Thanks again...
Will try NFM 1.8r3 SD edition later...
Hate to clear CMOS via JUMPER...:)
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Thanks again...
Will try NFM 1.8r3 SD edition later...
Hate to clear CMOS via JUMPER...:)
Hi PURE MCSE,
Don't flash the sandiego edition if you have a Venice core,it was only designed to force 1T on sandiego I don't know how it will effect your venice it may trash your bios or not!
I have allredy tested 1t via lukija's A64 info and it worked ok, no single error.
If the diffrence between 1.8r3 NFM standard edition and 1.8r3 San Diego
edition bios is only 1t/2t, San Diego edition have to work with VENICE
100%.
JUST flashed 1.8r3 SD edition and everything works ok for now.
But there is one anoyng thing, @post bios report memory latency @2T.
When windows loads, when checked A64info report 1T latency.
Memory benchmarks reports olso 1T.
Hi PURE MCSE,
Glad everything turned out ok for you.Mine also reports 2T at post but I can live with that because I get better stabillity from the bios on a whole.Good luck with your overclocking.
man you guys still aint learned that switching over to dfi will get you much higher clocks and WAY better stability..
i switched and have never looked back and went from 2.7-ish max to 2.9-ish max on the same cpu and ram... there is no comparison..
now.....
where is Sideeffect ? i need to see if he has a 754 Neo Platinum modded bios.
seriously though i loved my neo2 but damn it just was day and night when switching to the Ultra-D
Hi Lestat,
At the moment i've not got the money to upgrade but if I did it certainly wouldn't be to DFI, haven't used that crap since socket A when I bought 5 defective boards in a row.I haven't had stability problems with my Neo 2 in over a year and a half, it's never missed a beat and will last me until socket AM2 matures and moves to 65nm process.Some new hardware wouldn't go amiss though as it's always nice to play with something new. Damn I've got to get a Job LOL.
dual core here I come :)
sitll don't know if I should give up on this board, its very stable
Hello to all,
I dont know if the matter im going to put up already have been discused here still to read 1XX pages is some hours work (sorry) .
I have :
AMD64 3200+ E6
OCZ pc4000 VX
Msi neo2 platinum
Audigy 2 platinum
2 x WD sata 120 gigas
XFX 6800 Ultra
OCZ powerstream 420w
My problem is this i can play for example call of duty 2, with no problems, but if i try to install a new game like farcry (original version) or PES5 (backup version) the computer will freeze and reboot, yes i have overclock, still i already tryed in default, have flashed some bios , like sideeffect mooded, the offical ones from MSI and still have this problem.
I just dont know what else to do :( .
Regards
u using satas 3 and 4 if not do :)Quote:
Originally Posted by .neo.
Im using it 3 and 4 yes .
The other day my 6800GT's fan died so I pulled out the card and placed a 5600xt in. It wouldn't boot so I did a bios reset and all was good. How ever the system would not post once I turned on the Second network plug. I'm using Side's bios 1.C and when ever I turn on the network it just sits there forever with the USB thing showing lights 1 and 3 in red.
I've now placed my 6800gt back in with a new fan and I still can't place the lan on. It was working 100% fine before this but :(
Ok..
i have to choose between
- GEIL Ultra X GeIL Ultra X CL2 (2-2-2-5-1) Radiator ( Kit 2 x 512MB ) costs ONLY 166$ (all taxes)
- GeIL One CL1.5 (1.5-2-2-5-1) ONLY 284$ .. Kinda expensive
- Kingston KHX3200AK2/1G (Hyper X 2x512 memory) only 119$
- model from OCZ cost about 240$+ :S
- Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2PT (2 3 3 6) this are ONLY 136$
- Corsair TWINX1024-3200XLPT are ONLY 256$ ...Kinda expensive for my budget
- Corsair TWINX1024-4400C25PT are 256$ too ... grrr
Now with my Kingmax PC3200 setted at 333mhz instead 400mhz i do 2.4Ghz efective with my sytem in signature..
What you guys recommend..the cheapest model from those i mentioned or other models that have the best raport OC/Price for my system..I prefer not to pay 250$ is too much for me..but if it worth so much i will sell my hair from my ass too to buy those:P
A strange problem happen here. I have tested 3 chips ( winnie, san diego and a X2).
I didnt have cold bug using bios 1.8 ,but now i have to use another bois to support dual core, no one worked.
Maybe not a chip problem, but the mb problem....:(
Need some help here, just got done builting another 7025 board, the boot time is really slow, when windows screen comes up it stops for about two mins then it loads the rest of it. I'm running a 3000 venice core, 1gb of pc4000 corsair, bfg 6600 gtoc card, 80gb sata drive, and also new install of xp pro, I have try so many different bios and nothing changes, I do have the sata cable plug into #3 slot and tryed #4 still the same, I don't remember installing the sata drive from the floppy like I did with my other 7025 board, could this cause that problem? I really don't want to start all over again.
thankyou for the help.
coop
have you tried bootvis ? it's a program by Microsoft that can analise your bootup time and can optimise your files for start up.
can also show you a graph of your complete boot with regards to cpu,hdd read/write useage, and can name boot up files.
is quite good .... try a google for bootvis.exe
I will try that, do you know if that sata driver with the floppy could do this.
thks
coop
i don't know about the sata driver. I've never play with them before ! ( hope to later on this year )
all i can say to add is that bootvis is a prog. that works within windows, and is not a dos/ bootable program. :)
hope it helps you.
tryed bootvis, no luck, still hangs at the windows screen, any ideas anybody?
coop
do you have RAID enabled even if you are not using it?
no I don't, does that need to be for sata, my other pc with the same board and hard drive doesn't have it enable either, that one boots just fine.
thks
coop
Anyone tried the 1.D2 beta?
http://www.lejabeach.com/MSIK8N/W7025NMS1D2.zip
http://msi-forum.de/thread.php?posti...f1f#post193881
i can't read german but i think that means it sucks. lolQuote:
Du könntest es auch mal mit dem 1D2 BIOS aus der Mod-Section versuchen.
