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10-10-2011, 03:32 AM
Mats

Quote:

Originally Posted by B.A.T

An norwegian E-tailer searchengine has slipped the price on FX 8150.

The 2600K is even cheaper than the FX in Sweden, but I guess those prices will change the next weeks.
Your USD prices are including 25 % Norwegian tax, right?

In Sweden:
http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?j...,995743,995734
10-10-2011, 04:13 AM
B.A.T

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All USD prices are including 25% Norwegian tax :up:

FX 8120: 1630,- NOK = 281$

FX 6100: 1384,- NOK = 238$

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10-10-2011, 04:31 AM
Mechanical Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by savantu

You can wiggle a few months, but not 2-3 quarters. The customers aren't stupid, they've seen too the marketing slides from AMD, they've done their homework. If they were told Interlagos will be H1 ( Q2 ) , then rest assured they didn't expect to get it in early Q4. On HPC supercomputers, researchers apply for time slices, there is a lot of preparation going on even before the computer is installed. Imagine going back and saying " Hello everyone, we're delaying everything by 6 months ".

How likely are those customers to order again AMD based systems and even more interesting, how likely is Cray to bet high end deals on Opteron CPUs ? What about IBM, HP, Dell in the commercial sector ? Imagine production and banking systems. The factory is ready, the server is MIA or they're forced in the interim to use previous generation CPUs. Imagine the penalties and the extra downtime for upgrading once Interlagos is available. If you find the answer to these, AMD's server market share of <6% suddenly is explained.

If i recall correctly, server version was scheduled to h2 for long time now and i think there was info about it bd shipping to cray in summer. With Cray I think they needed hw not necessarily latest most performing version of bios & os scheduler guides. It might be that AMD delivered almost on time to them by using all they could get from 32nm process if those bad yield rumours are true. If B2F is latest version and it was B2 already before summer, it means they did not make any big modifications, only optimisations to get better yield ect. Ofc, we may never know.
10-10-2011, 04:35 AM
Mechanical Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smartidiot89

Very interesting. There is a very clear difference between a recommendation and being forced to do something ;)

I think I speak for most reviewers when not many, if any will divert from their regular testing methodology.

Well, it only means AMD would have come to its rivals level...
10-10-2011, 04:43 AM
Leeghoofd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mechanical Man

Well, it only means AMD would have come to its rivals level...

In some particular tests then... "optimised for" rings a bell ? Hence why I never run these tests and stick to my usual test suite, loved or hated by the fan boys...
10-10-2011, 05:01 AM
dess

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

In some particular tests then... "optimised for" rings a bell ? Hence why I never run these tests and stick to my usual test suite, loved or hated by the fan boys...

Do you mean SuperPI? ;)
10-10-2011, 05:05 AM
Leeghoofd

absolutely pi has to stay in it... good indication of ram/bandwith scaling, wprime clearly shows the cores working...
10-10-2011, 05:29 AM
tiborrr

Quote:

Originally Posted by chew*

There are many bios options that can effect the outcome of benches.

HPET is 1 for example, it stops the cpu from throttling back in mulithreaded apps.

Running pi on a cluster, versus a core ( 2 threads ) versus being able to disable a single cluster in a core ( which 99% boards/bios's do not have implemented so resources are not shared ) can all influence the results in single threaded.

Knowing all this tells you one thing for sure, you can make it look worse or make it look better all depending on your knowledge of the chip and or your intentions.

As far as PI it's an antiquated bench and has not been AMD's strong point for quite some time.

Granted some results shown tend to lead to the fact that 1m times are bad but looking at the bigger picture we also know that in many cases you can validate 1000mhz higher in many cases with BD, which would point to the fact that you can run 1m at alot faster speeds than current AMD tech.

Things that make you go hmm like what kind of times will we see at 8 gig or even comparing BD to deneb/thuban when same cooling is used.

This is why I like you so much. Major props.
10-10-2011, 05:45 AM
mav2000

^^^ was that quote from chew* on another thread?
10-10-2011, 05:45 AM
dess

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

absolutely pi has to stay in it... good indication of ram/bandwith scaling, wprime clearly shows the cores working...

Does it represent anything that is reflected in everydays performance?
10-10-2011, 06:00 AM
Mats

Quote:

Originally Posted by mav2000

^^^ was that quote from chew* on another thread?

Click the blue arrow in the quote and you'll see.. ;)
10-10-2011, 06:22 AM
Canis-X

^This

Quote:

Originally Posted by mav2000

^^^ was that quote from chew* on another thread?

Here is the link to it --> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...60#post4952360
10-10-2011, 06:37 AM
radaja

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

absolutely pi has to stay in it... good indication of ram/bandwith scaling, wprime clearly shows the cores working...

where is your review going to be posted at?are you still at madshrimps?looking forward to your review in particular,i have always liked you level headed thinking since the days of the asus P5Q-deluxe thread
10-10-2011, 06:44 AM
tifosi

Quote:

Originally Posted by AAbenson

what i really dont understand is if the Bulldozer cpus are really that bad then why was Cray so eager to use these chips in its new supercomputers?:confused:

Erm, seeing specs for server chippery, one could note that BD came with more cores, higher clocks at same or lower TDP. It is a no brainer as it is drop in compatible. You don't have to change everything, but just upgrade bios and pop BD in. There's also support for DDR3 1600 Mhz on server side, i'm sure that will come handy too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by savantu

AMD marketing was doing damage control while they were busy tunning the ecosystem to get a few % more.

Launch is tomorrow. Who's fault is it if the whole chain isn't ready ? It's like buying the latest BMW and the sales guy will tell you " Well, we promised 300bhp and 40mpg, but since the latest software stack for the ECU isn't ready, you'll get only 150 bhp and 20 mpg until sometime next year when we'll fix it. Peace man." Imagine this to happen to you.

Yeah, who cares about x86 compatibility. Let's just ask all the SW vendors to recompile their apps for the new CPU with 10^-27 market share.

That to me equals sleazy tactics. "Configure the test properly" = choose the settings and scenarious which will put BD in the best light.
Rumours has it that AMD will force reviewers to use predefined SW and limit their resolution choices to very high details where CPU differences are masked by the GPU bottleneck.

You're average Joe user will make sure he has the latest silicon, latest microcode, latest BIOS, all the OS patches, drivers are latest, beta if possible, ask the ISV to recompile all his apps starting with Angry Birds and will read the 300 page BD optimization handbook that AMD will supply for free with each CPU. Only then, he'll start using his PC for his day to day activities and be completely satisfied.

Surely you don't think it is as scummy as paying off Dell etc to not use AMD chips, slow other chips in their compilers etc. Or for that matter, willy nilly deciding which ISA is supported or not (remember SSE5, FMA4). If you talk about X86 compatibility, then Intel has a lot more to answer than other two companies involved.

Also, wait till NDA lapses before you decry the chip. As it is, we all know how Nvidia screwed DX10. We also have recently learned that windows is more optimized for HT than actual cores, which is to be fixed. So either you could be sane, and rational, or just jump around tearing up your hair.
10-10-2011, 07:50 AM
ryboto

And here's some stuff-
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/10/10/e...-architecture/
10-10-2011, 07:52 AM
Sparky

Savantu is one of the resident AMD haters (and was banned from the news section for trolling the AMD threads I believe), so I do recommend taking anything he says regarding AMD with a fairly large amount of salt ;)
10-10-2011, 07:56 AM
radaja

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryboto

And here's some stuff-
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/10/10/e...-architecture/

Exclusive,really charlie? kind of misleading
10-10-2011, 08:03 AM
mav2000

I am just waiting around now, coming back to the same threads every half an hour or so, expecting some good news.....nothing yet..
10-10-2011, 08:11 AM
Leeghoofd

anyione up to date on this ? My win7 and 8 were fully patched, no idea if this is included yes or no

"Actually, we already have such an issue known for Bulldozer, and NO bench-marked system has the patch installed!

The shared L1 cache is causing cross invalidations across threads so that the prefetch data is incorrect in too many cases and data must be fetched again. The fix is a "simple" memory alignment and (possible)tagging system in the kernel of Windows/Linux.

I reviewed the code for the Linux patch and was astonished by just how little I know of the Linux kernel... lol! In any event, it could easily cost 10% in terms of single threaded performance, possibly more than double that in multi-threaded loads on the same module due to the increased contention and randomness of accesses.

Not sure if ordained reviewers have been given access to the MS patch, but I'd imagine (and hope) so! Last I saw, the Linux kernel patch was still being worked on by AMD (publicly) and Linus was showing some distaste for the method used to address the issue""

And Tiborr, sorry but changing all sort of options in the bios is not done by most users, neither is setting affinity or co.. Either it works or it doesn't. Not everybody has Chews knowledge on the matter. Disabling PowerManageralready boosted multithreaded performance on my testbed...
10-10-2011, 08:34 AM
Oese

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparky

Savantu is one of the resident AMD haters (and was banned from the news section for trolling the AMD threads I believe), so I do recommend taking anything he says regarding AMD with a fairly large amount of salt ;)

The amount of salt needed around bulldozer is starting to damaging my health i believe :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

anyione up to date on this ? My win7 and 8 were fully patched, no idea if this is included yes or no

"Actually, we already have such an issue known for Bulldozer, and NO bench-marked system has the patch installed!

The shared L1 cache is causing cross invalidations across threads so that the prefetch data is incorrect in too many cases and data must be fetched again. The fix is a "simple" memory alignment and (possible)tagging system in the kernel of Windows/Linux.

I reviewed the code for the Linux patch and was astonished by just how little I know of the Linux kernel... lol! In any event, it could easily cost 10% in terms of single threaded performance, possibly more than double that in multi-threaded loads on the same module due to the increased contention and randomness of accesses.

Not sure if ordained reviewers have been given access to the MS patch, but I'd imagine (and hope) so! Last I saw, the Linux kernel patch was still being worked on by AMD (publicly) and Linus was showing some distaste for the method used to address the issue""

And Tiborr, sorry but changing all sort of options in the bios is not done by most users, neither is setting affinity or co.. Either it works or it doesn't. Not everybody has Chews knowledge on the matter. Disabling PowerManageralready boosted multithreaded performance on my testbed...

Thats great information. I doubt it is patched yet. And it would explain a LOT.
10-10-2011, 08:45 AM
AbortRetryFail?

Quote:

Originally Posted by PerryR

I swear, none of this still makes sense, particularly after reflecting upon these prices from a Microcenter employee:

http://www.overclock.net/amd-general...ate-specs.html

Assuming those listed specs are true, losing ECC RAM support in desktop BD is a bummer.

It is (was?) always nice to take an Asus desktop motherboard that had qualified ECC RAMs, and pop in a AMD desktop CPU for a low-budget workstation.
10-10-2011, 08:48 AM
Oese

@ Leeghoofd: Where is this text from? Is it recently posted/mailed somewhere or quite long ago?
10-10-2011, 08:52 AM
Leeghoofd

Talking to Maki in a moment, keep you lot updated ( if I am allowed )
10-10-2011, 08:53 AM
wez

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oese

@ Leeghoofd: Where is this text from? Is it recently posted/mailed somewhere or quite long ago?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post4969164
10-10-2011, 09:23 AM
Warwian

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

Talking to Maki in a moment, keep you lot updated ( if I am allowed )

Please do! :)
10-10-2011, 09:38 AM
xVeinx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparky

Savantu is one of the resident AMD haters (and was banned from the news section for trolling the AMD threads I believe), so I do recommend taking anything he says regarding AMD with a fairly large amount of salt ;)

I don't see anything he's saying that isn't correct at some level. A bit pessimistic perhaps, but true nonetheless :).
10-10-2011, 09:48 AM
sviola

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

I see many say they would be happy with performance between 2500K and 2600K. Well if you look at 1100T's performance in the test suite that will be used for BD( think most MT benchmarks) you will see that 1100T is already in between 2500K and 2600K,so I don't understand this point at all. 8150 will be in the same perf. slot as 1100T is today.,maybe just slightly better overall due to much higher clock speed. Use applications and games with lower thread count and you will see how 8150's weak cores stumble and fail to outperform even Thuban while having extra clock speed advantage. This is fail ,no excuses.

Is this your wish or you have any source to back this up?

MS TechNet is the source: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s...letin/ms11-oct

Edit: forgot to quote the message...
10-10-2011, 10:09 AM
tbone8ty

I score 7.03 in cinebench 11.5 with my 1090t @ 4.0 ghz

There's no reason why an 8 core bulldozer shouldn't score at least a 7

This is all getting to be ridiculous

If leaked benchs are correct im all set I'll pass.

Here's to holding out hope it's just a bios/windows bug
10-10-2011, 10:24 AM
Isbre

Tomorrow apparently is patch Tuesday, so maybe Microsoft will release an update to W7, which changes windows scheduler? So we will maybe see performance like in the slide AMD showed at computex when they said BD running on windows 8 developer preview, there would be I think 10% FPS increase in L4D2 because of that? And 5 % in other games.
10-10-2011, 10:27 AM
PetNorth

It seems Bulldozer won't be remotely what folks thought, but why do you compare Bulldy and Thuban clock to clock? They are totally different arquitecture......
10-10-2011, 10:34 AM
tbone8ty

Because if bulldozer arch is this bad Amd was better off making phenom II X6 at 32nm with higher clock

Lol but I digress it's only one benchmark
10-10-2011, 10:34 AM
Hondacity

Quote:

Originally Posted by PetNorth

It seems Bulldozer won't be remotely what folks thought, but why do you compare Bulldy and Thuban clock to clock? They are totally different arquitecture......

because amd said the new generation is better than the old generation(bluntly speaking)
10-10-2011, 10:36 AM
savantu

Quote:

Originally Posted by tifosi

Surely you don't think it is as scummy as paying off Dell etc to not use AMD chips, slow other chips in their compilers etc. Or for that matter, willy nilly deciding which ISA is supported or not (remember SSE5, FMA4). If you talk about X86 compatibility, then Intel has a lot more to answer than other two companies involved.

Pointing someone else's failures doesn't eliminate yours. Intel is guilty of all that. How does that nulify the fact that AMD PR is currently in damage control mode, trying to spin the whole matter in the most positive light ? The whole "wait for trinity/piledriver" movement is already under way and BD hasn't been released yet !

Quote:

Also, wait till NDA lapses before you decry the chip. As it is, we all know how Nvidia screwed DX10. We also have recently learned that windows is more optimized for HT than actual cores, which is to be fixed. So either you could be sane, and rational, or just jump around tearing up your hair.

I don't need an NDA lifted to make an opinion on the chip. I have the same opinion since 18 months and I will be proven right. Talk about consistency, a rare treat these days. I've been banned, insulted, laughed at, whatever. Reality however shows I interpreted the signals correctly and most others ( except a handful ) were day dreaming. No problem, reality will crash their dreams. BD will not touch SB, nice idea, lousy execution and too many tradeoffs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparky

Savantu is one of the resident AMD haters (and was banned from the news section for trolling the AMD threads I believe), so I do recommend taking anything he says regarding AMD with a fairly large amount of salt ;)

Yes, the "hater" proven right, I must be damn good if I hit it correctly in "anger mode.". Just FYI, it's never about hate or preferences, whatever. Only idiots love or hate an abstract entity, a corporation. It's only the debate on the technical grounds which thrills me. My only pleasure is in debating, be it CPUs or corn crops, with other smart people. That's the whole purpose of a forum, no ? Exchanging, sometimes heated, ideas and opinions.
10-10-2011, 10:39 AM
PetNorth

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondacity

because amd said the new generation is better than the old generation(bluntly speaking)

That doesn't make any sense sorry.

Better or worse =/ clock to clock
10-10-2011, 10:44 AM
Hondacity

not sure if you guys have seen the first post but looking at the first post from flanker..

these czech guys flanker and obr are ...idunno

Quote:

PC Mark:
x6 1100T 6430b
i7 980x 7150b
i7 2600k 7700b
AMD Zambezi 7950b

Cinebench R11.5
x6 1100T 5.9b
i7 980x 8.95b
i7 2600k 6.7b
AMD Zambezi 11b !!!

3D06 CPU
x6 1100t 5990b
i7 980x 7388b
i7 2600k 6600b
AMD Zambezi 8800
10-10-2011, 10:47 AM
MaddMutt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

anyione up to date on this ? My win7 and 8 were fully patched, no idea if this is included yes or no

"Actually, we already have such an issue known for Bulldozer, and NO bench-marked system has the patch installed!

The shared L1 cache is causing cross invalidations across threads so that the prefetch data is incorrect in too many cases and data must be fetched again. The fix is a "simple" memory alignment and (possible)tagging system in the kernel of Windows/Linux.

I reviewed the code for the Linux patch and was astonished by just how little I know of the Linux kernel... lol! In any event, it could easily cost 10% in terms of single threaded performance, possibly more than double that in multi-threaded loads on the same module due to the increased contention and randomness of accesses.

Not sure if ordained reviewers have been given access to the MS patch, but I'd imagine (and hope) so! Last I saw, the Linux kernel patch was still being worked on by AMD (publicly) and Linus was showing some distaste for the method used to address the issue""

And Tiborr, sorry but changing all sort of options in the bios is not done by most users, neither is setting affinity or co.. Either it works or it doesn't. Not everybody has Chews knowledge on the matter. Disabling PowerManageralready boosted multithreaded performance on my testbed...

Thank You for this Knowledge :welcome:

This make's some other info very useful :yepp:
10-10-2011, 11:31 AM
tifosi

Quote:

Originally Posted by savantu

Pointing someone else's failures doesn't eliminate yours. Intel is guilty of all that. How does that nulify the fact that AMD PR is currently in damage control mode, trying to spin the whole matter in the most positive light ? The whole "wait for trinity/piledriver" movement is already under way and BD hasn't been released yet !

I don't need an NDA lifted to make an opinion on the chip. I have the same opinion since 18 months and I will be proven right. Talk about consistency, a rare treat these days. I've been banned, insulted, laughed at, whatever. Reality however shows I interpreted the signals correctly and most others ( except a handful ) were day dreaming. No problem, reality will crash their dreams. BD will not touch SB, nice idea, lousy execution and too many tradeoffs.

Erm, pointing at Intel does matter as they're a monopoly by and large and use their weight to change the rules of the game all the time. What i listed was Intel's attempts to slow not just the competition down, but innovation in X86 computing. Haswell includes some stuff AMD is doing today and were ready with 2-3 years ago, and you could see blue team screaming like little girls about it. However, no one acknowledges who brought those technologies to fruition. Hey, if you think Intel's ok doing so, then AMD can be allowed to make a bad chip or two sometimes.
10-10-2011, 11:33 AM
liberato87

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondacity

not sure if you guys have seen the first post but looking at the first post from flanker..

these czech guys flanker and obr are ...idunno

which post are you referring too?
10-10-2011, 11:35 AM
gosh

Quote:

Originally Posted by liberato87

which post are you referring too?

http://www.svethardware.cz/forum/sho...4&postcount=27
10-10-2011, 11:41 AM
wez

Quote:

Originally Posted by gosh

http://www.svethardware.cz/forum/sho...4&postcount=27

Keep in mind that this is from January :)
10-10-2011, 11:45 AM
LightSpeed

I really wanna play with BD and I hope to god that it performs atleast 10% faster overall and im ready to grab a 8120 then.

SB is certainly fast but boring as :banana::banana::banana::banana:.
10-10-2011, 11:58 AM
EniGmA1987

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightSpeed

SB is certainly fast but boring as :banana::banana::banana::banana:.

Exactly why I sold my sandy bridge computer. Bulldozer will still be powerful enough for anything out there today even if it doesnt win in every benchmark. I just want to have fun overclocking a computer again.
10-10-2011, 12:08 PM
BeepBeep2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondacity

not sure if you guys have seen the first post but looking at the first post from flanker..

these czech guys flanker and obr are ...idunno

OBR and flanker are not related, OBR has been preaching about how bad BD is for quite some time now.

It's a funny thing, because his numbers posted months ago now match what we saw from Lab501 and other leaks. These are numbers from OBR's "crippled CPUs"...
And this thread started out as a bunch of crude guesses of numbers from flanker pulled out of thin air.
10-10-2011, 12:18 PM
spurious

Does the NDA expire at midnight US eastern time, or some other time zone?
10-10-2011, 12:24 PM
Hondacity

Quote:

Originally Posted by spurious

Does the NDA expire at midnight US eastern time, or some other time zone?

the nda is under nda lol
10-10-2011, 12:25 PM
Manicdan

Quote:

Originally Posted by spurious

Does the NDA expire at midnight US eastern time, or some other time zone?

i somehow think that detail is covered in the NDA... and thus we will know after such event happens
10-10-2011, 12:26 PM
Manicdan

double posted
and beating by a honda
10-10-2011, 12:32 PM
muziqaz

Its 10th today, so still two days or so :)
10-10-2011, 12:32 PM
FlanK3r

lol, what about me guys? This slide is here at first page of this big thread. It was calculation from this slide, because we know numbers for i7 and x6 1100T. Informal remember it...
10-10-2011, 12:34 PM
LightSpeed

Quote:

Originally Posted by EniGmA1987

Exactly why I sold my sandy bridge computer. Bulldozer will still be powerful enough for anything out there today even if it doesnt win in every benchmark. I just want to have fun overclocking a computer again.

This. I was using a X3 > X4 and overclocking it to 3.8ghz stable was extremely fun. I got stuck at 3.3, then 3.4 then 3.5 with seemingly no way past that then voila, one more tweak and i was past 3.6 and so on. Then started with the nb and overall it was the most fun ive had in years when it came to overclocking. SB? Changed multi, upped volts and within 10 minutes i was at 4.6 with the max being 4.7. Fast, effecient but as i said, boring as :banana::banana::banana::banana:.

I need to bring a fairy dust good for 10% more performance and blow it on the 8120 I buy. I just hope AMD supplies the dust by day after tomorrow cuz I cant seem to find it anywhere.
10-10-2011, 12:36 PM
muziqaz

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlanK3r

lol, what about me guys? This slide is here at [URL="http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?265710-AMD-Zambezi-news-info-fans-!"]first pageURL] of this big thread.

That was back in the day when we were still expecting bulldozer, not a bicycle ;)
10-10-2011, 12:37 PM
Oese

somehow i dont like nda :)
10-10-2011, 01:22 PM
Evantaur

http://nikita.tnnet.fi/~evntr/silencewillfall.png
:hehe:
10-10-2011, 01:41 PM
SBB

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightSpeed

This. I was using a X3 > X4 and overclocking it to 3.8ghz stable was extremely fun. I got stuck at 3.3, then 3.4 then 3.5 with seemingly no way past that then voila, one more tweak and i was past 3.6 and so on. Then started with the nb and overall it was the most fun ive had in years when it came to overclocking. SB? Changed multi, upped volts and within 10 minutes i was at 4.6 with the max being 4.7. Fast, effecient but as i said, boring as :banana::banana::banana::banana:.

I need to bring a fairy dust good for 10% more performance and blow it on the 8120 I buy. I just hope AMD supplies the dust by day after tomorrow cuz I cant seem to find it anywhere.

Hahah I agree too, I recently got a 1055T and a 990FX board and i've had so much fun with it I was considering getting rid of my SB system - it's way more satisying to have proper CPU, RAM and NB tweaking to play with, after all this is why most of us our here - we enjoy squeezing every last bit of performance out the chips :D

I really hope the 8150 is on par with a stock 2600k in games, so I can justify the change (I dont care too much about it being faster in benches, apart from maybe some video encoding) but it doesnt look like it will be :(
10-10-2011, 01:57 PM
|ron

Nda lift for italy is on 12th at 6a.m.
So in usa it would be around midnight between 11 and 12 october, don't know in which fuse, since you have 3 or 4 (east coast, central or west coast) :)
10-10-2011, 02:00 PM
flyck

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbone8ty

I score 7.03 in cinebench 11.5 with my 1090t @ 4.0 ghz

There's no reason why an 8 core bulldozer shouldn't score at least a 7

This is all getting to be ridiculous

If leaked benchs are correct im all set I'll pass.

Here's to holding out hope it's just a bios/windows bug

Why? do you run C11.5 for professional use? otherwise i don't see the relevance of Cinebench..

Also x6 is pretty strong in C11,5. Its only bested by 2600K and 6core intel cpu's. I don't care if BD performs like a 6core thuban. (which has alot more fpu resources in total).
Wait for C12 and you probably will see SB and BD leave thuban in the dust. (AVX and FMA support).
10-10-2011, 02:00 PM
tbone8ty

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evantaur

http://nikita.tnnet.fi/~evntr/silencewillfall.png
:hehe:

what does "silence will fall" mean?
10-10-2011, 02:01 PM
tbone8ty

edit: double post
10-10-2011, 02:06 PM
possessed

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbone8ty

what does "silence will fall" mean?

take silence as if it is a wall, then a bulldozer will come a take it down :D
10-10-2011, 03:27 PM
xVeinx

It means he's a Dr. Who fan ;)
10-10-2011, 03:43 PM
spursindonesia

Quote:

Originally Posted by PetNorth

It seems Bulldozer won't be remotely what folks thought, but why do you compare Bulldy and Thuban clock to clock? They are totally different arquitecture......

