Real Temp - New temp program for Intel Core processors

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05-12-2008, 04:20 AM
rge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unrealer

With Tjunction 85

Ambient Temp : 23º

20º @ idle is imposible cause i have 23º of ambient temp................

Correct.

So with Tjmax 85, load temps are now correct, but idle temps are wrong. As Unclewebb has stated in the very first post of this thread and intel has confirmed, idle temps are nonlinear and inaccurate, not until reaching higher load temps are they linear and accurate. That is the part you clearly do not understand.

So two possible ways to fix idle temps.

If you want accurate idle and load temps, read Unclewebb's post above again, and adjust the idle calibration to read above ambient.

Or if you prefer to have accurate idle temps but inaccurate load temps that read 5C too high, change tjmax to 90.

But now you know why intel will not release tjmax figures, look how much confusion it has caused just you.
05-12-2008, 05:01 AM
SiGfever

Quote:

Originally Posted by unclewebb

Thanks SiGfever for your testing.

This doesn't happen in XP 32 bit. When the tray icon is incorrect, is the pop up temp information correct?

I re-wrote the tray icon code and I'm hoping it cures the Vista problems. If not then I guess I'll be looking for a plan B.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...alTempBeta.zip

This is version 2.53. Download and copy RealTemp.exe into your main RealTemp directory.

The program temps seem accurate and change as I do work so I would say yes. I have not put my Raytek on the CPU but as you know emissivity makes it tough to get an accurate reading on a shiny surface. A flat black CPU would be ideal.

I will install the program later, test it, and get back with you.
Thanks again for all your hard work. :up:
05-12-2008, 06:01 AM
unclewebb

Unrealer: Thanks for the data. You're E4300 needs a calibration of +2 on both cores just like my early B2 E6400 needs and many other E4300 processors need. That should bring your idle temperatures up to 27C which is 4C above your room temperature which is what an air cooled core 2 duo processor runs at when at approximately 1600 MHz and 1.10 volts.

Just enter this into your INI file:

Idle0=2
Idle1=2

and you will have accurate temperatures from idle to TjMax. Changing TjMax may fix your idle temperatures but it will screw up your load temperatures and they won't be accurate.

msgclb: Plan B to follow shortly. I'm definitely not asking Vista to use your mail icons! I guess it's doing me a favor of some sort.
05-12-2008, 06:39 AM
clokker

Ok, a bit of a glitch I'm getting.
(running the last beta in Vista x 64, BTW)

When minimized to the system tray, the temps displayed bounce around as expected and hovering the mouse gives me the thumbnail but when running in the notification area the temps don't change at all, remaining static till the app is closed.
Reopening the program will give me a fresh set of numbers but then they stay the same.
In other words, the notification area doesn't seem to refresh.

Is this just me?
05-12-2008, 07:02 AM
unclewebb

clokker: Don't worry, this is not just you! I call this a Vista exclusive feature. :D

I'm using XP and don't have access to Vista so all I can do is try a few more things to get those frozen Vista temps working.
There haven't been any tray issues reported from XP users.

Here is version 2.54 with a few more Vista compatibility changes.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...alTempBeta.zip

Can you confirm what version you are using as displayed in the screen title bar so if I ever do get this fixed I'll know when to stop.
05-12-2008, 07:07 AM
Unrealer

Quote:

Originally Posted by unclewebb

Unrealer: Thanks for the data. You're E4300 needs a calibration of +2 on both cores just like my early B2 E6400 needs and many other E4300 processors need. That should bring your idle temperatures up to 27C which is 4C above your room temperature which is what an air cooled core 2 duo processor runs at when at approximately 1600 MHz and 1.10 volts.

Just enter this into your INI file:

Idle0=2
Idle1=2

Thanks, i changed it and now.... :

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...3/Dibujo-2.png

Ambient temp: 24º

So, i must change something more?
05-12-2008, 07:14 AM
unclewebb

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/1...empidlefj2.png

Just for your info Unrealer. I tested my E6400 - B2 a long time ago in the basement. Room temperature was 12C and uncorrected reported temperature was 9C or 3C less. This is exactly what you get with your E4300. There isn't anyone who would disagree that TjMax=85C for the original B2 series. It's CoreTemp that first decided to go with TjMax=100C for the E4300 and many other programmers blindly followed along. Your thorough testing has finally proven that TjMax=100C is wrong for your E4300.

Make sure there isn't a semi-colon in front of your idle settings in the INI file. Your last screen shot is not using the +2 idle calibration feature:

This won't work:
;Idle0=2
;Idle1=2

This works:
Idle0=2
Idle1=2

Once I get the Vista compatibility issues sorted out I can move on to creating a second screen within RealTemp where users can make adjustments without having to edit the INI file.
05-12-2008, 07:26 AM
Unrealer

Quote:

Originally Posted by unclewebb

This won't work:
;Idle0=2
;Idle1=2

This works:
Idle0=2
Idle1=2

Ok and sorry...

IDLE:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...3/Dibujo-3.png

FULL (47-51º):
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...4/Album3/d.png

Thanks u ;)
05-12-2008, 07:27 AM
clokker

Right then...beta 2.54 is somewhat of a sidestep.
I now just get RealTemp icons in the notification area instead of text (yes, I rebooted).

You've got a PM.
05-12-2008, 07:41 AM
Talonman

My loaded temp's are reading a tad too low...

Can I fix this? :)

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/387/run13wo8.jpg
05-12-2008, 07:48 AM
Talonman

Quote:

Originally Posted by clokker

Ok, a bit of a glitch I'm getting.
(running the last beta in Vista x 64, BTW)

When minimized to the system tray, the temps displayed bounce around as expected and hovering the mouse gives me the thumbnail but when running in the notification area the temps don't change at all, remaining static till the app is closed.
Reopening the program will give me a fresh set of numbers but then they stay the same.
In other words, the notification area doesn't seem to refresh.

Is this just me?

I am running Vista 64 Ultimate with service pack 1 installed.

My main app screen updates just fine, before and after it's been minimised.

If I leave the program minimised to the task bar, the 3 temps I see update too.
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/6773/run14nv2.jpg

If I hover over the minimised program in the task bar, all 4 temps show, and update correctly.
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/338/run15oy4.jpg
05-12-2008, 08:17 AM
Talonman

Just figured out what you were referring to. My bad! ;)

These temps do not update in lower right corner:
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/7494/run16jq5.jpg
05-12-2008, 08:34 AM
unclewebb

Talonman: Now can you try downloading the latest beta version to see if I have fixed this problem yet.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...alTempBeta.zip

Quote:

My loaded temp's are reading a tad too low... Can I fix this?

With RealTemp, almost anything can be fixed. The only question is, why do you want to do this? Do you believe that RealTemp is wrong and those other programs are right? They might be but what proof do you have of their accuracy? I'm not trying to argue but just need users to question all temperature numbers that are being reported to them.

clokker: Thanks for your testing. I guess this proves that the CreateIcon function does not work in Vista the same way that it works in XP. Time for plan C or D or......
05-12-2008, 08:47 AM
Talonman

I will try it now.. ;)

I have no idea who is correct. I just figured that if Everest was wrong, I would have heard about it. Your program may indeed be the best and most accreate CPU temp reader released to date...

This is my first build. Still learning. :p:
05-12-2008, 08:58 AM
Talonman

Done! Looks to be the same. :)

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/882/run17bk1.jpg

Opps.. I should have did the test loaded. Be back soon.
05-12-2008, 09:08 AM
Talonman

Loaded...
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/580/run18gp9.jpg
05-12-2008, 09:19 AM
SiGfever

I tried the new beta and it behaves the same. It does minimize to the taskbar and show the fluctuating temps but the systray remains frozen.
05-12-2008, 10:53 AM
unclewebb

Thanks SiGfever. I'll send you a fresh beta when I learn a little more about this in a day or two.
05-12-2008, 12:26 PM
msgclb

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Quote:

Originally Posted by unclewebb

Unrealer:
msgclb: Plan B to follow shortly. I'm definitely not asking Vista to use your mail icons! I guess it's doing me a favor of some sort.

Real Temp 2.54

StartMinimized=0
TaskBar=0
IconShow=3

Results:
Shows Real Temp icons in Taskbar.

Attachment 78539

StartMinimized=0
TaskBar=1
IconShow=3

Results:
Shows Real Temp icon in Taskbar. Minimize to App with temps.

Attachment 78540

StartMinimized=1
TaskBar=1
IconShow=3

Results:
Shows 2 Real Temp icons in Taskbar and App with temps. Restore to App with version.

Attachment 78541

If I click Restore, I get the form with version. When I click Minimize the 'first' time I get App with temps and 2 Real Temp icons in the Taskbar as the image above. If I click Minimize the 'second' time the App minimizes to 2 Real Temp icons without temps.

Attachment 78542

I hope that I haven't confused me or you to much!

A re-boot didn't change anything.
05-12-2008, 01:47 PM
kpo6969

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talonman

I will try it now.. ;)

I have no idea who is correct. I just figured that if Everest was wrong, I would have heard about it. Your program may indeed be the best and most accreate CPU temp reader released to date...

This is my first build. Still learning. :p:

Regarding Everest:
With the newer beta's you can adjust your TjMax.
See here:

http://www.lavalys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3102

http://www.lavalys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3180
05-12-2008, 02:19 PM
Talonman

Thanks for the info.

I am not sure what the TjMax should be for a Q6600.
05-12-2008, 02:24 PM
SiGfever

@UncleWebb,
YGPM
05-12-2008, 10:10 PM
unclewebb

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talonman

I am not sure what the TjMax should be for a Q6600.

I tested my Q6600 - G0 with a very accurate Fluke IR Thermometer and it said 95C. You can go by that number or 100C which seems to be like an old tale that has been passed along from one generation of processor to another but doesn't really have anything to do with any desktop processors.

Before it became evident that ALL core processors are not accurate at reporting idle temperatures, TjMax=100C was a nice convenient number to cover up this problem.

With the help of W1zzard at TechPowerUp, I have come up with another way to create tray temperature icons.
I'll post a new beta tomorrow so we can begin testing again.

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2376/xptestnx6.png

Place your bets now if you think the Vista mystery has been solved.
05-13-2008, 08:10 AM
mu||et

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2171/tempht1.jpg
05-13-2008, 08:24 AM
jas420221

^^ is there supposed to be something there? I dont see it... ^^

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