Hab mich die letzten Tage ziemlich viel mit dem Board und OCen beschäftigt und hatte öfters die gleichen Ergebnisse, sobald ich den FSB auf über 250 anheben wollte! (Win kackt einfach ab un rebootet)
Das 1D2 war bisher das Einzige, mit dem sich das Board stabil auf 255 betreiben lies. (Test läuft noch)
Allerdings ist mein Sys damit nicht mehr Prime-stable!http://msi-forum.de/msi_images/smilies/frown.gif
edit:
basic translation
hmm... seems like he couldn't do over 250htt on any bios (windows reboot itself), but with 1d2, 255htt = OK but it wasn't prime stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by google translater
I'll go test it out and report back to you guys...
ok. on 1.D2 now.
things i've observed
- takes ages to boot (about twice as long to get to winXP loading screen compared to 1.8, 1.C3, or 1.D1)
- can only adjust TCL, TRCD, TRD, TRAS and command rate in memory options
- stupidly loose timings (TRC = 12, TRFC = 24, TRTW=4)
- can boot at faster memory speeds, but still not any more stable (max primeable mem speeds = same as other bioses). I assume this is because of stupidly loose memory timings.
I'd say don't bother yet... Im going to try and tweak the timings thru A64 tweaker and see if its any better.
The memory timings are still in 1.D2 they are just hidden. You can make them show by using Shift F2 or Alt F2 something like that.
1.D2 has been out a while now and havnt heard anything that good about it.
i tryed all combinations of shift, alt, ctrl, f1 and f2 and couldn't get them to show up. ah well... back to 1.C3 :D
my bios is fried i think. Flashed back to 1.C3, after about half an hour, k/b stopped working, then rebooted and it hasn't booted since. PUlled out the battery and had the CMOS clearing overnight and no go. Either A) CPU is dead (unlikely), B) motherboard is rooted (hardware), C) bios is corrupt. GOing to try and get a new bios chip preflashed...
Yes TMM the 1.D bios is flakey at best. My bios also corrupted after a crash. Wouldnt even boot anything after. I had to switch chips to another chip that is also broken but has a working boot block then switch back and hotflash.
I wish all motherboards had dual bios like Gigabyte. I think 1.C3 is the best of the newer bios files for stability and it doesnt seem to fully corrupt like others have but still does glitch from time to time at high overclocks.
Im sure all bios versions are fine at stock speeds.
Yep. Tested everything in another motherboard and CPU, RAM and ,gfx card work. Its for sure the bios, but i'm setting aside the Neo2 for a bit and selling my 6800GT. Going to a pci-e setup, just for something new and interesting :P (DFI NF4 Ultra-D and 7600GT :)). After i've sorted everything out again i'll be sure to get the neo2 going again to build up a second rig :D
What would be best bios for a dual core chip (dunno if opteron or x2 yet) and pc4400 tccd@2.5-3-3-7? I also require the use of a promise ata133 pci card, which many bios past 1.8 have not played nice with. Getting my nvlan working again after one of the bios fried its mac address would be great as well. Currently on 1.8 rev3 by nfm, thank you!
Sideeffects 1.C3 TCCD would have been the best, but since you're limited to 1.8, NFMs 1.8 is really the best you can get. btw, you can manually change the nvMAC address the bios uses by using a certain switch while flashing (forget the details, just use the /? switch for more info i.e. "awfl833d.exe /?"). iirc, the orginal mac address in on a sticker somewhere, i think its on the parallel port.
limited to 1.8? is that because of the promise pci controller?? I thought I would need newer than 1.8 to support dual core? Also, i tried flashing with the switch to re-apply the mac, found on the website where nfm/se's bioses are hosted. it took the command fine, and the mac is detected with ipconfig, however the lan port still doesnt work. Think it fried soemthing :( Lets assume I can just keep using the gigabit lan (stupid thing likes to die if i use it too much tho) and I dump the promise controller, would 1.c3 tccd still be my best bet? My tccd doesnt like weak drive strength oddly, and it loves juice (2.85v nets the best results, steadily dropping down to 2.65 where i stopped going lower as results kept dwindling) Thanks.
I'm pretty sure DualCore is a-ok with 1.8 and above. 1.9 and above have problems booting off pci cards, but you could try one of the more recent ones (e.g. 1.C3 or 1.D1)
I am running a AMD 64 3200+ Venice with an XP-90 and silentcat fan (yeah the cat is going soon) at stock speeds and voltages. Now I want to over clock but can not seem to get accurate temps off different monitors. Any advise? Is this commen?
My BIOS reports 36c for the CPU temp in a 26c environment with plenty of ventilation idle.
MBM5 reports 40c (as bast as I can tell)
Fan Speed reports 38-42c (as bast as I can tell)
Now both MBM and FS just name the sensor''s with a language I do not understand. The 3 sensors report 40ish 32ish and 155ish. I have no clue what 155c is but assume 40c is the CPU and 32c is the case.
1.8 doesnt support Dual core so your kind of stuck. Do you really need an ide controller anyway? The motherboard has room for 4 drives + 2 satas will work even at overclock. Thats 6 drives. I bought myself ide - sata converters for my older hard drives to free up IDE space and they work brilliantly. No performance loss.
You can buy them for a few pounds as well.
Sideeffect, or another kind soul....I spent an hour reading this one thread, and have not yet found a list of complete settings and best BIOS to use for a SAFE BIOS setup....maybe with a little OC'ing for games like HL2/BF2.
I have had my K8N Neo2 Plat for 18 months with original A64 3500+, with stock air cooler, and OCZ matched pair Gold Rev2 500 x2.
I'm using the MSI 1.B Bios that MSI has on their site, and don't know if there is a better one to use. There are so many of the BIOS settings in the Cell section that I don't understand, it would be great if there was a more complete list of how to set them up.
I also have a XConnect 500W PSU, Audigy 2 X-Fi Fatality, ATI X800 XT PE, and 2 ATA Seagate Barracuda 160 GB drives. Running XP Pro. I am pretty much using default settings except these changes:
Advanced Chipset
AGP Aperture 256M
Fast Writes-Disabled
Integrated Peripherals
AC97 Controller Disabled
MAC Lan Auto
Onboard 1394 Enabled
Onboard LAN Controller Enabled (I have both Cable and DSL, so use both if one goes out)
IDE Devices Config all enabled except I disabled the 4 SATA items
RAID Config Disabled
I/0 Device Config FDC & Parallel Disabled
PnP/PCI Config
Primary Graphics Adapter AGP
Resources Controlled by Auto (ESCD)
Cell Menu
Current CPU Clock 2211 MHz (grayed out)
Current DDR Clock 400 MHz (grayed out)
DRAM Config
Timing Mode AutoHigh Performance Mode Optimzed
(Timings grayed out)
Bottom of 32-bit[31:24] IO [D0]
1T/2T Mem Timing [2T]
S/W memory hole Remapping Disabled
Aggessive Timing Disabled
Dynamic OC'ing Sergeant
Clock Spread Spectrum Disabled
HT Frequency 4x
Cool n Quiet Disable
Adjust CPU Ratio Startup
Adjust CPU FSB Frequency 200
Adjust AGP Frequency 66
Adjust CPU VID Startup
CPU Voltage By CPU VID
Memory Voltage Auto
AGP Voltage 1.50 V
I OC'd my older rig using a Koolance water cooling tower with Asus A7N8X with Athlon 2700, but just never had the time to follow all the recommendations for this air cooled Neo2 A-64 3500+, so was hoping to get a shortcut guideline from the experts in this thread.
I sure appreciate any help you can give me!
Apologize, I've been digging through this thread I'm still missing something.
I'm sure this is a lame question.
I'm running Sideffects 1CB3 bios and can't figure out how to increase memory clock above 200Mhz? Memory speed choices don't go above 200 in the Memory clock section and I don't see an obvious ratio or multiplier option for memory clock. Just changing CPU clock doesn't adjust the memory clock.
Can someone help a blind man here?
Thanks
The RAM speed scales with the HTT speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Signal64
With the proposed price drops what CPUs does this board run? I see people with dual cores in the search but MSI only reports a few of them. Do it violate the warranty installing a non-supported CPU?
Will this run an X2?
It will run :-Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepy Samurai
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/produc...UID=650&kind=1
All of them ;)
Darn, I was hoping someone could help me know how to choose the best BIOS and settings in my post above. Any help would really be appreciated.
Mike:
i use 1.C3
Cell menu settings:
270mhz fsb
4x ht multiplier
Cpu voltage 1.550v+5% overvid
Memory latency: 2.4.4.8 with 1T
Memory divider at 166mhz and real memory frequecy is 220mhz
CnC disable completly.
Memory voltage default
Agp voltage default.
This is my OC settings for my system in signature.
DRAXX: 280 is your max stable FSB with those OCZ? Is that 1:1 ?
Hell no, I can't fit the OCZ booster in due to the XP90-C, so the max I can run is 2.9v which is no way near enough to even get 205Mhz windows stable. I use the 133 divider to get the RAM at 180Mhz 2-2-2-10-1T with all other timings super tight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Losphoron
Even the 150 divider which sets the RAM at 210Mhz will not be windows stable :(
The HTT will goto 315Mhz ish, but not done enough testing to be 100% sure.
Losphoron, thanks for the reply. I'm not sure when I look at SideEffect's list of BIOS versions which one would work best for my CPU and OCZ which is rated to run at 2-2-2-5
It seems that your timings are pretty high to use the A-64's capabilities....maybe your RAM has that limit? I'm about to flash with S.E.'s 1C BIOS. Still not sure of all the settings, like should I choose 256 for AGP Aperature with my card, and tighter timings?
IPCONFIG /release does not work with vista unless you disable these features
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&postcount=29
thanks lestat:) .