Because certain peep said with a high degree of authority that IPC will increase with BD against older mArch, you know, "Instruction Per Clock" ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by muziqaz

That was back in the day when we were still expecting bulldozer, not a bicycle ;)

Thank you for the laugh. :D
10-10-2011, 03:58 PM
cesariuth

Guys,

BD in the real world can breathe better
10-10-2011, 05:02 PM
undone

Quote:

Originally Posted by sviola

MS TechNet is the source: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s...letin/ms11-oct

Edit: forgot to quote the message...

'This is an advance notification of security bulletins that Microsoft is intending to release on October 11, 2011.'

but i cant find any hardware related update on that page, maybe coincidence?
10-10-2011, 05:34 PM
bamtan2

Quote:

Originally Posted by vietthanhpro

11/10 is Patch Tuesday

here are the notes from microsoft. it has nothing to do with amd

Quote:

Tuesday, October 11, 2011
New non-security content:
Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool - October 2011 (KB890830)/Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool - October 2011 (KB890830) - Internet Explorer Version

Locale: All
Deployment: Windows Update, Microsoft Update, Important/Automatic Updates, WSUS, and Catalog
Classification: High Priority, Non-Security, Update Rollups
Supersedes: KB890830 on Windows 7, Windows Server 2008 R2, Windows Server 2008, Windows Vista, Windows Server 2003, and Windows XP
Target platforms: Windows 7, Windows Server 2008 R2, Windows Server 2008, Windows Vista, Windows Server 2003, and Windows XP
Approximate file sizes:
Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool - October 2011 - IE Version update: ~ 15279KB
Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool - October 2011 update: ~ 14959KB
Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 - October 2011 update: ~ 15279KB
Description:
After the download, this tool runs one time to check your computer for infection by specific, prevalent malicious software (including Blaster, Sasser, and Mydoom) and helps remove any infection that is found. If an infection is found, the tool will display a status report the next time that you start your computer. A new version of the tool will be offered every month. If you want to manually run the tool on your computer, you can download a copy from the Microsoft Download Center, or you can run an online version from microsoft.com. This tool is not a replacement for an antivirus product. To help protect your computer, you should use an antivirus product.
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=39987
Update for Windows Mail Junk E-mail Filter [October 2011] (KB905866)

Locale: All
Deployment: Recommended/Automatic Updates, WSUS, and Catalog
Classification: Updates, Non-Security
Supersedes: KB905866 on Windows Vista
Target platforms: Windows Vista
Approximate file sizes:
Windows Mail Junk E-mail Filter [October 2011] update: ~ 2155KB
Windows Mail Junk E-mail Filter for x64-based Systems [October 2011] update: ~ 2158KB
Description:
Install this update for Windows Mail to revise the definition files that are used to detect e-mail messages that should be considered junk e-mail or that may contain phishing content. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer.
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=79015
Changes to existing non-security content:
Update for Windows 7, Windows Server 2008 R2, Windows Server 2008, Windows Vista, Windows Server 2003, and Windows XP (KB2607712)
Metadata change to remove supersedence.
Binaries have not changed.
This update does not need to be reinstalled.
For more information, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2607712
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10-10-2011, 09:40 PM
tifosi

http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtop...95d9#p22143484
10-10-2011, 09:47 PM
Dr. Vodka

^ what would happen if the 2500k was at the same 4.85Ghz? But anyway it seems that at those clocks it's a beast, and it'll be really easy to get it that high, or even higher... but yeah, it's nice to hear something good about BD! There has to be a good side to all this nonsense!

one more day to go! :D
10-11-2011, 12:54 AM
FlanK3r

4.85 GHz 2500k can not beat my 4300 MHz Thuban in most multithreadings aplications....My 4300 MHz Thuban can not beat in most multithreadings ap. OC FX....Tomorrow.
10-11-2011, 01:15 AM
radier

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlanK3r

4.85 GHz 2500k can not beat my 4300 MHz Thuban in most multithreadings aplications

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=203
10-11-2011, 01:36 AM
wez

Quote:

Originally Posted by radier

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=203

How nice of you to validate Flankers claim :)

Sadly, I doubt that was your intention, lol.
10-11-2011, 01:38 AM
mav2000

Dman...no news????...will be back in 2 hours again...
10-11-2011, 01:44 AM
PatRaceTin

Woottttt

tomorrow?
10-11-2011, 01:56 AM
gosh

Quote:

Originally Posted by radier

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=203

That list is not that accurate
10-11-2011, 02:10 AM
FlanK3r

http://extrahardware.cnews.cz/forum/...p?f=22&t=16647
POV-RAY 3.7, R11.5, 3DsMAx 2011, x264, y-cruncher etc....hm? :p:

no all from Anandtech is as "worf of God" :) All depends at upgrade software, test selections, etc....If I will want no objective review, I can make review with tests where 1100T won in everything with 2500k. Or opossite. Thinking about it guys. No one review is the true review with all aspects
10-11-2011, 03:07 AM
BeepBeep2

I'm sorry Flanker but a 4.8 Ghz 2500K is not going to lose to thuban 4.3 in anything.
Prove me wrong and I'll eat a shoe. If you had a 4.8 Ghz Thuban and 4.3 Ghz 2500K however...

Or a 4.2 Ghz i7 920 however...

