Anyone having problems with USB legacy enabled in BIOS and running memtest?
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Anyone having problems with USB legacy enabled in BIOS and running memtest?
Ok my first post after reading this thread for a long time ^^ Underneath I posted a screenie of 4ghz of my E8400 EO.
http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/...581396-640.jpg
What is that a picture of on your desktop? I want it on mine lol. Where did you get it?
Using the 2 black slots will work fine, and it will still operate in dual channel mode. However it may not overclock quite as well, as Asus recommend using the yellow slots for best overclocking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Runkett
No problems with Legacy here and Memtest but, I have it set to auto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melhisedek
Larry
I created it myself and the girls are the Korean girl-group "Wonder Girls" =)Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by An1mA
LOL I was wondering if he had created it. They look good from the waste down that is for sure :p: .Quote:
Originally Posted by carepolice
Woohoo, with some tweaking i managed to get my system stable with extra DRAM Read Training enabled and Ai Clock Twister set to Stronger.
Running the RAM at 2.0 volts. Haven't tested yet but who cares, it has to improve something lol
Ok here is the deal, each stick of RAM I have can complete 2 passes of memtest (1½ hour) at 520 FSB and 6 multi. No errors. As soon as I put 2 sticks I can't even boot at 6x500. Memtest freezes before it even starts. This is with NB Volt 1.4 even.
So am I forgetting some settings or is my mobo faulty? It errors out in memtest at 8.5x475 after about half an hour like I tested earlier this morning. I thought it was memory but it isn't.
So what do I do?
Thank you for your time!
I've been trying to isolate the problem for quite some time yesterday. Like I said before either stick will pass all memtests at 520 FSB. Put 2 sticks in and you have trouble. I tried to see if it is the memory, so I ran 1:1 with FSB at 400 (multi was 6) and divider so memory was run at 500. No problems there. Memory is rock stable for hours of memtest and windows testing (Prime95 blend and large FFT)
After that I left everything as you see down, most of the stuff at auto, stock voltages. Rig sometimes wont even post at 415x6. I can't help but thing something is faulty here :( Sadly I don't know anyone with similar setup so I can't test my stuff, can only do some more testing.
But if rig can't do 6x415 MHz something must be wrong :shakes:
Code:ASUS P5Q DLX Template :
JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 6
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 400
FSB Frequency: 415
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-830
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: AUTO
Not really sure about these down from here but everything is at auto
1st Information :
CAS# Latency: AUTO
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: AUTO
DRAM RAS# Precharge: AUTO
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: AUTO
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: AUTO
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO
2nd Information :
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO
3rd Information :
WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: AUTO
Common Performance Level [5]
Pull-In of CHA PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH4: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH4: DISABLED
Not sure about above
CPU Voltage: 1.25x
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: AUTO
FSB Termination Voltage: AUTO
DRAM Voltage: AUTO
NB Voltage: AUTO (tried from auto than from 1.1 up to 1.26 no go)
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO
Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : auto
NB Clock Skew : auto
Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 6
CPU VID: Default (don't have this one)
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
Is 1406 good for the Q6600's or is it more of the samething ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jVIDIA
Me and I think Larry noticed a bug with the Q6600s because it will only show half of the pull ins here and there?? Besides that I noticed no difference IMO.
Here is the funny thing, I'm testing and upping FSB now, and have all the volts at minimum. Testing is going great. Last night I tested 490 FSB (6 multi) and it was stable for a couple of hours... but... when I restart I only get fans spinning. Comp wont even post... And I have to reset BIOS and do all the settings over again, test stability in Windows no probs, than I reboot and same thing again. What could be the problem? I tried 2 different BIOS-es as I thought it might be BIOS issue but still the same thing happens.
Any ideas?
sometimes memtest86 fails to load.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melhisedek
no big deal tho, just reset and try again.
havent been much around lately to check this thread up actively like i did in the past, I am still on 1206 or 12xx it was, I am using a Q6600 on it, is there any other bios over 12xx suggested?
Ram problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melhisedek
Is it a pain to remove the heatsinks on this board? Does Asus just use thermal paste or an adhesive?