Ubuntu/linux=
sudo dhclient -r eth0
sudo dhclient eth0
Instead of posting a new thread and if someone uses the search button under ipconfig /release it will be here. -- This will be very helpful to dsl/cable users with no router who serf or crunch one pc at a time.
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/pike444/OC1.jpg
Well I got it to load after flashing with default BIOS, but anything I tried to adjust in BIOS to bump up settings even a little bit over the default 2210 MHz would not let me startup on reboot. Obviously, there's some setting I'm not doing right. It would be so great if someone could list all the changes I should make over default.
Any other ideas and suggestions would be great.
Mike - are you saying you cant even get 205MHz HTT?
All the ways I tried to put any adjustments beyond SE's default settings, even just a little bump up (like 10x225) would not post on reboot. I know I have the older NewCastle higher voltage core, but again I'm not sure what settings to put to have the best chance. Maybe I'm not using the right voltage, or don't know the right timings from the BIOS. I know this is a decent matched pair RAM that normally runs at 2-2-2-5, so I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. MY BIOS temps when I look are always 34-39C....so my Arctic Silver seems to still be working even with this stock air cooler.
I think your timings are too tight.I have Kingmax sticks.Those are not high end.I tested the performance in Sisoft sandra and the best settings Timings vs 1T is using 1T.The diference betweeen 2.4.4.8 and 2.3.3.6 (the lowest in PC3200 standard and default settings for 2T) is about 150-200MB/s at bandwidht tests and with 1T vs 2T is 1000MB/s so i prefer staying with 1T.I will not go down more than 166mhzx2 (333mhz) divider at memory.Anyone in real gaming the diference is 1fps or 2 with those timings like 2.3.3.6.
Offtopic: Any program that change device id in bios for my X850pro?. I want to put an X850XT PE ID maybe i can unlock it.
Will a pci sata card work? It looks to be much cheaper to pick one of those up, versus the adapters and cables (in my case i would need 90 degree cables and these adapters - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812206002 to close the side of the case). If I must go the adapter route, anyone suggest a better place to buy/model of adapter to use? I cant use the ones that stick out, this one was the only one I found thats pretty much flat. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by sideeffect
*edit* I am in fact a moron. Must of been tired this morning, I have no choice but to use the little bridge adapter. I guess a new question would be for tccd that likes voltage (mine does better with 2.85v than less), would bios 1.c3 regular or tccd be best? its g.skill 1gble pc4400, thanks.
Mike - download and run A64Info - it's made by a guy on XS Forums =]
post a screenshot of your max settings and we will get a better idea how to help you because it has more info than A64Tweaker
Mikee - I'm using x2 Corsair Twinx CMX512-3200XLPRO sticks which have the same 2-2-2-5 SPD timings. They've always worked fine at stock speeds at 1T and their rated 2.7v.
But as Losphoron suggests, you probably need to relax the timming on your memory to do any overclock.
I couldn't get mine above 214Mhz without doing so. System would reboot when going into Windows.
I'm new at this and still messing with the timmings, but give 2.5-4-4-7 a shot just for grins.
I was able to at least start going to higher HTT with those.
I got these timmings after looking at an old review for this RAM where they did a bit of testing on OC'ing them.
Those timmings may give you a starting point for yours.
I'm using Sideeffects 1C3 BIOS if that helps.
Is there anyway to get a x10.5 CPU Multiplier with Sideeffect's 1C3 BIOS?
Found some folks running 240 and getting 2520 CPU Clock which I want to try.
Thanks
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/pike444/OC3.jpg
Special K, here is that printout from the new tool. I think the problem might be that I don't know the voltage settings besides the timings...but I'm just not sure what I'm doing wrong. Thanks for your help
Well, after some good and mostly failed tests (that were driving me nuts) I replaced my PSU and got a Corsair Nautilus 500 cooling system for the CPU.
Those changes seems to have made a world of difference.
I'm still testing and by know means are these the best, but this is what I have so far:
Hardware Setup:
BIOS - Sideeffect 1DB1 Standard
AMD 64 4000+ San Diego
CPU Heatsink - Corsair Nautilus 500
Memory - Corsair TwinX 1024XL PC3200 (x2 Corsair CMX512-3200XLPRO Default SPD 2-2-2-5 @ 2.7v )
Video - Nvidia 6800GT - PNY Verto - BIOS 5.40.00.15.51 - Default 350Mhz/1Gig - Driver 84.21
Hard Disk - Seagate Barracuda 120GB 7200RPM - ST3120026AS (on SATA 3 next to CPU)
Power Supply - Silverstone 550W
OC:
CPU Clock: 255
CPU Multi: 11 (2.8Ghz)
CPU VID: 1.45
HT Multi: 4 (1020)
Mem Clock: 183
DDR Volt: 2.7
Timming: 3-3-3-5-1T
All other BIOS settings at default.
Some Scores:
Sandra Lite 2007.5.10.98
Mem Int: 6824
Mem FP: 6724
ALU: 10158
SSE3: 8601
MM Int: 26391
MM FP: 28666
3DMark03: 12308
3DMark05: 4971
3Dmark06: 2426
Super PI mod 1.4/checksum mod was tried when I thought the system was stable enough.