4.2 Ghz ST 3.6 MT Zambezi barely touching Thuban MT results at 3.3 scares me a bit though.
10-11-2011, 03:30 AM
Leeghoofd

It's like GPUs lads, it's all in the software/drivers written for it...

We can test this new architecure on older apps and it might blow. Yet blow the socks off the previous generation with newer software... But as a reviewer you have to draw a line somewhere, somehow and decide what's feasible or not (mostly we are limited due to databases,...) ...

Speaking for myself I did not adapt my test suite, so the outcome might not reflect the performance you get in Y Cruncher, POV ray, X264HD with AVX etc... An update will follow with inclusion of some new numbers with adapted software... I think most review sites will do a similar thing, if not done already...

It will be fun to play with, especially the hardcore guys will set new records...
10-11-2011, 03:34 AM
Maxforces

@BeepBeep2
Sb will lose in 3ds
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/428...6191a20.th.png http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3...6191a21.th.png http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/5...6191a22.th.png \
but in cinebench wins
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/472...6191a24.th.png

All tests have a 500MHz difference are here after OC
http://nvision.pl/Intel-Core-i7-2600...etails-17.html
Polish language - translate
10-11-2011, 03:48 AM
Allubz

hicookie hits 8GHz on LN2 with AMD Bulldozer

http://gigabytedaily.blogspot.com/20....html?spref=tw

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2040266
10-11-2011, 03:54 AM
savantu

Quote:

Originally Posted by wez

How nice of you to validate Flankers claim :)

Sadly, I doubt that was your intention, lol.

??

How exactly is he validating Flanker's claim ?
10-11-2011, 03:57 AM
FlanK3r

Beep: Thuban at 4300 MHZ (my) hit 7.72 points in R11.5, 2500k at 4.8 GHz has 7.65points, 3DMax2011 (I have here only this data): 4.05GHz 1100T 382s, 5GHz 2600k 316s (think 4c/4t 2500K at 4800MHz will be worse than 4c/8t 2600k 5GHz).

So, which shoes?:D
10-11-2011, 04:15 AM
BeepBeep2

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlanK3r

Beep: Thuban at 4300 MHZ (my) hit 7.72 points in R11.5, 2500k at 4.8 GHz has 7.65points, 3DMax2011 (I have here only this data): 4.05GHz 1100T 382s, 5GHz 2600k 316s (think 4c/4t 2500K at 4800MHz will be worse than 4c/8t 2600k 5GHz).

So, which shoes?:D

Those are pretty equal scores. I'm sure you can get 7.7 out of a 2500K at 4.8.
Besides, I don't think you can write a review based purely on Cinebench 11.5.

I can't run Cinebench 11.5 at 4.3 Ghz at even unsafe voltages on water. I haven't seen a 2500K that couldn't run Cinebench above 4.8 Ghz.

Not eating a shoe just yet, 0.8% win isn't really a win in my book.
10-11-2011, 04:18 AM
r.p

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlanK3r

Beep: Thuban at 4300 MHZ (my) hit 7.72 points in R11.5, 2500k at 4.8 GHz has 7.65points, 3DMax2011 (I have here only this data): 4.05GHz 1100T 382s, 5GHz 2600k 316s (think 4c/4t 2500K at 4800MHz will be worse than 4c/8t 2600k 5GHz).

So, which shoes?:D

3dsmax 2011:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/p...k_3ds_max_2011

... but if you use 3dsmax9 ... :
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/t...2100-tested/17

... and btw the current version for cinema 4d is R13!
10-11-2011, 05:18 AM
radier

Mine 2500K@5Ghz is doing 7,94 in CB 11,5.
CB likes HT so 2600K is much quicker even with lower clockspeed.
10-11-2011, 05:22 AM
Macadamia

One thing to note is that C4D R13 makes significant changes to the renderer, as it does physical lighting now.

Whether BD renders fast in R13 is another thing, but I'm pretty sure almost everyone will be on the new version quite soonish.
10-11-2011, 05:31 AM
radier

Found this:

Quote:

I7 4.0GHz 4 core 12 gigs ram. All times in seconds, all files loaded into the full version of c4d, all renders done 3 times.

Cinebench 10 bike scene

R11.5: 19
R12.0: 19
R13.0: 18

Cinebench 11.5 Sponza scene

R11.5: 79
R12.0: 75
R13.0: 74
10-11-2011, 05:38 AM
Particle

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

Those are pretty equal scores. I'm sure you can get 7.7 out of a 2500K at 4.8.
Besides, I don't think you can write a review based purely on Cinebench 11.5.

I can't run Cinebench 11.5 at 4.3 Ghz at even unsafe voltages on water. I haven't seen a 2500K that couldn't run Cinebench above 4.8 Ghz.

Not eating a shoe just yet, 0.8% win isn't really a win in my book.

Look, I'm not trying to be a stickler here, but it disturbs me that you're discarding accuracy for consistency of your claim. Your claim made no mention of there needing to be a wide margin or a variety of tests. Your claim, as stated, has been successfully challenged. If what you said was not what you meant, you shouldn't have said it.
10-11-2011, 05:55 AM
sviola

Quote:

Originally Posted by undone

'This is an advance notification of security bulletins that Microsoft is intending to release on October 11, 2011.'

but i cant find any hardware related update on that page, maybe coincidence?