It's easy to remove it and I recomend it. I replaced the default paste by Artic Silver, removed the caps and placed some 40mm fans. Here some pics:Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/434/dsc00669gr9.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3558/dsc00678md6.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1781/dsc00680vy1.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4144/dsc00683wx9.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/2192/dsc00681ol8.jpg
Nice, thats good to hear. How did you pull off that asus logo on the northbridge heatsink? I have a couple of 40mm fans that I want to throw on there, myself. Thanks for the pics. :up:
i dont know why my cpu need high voltage to boot in windows, its so hot... because if i lower vcpu to 1.45v, it doesnt stable in windows (random reboot)Quote:
I have a Q6600 VID 1.3250v
4x1gb Crucial Tracer Red DDR-800 (2.2v 4 4-4-12 2T)
CPU Cooler TRUE 120 eXtreme
Ai Overclock Tuner ................. [Manual]
CPU Ratio Setting .................. [8]
FSB Frequency ...................... [425]
PCIE Frequency ..................... [101]
FSB Strap to North Bridge .......... [Auto]
DRAM Frequency ..................... [1020]
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel A1 ...... [Auto]
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel A2 ...... [Auto]
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel B1 ...... [Auto]
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel B2 ...... [Auto]
DRAM Timing Control ................ [Manual] (5 5-5-15)
DRAM Static Read Control ........... [Disabled]
DRAM Read Training ................. [Disabled]
MEM. OC Charger .................... [Enabled]
Ai Clock Twister ................... [Strong]
Ai Transaction Booster ............. [Manual] (09-All Disabled)
____________________________________
CPU Voltage ........................ [1.4750]
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2) .... [0.630]
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3) .... [0.670]
CPU PLL Voltage .................... [1.50]
vFSB.................................[1.3]
DRAM Voltage ....................... [1.9]
NB Voltage ......................... [1.4]
NB GTL Reference ................... [0.610]
SB Voltage ......................... [1.10]
PCIE Voltage ....................... [1.50]
____________________________________
Load-Line Calibration .............. [Enabled]
CPU Spread Spectrum ................ [Disabled]
PCIE Spread Spectrum ............... [Disabled]
CPU Clock Skew ..................... [Auto]
NB Clock Skew ...................... [Auto]
CPU Margin Enhancement ............. [Optimized Mode]
at 1.4750v, my pc is stable with games, 3dmark06 but it not stable with prime95 because cpu's temp is very high (over 80oC)
can u show me to lower voltage but keeping this speed???
Check IHS of the CPU to see if it's flat, also verify the base of the TRUE plz... otherwise lap them...Quote:
Originally Posted by tien113
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2) .... [0.670]
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3) .... [0.670]
CPU PLL Voltage .................... [1.58]
vFSB.................................[1.3]
See if you can lower the Vcore with these settings (don't expect much of it though) but I think the contact between cooler and CPU is not optimal, and/or you just got a hothead of a CPU...
If you want it to run stable, let alone cooler, you will have to drop the cpu clock to around 3.2GHz so you can lower the voltage. Some Q6600's just dont like running at 3.3GHz+, only very few did 3.4 - 3.6 and fewer still did 3.6GHz +. Try remounting the heatsink though but a quad at 1.475v is going to be very hot no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by tien113
What would be the best bios for an e8400 on this board. I am using 1406 right now and not having the best luck.
Also, which 2gb sticks have been the best performers with this board? Im thinking about picking up these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231209
These Gskills work fine on my board mate at 1130Mhz at 1.94 Bios setting (5-5-5-15-trfc 55 and light)
Gskill 4Gb PC8000PQ kit
http://users.telenet.be/OAP/Qx9650247.JPG
Thats impressive, Thanks. I have my reapers running 1100mhz 5-5-5-15 pl 10 now. Im doing a blend test to see if it stable. Im hoping to be able to drop the PL to 8. I dont know if thats going to happen. My latencey in everest is 60, I would like to see that a bit lower as well.
The one problem with this board is that one retarded sata port thats blocked by my video card. I am using the orange SATA port for my OS disk and am taking a hit in performance. Could I use my DVD drive on the orange port? I wouldnt mind that being a little slower.
Orange port works for DVD-drive just fine
loss in performance,after 480 fsb 480x10 E8600
there are some that have taken strap test,whit 45CHIP ?
has lowered,the mulitp.. to 8x500 to work myself out of it again,I will slowly go against the 4.8GHZ again.
so I can see how hollow ends,an see the performance,travel again.
I have been doing some testing on my Maximus II Formula (very similar to the P5Q-Deluxe) with Static Read Control & Dram Read Training enabled, and Clock Twister on Strong or Stronger. With Clock Twister set to strong/stronger it takes quite a bit of vNB to stabilize it, I was around 1.37 - 1.45 vNB for the various tests.
The use of SRC & DRT and setting strong or stronger gives a definite boost to bandwidth across the board and reduces latency significantly. At 534 FSB 5:6 Divider I had to drop CT to Strong, as even with 1.49 vNB I could not get into windows. Also notice the latency is almost identical between 500 FSB 5:6 CT Stronger and 534 FSB 5:6 CT Strong.
It appears that Clock Twister lowers latency significantly and has a noticeable but not large effect on bandwidth, and tRD (PL) has a great effect on bandwidth and a moderate effect on latency.
OK anyone using the 266 strap, consider this. I was at:
1112 MHz ram
5-5-5-12-3-30-6-3 @ 2.00v
PL8
266 strap
static read and dram read training disabled
Clock twister on moderate
vNB 1.27
I was pulling ~9500MB/s & 54.5ns in everest
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...13266strap.jpg
I now have changed this to:
1069MHz ram (1068 real)
5-5-4-12-2-25-4-2 @ 1.94v
PL8
333 strap
static read and dram read training enabled
Clock twister on stronger
vNB 1.30v **Using Clock Twister 'stronger' at this setting needs 1.30 vNB (compared to 1.27v) for stability due to aggressive chipset timings, I stopped dual windows memtest at 1500% coverage, which I consider to be stable. I can pass Orthos small and large FFT's and Linpack as well.
and I get 60mb/s lower read bandwidth, the same write & higher copy bandwidth and 53.9 ns latency.
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...68333strap.jpg
Here is some further testing, notice the performance increase from using the more aggressive chipset timings. I highly recommend using Clock Twister 'Stronger', and enabling Static Read Control and Dram Read Training, as the bandwidth increase and drop in latency is remarkable, although still not as efficient as the P35/X38/X48 chipsets.