I know my memory is holding me back to DDR480. I've tried upping the volts and different timmings without luck and I found other reports of the same memory not being able to go above 480. So unless there's some magic numbers or settings to help correct that I'm not sure what else to try. Over all, I can't complain about the memory considering it's rated as PC3200 / DDR400 memory to begin with.
I'm going to try some more timmings to see if I can tighten them down a bit.
Any recommendations?
The 3DMark Scores were for grins and to see how well the overclock was working. I found 3DMark03 to stutter or reboot the system when settings were unstable, so it was somewhat of a good indicater what would happen when gaming. The PNY 6800GT doesn't overclock well, but I'm replacing that with a BFG 7800 GS OC which I got a deal on. I expect those scores to change some.
I'm afraid to try much further on the FSB considering I can't seem to understand which temps are accurate. Seems MBM and Core Center aren't reporting them correctly - I get 31c idle and 45c for CPU, but case is showing 7c ? BIOS is showing 41c for CPU. I probably need to reseat the block and let the AS5 settle in as well, but would like to figure out which tool to use to get accurate temps in windows.
If you'd like me to try any other settings or have other advice, please let me know.
Thanks!
EDIT: ARG! I just installed the 7800GS OC at the 255 FSB settings above and the system won't post at all.
I'm not even trying to OC it. For AGP clock I tried 66 and 67 (due to the earlier reports that AGP wouldn't lock unless it was 67) with no luck.
Currently working with it at 240x11 / x4 HT / 200Mhz DDR and it's ok. Is there an issue with AGP 3.0 cards at or above 250??
try 68
Do you guys think my early NewCastle 130nm core is why I can't get an easy OC? I'm just not sure what I should set all the things (timings, voltage) to (or even if this is the best BIOS), without causing damage, and would rather wait for advice from someone who may have experience with this setup.
New offical bios is out, 1.C0. Seems to have corrected the nvidia lan ROM error, also for my board the AGP stays at 66mhz with the overclock, not sure why it would raise with the previous bios (when it shouldnt have).
I havent tried to beat my overclock with this bios yet, but Ive put it at max and its rock solid atm, its an older 3000 Winchester:
Core speed: 2196 MHz
multi: 9.0
HTT: 244 MHz
HT: 4x
Memspeed in bios: 166 mhz
Mem Frequency 199.6 mhz(I may be able to bump up HTT even more, it used to be around 200)
2-3-3-6 timings, Command rate 1T (corsair xms memory, 2 x 1 gig)
I would post a CPU-Z pict, but I figured save the bandwidth and just type this stuff out.
Another thing, I see a new "driver" called "AMD Away Driver", what is that?
is anybody running twinmos 3200(mtec chips)? Could you post bios/settings/slots, I can't get these sticks stable
thanks
I can only see 1.cQuote:
Originally Posted by -TooL
Update date 2005-12-21
do you have link
thanks
i tried to get 1.c3 but the site seems to have been wiped again :( Im using 1.c final but it sucks,i can be memtest stable all day but BSOD in windows like crazy. pls email me sideeffect or anyone with the regular or tccd version of 1.c3 at this name at yahoo dot com. Thanks.
http://www.msi.sploitz.com/
Here is the link for the 1C3 Beta. It's the one on the top right
What are the possible causes of bios corruption? I thought that maybe I was using a less than stable version so I reflashed from Sideeffects 1C final to sideeffects 1C3 and everything was good for a couple of days but now it's doing the same things again.
It will get to the point where windows won't boot so I reset the cmos and redo all my settings and when I reboot it gets stuck on the "Nvidia searching for array" part and freezes. After that I try to press "Delete" to go into the bios settings and it goes into it but immediately freezes.
This all started when I booted into windows and got a bsod that said something about "PFL_CORRUPTED" or something similiar.
Could someone please post a a64 screenshot of good settings for tccd with this mobo? I am going out of my mind trying to get this to work right, i am using an opty 165 where the previous owner had it stable at 2.88ghz with the mem at ddr600 2.5-4-4-6, the cpu tests out nice at 2.88ghz but with the mem at ddr400. My ram is g.skill tccd rated for 275mhz 2.5-3-3-7. I testes the system at 2.7ghz and ddr550 with memtest for 16 hours with no errors, but I can barely last a few seconds in a fresh xp install! :slapass: Even with the cpu on a lower multi around its stock 1.8 I cannot get even the first line of a 1MB superpi to go! I am trying to use sideeffect's 1.c3 tccd bios, thanks to any who can help! *edit* they are week 440 chips, if that helps at all...Ive been trying the settigns from the tccd guide o nthe forums with a tiny bit of sucess with the cpu down low, but up the cpu and it goes to hell.
have you tried lower volts on ram
Yes, and in some cases, 2.7 got me some headroom, but for high overclocks, anything less than 2.8v wont even post. previous testing showed higher scores with higher volts in everest home edition (back when I had a working memory controller on my cbbid wincheser, imagine that); so I had thought I had gotten the tccd that likes voltage.
I've found this to be a problem with the board.
With my BH-6 I can be memtest+ stable at 220Mhz 2-2-2-10 1T no problem. But in Windows, not a chance, lock up city.
Its a shame as I have to run my memory at 180Mhz :(
This is a straight xp sp2 install im using, no newer patches, and most noticably, no dual core fixes....could those be a problem??
