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11-11-2010, 08:32 AM
JF-AMD

Next generation and enhanced are only labels and modifiers, they are not product names.
11-11-2010, 08:42 AM
Mats

Sn0wm@n:
First you tell me speculating should be avoided, pointing at JF's qoute, fair enough.
Suddently, when Informal replies to me with more speculation it's alright with you, hypocrisy!:rofl:

If you would have bothered reading my posts you'd know why speculating is all we can do.

AMD can tell us that you need new sockets on the server side, but they keep quiet about all client sockets in the slides, that's unusual.

It's not the end of the world if AM3+ boards doesn't work with Komodo, but I think it's people's right to be aware of it, before they go AM3+ in the first place.

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Originally Posted by informal

Who's to say that new AM3+ boards are not designed with Komodo(and possible PCIex integration) in mind? AMD did similar thing with MC&BD and G34/C32,compatibility wise.They designed the platform for future MPUs and their (more) advanced feature sets.

It's possible, of course, but the idea of a socket that works with either PCIe on- or off-die sounds far fetched to me.
After all, they're replacing G34/C32, possibly for the same reason.
11-11-2010, 08:44 AM
Florinmocanu

yeah, but it will be a new product in the future. BD 2.0 is a new product of the future, that's the meaning that sampsa gave to those two denomination.

So, Next gen bulldozer would be to next year bulldozer what nehalem was to conroe. While the enhanced will be like penryn, an improvement of an existing product.
11-11-2010, 09:01 AM
FlanK3r

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF-AMD

Next generation and enhanced are only labels and modifiers, they are not product names.

its only simillary as Phenom to Phenom II shrink.
11-11-2010, 05:47 PM
570091D

@ mats
save your sanity and use the ignore list ;)
11-11-2010, 11:23 PM
ajaidev

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mats

Sn0wm@n:
First you tell me speculating should be avoided, pointing at JF's qoute, fair enough.
Suddently, when Informal replies to me with more speculation it's alright with you, hypocrisy!:rofl:

If you would have bothered reading my posts you'd know why speculating is all we can do.

AMD can tell us that you need new sockets on the server side, but they keep quiet about all client sockets in the slides, that's unusual.

It's not the end of the world if AM3+ boards doesn't work with Komodo, but I think it's people's right to be aware of it, before they go AM3+ in the first place.

It's possible, of course, but the idea of a socket that works with either PCIe on- or off-die sounds far fetched to me.
After all, they're replacing G34/C32, possibly for the same reason.

Well i know that the socket used for SNB will most likely work for IVB "It is suppose to be compatible" but Intel did not give any confirmation did it?

Also Haswell has sever limitations in compatibility with the SNB socket. There are three designs making the rounds for Haswell and i hope the old SNB socket is not used or it will be a bottleneck.

I think that AM3+ works with Komodo well at least partially maybe the APU part is not used at all or something like that. There has been a history of AMD with socket and semi compatibility "AM2-AM2+-AM3" and now "AM3-AM3+"

Given the news that old AM3 CPU's can work on AM3+ mobo's it might be also true that Komodo can work with AM3+ to maintain partial compatibility.

You all think that Intel had to change the socket from 1156 to 1155 because it was creating a problem due to the integrated IGP well its not all true. SNB could work of 1156 but Intel chose 1155 because of two reasons first was better performance and second was IVB compatibility. Then again 1156 was also chose because of similar reasons but it did not work out.

In the end "too many cooks spoil the tandoori chicken" :D Intel has several voices and can change its mind about several aspects and specifications its not logical to keep to what they think is right at a particular point of time or they will suffer performance cap's.
11-12-2010, 12:31 AM
-Boris-

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mats

Sn0wm@n:
First you tell me speculating should be avoided, pointing at JF's qoute, fair enough.
Suddently, when Informal replies to me with more speculation it's alright with you, hypocrisy!:rofl:

If you would have bothered reading my posts you'd know why speculating is all we can do.

AMD can tell us that you need new sockets on the server side, but they keep quiet about all client sockets in the slides, that's unusual.

It's not the end of the world if AM3+ boards doesn't work with Komodo, but I think it's people's right to be aware of it, before they go AM3+ in the first place.

It's possible, of course, but the idea of a socket that works with either PCIe on- or off-die sounds far fetched to me.
After all, they're replacing G34/C32, possibly for the same reason.

If they admitted that AM3+ would be compatible with Komodo it would be to easy to apply the C2012 specs on AM3+, and thus predict some of the surprises with AM3+ that is responsible for the scraped compatibility with AM3. ;)
11-12-2010, 01:19 AM
Mechanical Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajaidev

...

I think that AM3+ works with Komodo well at least partially maybe the APU part is not used at all or something like that. There has been a history of AMD with socket and semi compatibility "AM2-AM2+-AM3" and now "AM3-AM3+"
...

Komodo is not APU.
11-12-2010, 02:46 AM
FlanK3r

ajaidev:right, its not APU, JF said it.
11-12-2010, 07:17 AM
hyc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sampsa

Thanks for your answer even though I didn't fully understand it :)

One slide shows Komodo and Trinity being based on Next Generation Bulldozer architecture in 2012 and another slide showing Next Generation Bulldozer coming in 2013 :) How can there be products in 2012 based on architecture coming in 2013 :)

You guys all make such a fuss over nothing. Clearly the slides are only meant to say "the next round of enhancements to Bulldozer that will show up in 2012" and "the next generation of Bulldozer that will show up in 2013" - there is no further significance to those tags.