450 FSB 3:4 Divider, PL8, SRC & DRT Enabled, CT Stronger:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...enabledCTS.jpg
450 FSB 3:4 Divider, PL7, SRC & DRT Enabled, CT Stronger:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...enabledCTS.jpg
500 FSB 5:6 Divider, PL8, SRC & DRT Enabled, CT Stronger:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...stronger14.jpg
534 FSB 5:6 Divider, PL8, SRC & DRT Enabled, CT Strong:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...dCTstrong1.jpg
Nice tests CryptiK.
I think 450FSB/PL7 is only doable with MF2, not on the P5Q-D.
I'll check if the Clock Twister on Stronger works with P5Q with raised VNB.
Nice findings Cryptik... I've run them tests too in Everest but I had to go up one PL level or disable SRC to pass eg hyperpi 32mb or linpack ; otherwise I got errors... also stress in your post that this is nice for 2048Mb rams and might/does not work for 4Gb kits (2 x 2Gb)
I'm running this daily with SRC enabled, CT at moderate but PL 9 for stability... NB Voltage at 1.28 then
http://users.telenet.be/OAP/Qx9650247.JPG
All in all your tests prove that P45 is a great chipset, might not be the best ( I still prefer X48 for SuperPi benches) but it's decent value for it's money and that sometimes some values ( especially PL comparison ) are sometimes a bit overrated...
Yes you may have trouble running 4GB and SRC/DRT enabled and Clock twister 'stronger' on higher FSB speeds. However at 445 FSB, 5:6 divider (DDR 1068MHz) I am completely stable with those settings (Orthos, Linpack, memtest) and it is my 24/7 setting.
Ok, more benches. Just compared the P45 to a DFI X48 board in memory bandwidth and latency in everest. The X48 board bench was done by eva2000.
The general settings were 533 FSB, Ram @ 639.6 MHz, CPU @ 3997 MHz
My boards additional settings were:
Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training: Enabled
Clock Twister: Stronger
PL: 8
vNB: 1.45v
vdimm: 2.25v
The X48 had ram set to 5-5-5-9, my p45 had ram set to 5-5-5-15
X48 bench:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...FSB6396MHz.png
P45 Bench:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...edCTstrong.jpg
Comparison Table:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...MHz3997MHz.jpg
Here is SPI32M at my 24/7 settings (SRC & DRT enabled, Clock Twister 'Stronger'). Not bad efficiency for a P45 and conservative ram speed and timings:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...nabledDTSt.jpg
The P45 can be 'coaxed' into producing some pretty decent numbers, but I too prefer the X48, I'm trying to choose a board at the moment, but it's so hard. I think so far I like the board eva used in the comparison above, but the UT/LT models are also good, but struggle to hit the FSB the DK-T2RSB can achieve.
What would you guys use as highest NB Voltage and vFSB with a E8400 E0 chip? Good air cooling
Thats a good question, I've been able to go 8.5 x 470 but thats as high as I can get the fsb with the settings on auto on my P5q Pro. Now I've got it at 9 x 445. I want to know where my fsb and nb voltages are at on auto but I can't find this info anywhere, anybody know where to check?Quote:
Originally Posted by Melhisedek
You'd have to measure at the mosfets with a multimeter, there's not readouts in software.
Do you mean max vNB for benching or 24/7?
24/7 I'd try to keep it under 1.4v
Benching on air, try to keep it under 1.6v
loss in performance,ok I got it? NB volt 1,28v ok up to 460fsb a big jump up 1,5+v to higher fsb
Are you using a translator Martin? It's just hard to understand what you mean. I really want to understand though because you seem like you know what you are talking about. Can you give more complete explanations of what you are experiencing?
get off of auto.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDMadinko
translator yes:doh: sry
I try.
in 3D-mark 01/03/05/06 I found a large performance loss,whit the cpu from 4.6 to 4.8GHZ
has tried to lower multip.. an a higher FSB
got it same score whit 480x10 an 565x8,5 :confused: same volt set,hmm
I test alle voltset,but found out a NB help whit set the NB volt to 1,5Xv over 460x10/541x8,5 an up:)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin.v.r
My board is not happy with anything over 1.4v on the nb. Kind of weird.
i need for 565x10 a vnb of 1,52 without any problems.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sauron_Vie
These boards are,, weird.
Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
oh yes they are :yepp:
current problem: if i am changing anything @ the bios, it is NOT shutting down and restarting... NO, it restarts immediately and when i want to shut down and restart out from Windows THEN it remembers the changing and shut down. :ROTF::rofl:
Sounds like either the board is going crazy or you have a bad flash or the BIOS chip is half bad. Try swapping to the backup chip and see if ti stops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sauron_Vie
got the same idea.. flashed ket´s bios again but it does´t help. @std the shutdown is working without any problems i noticed. it occurs over fsb 540 or so.. but i can can boot with fsb 550 direct into xp :rofl: maybe it depends on some low voltage. have to check this out.. :cool:
Ever since I flashed to 1406 I get an odd problem whenever Vista loads up. The first time the loading bar moves from left to right it stops for about ten seconds. The HD led doesnt blink its almost like True's video except the loading bar stops moving for about 10 seconds. Then the led starts blinking and the bar starts moving and windows loads right up. Windows has never failed to load up on me but it does take longer because of this. I never had this happen before 1406. My drive also seems a little slower than on my Tpower I45 and benches back that up. Its not much but still annoying. Has anyone had this happen? I would report this to Asus tech support but I have had nothing but problems with them. Its not worth the effort and hassle.