*edit* I've been thinking...I remember messing aroudn with the opty in bios 1.8, and while a bunch of optiosn went missing (like cpu multi and cpu vid), I did get ddr550 working for a nice 27 second superpi (my best ever). What exactly is it about 1.8 that it doesnt support dual core? I'm going to try going back to it as it seems vastly more stable than 1.c3 (many times the post will lock up, or display garbled info). Thanks for any clarification...
finally figured it out....this board or cpu has some kind of 2t bug. with dual core, or at least this chip, i cant run mem at 1t, even at ddr400. Should I try to rma my ram? I dont know what else to do at this point, ive tried EVERYTHING. I foudn this out when I tried the 1.8 again, I realized it set the mem to 2t so thats why it was stable. back on 1.c3 tccd mod by sideeffect, still ddr550 isnt stable with 2t, but ddr400 is, so ill stay here for a little while... thanks for any feedback, i think i will sell these sticks and get 2gb of ddr400 :( sux I paid so much for a 165 with a memory controller i cant even use...
Sideeffects main site been wiped again?
http://www.swjka.com/neo2/index.php
I'm trying to find Sideeffects 1C final standard (not the Beta 3 that the other BIOS sites link to as 1C)
The mirrors appear to be down as well.
Thanks
There appears to be a set of new CoreCenters (yes, plural) available at MSI's site here MSI Mainboard Utility. There's now a "Dual Core" and single version listed.
Unfortunatly there still isn't a nForce3 NB temp option to look at and I suspect my nForce3 chip was getting a bit hot.
I started to take a look at Systool, Speedfan, MBM, (etc) for monitoring temps and voltages with this board.
Anybody ever noticed that the nForce3 chip temperature is not only reported inaccuratly, but it's backwards??
That is: The hotter the chip gets, the lower the C is.
I confirmed that in both SpeedFan and Systool (which has an offset, but not something that handles the backwards temp scenario).
I modded a somewhat larger heatsink (40x45x25mm) to fit in a way that wouldn't interfere with the AGP card. Had to epoxy the sink on (with Artic Alumina) as there was no way to clamp it down.
I ran the system without an active fan on it for awhile and watched as the temperature being reported by Systool go down (had started at about 22c).
At first I thought that was a good thing until the temp started getting ridiculous (below 10c).
I plugged in a NB fan and just let it rest on the heatsint. I immediatly saw the temp climb back up and settle in at about 18c.
Suppose there is no way to get an accurate reading from the board and need an external method?
How do you get the temps of the NB? No utility I have found does the job unless I am looking at it wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Signal64
If it makes a difference I installed an after market NB copper HSF when MSI sent me a substandard replacement. Maybe my temps would be lower?
If I want the most stable BIOS what should I be running? Are the new MSI BIOS's any good? Keep in mind I am not an aggressive over clocker.
Edit:
Is there any reason you can think of as to why my motherboard is not stable at 1T with anything over 200FSB? I tried different ram and all.
I had OCZ gold gamer extreme rated at 2-2-2-5 230FSB(I think) and I could not get even 201FSB. This includes loosening timings, higher voltage, and all. And the ram worked 100% in another board.
SysTool, SpeedFan, and older MSI CoreCenter versions report them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepy Samurai
SpeedFan reports it as Temp1 on my board.
SysTool and the older CoreCenter lists it as Northbridge/NB.
Just remember what I said above, the temp is reported "backwards".
9c is hotter than 14c in this case.
Which aftermarket did you get? I couldn't find anything that was low enough and not get in the way of a longer AGP card (like a 7800GS).Quote:
If it makes a difference I installed an after market NB copper HSF when MSI sent me a substandard replacement. Maybe my temps would be lower?
If it doesn't have a fan on it, then you may need to consider it. The nForce3 does get pretty hot.
I can't say what a good temp is considering I can't find a thing on what the normal/max temps are for an nForce3 250 Ultra.
nVidia doesn't make that info publicly available, so standard common sense is keep it as cool as you can.
In going through the thread, I never saw a consensus that one was better than the rest.Quote:
If I want the most stable BIOS what should I be running? Are the new MSI BIOS's any good? Keep in mind I am not an aggressive over clocker.
Only thing to consider is if your running X2 then you need 1.9 (I think) or later.
I'm having good luck with Sideeffects 1C3 and 1D1 standard versions.
I'd rather use his 1C final, but can't find it.
Had a similar issue with Corsair 3200XLPRO. Had to relax the timings to go above 211. Settled on 3-3-3-8 (was 2-2-2-5 like yours).Quote:
Edit:
Is there any reason you can think of as to why my motherboard is not stable at 1T with anything over 200FSB? I tried different ram and all.
I had OCZ gold gamer extreme rated at 2-2-2-5 230FSB(I think) and I could not get even 201FSB. This includes loosening timings, higher voltage, and all. And the ram worked 100% in another board.
On the first page, there's a tip that mentions if TRCD (second number) is 2, then the VDIMM drops by 0.1 volts (i.e. if your ram requires 2.7 and you set it to that, then it drops it to 2.6 if TCRD = 2). You might want to look at that as well.
I'm trying out the OCZ Platinum PC4000 (DDR500) 2Gig kit. Runs fine at 2.7v @ 250 3-3-2-8-1T and has been very stable so far.
And kind of funny, I noticed that the pic at the top of this thread shows the memory in the wrong slots for dual-channel operation (although noted elsewhere).
