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09-14-2009, 08:47 PM
Sh1tyMcGee

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Originally Posted by eric66

in games it doesn't matter if its phenom or intel cpu especially if res is high

Actually the only reason why thats true is games dont use much cpu at high resolutions, also when AA and AF is applied, the GPU does 90% of the workload.
09-14-2009, 08:51 PM
T2k

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Originally Posted by MirageSys

More like one of the worst coded games and a half-assed console port.

QFT though you forgot to mention it looks like :banana::banana::banana::banana: at the same time...
09-14-2009, 09:00 PM
Clairvoyant129

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Originally Posted by eric66

in games it doesn't matter if its phenom or intel cpu especially if res is high

It does matter, for games such as GTA IV, Supreme Commander and others. Also minimum FPS is some what dependent on the CPU.

Lastly, I was commenting on the fact that HD5870 was benched with a i7 CPU on 3DMark Vantage, which is heavily CPU dependent.
09-14-2009, 09:00 PM
T2k

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

Some guy said 5870x2 will be around $500 - how's that gonna happen when 5870 itself is about $400?

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Originally Posted by thebluemeanie1

By the time the 5870X2 comes out the 5870 will probably have had a few price cuts.:)

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

the prices of the 5870 could come down to 300ish by the time the x2 is out, and a price of 600 for an x2 would make much more sense. 500 is very doubtful if the x1 cards are anybit above 275.

Literally all previous ATI cards hit the streets below MSRP and as other already pointed out by the time X2 arrives singlet will slip even further.

Ahh and a $600 X2 would not make any sense at all if singlet would dip so low - the point in X2's price is to be cheaper than 2 cards to lure more people into CF.... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I expect a ~$250 5850, a ~$350 5870 and a $450-500 X2 by the time holiday season starts (late November)...
09-14-2009, 09:00 PM
Sh1tyMcGee

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Originally Posted by T2k

QFT though you forgot to mention it looks like :banana::banana::banana::banana: at the same time...

I actually enjoyed every minute of GTA 4, cant wait for 5, hope its longer, 4 was wayyyy to short, you can tell most of the concentration was on graphics and looks of the world.
09-14-2009, 09:03 PM
T2k

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Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee

I actually enjoyed every minute of GTA 4, cant wait for 5, hope its longer, 4 was wayyyy to short, you can tell most of the concentration was on graphics and looks of the world.

:eek::shocked:...that makes it look even worse...:shrug:
09-14-2009, 09:14 PM
Telperion

GTA IV, while not graphically astounding, was extremely graphically immersive. Granted the two aren't mutually exclusive and they could have done both, but it did draw you in.
09-14-2009, 09:16 PM
annihilat0r

Do you guys know about the microstuttering in 4870x2 compared to 4870 CF? Is it different?
09-14-2009, 09:25 PM
Sh1tyMcGee

GTA4 was very impressive, maybe not the best graphics out there, but its like nothing else, its a living world in a video game, just amazing. You gotta appreciate it, great work by the designers to make this world. Every GTA game since GTA 3 has been amazing, my fav. being Vice City, thats one of my fav games of all time.
09-14-2009, 09:25 PM
003

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

Do you guys know about the microstuttering in 4870x2 compared to 4870 CF? Is it different?

Nope, it's the same.
09-14-2009, 09:54 PM
annihilat0r

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Originally Posted by 003

Nope, it's the same.

Hmm. So I can just get a 5870 and get another if I feel like it, instead of waiting for 5870x2.
09-14-2009, 10:01 PM
T2k

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Originally Posted by Telperion

GTA IV, while not graphically astounding, was extremely graphically immersive. Granted the two aren't mutually exclusive and they could have done both, but it did draw you in.

STALKERs - they are immersive and Clear Sky also delivered high-end DX10.1 graphics. And all this is from a tiny dev company from Ukraine...
09-14-2009, 10:04 PM
T2k

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

Do you guys know about the microstuttering in 4870x2 compared to 4870 CF? Is it different?

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Originally Posted by 003

Nope, it's the same.

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

Hmm. So I can just get a 5870 and get another if I feel like it, instead of waiting for 5870x2.

I haven't noticed any stuttering w/ my 4850 X2 2GB...

...here I still hope Sapphire will again make something unique and come out with a 5850 x2 2GB card by Christmas. :yepp::yepp::yepp:
09-14-2009, 10:12 PM
Sly Fox

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Originally Posted by T2k

I haven't noticed any stuttering w/ my 4850 X2 2GB...

...here I still hope Sapphire will again make something unique and come out with a 5850 x2 2GB card by Christmas. :yepp::yepp::yepp:

I haven't used crossfire since I experimented with two 3870's and then later a 3870X2, but it might just depend on the game you're playing.

In my experience anyways I found that (for example) Crysis stuttered so painfully that it was completely unplayable while it was smooth and clean on my 8800 GTS, while CoD4 seemed stutter-free.

This is all anecdotal though. :D
09-14-2009, 10:12 PM
STEvil

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Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee

Actually the only reason why thats true is games dont use much cpu at high resolutions, also when AA and AF is applied, the GPU does 90% of the workload.

Incorrect.

At high resolution the GPU becomes the bottleneck of the system.
09-14-2009, 10:22 PM
annihilat0r

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Originally Posted by STEvil

Incorrect.