Have you tried to replace the TIM on the NB? I had the same problem with a P7N Diamond due to heat. It helped me alot.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
I know this is a vague question but what voltages could cause bios corruption or ruin a bios chip on this board and what is the safe limit for PCIE sata volts and SB volts?
Thanks in advance
Hve you tried the different CME options to see if it stops with a certain setting? Also mine does the whole stopping at a certain point thing to after service pack 1,, and I don't know if this is what you are talking about or not. Mine might not stop as long as yours because I have three drives in Raid 0.. and it might make it a little faster of a stop. I was set to performance but, I kept getting random lock ups while playing Far Cry 2 so, I went to compatible and everything is ok now for me again.. no crashes any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
No, I know that quick pause that your talking about and this is different. I never had this happen befor 1406. It allways happen the first time th bar moves to the right. It stops at the same point every time and its a long 10 second or so pause. Its very odd. The HDD led stops blinking almost like the board stopstalking to the hard drives for a bit. Then the HDD led starts blinking and it starts to load right up. I havent messed with the CME, mostly because I dont know what it is. I think Im using optimized. I dont know. What ever came on the board. I cant find any info on what the h*ll it is. Ill try the different options and see if it makes a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Edit: CME settings made no difference.
That is kind of odd but, the hard drives stopped talking to the cpu with the whole CME Fiasco as well before they supposebly fixed it with their new BIOS revision so.. I find it kind of odd.
Guys, help me out here please.
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9...vbiosstob1.png
I guess the vcore is fine, but what about the 533 fsb and other volts? Is it too high for 24/7? I really have no idea what's safe to use :shrug:Quote:
4250MHz (533x8)
vCore = 1.35000v
CPU GTLs = Auto
CPU PLL = 1.54 (or 1.56, don't remember)
FSB = 1.30v
DRAM = 2.10v (1:1) @ 5-5-5-15
NB = 1.28v
NB GTL = Auto
SB = 1.20
PCIe SATA = 1.60
CPU/NB Skew = Normal
All the rest: Auto
I'm either using this config or 500x8 with a bit less voltages, but with a 533 fsb I can use my mems 1:1.
PLL 1.52v
fsb 1.36v
NB 1.5+v
This is with my wolfdale. Its really odd. Everything else works fine, but its irritating having to wait an extra 30 seconds to boot into windows. Have you had any issues since this new bios update?Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
I wouldnt be worried I run my e8400 at higher voltages than that for 24/7 useage and have been doing so for a while now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viper.Br
Thanks BababooeyHTJ. Now i'll try to find the higher clock it can run stable with 1.40 vcore just to know the potential of it. I'm loving this board and the E8400 ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Interesting issue with my P5Q pro. I can get it to boot to windows and is stable at 500fsb. Anything over that I can run memtest and it will boot thru bios but when I try to boot too windows it crashes.
I had it at 533fsb running memtest just fine but try booting to windows and no go. I know the cpu and ram can handle the fsb upto atleast 540 if not much higher.
Is there anything that is required for the sata ports (which ones to be used), pcie sata voltage, or something similer that allows a high fsb to be used?
Thanks for any input.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Nope besides me having to switch to compatible everything has been fine.
I have a friend that has a Q6600 runing at 1.45v with a tunic tower is there any problems there? is to much voltage?
No that's fine. It would be pretty warm though.
Its not that bad actually its around 40º i can go up to how much vcore without harming the CPU?
I think 1.55 or 1.5? I think it has been awhile. I ran mine at constant 1.45 for my 3.6GHZ 24/7 air cooled with Thermalright extreme cooler when I had my Q6600.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godmyster
Hey People, i just finish to build my pc rig, and my Q9550 e0.
I have seen many wonderfull results, but i am wondering if mine is normal, i need more than 1,36v to prime at 450x8,5, and last owner of the same processor could do it with 1,22, i bought it from Pcc2iminal,
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8215/imagem1sc5.jpg. i dont know what i am doing wrong.
First i raised the fsb, i went til 470x7 with no problems (tweaking the bios a lot), but i can do prime and intel burn test just ok.
But when i raise the mult, the system get unstable, everything is saying that i need more vcore..., but i know this cpu dont need all this vcore.., my temps is ok, its a home made water cooler, priming 4ghz@1,4v at 62 full on cores, and 70 full on intelburntest (but it get unstable)...
I cant even boot, 3.87ghz@1,25v.., and i need 1,36v to get it priming.
What can i doing wrong?
Bios i am using is the latest 1406
My settings at 470x8,5:
Mem at 940mhz atm (OCZ 4GB 1066 REAPER)
Static = disable
training = disable
OC Charge = Auto
A.Clock = medium
PLevel = 10
vcore = 1,4v
CPU GTL 0.67 (both)
1.56v PLL
1.28v VTT
1.34v NB
0.64 NB GTL
SB 1.2v
pci-e sata 1.6v
LLC Enable
Cpu and NB Skew Auto.
...
BTW, mine is an L825B434
So Pcc2iminal said it did 4GHz prime stable on 1.22 vcore. What vFSB & vPLL was he using for that, and have you used exactly the same voltages? What board was he using?