You need them in the Green/Purple slots (not Green-Green or Purple-Purple) for Dual-Channel to work (at least on the Version 1 boards)
Well... I have some good news.
There were a few in the thread that had issues with Cold Boot when they updated their AGP card.
I found myself in a similar situation when I went from a 6800GT to a 7800GS.
The system would work fine with HTT above 250, but when you put in a more recent AGP Card, Cold Boot problems.
You reset everything, boot, OC to something lower and the system would boot fine. Going further, you up it to your higher HTT again and things are running stable. Turn off the system power switch and try to boot, Cold Boot problem. Not an issue with your prior AGP card.
Upping the voltage on AGP and other tweaks wouldn't correct the problem.
I tried more than a few BIOS's last night and finally found that Sideeffect's 1Brev2 standard didn't have the issue at all. Things are cold booting fine again.
I didn't try MSI's 1B or other variations as I'm happy with this one.
The CPU temps are off again (seems to report about 5-7c hotter?) but I'll live with that. I don't trust any of the temps on this board as it is.
Anyway... back to it.
I have a ventec copper after market cooler that the retailer recommended. Applied some arctic silver and the install was easy. It is the same size a stock with a bigger fan by about 2mm.
With my CPU at 45c my NB is -19c so I must be smoken?
today my new "OCZ5002048EBPE-K" (CL3-3-2-8 Dual Channel Platinum EL) arrived! with 2.8V they´re running this:
http://home.arcor.de/cm50k/bilder/ocz_260mhz.jpg
but i´m still using the sideeffect 1.d TCCD bios.
so which bios is the best for this ram?
and what settings should i use?
Trc and DRAM Idle Timer say nothing to me...
Post a screenshot of A64 tweaker.
http://home.arcor.de/cm50k/bilder/a64tweaker.jpg
i flashed the normal 1.d sideeffect but nothing changed!
250mhz 1:1 doesn´t go with 2.8V and 3-2-3-8 :(
before my X2 runs fine with 260*10 and memory-divider so the TCCD runs with 200mhz!
is the 1:1 with ram harder for the cpu?
Yes using the 1:1 ratio the memory controller is working much harder and may not cope.
oh no :(
i bought this ram cause i thouhgt i could run it 1:1 with the cpu...
f*** off, so i have to try which divider works best?!
or should i try a lower multi and a higher "fsb" with divider?
Either, you'll have to find the max CPU overclock by lowering the memory speed to 100Mhz and upping the HTT untill the CPU is unstable. Then lower the CPU multiplier and up the HTT 1:1 until the memory is unstable, then find the happy medium between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by CM50K
Looking for help with RAID setup. I have two identical drives, WD 250GB 16MB cache, 7200rpm etc. Never setup a hardware before and would like to use raid0.
I installed them in slots 3 and 4
I went into the BIOS and enables SATA and RAID for 3&4.
Went into the BIOS utility and set them up for striping.
Started the windows install and pressed F6 for RAID drivers and picked the first RAID driver. At the windows screen it shows two disks with the same IDs. Each as it own 250GB drive.
I formatted one drive and tried installing windows. Using the driver disk I received an error that could not find nvidiaraid.sys (think that’s the name). And could not proceed with the install.
I tried with out installing the drivers and it worked until the computer rebooted. I received a boot error.
Any ideas?
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The details are:
SATA 3/4 DMA transfer Disabled
IDE RAID Enabled
SATA3 RAID Enabled
SATA4 RAID Enabled
SATA3/4 Enabled
RAID utility
Boot: yes ID: 1 Status: healthy Stripe 64k Striping width 2
Does this in for help?
did you load both of drivers: the raid drivers and the controller drivers ? and was the software already loaded on the drives or are you doing a new install?
if you saw 2 drives after loading drivers, then windows did not see the raid config. it should show up as one drive. you have the new raid drivers from msi home page?
PS most folks recommend 16k or 32k on your raid, bit more efficient, and just a bit :)
sounds like you may have to reformat and reload windows again :(
I did not know to load both drivers and will try again. And I will try 32k cluster size too.
Thanks. As for the install no biggy, I have an unattended windows install disk. Plug and walk away.
RAID is some what a mistery to me. Not in how it works but how to det it up. My other computer was so much easyer.
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Well that did not seem to work. Loading both drivers made the computer hang at the starting windows blue screen, just before it asks you about formatting and creating partitions.
I will try updated drivers and see if that helps. If only computers were ever easy.
i was getting bsod random ocasions with my venice 3200 at 10 x 250 x 4 maybe because bios wasnt rep senting v core correctly,
Anyway got a 3700 sandieago and its about a non clocker . gave up and went to just about stock, cant seem to overclock it esp with a 7800 gs in the box too, I gave up and raided 2 wd 250 gb 16mb cache drives . kept the 1 c final and lost the overclock for good. very stable after 2-3 months no probs.
will memtest just fine but prime 95 wont work right, super pi would show decent results . my memory gave up on me and so im done clocking this board.
You are running 4xHTT? I thought that was a no no, might want to lower it down. Or maybe I am mistaken.
