right alignment.
And if you open the ini file whit notepad you can see my notes in italian language.
Not a epic work but it takes time. My time in this case. I have shared mi work for all and i have simply request to give the credits correctly. Not for glory, for polite attitude.
So as i say no flame peace&love
Sorry for my maccheroni english, now i return back into the goddamn walls.
searched forums and google with no luck. maybe one of you can point me in the right direction. in the bios i set the RAM voltage at the top whereas the bottom values are different on subsequent reboots. i had the top set to 1.904v and the bottom gave the values of 1.85v, 1.87 and 1.89 on subsequent reboots. everest gave the same volts all but once. should i worry about this ? have you guys encountered the same ? does it really keep the same volts even with the misreads ?
thanks in advance :shrug:
i trust everest more that bios readings
The VDIMM you set in BIOS is dead on, you set 2.12v and its 2.120v when you measure with multimeter. Confirmed by me and Praz. The BIOS voltage _settings_ are very accurate.
thank you nfm, i respect you guys opinion. i guess investing in a multimeter would not hurt. :up:
No problem my friend ;). You respect me I respect you. I just measured few voltages and got interesting results, it's either the new 3/17 BIOS or I used I different ground spot before. I couldn't replicate the results that I used to get before.
DMM = Digital Multimeter
Prime 95 Blend
BIOS setting | Idle DMM | Load DMM
CPU PLL: 1.55v, 1.544v, 1.543v
CPU VTT: 1.58v, 1.557v, 1.561v
vDIMM: 2.12v, 2.07v, 2.08v
vDIMM: 2.19v, 2.15v, 2.14v
vDIMM: 2.23v, 2.19v, 2,19v
vNB: 1.65v, 1.633v, 1.626v
Prime95 Small FFTs
BIOS setting | Idle DMM | Load DMM
CPU VTT: 1.60v, 1.584v, 1.586v
CPU VTT: 1.58v, 1.557v, 1.559v
I will try few others. But it looks interesting, last time I measured the vDIMM was dead on, Praz also got the same result.
i'm using the 12/24 bios and guessing that's not the fault.
:shrug:
i know the board is godlike with my e6850
hows the board doin with the 45nm i play on gettin an 8600
whats best bios for the 45mn
With the E8500 on board, mine runs 24/7 at 500x9.5(4.75ghz). Maximum fsb i have reached is 586(suicide shot). So the board is very very good with 45nm dual cores. I am looking to move to the E8600 when it's released in the UK as well, you never know, it might even turn into my first 5ghz 24/7 clock :D
Could be the BIOS version. The most accurate means of measurement is to reference the same ground plane as the circuit being measured. This at times can prove difficult though. So pick a spot on the board to use as a ground reference for all voltage measurements. Form this point make voltage measurements at other ground points on the board to insure a reading of zero volts. It's best not to use a power supply point as ground.
Anyone tried clocking a P4 on this board? At stock settings with a vcore only bump, I'm getting shutdown as bios temps rise up. I tried disabling all pwr mgmt features and also turned off automatic shutdown and lowered the read temp by 15c. I was able to get it up past 4ghz, but with no stability, and it seemed to just heat up and fail.
I guess they really are PresHOTs
I'm just hoping someone who's clocked one of these on a P35 and knows a workaround. Or should I just make it really cold and all is gravy? BTW - This will be benched and that's it. I just want to get some tweaking practice before the session.
System -
Pentium 4 540 E0
DFI UT P35 - 3/17 bios
HX1000 PSU
1gb Mushkin pc8500
1x Raptor
TX to anyone with info..
Never mind, I had a bad mount (which frankly stumped me more than most problems). P4 clocks great on this board and 3/17 bios. Easy 4.5ghz on air and top 5 1m for that chip lol.
What air cooling did you use? Because i know Prescotts can be quite hot.:D
just want to ask how to set 1T on command rate?
thanks in advance! :D
By Oskar Wu ;):
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/2...5166ar4.th.gif
i think both ch1 & ch2 command to cs delay need to set 1t to make it work. :D
thanks nfm! :)
Anyone using a OCZ Core SSD with this board? I just got one and I can't boot from it. Might be a bad disk.
Got a question, running a Q9XX0 chip and when I set Vtt and Vcore in bios 05/21/08 my settings always read a bit higher than the actual set voltage in bios, ie; if I set 1.2650v for the cpu I get 1.29v bios and 1.31v SG. Vtt, 1.26v set, 1.29v bios. Anyone having thrown a meter on the board running this bios that confirm or give any insight into this?
I am getting a bit too old to be trying to take measurements on the board with a dmm, as I would between my bad eyes and not so steady hands blow the darn thing up.
Thanks.
Larry
Big Lar
Please see this post I just put up at the club.
http://csd.dficlub.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7645