He primed 450x8,5 at 1,22v, but i cant get the same with less than 1,37v, 4ghz is my particular clock.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Quote:
His rig was a Biostar :
CPU - Q9550 E0
CPU Cooler - Thermalright TRUE Black
CPU Fan - Ultra Kaze 3000rpm @ 130CFM
RAM - Team 1066
VGA - HD4870X2
PSU - Giga-EZ 1000w
Room temp - 25c
Over-Clocking Navigator - Manual
Intel SpeedStep - Disabled
Ratio CMOS Setting - ×8.5
CPU Frequency Setting : 450
Over Clock Retry Count : 1
FSB(Bsel) To NorthBridge Latch : auto
DDR2 Enhance Mode : enable
************************************************** ***********
DRAM Timing Configuration
DDR2 RCOMP Configuration : Configuration 2
Static tREAD Value : 12
Configure DRAM Timing by SPD : Enabled 5-5-5-15-6-42-5-5-5
************************************************** ***********
Clock Gen Configuration
PCIE Frequency Setting : 100
CPU Clock Skew Control : 200ps
(G)MCH Clock Skew Control : Auto
CPU Clock Driving Control : Auto
************************************************** ***********
Voltage Configuration
CPU Voltage : +0.05v
DDR Voltage : +0.400v
Chipset Voltage : +0.300v
FSB Voltage : +0.1v
CPU Core1 GTL Ref Voltage : 0.63*VTT
CPU Core2 GTL Ref Voltage : 0.63*VTT
MCH GTL Ref Voltage : Auto
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.5v
I cant get in contat for a while with him because he lives in Japan and me on Brasil, (12hours difference), and his wife is giving birth..
Does anyone here have a copy of 0803? I want to give it a shot.
Greetings to the friends of forum. :up:
My first post.
Voltages in auto are really dangerous?
I wanted to keep this over,but I am only obtaining keeping the voltages in "auto".
Somebody using Q6600@500Fsb?? Tips??
Settings:http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5471/overp5qyc0.jpgQuote:
Ai Overclock Tuner ................. [Manual]
CPU Ratio Setting .................. [7]
FSB Frequency ...................... [500]
PCIE Frequency ..................... [100]
FSB Strap to North Bridge .......... [333]
DRAM Frequency ..................... [1000]
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel A1 ...... [Auto]
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel A2 ...... [Auto]
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel B1 ...... [Auto]
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel B2 ...... [Auto]
DRAM Timing Control ................ [Manual] (5 5-5-15)
DRAM Static Read Control ........... [Auto]
DRAM Read Training ................. [Auto]
MEM. OC Charger .................... [Auto]
Ai Clock Twister ................... [Stronger]
Ai Transaction Booster ............. [Auto]
____________________________________
CPU Voltage ........................ [1.38]
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2) .... [Auto]
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3) .... [Auto]
CPU PLL Voltage .................... [Auto]
vFSB.................................[Auto]
DRAM Voltage ....................... [2.00]
NB Voltage ......................... [Auto]
NB GTL Reference ................... [Auto]
SB Voltage ......................... [Auto]
PCIE Voltage ....................... [Auto]
____________________________________
Load-Line Calibration .............. [Enabled]
CPU Spread Spectrum ................ [Auto]
PCIE Spread Spectrum ............... [Auto]
CPU Clock Skew ..................... [Auto]
NB Clock Skew ...................... [Auto]
CPU Margin Enhancement ............. [Optimized Mode]
Thanks!!
I send to you. PM/E-mail?Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Wow that's impressive. My Q6600 never even posted on bios above 489 fsb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amon37
You've got a good chip there Amon :up:
QX9650 C1 on A5Q-dlx, BIOS 1406, TRUE (lapped), fans UltraKaze 2000rpm push, Zalman ZF1225 pull
2x1GB Corsair Dom PC2-8500CS, Win XP-32 Pro SP3
My aim is a 24/7 setup for crunching on WCG (please join me at www.wcgrid.org).
I would like 4.0GHz or even 4.2, with minimum Vcore ... my electricity bills hurt!
Note: This chip is a C1, not C0. (How I wish it was E0)
I'm having great difficulty getting this QX chip to perform - much harder than with my Q9650.
Have tried Leeghoofd's settings from this thread (post #3583), but I need 1.38 Vcore to get as far as the boot menu with those, and it won't boot Windows.
Current setup:
392x10, Strap 333, PCIE 100, DRAM 392MHz (FSB:RAM 1:1), 4-3-3-12 2T other RAM settings Auto, but have used Memset to set PL=8 (7 seems OK, not 6).
Vcore 1.3750 (BIOS), 1.368 (cpuz)
VPLL 1.56, VFSB 1.24, VDRAM 1.98 (RAM specs to 2.1V), VNB 1.26
LLC enabled
CPU Margin: Performance (seems to have no effect)
Spread spectra disabled
C1E Support Disabled
(Leegh: When C1E is enabled, multiplier switches to x6 when idle - this causes me confusion and (?) might trigger a crash)
CPU TM: ENABLED
(Leegh and everybody: This is the Thermal Monitor function which will throttle the CPU if it overheats - I want it ON in case of a cooling failure!)