The point is only to show that the BD chips of 2012 and 2013 will be further evolved than the chips of 2011. This is hardly a shocking revelation.
11-12-2010, 07:24 AM
SandyTunnel

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyc

You guys all make such a fuss over nothing. Clearly the slides are only meant to say "the next round of enhancements to Bulldozer that will show up in 2012" and "the next generation of Bulldozer that will show up in 2013" - there is no further significance to those tags.

Bulldozers are often used to move huge piles of crap from one place to another. I wonder if AMD's choice of nomenclature is to just combat the Intel hype over Sandy Bridge?

:)
11-12-2010, 09:34 AM
MrMojoZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by SandyTunnel

Bulldozers are often used to move huge piles of crap from one place to another. I wonder if AMD's choice of nomenclature is to just combat the Intel hype over Sandy Bridge?

:)

What?
11-12-2010, 09:48 AM
SandyTunnel

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMojoZ

What?

Marketing is sometimes subtle, sometimes not so subtle. I think Intel is getting more exposure on Sandy Bridge than any AMD tech or near-future tech at the moment. So, I was wondering, does their code name "bulldozer" reflect their marketing team's frustration?

Since you can "push" a sand castle over with a plastic shovel, how much more can you do with a bulldozer?
11-12-2010, 09:56 AM
BrowncoatGR

Quote:

Originally Posted by SandyTunnel

Marketing is sometimes subtle, sometimes not so subtle. I think Intel is getting more exposure on Sandy Bridge than any AMD tech or near-future tech at the moment. So, I was wondering, does their code name "bulldozer" reflect their marketing team's frustration?

Since you can "push" a sand castle over with a plastic shovel, how much more can you do with a bulldozer?

Since the codename is several years old you can draw your own conclusions. Apparently the K in AMD codenames stands for Kryptonite to defeat "Superman"(aka Intel) ;)
11-12-2010, 09:58 AM
slaveondope

Anyways.
Bulldozer can come out behind SandyBridge in single threaded task for all I care.
Its still a much more interesting approach than the tock that SB is for things to come from cpu arch.
11-12-2010, 09:59 AM
Tomasis

Quote:

Originally Posted by SandyTunnel

Since you can "push" a sand castle over with a plastic shovel, how much more can you do with a bulldozer?

Sandytunnel, bulldozer can dig into and make sand tunnel :rofl:
11-12-2010, 10:56 AM
JF-AMD

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Boris-

If they admitted that AM3+ would be compatible with Komodo it would be to easy to apply the C2012 specs on AM3+, and thus predict some of the surprises with AM3+ that is responsible for the scraped compatibility with AM3. ;)

C2012 is a server architecture, don't try to make client comparisons from that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SandyTunnel

Bulldozers are often used to move huge piles of crap from one place to another. I wonder if AMD's choice of nomenclature is to just combat the Intel hype over Sandy Bridge?

:)

The original architecture were all hammers (i.e. jackhammer, sledgehammer, etc.)

These new cores are all heavy equipment (bulldozer, bobcat, etc.)
11-12-2010, 10:57 AM
Manicdan

i thought bobcat was a brand of equipment, not a type
(but its not my industry either)
11-12-2010, 10:59 AM
MrMojoZ

Bobcat is somewhat specific to small/compact loaders. Good fit for the chips they represent.
11-12-2010, 11:27 AM
kuroikenshi

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF-AMD

C2012 is a server architecture, don't try to make client comparisons from that.

These new cores are all heavy equipment (bulldozer, bobcat, etc.)

I would not address a bobcat as heavy, just a cute little machine... maybe I can buy 1 Komodo and use it to build my swimming pool...;););)
11-12-2010, 12:22 PM
SandyTunnel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomasis

Sandytunnel, bulldozer can dig into and make sand tunnel :rofl:

ha ha ha :D
11-12-2010, 12:56 PM
Aerwidh

Quote:

Originally Posted by SandyTunnel

Bulldozers are often used to move huge piles of crap from one place to another. I wonder if AMD's choice of nomenclature is to just combat the Intel hype over Sandy Bridge?

:)

What, would AMD be trying to insinuate that they are going to bulldoze away the sand from Intel's bridge? :D
11-12-2010, 01:17 PM
kuroikenshi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerwidh

What, would AMD be trying to insinuate that they are going to bulldoze away the sand from Intel's bridge? :D

no, they're going to steal all the sand required to make wafers and thus reducing their supply to the market :D ... yaaargh!! perfect! (pirate voice)
11-12-2010, 03:14 PM
FlanK3r

Last it was Stars (K10 Family) and now will be architecture construction machines, but name of dekstop products will be geographical names...
11-12-2010, 05:34 PM
SandyTunnel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerwidh

What, would AMD be trying to insinuate that they are going to bulldoze away the sand from Intel's bridge? :D

Either that or just making a bigger mountain out of a molehill, like Intel has done. Sandy Bridge round 1 will be 85% of the speed of the Gulftown, you watch :)

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