Only enable HPET if you're on Windows Vista.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonspd
And set all PCI-e lanes to "Auto".
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Only enable HPET if you're on Windows Vista.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonspd
And set all PCI-e lanes to "Auto".
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Originally Posted by Hosser
did that already, anyways enabling those HPET would help boost your performance?!
here's what i did transferred those 40mm right at the mosfet, removed the circupipe sticker...
from this
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...e/DSC01295.jpg
to this
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...e/DSC01300.jpg
:D
HPET has nothing to do with performance, it's just new high resolution hardware interrupt timer. Can only be used by Windows Vista and some modern Linux kernels. Windows XP does not make use of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by madfaze
Nice cooling solution, though I'd imagine it's quite loud? How has it affected temperatures/overclockability?
it was already enabled and the others where already on auto :D
I recommend disable HPET if you're not using Windows Vista.
I left it as it was defaulted to. Maybe KTE can explain more or why or why not I have a pci-e 2.0 card so I do what it to run the correct bandwidth.
thanks! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hosser
noise is tolerable when you get to use of it... (8k rpm) :D
for temps im not quite sure about it however can you monitor this?...
I doubt there are any software monitoring methods available; could use a finger maybe? Check to see if they still get hot? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by madfaze
HPET is seperate from PCI-e 2.0 and not required for its operation.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonspd
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hosser
:shocked:
nah its not that warm anymore... :D
tictac: what was that about left shift+tab F1 right shift+tab F2 or something you were saying... ? :p:
Hehe, nice find. But they give no specs we're after there. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by madfaze
You only need one slow big fan really, low noise and moves decent air.
Should be approved very soon. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hosser
Only the PCIe you use (1 usually) needs to be put to Auto and HPET timer is best disabled.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonspd
I have a 60mm 8k RPM fan, I know damn well how much screaming noise they make! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by madfaze
Why not mount a 1k RPM 120mm fan near the back of the case instead, low noise, good cooling? You guys over in Asia do have far higher temps than we do here though, so you need it much more.
Stick a thermocouple inside the slots in the MOSFET heatsink until you feel it hits a MOSFET. Be running something like P95 at that time, the temps will fly high, usually plus 65C (which is still OK). :)Quote:
for temps im not quite sure about it however can you monitor this?...
BTW that above setting I had to switch off (game) at 20hrs P95 stable ambient varied from 30-20C:
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6...2722400zs1.png
Have been trying to finally find high end stability at 22C ambient...
2.8G (200x14) boots easily at 1.35V but it's unstable.
1.40V = unstable
1.450V = unstable
1.50V = unstable
1.56V = unstable
Never tried more, this is air, and for air even that was too high. MHz limit @ cooling (stock cooler).
As a test I tried 1.47V at 2.3G (idles 35C, max fanspeed) and it was also unstable. So we see, Phenom hates high voltage on air at these ambients, at least mine does. 1.456V was max which would run without giving errors.
Tried (207x13.5) 2.794G next;
1.40V = unstable
1.450V = unstable
1.488V = unstable
Tried (206x13.5) 2.78G next;
1.40V = unstable
1.450V = unstable
1.488V = unstable
Stopped right there. Previously I've had upto 2.756G fully stable. So now I'm trying the same MHz again to see if it is still stable.
Right now testing 1.39V idle/1.368V load and it's 2.756G stable.
I'll drop volts next to find lowest it's stable at... but you can already see that at 1.27V easily stable for 2.63G, for just 135MHz more (+5.13%) you require more than +0.2V (1.488V -- +17.17%) and you still cannot get perfect stability (fails after ~2-3 hours P95 small FFT). That's what you call a processor limit. ;)
On H2O, I do think you can get 2.8G stable with lower volts with this chip and possibly bench +2.9G.
EDIT!:
-2.756G passed 1.392V 5hr and then, whilst gaming, it froze the system = unstable :(
-2.7G used to be fully stable for anything around 1.320V around 10 days back for over a week that I tested: Original Stability Report
Now, unfortunately it failed P95 at 2hr20min and repeatedly failed playing a simple Youtube video at 1.360V. :(
This may however have something to do with the temps. Phenom may not like these temps much, before I was using the same cooler but with a good mount and solid paste. Now I was idling over 10C higher since the paste was 1/3 of original left and reused. Will throw my Zalman onto it to check how it does... 50-54C are not temps which will make Phenom core error, so if it is finding instability at >50C it'll be because the core temp probe is reading minimum -10-15C from the real value. This'll have to be tested...
Coming up next...
At what <monitoring tool> temperatures does a stable Phenom at stock start to error? :p:
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Originally Posted by KTE
What are you gonna do add heat :shocked:
Great testing you are still doing to this day. Glad that someone is still trying to figure out the ropes of this quad...
or just turn down the fan speed
Or just... have no fan at all. :D
Heatink with some passive air keeps it relatively "up there" IMO.
or hair dryer on top of cpu fan.. hehe..
Well well.. we're making good progress. ;)
See the above 2.6G 20hr stable?