Other info: I can get CPU clock higher with x10 multi than with x9. Going to x11 makes only a marginal improvement. Increasing Vcore helps but not by much, and not enough to justify the extra power and heat. Severity of instability is less sensitive to speed than I've previously encountered. At this stage, I'm looking for max CPU clock ... I'll bring the RAM (and FSB?) up later.
I just discovered that increasing PLL from 1.54 to 1.56 has improved it so I can run 4xPrime95 for 30min+; with 1.54 1 Prime stopped after 5 min.
How sensitive is performance to VPLL? There's not much headroom between 1.56 and recommended max of 1.60.
Update 1: Just got another "Computation Error" on WCG, so it seems that VPLL=1.56 has not been enough help.
History: After running WCG OK for some days at 395x10, I started getting these errors. Never had this type before. Sample error messages:
Unhandled Exception Detected...
Reason: Access Violation (0xc0000005) at address 0x004C60C3 write attempt to address 0x000045C4
... others: at address 0x00000000 read attempt to address 0x00000000, at address 0x00A0BF6C read attempt to address 0xFFFFFFFF
No "Invalid" jobs. I'm wondering whether it's a chip problem somewhere. Have just popped out 1 mem stick.
Update 2: Mem seems OK. Upped VPLL to 1.58. Stable at 392x10. Boots Win @ 400x10 but 1 Prime of 2 stopped in 30sec. I think this chip is a lemon :down:
Suggestions welcome, will try Leeghoofd's (next post) soon.
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General:
I note Leeghoofd's previous VNE (Voltage-Never-to-be-Exceeded) recommendations for 45nm CPUs:
Vcore 1.40V, VPLL 1.60, VFSB (aka VTT) 1.40, VNB 1.60 (I think for a P35 ... others?)
That should be in a prominent sticky, along with the rest of Leeghoofd's brain.
What about max temps for 24/7? 60 deg C?
(RealTemp seems to give the most appropriate values for 45nm CPUs - I think it just subtracts 10deg C from raw values)
Current temps running 4xWCG are room air + 17deg C = 40C.
Re. FSB:RAM ratios. In another thread, it was suggested that the only ratios other than 1:1 that were worthwhile are 1:1.25 and for DDR3, 1:2. There seems to be a penalty with a non-integer ratio.
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Other machines:
Q9650@467x9,1.31V,FSB1.20, Nautilus 500 H2O, P5K3-dlx - Great CPU!
Athlon64X2 4200+ S939@252x11,1.32V, Zalman9500, A8N5X
Freddy I run now
400 x 10, 266 strap ram at 1002Mhz (4Gb kit), PL 9 and clock twister at moderate... you can also try eg 425FSB with ram at 1066mhz and 9.5 or even 10 multi... Ram timings don't play such a big role on Intel platforms then they do with AMD or Nvidia based rigs... so with ya current speed I would set at 4-4-4-12 or just the stock 5-5-5-15 at 1000mhz and beyond...
CPU Voltage: depends on your cpu I can get away with 1.2562 (LLC enabled)
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.640
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.645
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.2
DRAM Voltage: depends on ya ram, my board overvolts 0.08
NB Voltage: 1.24
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO
I'm happy with that, I can get more (ram)speed with a higher FSB but my CPU heats up then... comparison 400FSB and 450FSB is 8°C difference under load (both for 4ghz and max Vcore 1.3 tested) with 500FSB it's close to 15°C more heat... I settle for 4ghz and a higher multi and wack up FSB for benching or co... CPU will do another year at these speeds and if I need more, I give her some more juice...
I settle for 65°C max under IBT which is about 55°C under prime small FFT's for 24/7 ops... I take Tjcasemax 100°C just for my piece of mind ( even though it's 95°C for our CPU's )
Folder too here mate, good to see some good use of that raw power...
Re; My QX9650 problems ...
Leeghoofd: Thanks for your quick reply to my post above (#4574). You don't seem to have any great inspirations for me tho. I don't expect having to fiddle with VFSB or GTLrefs at 400MHz - my previous Q9450 didn't need VFSB until around 450,
I've copied my "Computation error" messages from WCG website, as this type of error seems to be unusual there and they may suggest a reason to someone here. I'll edit them into my post above, and I think I'll cross-post to the WCG forum here too.
(Your RAM at 1002MHz with FSB 400 is 1:1.25 :) where you had 5:6 before.)
THANKS FOR POST BELOW. Will take a while to try your suggestion, as I'm currently unable to spend too much time on it ... in short term I'll try to find a stable parking spot to run WCG between attempts at improvement.
I suspect it's a dud CPU [ :( ]
(I'll edit here and in post #4574 (2 above) rather than making extra posts, as they lengthen the thread for everyone else to have to read)
Each CPU is different sadly... what works for me might not work for you... just try 400FSB with 9 multi first... try to determine lowest Vcore, FSB , PLL voltage you can use... then work ya way slowly up... leave ram timings and co at AUTO to rule them out...
Start with 400FSB ram at 800Mhz, rest of the ram timings at AUTO
CPU Voltage: 1.3
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.2
DRAM Voltage: 2.0
NB Voltage: 1.2
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO
And try to get 3.6Ghz stable -- then up multi to 9.5 and just add some Vcore if required -- etc.. then start to tweak rams...
I use a few hours Prime small FFT's to determine Vcore... then run Hyperpi 32mb, some OCCT MIX and finally LinX or IBT... if that's stable up the multi... if it's unstable up a bit PLL , test again, then FSB, test,...
excuse me for my english
I have e9450 zalman 9500led , 2*1go ocz reaper 9200 ati 4850(675 997)termalright ,corsair 750tx 2*1to samsung f1 32mo,
I overclock all in auto without voltage cpu 1.325 and voltage ram 2.2v
462 mhz and ram 12:10 578(1156)
my pb is the t° motherboard 45° and too try the good timing for this memory (5 5 5 15 35 ???????)
I put my video card on the pci 2*8 and I won 5° 50 to45° when burning my dd 26° my cpu (core1 70° core2 3 4 68°) my video card 65°
I have a 80mm 9v front my hard disks 2 noctua 12p (black lma) front my motherboard 1 90mm ( 5 v) back case and a 120mm hole on the top of my case.
i think with a good alu case a noctua u12p and colling gfx chilla ( i will win my pci for my card tv)and the good timing going highter
for my memory once time she running 1225mhz without pb i haven't see the timing configuration
if someone have pq5 ( spd-z is not running with p45) and reaper 9200 can me help!
Genish plz back off to manual voltages plz (for PLL, FSB Term and NB voltage) for your CPU and plz improve the cooling of the CPU, the Zalman does not cut an OC'ed quad and best choice is the Thermalright Ultra 120...
Try these plz :
CPU Voltage: 1.325
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.56
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.26
NB Voltage: 1.26
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO
For the rest of your post I dont quite understand it, you want to achieve what plz ? I seem to understand you want to upgrade to a better case : good choice Antec 300 or 900...
I am worry:(
cpu pll v 1.56
fsb 1.26
and nb 1.26
crash occt.
but I see when mother board more 44° is no goog for me
i fink my reaper heat ( hot) too match
i will try to have only 42° when burning
my timing 5 5 5 5 15
refresh cycle time 35
performance level 10
write to precharge delayed 13
write to read delayed 11
actto act delayed 2
read to write delay 7
read to precharge 5
refresh period 4171
command rate 2t
I will test my cpu with a noctua nh-u12p
Which bios are you runnign Genish , either it's 0803 or 1406 there's no in between apparently... try to pm truehighroller (he's a few pages back) he has got the same cpu as you and think he can help you out better than me with your hardware setup
my bios is 1406 (the last)
I have put a 50mm fan to blow over (on) my ocz reaper
and the mother T° down 10° 45° to 35°
I have cpu 468 Hz and ram 10:8 1170 Hz
the pll fsb and nb are always better in AUTO
I try a new test when I evolue to zalman 9500 tu noctua nh U12P
the T° is too much 74° core one
can you say me how I can down the Temp only of the first cpu core is always more 5° of the 2 3 4 core
thank
genish
So guys, nobody you give me a hint of 500Fsb voltages for the Q6600?Quote:
Originally Posted by Amon37
My zalman 9700led is not goooood, but in the coming days I will remove, clean and back to see if improvement ....
Thanks!
I have now overclocked my e8400 to 4.2 and its stable see pic below. But the weird thing is. Before I had 4.0 8 hours prime stable. But it was not 24/7 stable and now I overclock it to even higher and it is really 24/7 stable. Can somebody explain why?
http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/...266883-410.jpg
[QUOTE=An1mA;3403371]I have now overclocked my e8400 to 4.2 and its stable see pic below. But the weird thing is. Before I had 4.0 8 hours prime stable. But it was not 24/7 stable and now I overclock it to even higher and it is really 24/7 stable. Can somebody explain why?
Could you post your settings please, also which board is this. Good looking clock you have there.
When I post in a P5Q Deluxe thread I think I have one too ? xD
Settings
4255MHz (532x8)
vCore = 1.32500v
CPU GTLs = Auto
CPU PLL = 1.58
FSB = 1.28v
DRAM = 2.02v (1:1) @ 5-5-5-15
NB = 1.26v
All the rest: Auto
What is the highest you can go with PLL and FSB Volt using 8400 E0? They add stability to my system but I see most of the people running them pretty low. I'm up to 1.58 on PLL and 1.26 on FSB, if I go higher I can get higher overclocks. What is strange is that higher vcore doesn't help but PLL and FSB do. Perhaps it is only one of them not sure still. In any case :)
Same question, is it ok to up the PLL to 1.62v and FSBv to 1.28 for everyday use? These settings only my e8400 C0 Stepping would be stable @ 450x8.5 (3.825Ghz). Anything lower than that, it would either restart or BSOD.Quote:
What is the highest you can go with PLL and FSB Volt using 8400 E0? They add stability to my system but I see most of the people running them pretty low. I'm up to 1.58 on PLL and 1.26 on FSB, if I go higher I can get higher overclocks. What is strange is that higher vcore doesn't help but PLL and FSB do. Perhaps it is only one of them not sure still. In any case
my vNB is 1.26v.
Thanks for all your help!
