ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?

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09-29-2008, 09:11 AM
Harsha

Hello all,
I've been following this thread with some interest as my faithful P5K Deluxe has died on me. After having used it normally for the last 2 years or so I let my OS Vista64 go to sleep and when I tried to turn it on/wake it up .....nothing, or at least no screen power-up. Assumed it might just be a glitch, so tried to reboot and no beep or post. The PSU is powering everything, power LED on MB,mouse and keyboard lights, case LED's for HDD's and DVD drive and CPU fan. I'm assuming its the MB so I was looking for a replacement/upgrade without throwing away all my components.

The P45 boards seemed to be the answer, due to the cooler running NB and general love the Maximus II formula was getting in the first 20 to 30 pages or so...but from the last couple of pages or so Grnfinger and CryptiK have voiced their concerns about this board and the shortcomings of the P45 chipset. My question is which board and chipset seems best suited for me based on the fact that I am merely looking to have my system up and running again STABLE as possible. The X48 Rampage was not something I had thought of as a candidate but would make sense to me if that is the best solution. I am not looking for a crossfire solution as I run
an Eizo CG 241W for the photo and video editing I do....(couldn't really afford 2 of those anyway...had to sell several internal organs to get this one.. :shock2: ). Any advice would be appreciated and I hope this was not too long winded.

Harsha
09-29-2008, 09:51 AM
d3885u

Is there anyone of you have tried the Final BIOS from Asus Site?
The version is 0901...
I didn't have so much time to test this BIOS version coz now I had to go my parent's home...hopefully I can go home soon and test this Final BIOS version...Hopefully this will make us satisfied...
09-29-2008, 10:24 AM
GeorgeVasil

Quote:

Originally Posted by d3885u

Is there anyone of you have tried the Final BIOS from Asus Site?
The version is 0901...
I didn't have so much time to test this BIOS version coz now I had to go my parent's home...hopefully I can go home soon and test this Final BIOS version...Hopefully this will make us satisfied...

The newest BIOS is 1307.;)
09-29-2008, 10:49 AM
d3885u

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeorgeVasil

The newest BIOS is 1307.;)

UUppsss...Sorry...my mistake...coz I get it from my friend...from hongkong site...yes the newest is still 1307...:p:
09-29-2008, 12:24 PM
radaja

just an update . it looks like now that i figured out i need lower than normal vfsb and vnb , im now able to raise my fsb and get somewhat stable. before it would just bsod.this is w/ memory still running 5/6 1081.http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/q...newstable1.jpg
09-29-2008, 04:40 PM
screwtech02

After much reading, multiplying, dividing, and generally coming to the conclusion that my math skills are for CRAP, i am asking for help....

What do i need to set my GTL voltages to??

Current settings are as follows...

Runnin 477fsb

333 strap

CPU Vcore 1.5125 bios, 1.49/50 in windows

VTT CPU 1.3

CPU PLL 1.58

NB 1.42

FSB Term V 1.312

I have a Q6600, and am running 8gb of Gskill 1000 mem....

I hate math...........:mad:

When runnin Mark 03, it will reboot just after the first CPU test....
09-29-2008, 05:10 PM
CryptiK

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooter.jay

I have tested with other ram now so i can only think its the board. Thanks for all the help CryptiK. I have left the Ket modded bios on after packing it away i realised so should i flash back to official bios before return to avoid any problems?

I would actually flash back to an Asus bios just to be sure they don't say you voided warranty by using a modded bios. Good luck hope you get a replacement soon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harsha

Hello all,
I've been following this thread with some interest as my faithful P5K Deluxe has died on me. After having used it normally for the last 2 years or so I let my OS Vista64 go to sleep and when I tried to turn it on/wake it up .....nothing, or at least no screen power-up. Assumed it might just be a glitch, so tried to reboot and no beep or post. The PSU is powering everything, power LED on MB,mouse and keyboard lights, case LED's for HDD's and DVD drive and CPU fan. I'm assuming its the MB so I was looking for a replacement/upgrade without throwing away all my components.

The P45 boards seemed to be the answer, due to the cooler running NB and general love the Maximus II formula was getting in the first 20 to 30 pages or so...but from the last couple of pages or so Grnfinger and CryptiK have voiced their concerns about this board and the shortcomings of the P45 chipset. My question is which board and chipset seems best suited for me based on the fact that I am merely looking to have my system up and running again STABLE as possible. The X48 Rampage was not something I had thought of as a candidate but would make sense to me if that is the best solution. I am not looking for a crossfire solution as I run
an Eizo CG 241W for the photo and video editing I do....(couldn't really afford 2 of those anyway...had to sell several internal organs to get this one.. :shock2: ). Any advice would be appreciated and I hope this was not too long winded.

Harsha

Sure it's not your PSU? If you have access to another one test it before you buy a new board. I think the P45 chipset is a perfectly fine mid range solution, sure it may not have quite the clock for clock performance of the X48 which is the only other logical choice (no one is going to buy an X38 or P35 new anyway now they're too old).

Look at the brief testing I did here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=203040

and see if you're happy with the performance. I am satisfied, and think the only thing better right now is the Rampage Formula, which I just don't need. I think the performance differences are really only evident in benches like everest, I doubt you could tell the difference in real world situations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by d3885u

Is there anyone of you have tried the Final BIOS from Asus Site?
The version is 0901...
I didn't have so much time to test this BIOS version coz now I had to go my parent's home...hopefully I can go home soon and test this Final BIOS version...Hopefully this will make us satisfied...

I've been on 1307 for awhile now, it's very stable and I have had no problems so far.

Quote:

Originally Posted by radaja

just an update . it looks like now that i figured out i need lower than normal vfsb and vnb , im now able to raise my fsb and get somewhat stable. before it would just bsod.this is w/ memory still running 5/6 1081.

Good that you found the sweet spot. I'd advise you also use intel burn test to test stability. I can pass orthos for hours but fail burn tests at 4050 MHz.

Quote:

Originally Posted by screwtech02

After much reading, multiplying, dividing, and generally coming to the conclusion that my math skills are for CRAP, i am asking for help....

What do i need to set my GTL voltages to??

Current settings are as follows...

Runnin 477fsb

333 strap

CPU Vcore 1.5125 bios, 1.49/50 in windows

VTT CPU 1.3

CPU PLL 1.58

NB 1.42

FSB Term V 1.312

I have a Q6600, and am running 8gb of Gskill 1000 mem....

I hate math...........:mad:

When runnin Mark 03, it will reboot just after the first CPU test....

Leave the 0.635x multi's on auto, and set -50mv on each of the 0.667x multi's.

If that doesn't work for you, set -10mv on each of the 0.635x multi's and -60mv on each of the 0.667x multi's.

If that is worse, try +50mv on the 0.635x multi's and leave the 0.667x multi's as they are.

Let me know what happens and what works best. You may be past the max stable CPU speed so they may not give you stability.
09-29-2008, 05:15 PM
screwtech02

Ok, so which ones are which???

Norhtbridge=?

4 CPU GTL's=?

Any others i need to worry about??

Thanks BTW......:up:
09-29-2008, 05:22 PM
radaja

@cryptik when i run ibt my cores get too hot,too fast!!(73-74) i think this processor is a hothead.how about prime95.
09-29-2008, 05:26 PM
CryptiK

Quote:

Originally Posted by screwtech02

Ok, so which ones are which???

Norhtbridge=?

4 CPU GTL's=?

Any others i need to worry about??

Thanks BTW......:up:

No problem. I leave NB GTL on auto, I have gained nothing changing it, and I was just talking about the 4 CPU GTL's. When you highlight one up in the the top RH corner of the bios screen it says the default multiplier - it says 0.635x or 0.667x. Just add/subtract what I suggested from each one and give it a go.

Quote:

Originally Posted by radaja

@cryptik when i run ibt my cores get too hot,too fast!!(73-74) i think this processor is a hothead.how about prime95.

What cooling are you on? Prime95 is exactly the same as Orthos. I have found to pass ITB I need one or 2 notches more vcore than I pass Orthos with.

EDIT - sorry you're on a true and hit 70+? I dont go over 60 - 65 depending on ambients. Your contact may be bad or your chip may just be hot.
09-29-2008, 05:30 PM
screwtech02

Cool man, ill give it a go......

I didnt think to look into the highlighted area.....:shakes:

Well, after a bit of playing i setteled on -10 for the .635's, and -50 on the .667's....

Now im TOTALLY stable, and acheived this.....

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=5951366

I'm pretty happy with this board/setup. Seems to be alot more tweekable than my old P5E....

Thank's again CryptiK......
09-29-2008, 08:09 PM
radaja

quick question, does the memory go in the blue slots or the white?
09-29-2008, 08:51 PM
Zucker2k

Blue
09-30-2008, 02:11 AM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooter.jay

I have tested with other ram now so i can only think its the board. Thanks for all the help CryptiK. I have left the Ket modded bios on after packing it away i realised so should i flash back to official bios before return to avoid any problems?

I RMA'd my Maximus X38 with a Rampage bios mod still flashed, No hassles from Asus.
I wouldnt worry to much about it
09-30-2008, 03:34 AM
glauber.herbert

Hi Guys!!!
I really need some help here!!
Yesterday, I was trying to start to overclock my system. I was able to get only 3.4GHZ in the Q9550.
And sometimes, even in this over, I have some troubles to load Vista.
Is there someone here in the forum with Q9550 and Maximus Formula II that can help me?
If somebody post the settings of the BIOS ( actually 1307 in mine ), I will be grateful!!! :)

Gl@uber
09-30-2008, 04:08 AM
CryptiK

Grnfinger does, check some of his posts, he gives some settings to try throughout the thread. That should get you started.
09-30-2008, 04:47 AM
CryptiK

Sorry for the double post, but to address doubts that this board can't do 500+ FSB stable, here's a Dual SPI 32M bench at 534 FSB. I can also run orthos at this FSB without an issue.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...5-5-12PL10.jpg
09-30-2008, 05:13 AM
glauber.herbert

CryptiK,
Thanks a lot!!
I get some bios config´s and try out today!!!
I have only one more question...
I have the Q9550 ( E0 review ) in air colling, and read in some posts that it´s not safe to put anything above 1.3625V, is it right?

Gl@uber
09-30-2008, 06:04 AM
Harsha

Thanks for the reply CrypiK, I'm on the other side of the world in Tokyo Japan so I have to deal with US $80-100 more for the Maximus II formula with no RMA policy. They pretty much have you by the "short and curlys" even though Akihabara is pretty good with actually having things in stock.

I was wondering about your comment of the PSU: is it possible for it to go down partially ? It does supply power to the board as I said ( I have a green LED on the MB to say power is getting through) HDD's and fans spin up but the lack of postal beep and no power to the screen seems to be conflicting.
09-30-2008, 06:30 AM
CryptiK

Quote:

Originally Posted by glauber.herbert

CryptiK,
Thanks a lot!!
I get some bios config´s and try out today!!!
I have only one more question...
I have the Q9550 ( E0 review ) in air colling, and read in some posts that it´s not safe to put anything above 1.3625V, is it right?

Gl@uber

Intel states that the maximum safe vcore is 1.3625v, and anything over that may damage the cpu, either very slowly (ie: decrease it's life span from ~10 years by a few years) or perhaps more rapidly. There is no real way to tell what will happen with voltages above 1.3625v. I'd see what your cpu can do keeping it under that at least to begin with. Keep your vPLL under 1.6v, and your Vtt (vFSB) under 1.26v too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harsha

Thanks for the reply CrypiK, I'm on the other side of the world in Tokyo Japan so I have to deal with US $80-100 more for the Maximus II formula with no RMA policy. They pretty much have you by the "short and curlys" even though Akihabara is pretty good with actually having things in stock.

I was wondering about your comment of the PSU: is it possible for it to go down partially ? It does supply power to the board as I said ( I have a green LED on the MB to say power is getting through) HDD's and fans spin up but the lack of postal beep and no power to the screen seems to be conflicting.

You can't RMA directly to Asus? I would have thought you could regardless of the policy of the place you bought it from.

From that description it does seem like the board may have died, but if you can you should check the ram/PSU/video card before you get another board, but if you can't, it's a good excuse to upgrade. If the board is less than 3 years old, you may even be able to RMA it directly to Asus as well. It would be worth contacting them and asking.
09-30-2008, 06:41 AM
Shiranui Gen-An

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harsha

Thanks for the reply CrypiK, I'm on the other side of the world in Tokyo Japan so I have to deal with US $80-100 more for the Maximus II formula with no RMA policy. They pretty much have you by the "short and curlys" even though Akihabara is pretty good with actually having things in stock.

Wow, to have access to Akiba and all the crazy electronics/PC/otaku shops :mad:
09-30-2008, 07:16 AM
d3885u

Could you show me your BIOS setting to achive stability at 534 FSB Cryptik?
I abseloutly had a very big trouble with this kind of 4gb kit of RAM...
I tested with Team Xtreem Dark 4GB Kit...and the result is very2 dissapointing...
it's very difficult to find a stable setting for 4gb of RAM...
I just could find stable setting at 450 FSB and 1080 RAM...
If I go with 1:1 ratio FSB : DRAM...I couldn't make this system stable anymore...
09-30-2008, 07:36 AM
CryptiK

7.5x multi
534 FSB
1070 ram (1:1 on 333 strap)
1.35v vNB
PL 10

Anything else in particular you want to know?

4GB of ram will take up to 0.1v more vNB to get stable compared to 2GB ram at the same FSB/ram speed. It's a lot harder on the MCH.
09-30-2008, 07:46 AM
Gambit_2K

Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptiK

7.5x multi
534 FSB
1070 ram (1:1 on 333 strap)
1.35v vNB
PL 10

Anything else in particular you want to know?

4GB of ram will take up to 0.1v more vNB to get stable compared to 2GB ram at the same FSB/ram speed. It's a lot harder on the MCH.

What's better overclockingwise? 4x1GB or 2x2GB? Im thinking of retiering my 4 ballistix tracer sticks and buying a 2x2GB mushkin PC8500 kit instead.
09-30-2008, 07:58 AM
CryptiK

Depends on what the 2 x 2GB kit can do. If you had 4 x 1GB of micron ram, you could hit 1200 MHz stable. Most 2 x 2GB kits wont do that, however if you got the G.Skill 9600PI kit, they will do 1200+. Until the 9600 PI kit comes down in price, I'll stick with my micron kits.

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