At high resolution the GPU becomes the bottleneck of the system.

I agree. Saying that games don't use much CPU in high resolutions is incorrect. What happens is, as the resolution goes up, GPU workload increases linearly while CPU workload doesn't increase that much. So GPU becomes the bottleneck.
09-14-2009, 10:26 PM
T2k

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Originally Posted by Sly Fox

I haven't used crossfire since I experimented with two 3870's and then later a 3870X2, but it might just depend on the game you're playing.

Beyond Steam I play WaW, STALKERs, Fallout 3, UT3 etc and will start RF:G today (via Steam.)

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In my experience anyways I found that (for example) Crysis stuttered so painfully that it was completely unplayable while it was smooth and clean on my 8800 GTS, while CoD4 seemed stutter-free.

This is all anecdotal though. :D

Ahhh, Crysis...

...that explains everything - it's not the card's fault, OK.:rolleyes:
09-14-2009, 10:30 PM
astrallite

Lol even the HD 5870 isn't going to be the panacea to Crysis, maybe the 6870 or GTX 480 will do it.
09-14-2009, 10:31 PM
Sly Fox

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Originally Posted by T2k

Beyond Steam I play WaW, STALKERs, Fallout 3, UT3 etc and will start RF:G today (via Steam.)

Ahhh, Crysis...

...that explains everything - it's not the card's fault, OK.:rolleyes:

Well like I said I only used it on the 3XXX series cards, and there were reports that the 4XXX cards had (at the very least) much less microstutter.

They may have none for all I know. But I definitely found some games exacerbated things back then at least.
09-14-2009, 10:46 PM
largon

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Originally Posted by gOJDO

Now we need somebody to discover a voltmod and anti OVP, so we can start a hardcore OC-ing when the 5870's will hit the shelves.

The same softmods that work for HD487/90 works for HD5870 too.
And as such, there's no need for an OVP mod either.
09-14-2009, 10:48 PM
Sh1tyMcGee

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Originally Posted by astrallite

Lol even the HD 5870 isn't going to be the panacea to Crysis, maybe the 6870 or GTX 480 will do it.

Forget crysis, the 5870 cannot even play STALKER clear sky at 1680x1050 with max settings.
09-14-2009, 10:51 PM
zerazax

Regarding microstuttering: None on the 4870X2. For the most part it seems, ATI fixed the issues the 38xx series had so take that for what its worth

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Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee

Forget crysis, the 5870 cannot even play STALKER clear sky at 1680x1050 with max settings.

Now Stalker is a legitimately poorly coded game. If a company can't even fix obvious bugs in its code, what hope do we have that they optimize the game?
09-14-2009, 11:02 PM
iTravis

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Originally Posted by vegettoxp

Thank you for your input. I had a crazy feeling that it was my video card. I have been a Big nvidia Fan, but I think I will give a try to ATI for once and see how things are. It was crazy, because I enjoy playing games on PC, but when I see better Graphic on the 360, it makes me go Banana. Well I will wait for the official ATI Release and see whats 58xx Fits my need.

My Graphic Card Usage:

I have a 22" LCD now, but I am planning to get me a TV 42" that I will hookup my computer too. So Your Thoughts on This? Samsung TV Of Course. Can Recommendationa?

For now I will be playing games on 22" LCD, but future Bigger Screen.

Josh:welcome:

That's odd since when I got my 8800GTX, I prefer PC gaming hand down since it always looks better compare to the 360, of course when it's not a poor port from console. So you'll be game @1080p or 1920x1080 resolution and like I said, the HD4890 or GTX 275 can handle at that resolution easy. Your best bet would be wait until next week when the HD58xx series out and decide from there. I'm sure you'll great gaming experience with either HD5870 or HD5850 anyway.
Speaking of monitor vs TV, I know lot of people wanna play games on their big screen TV but I'm not one of them. I'm good with gaming @2560x1600 or even @1920x1200. Samsung is way to go since they're one of the best TV manufacturer out there, shoot for their latest 7 series if you could. :D
09-14-2009, 11:11 PM
lowdog

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Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee

Forget crysis, the 5870 cannot even play STALKER clear sky at 1680x1050 with max settings.

Don't know who's (_!_) you pulled this from.......wait!, perhaps you already have the card and have tested this game already :shakes:
09-14-2009, 11:11 PM
blindbox

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Originally Posted by JohnZS

That is an extremely GPU limited situation, going by those scores the core i870 is just as powerful as the mighty Core i7 975. We all know that this is NOT the case.

Lower the resolution to say 1920 or in DirectX 10 games a lower res and you will see that the CPU with the most muscle will produce higher scores. Core i7 is much better than any AMD CPU product out there right now. AMD make second tier CPU's. Intel make the real performance chips.

However Core i5 IMHO isn't as good as Phenom II (both are 2nd tier CPU's but AMD the edge here).

It would be interesting to see when the new generation of GPU's from ATi and nVidia are out to re-run that crysis test you quoted. I am sure that the Core i7 will pull away from the rest if these new cards are powerful.

John

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=807&p=4 1920x1200 bottleneck is a GTX295.

Real CPU bottlenecks come probably during CF 5870, though we all know that single chip uses less processing power than dual chip cards, so a single 5870 does not necessarily strain the processor as much as a single GTX295.

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