(probably the worst for giving over clocking advice but try)
4 x 250 is 1000Mhz which is bang on the money i.e. fine.
found what the problem was, the cd rom I was using was bad, it would read cd's just fine, today I put in a dvd burner and it boots right up.Quote:
Originally Posted by cooptroop4
coop
pushing my memory too far killed my bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by kbtat2
The good people at MSI have a new preflashed bios chip heading my way though, :woot:
I need some help. I am trying to setup RAID0 with two new identical WDC WD2500KS Drives. Western Digital 250gb 16mb 7200 drives.
Now I have gone though all the steps listed on the MSI forum and tried a number of different things. No matter what windows will not detect the drives in RAID0. At the install level or in the OS the HDD are not found.
I have configured the BIOS to enable RAID and SATA. I have used SATA3/4 and jumpered then for 150 (tried 300 as well). I configured the drives in the tool (F10 at boot) and removed all other drives to eliminate conflicts. WD's tool can not find them either.
When they are taken out of RAID, they appear fine.
I have run a full check on the drives and no errors (in DOS and Windows). One is running hot and has an error in everest:
BE <vendor-specific> 45 45 24 55 Advisory: Usage or age limit exceeded
The drives are new and I can RMA or return them. Has anyone setup WD drives in RAID? Is RAID buggy on MSI boards? Should I buy different drives?
This is driving me crazy and away from RAID, any advice would be appreciated.
try leaving a bootable cd in your cdrom. And dont hit a key to boot of it.
Had these same issues.....tried different raid drivers. Different hardware configurations (i.e. port 1/2, or 3/4) Different amount of hdd's plugged up (got ide/sata devices all rather full).
Raid by itself it well boot. But no matter what i do, with any OTHER ide/sata devices plugged up the ONLY WAY i can boot is by waiting through the "press any key to boot of cd" screen.
Not bad security cause asif anyone would ever guess that to boot your pc up :P
Kinda annoying tho
2 of my drives are WD, 2 are seagate (out of my SATA devices) 250gb each. Not the 16mb cache tho, so i really dunno whether you should bother RMA or just persist with my quick fix solution heh. I'd really think its the motherboard tho.
Yes, i have even flash'd / used custom bios's
Spent 3-4 solid days trying to solve this problem to no avail :(
Anybody have problems with
1. AGP slots taking out cards
2. Random no boot with creative audigy zs
is there a way I can measure the actual agp voltage with my multimeter
cheers
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by Max Tractor
No
I guess, but have no idea.
Guys this may sound stupid but i can't figure out how to set my CPU : DRAM to 1:1 .. i got my ram manualy set to 200MHz ( 2.5 3 3 6 2T) .. 9x230 = 2070MHz .. htt multi x4 .. CPU-Z reports CPU : DRAM set to CPU/9 .. how do i set it to run 1:1 in bios? The CPU is a 3000+ E6 Venice.. :confused:
200Mhz is 1:1
2070 / 9 = 230 i.e you RAM is also running at 230Mhz.
The A64 uses a divider ALL the time. There is no true 1:1 on A64, the RAM clock is derived from the CPU clock speed via a divider.
@Draxx thx for clearing that out.. and perhaps you can answer me to another question .. i'm runing my ram @ DDR460 right now.. with 2.5 3 3 6 2T ( i can't run 1T .. i have to reset the cmos if i set 1T).. so as far as i know i can run max 235 MHz with these timings.. would a 3 4 4 8 @ 245MHz be better in performance than tight timings?
I doubt i can get 245 @ any timings anyway since my ram is so low quality..
1 x 512 KingMax PC3200 rated 2.5 3 3 7
1 x 512 GEIL PC3200 rated 2.5 3 3 6
What's your advice.. thx
I'd download Super Pi and try out both speeds and timings, whichever gives you the fastest Super Pi time is the winner :)Quote:
Originally Posted by zero3
Also test stability with Prime95 (12 hr+) and a 3D Mark of your choice :)
I have a problem:
I tried samsung UCCC chips dual channel on neo2-pe
I can reach 282MHz@1T & superpi1M pass
but when I run memtest it crashed in several minutes ..
it can only get stable at 200MHz(default) or HTT250MHz@DDR333(200MHz) if 201MHz it crashes.I tried timing 3-4-4-8-2T@201MHz it still not stable...
and I tried different BIOS ver1.8,1.B0,1.C3 mod TCCD it doesn't help.
what does this mean?is there something wrong with my tweaks?
Question for those in the know, Im in the need of 2gigs of mem, im wondering whats a good pair of sticks for my Neo2, i have a Opty 144 that can easily run 2.8 stable so ill be doing some oc'ing. im looking to spend 2-250us$,
Also, how will 2gigs run on this board/ should i expect problems? THX for any help...:toast:
if you already have a gb i dont think it'd be worthy upgrade...save some dough for k8l :)
Anyone know the solution to the BUGCODE_USB_DRIVER BSOD on reboot/shutdown problem?
I just went from a 3700 San Diego to an X2 4400, and I get this BSOD almost every time I try to shut down my computer after the cpu swap. The computer was almost 100% stable before the cpu swapout (I'm not overclocking right now) but I don't want to blame this on the new cpu since a quick google search makes it seem like it's a common issue.
I'd rather not go with a bios update if possible, but I will if I have to. The bios I'm using has been working great for a long time now and I've had no real problems with the computer other than this BSOD on shutdown/reboot problem.
Oh yes, I use a powered USB hub and still get the BSOD even when no USB devices are plugged in.
TIA!