I'm trying to get to 500 fsb stable on my P5Q Pro but I'm stumped and in need of some help to steer me in the right direction. I'm running an E8400, CO revision level, with 2 gb Transcend AxeRam DDr2 6400 (D9). I've been able to get the CPU to go 9x445, 8.5x470, and now 8x490 completely stable, generally needing core voltage 1.36-1.376v in CPUz, 1.38-1.40v in BIOS. I've had the ram up to 1117 stable, or even higher, using 5-5-5-15 timings. The best I've been able to get it to do is 940 with 4-4-4-12 timings. I'm using Ket's modded BIOS 1307 for the P5Q Pro.
The problem I'm having is I'm fine at 490x8, but when I crank it up to 500x8 I get blue screens, instant prime blend test failures, and general instability. I have noticed it will pass small ffts for a while though.
I'm especially having a hard time figuring out where to set the FSB and NB voltages because I don't know where the BIOS puts them at when set to AUTO to use as a starting point for reference. Basically its been nothing more than a shot in the dark so far trying to figure out these two settings.
Here are my current BIOS settings, any help would be appreciated.
CPU Ratio: 8.0
FSB Freq: 490
FSB Strap: Auto
PCI-E: 101
DRAM Freq: 981
DRAM Timing: Manual
Timings 5-5-5-15, others AUTO
DRAM Static Read Ctrl: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
Mem OC Charger: Enabled
AI Clock Twister: Moderate
AI Transaction Booster: Manual, PL 10, All Pull ins enabled
CPU Voltage: 1.40
CPU GTL Voltage Ref: Auto
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.56
FSB Termination V: 1.32
DRAM Voltage: 2.20
NB Voltage: 1.34
SB V: Auto
PCIE V: Auto
Hi guys!
Is it ok to up the PLL to 1.62v and FSBv to 1.28 for everyday use? These settings only my e8400 C0 Stepping would be stable @ 450x8.5 (3.825Ghz). Anything lower than that, it would either restart or BSOD.
my vNB is 1.26v.
Thanks for all your help!
Your settings look similar to mine, I can't quote that at the minute as I'm at work but I never got to 500fsb stable, I did however get to 499fsb!! That's prime95 & 3dmark06 looping for 24 hours stable, also the intel burn test too for 50 reps. If I try 500fsb it blue screens as if I'd upped by 20 and not just 1!
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDMadinko
Here are my settings, hope it helps:
E8400 C0 @ 4.1Ghz
4GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500
AI Overclock tuner: MANUAL
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
FSB Frequency: 513
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 1028 MHz
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: MANUAL
1st:
CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO (3)
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 55
Write Recovery Time: AUTO (6)
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO (3)
2nd All Auto (8-3-5-4-6-4-6)
3rd All Auto (14-5-1-6-6)
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: AUTO
CPU Voltage: 1.3125 (actual in Windows = 1.30v)
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.56
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.26
DRAM Voltage: 2.20
NB Voltage: 1.26
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO
Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO
CPU Margin Enhancement: Optimized
It looks like what yours is doing at 500 mine is doing at 490. I have a new set of cellshock ram coming any day now I'm hoping this will give me more options, I'll let you know how it goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by mjh74
Thanks for the help, the thing is my cpu seems to need a lot more voltage than yours, I'm at 1.40 in bios just to get to 4.0 ghz, Im wondering if that also means I need a lot more voltage on the fsb to get the same results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Makubex_GB
Hmmm, I know I got pretty lucky with this CPU, but still 1.4v for 4GHz seems a bit higher than usual. How much of a vdroop are you getting? Do you mean 1.4v in BIOS or real (after vdroop)?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDMadinko
Have you tried lowering the voltage of NB and FSB to around ~1.26? If not, give it a try.
I seem to have same problem I need about 1.39xx in BIOS (it is 1.38x in Windows) to get stable 4Gig. I have tried playing with voltages but no go :( E8400 E0
Wow, and that's with an E0?! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Melhisedek
What temps are you getting?
Is FSB 480 - 500 possible on this Board ( Q9550 ) ?
33-35 idle and about 49-51 load. TRUE cooler + Scythe fan and Antec 1200 case with good airflow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Makubex_GB
It is not RAM as I can memtest it at over 500 FSB for hours with no errors. Small FFTs are also stable, not sure how long... perhaps a few hours at least, but using large FFT (using Prime95) gives me errors after some short time... 10-15 minutes. Highest stable overclock is 480x8.5. Even a MHz higher I get errors in Prime. I guess I'm just not lucky when it comes to overclocking components.
If I try and lower Vcore prime fails almost instantly
Uhm i dont see your problem.... Not every chip is a lollow voltage user + those temps are really great for those volts. Just use volts what you need for you OC.
Problem is that people say these chips shouldn't be run higher than 1.4 :( No matter the temps, or maybe I'm understanding it wrong?
well you shouldn't really run more than 1.3625 vcore according to intel, but many run up to 1.45v, just depends how long you want to keep your cpu. I run my 8400 C0 at 1.336v for 4005 MHz stable, on that vcore I can run either 445 x 9, 500 x 8 or 534 x 7.5 totally stable. Thats using 1.50 vPLL and 1.2 vFSB. Every cpu is different.
Well I'm ok with chip lasting about 2-3 years tops, but am still afraid to run it over 1.4 :( I have asked earlier what are highest NB, PLL and FSB volts you can run on air as well. I would like to try and max them all out and see... If it gives me 150-200 MHz more why not run a little higher than the most
Try a lower FSB with a higher multiplier. It may be an unstable chipset OC and not the CPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melhisedek