Maybe Microsoft is under NDA as well... ;)
10-11-2011, 06:09 AM
blindbox

Quote:

Originally Posted by undone

Some interesting talk about x264 optimizing on bulldozer

http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin/...&postcount=562
http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin/...&postcount=585

Looks like fma4 & XOP bring greater help than AVX on bulldozer. Seems we would get a revolutionay change since MMX.

7 days late but this post is still relevant to me. Sounds like BD's going to be an encoding monster once x264 gets updated.
10-11-2011, 06:39 AM
Canis-X

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

It's like GPUs lads, it's all in the software/drivers written for it...

We can test this new architecure on older apps and it might blow. Yet blow the socks off the previous generation with newer software... But as a reviewer you have to draw a line somewhere, somehow and decide what's feasible or not (mostly we are limited due to databases,...) ...

Speaking for myself I did not adapt my test suite, so the outcome might not reflect the performance you get in Y Cruncher, POV ray, X264HD with AVX etc... An update will follow with inclusion of some new numbers with adapted software... I think most review sites will do a similar thing, if not done already...

It will be fun to play with, especially the hardcore guys will set new records...

I'm not sure if you have answered this yet or not, but where are you going to post up your review at?
10-11-2011, 07:49 AM
cesariuth

1 Attachment(s)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxforces

@BeepBeep2
Sb will lose in 3ds
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/428...6191a20.th.png http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3...6191a21.th.png http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/5...6191a22.th.png \
but in cinebench wins
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/472...6191a24.th.png

All tests have a 500MHz difference are here after OC
http://nvision.pl/Intel-Core-i7-2600...etails-17.html
Polish language - translate

Quote:

Originally Posted by r.p

3dsmax 2011:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/p...k_3ds_max_2011

... but if you use 3dsmax9 ... :
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/t...2100-tested/17

... and btw the current version for cinema 4d is R13!

Talking about 3dsmax9??

Attachment 121097

the performance of BD is here in this graph :D
10-11-2011, 07:59 AM
zalbard

Quote:

Originally Posted by cesariuth

the performance of BD is here in this graph :D

It's the three at the top, do a better job at blurring next time. :p:
10-11-2011, 08:01 AM
possessed

Quote:

Originally Posted by cesariuth

Talking about 3dsmax9??

Attachment 121097

the performance of BD is here in this graph :D

it's the first 3 result, it's easy to tell the difference from the leading letter, it's an F on the first 3 and a C on the other ones.
10-11-2011, 08:08 AM
Postmodum

I think that the FX line will be great for gamers...

For what i've been reading and seing ... if you're not a synthetic bencher and more of a gamer... the FX will give you top performance on par with more expensive rigs :)
10-11-2011, 08:09 AM
Manicdan

the middle of the bottom 3 blurred lines looks like its 2600k stock
the chart does not give a great impression for BD, just an ok/sub-par impression
10-11-2011, 08:13 AM
cesariuth

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manicdan

the middle of the bottom 3 blurred lines looks like its 2600k stock
the chart does not give a great impression for BD, just an ok/sub-par impression

I don't think it is the 2600K :D
10-11-2011, 08:13 AM
radaja

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manicdan

the middle of the bottom 3 blurred lines looks like its 2600k stock
the chart does not give a great impression for BD, just an ok/sub-par impression

to me it looks like core i7-3XXXK maybe the i7-3930K model?

the three FX one look like maybe
FX-81XX stock
FX-81XX(maybe FX61XX)
FX-81XX @ 4XXX MHz?

and the core i7's look like maybe?
core i7-3930K or 3960K
core i7-3820
core i7-920/870 or 750?

but its very hard to make it out exactly
10-11-2011, 08:45 AM
undone

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindbox

7 days late but this post is still relevant to me. Sounds like BD's going to be an encoding monster once x264 gets updated.

Well dont be too optimistic, of course instruction set could do well in some code, but for other code is another story. Wait and see.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cesariuth

Talking about 3dsmax9??

Attachment 121097

the performance of BD is here in this graph :D

according to the graph, 8150(415) is 8% slower than 980x(382). I could be wrong.
10-11-2011, 08:46 AM
Andrea deluxe

Quote:

Originally Posted by |ron

Nda lift for italy is on 12th at 6a.m.
So in usa it would be around midnight between 11 and 12 october, don't know in which fuse, since you have 3 or 4 (east coast, central or west coast) :)

my god iron....

hwupg people drive me crazy...
10-11-2011, 09:03 AM
bamtan2

all these benchmarks comparing cpus in various states of overclock = useless and confusing and harmful. we need stock vs stock. then overclocked vs overclocked. not this mixed up chit
10-11-2011, 09:07 AM
liberato87

Quote:

Originally Posted by bamtan2

all these benchmarks comparing cpus in various states of overclock = useless and confusing and harmful. we need stock vs stock. then overclocked vs overclocked. not this mixed up chit

we need all the results.

confusing?! you cant distinguish numbers?!
if you dont want to see oc results just dont watch them, I want to see them :)
10-11-2011, 09:10 AM
Gilgamesh

Quote:

Originally Posted by cesariuth

I don't think it is the 2600K :D

That version of 3dsmax use more than 8 threads like 2011 and 2011?

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