I run that setting daily... replicated it just now at 30C, 35C, 40C, 45C, 50C and 55C BIOS (70% load)/EVEREST -> results:
30C idle/load -> stable
35C idle/load -> stable
40C idle/load -> stable
45C idle -> shaky
45C load -> stable
50C idle > no boot!
50C load -> shaky
52C idle -> no boot!
52C load -> mostly errors
55C idle -> no boot!
55C load -> full of errors!
Shaky = Errorful on and off but altogether unstable (freezes/hard locks)
We have established a temperature bottleneck with Phenom guys. Achim (justapost) experienced something very similar and I've never had high temp readings to be able to tell but today my temps were simulated as high as his were before and what he found is exactly what I'm finding...
Freezing/hard locks are known as a very possible temp issue on any setup.
I could not measure the IHS temp nor did I have probes with me but I used the normal method made for us to use: software monitoring tools. The temperatures reported were the above with software/BIOS.
However, I do not think that was the real temperature. To me it looks highly likely MSI board/Phenom is reading 10-15C below the actual core temps as we know and there is no CPU I've seen which fails POST 20C below max danger temp limit. In Phenoms case, that's 70C, anything below that (real) should run fine. Those temps of 50C must have been 60-65C real IMHO.
Jack (JumpingJack) briefly mentioned relatively high stock temps with his Phenom sample too and that I couldn't corroborate with Gigabyte/MSI/DFI+Phenom testings but I kept checked around and found two other ASUS+Phenom pairings and they both idled/load pretty high up according to software at same MHz/Volts as us, like him. Thus, to me it seems highly likely that the ASUS boards have the correct temp. calibration for Phenoms and that the MSI boards show 10-15C below actual. Otherwise, 50C will never fail POST and freeze whilst in the BIOS.
One other thing I tested but could not measure for lack of equipment with me was MOS/inductor cooling: yes you do need it or you'll fail stability testing at stable MHz easy. Especially at load, typically lower ambient/PWM/CPU temp will get good stability it seems. Guess I better get my skating shoes on. :)
Gack I was certainly surprised.
how do u get it to be at 30C load? if its not having problems reading the temps, then your doing a great job cooling it, or is that some kind of weird chiiller setup you used to do that
-2C ambients 3x Delta 220CFM 1x Delta 102CFM 1x 20inch fan do the trick very well. ;)
I'm thinking of testing it under more cold now. Depends on how the Wolfdale pan out. If the new ones they send us are also bugged with temps then will have to stick with this yet because my boss won't accept it.
My last 9600BE and 9500 didn't have this temp problem. I'd been upto 60C software reading with those stable.
I just booted the 9600 BE while ambient was 27C, very interesting that it booted up faster than usual straight into the BIOS inside I would say 3 seconds and it read 19C (and moving up quick) in HWM within the BIOS. This is very likely 29C actual, thus a -10C deficit since processor started off at 27C (ambient) and can't be less. I modified my 9500 to verify its temps but I don't want to do the same with this.
Wow, Thanks KTE for helping me get privledges!!! I've been reading this forum for a while now and I've found it very helpful!
But I just have a broken 9600BE or something because I can't overclock worth anything. The most I've booted was 12x on the multiplier. Thats it. I dont know what I'm doing wrong. I'm back to the 1.1 bios. Didn't like the beta ones. Maybe you guys can help out! :)
Heres my rig:
MSI K9A2 Platinum 1.1 bios
Phenom 9600BE 2.3ghz (stock)
eVGA Geforce 8800gt SC
2x2gb G.skill DDR2-1000
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250gb
Antec Earthwatts 500W PSU
i think thats it...
:welcome: D4!!
Pretty sure everyone would agree the 1.13 Betas are by far the best Bios, although I haven't used the 1.1's, I did try 1.2 and went right back to 1.13..
What the... Tornado Sirens are going off here, better check the weather channel...
Welcome. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by d412k5t412
I would move over to the 1.13 BETA as Dave suggested, it is much better for oc and will give good performance compared to the others.
Have you modified VID/Volts with your oc's yet?
What about trying the HT ref.?
What CPU cooling are you using and what are the case ambient temps like?
What is your stock VID/Voltage?
Does AOD work for you?
When you oc, leave the RAM in Ganged DCT mode for starters. ;)
Dave, if a tornado strikes be sure to pack off your Phenom to me before that! :p:
does pcie speed lock @ 100mhz on this board?cant see any option at the bios...
That was wierd!! I'm no pup, and I've never seen weather like that in February before, it actually got pretty scary for a few minutes.. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
D4, the thing that helped me most was lowering CPU VID to 24 (1.25v). Stock on my machine was 28 (1.20v). Every Phenom seems to have it's own personality, but If I had a BE I would leave CPU VDDC at Auto and just lower CPU VID when needed, although I'm not sure anything under 18 (1.325v) would offer much extra...
KTE posted a table of VIDS/FIDS a few pages back (Very Helpful!)
I actually typed a more detailed message but my machine locked up...:(
I've been running these settings for a few days and I really thought it was stable... :brick:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...206_254x10.jpg
At boot-up, yes. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by madfaze
how about when you oveclock?!Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
is it still locked @ 100mhz?:confused: