Bulldozer Die Shot!

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09-01-2010, 03:57 PM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by Mats

Heh, I knew I'd forgotten something...

Do you mean TDP or TDP/MB L2 cache?

tdp as in power draw ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

That's an easy riddle :D
"You" are :drumroll: : The IPC decrease man ! The more you post ,the more it decreases :rofl:

by the amount of post bulldozer would perform much like an old 80's cpu ....
09-01-2010, 04:42 PM
radaja

how sad,he's not even here,yet he still controls AMD threads:clap:
09-01-2010, 04:48 PM
570091D

this thread is strong with the fanboi-force...
09-01-2010, 04:55 PM
Sn0wm@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by 570091D

this thread is strong with the fanboi-force...

:lsfight: :D
09-01-2010, 04:59 PM
JumpingJack

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Originally Posted by 570091D

this thread is strong with the fanboi-farce...

Fixed. :) :up: n (TBH -- I don't really see the fanboy crappola in this thread like we saw in the other BD thread).
09-01-2010, 05:47 PM
haylui

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

Who am I?

''From that die shot I can tell that the IPC/TDP/mm2/frequency/L2/L3/socket pins is definitely much lower than Phenom II, plus the '32nm Orochi Die' description is clear evidence that Bulldozer is DELAYED by 3 quarters and will launch in Q3 2012. It's all there.''

this is funny
i'd lol
09-01-2010, 08:20 PM
Calmatory

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

:lsfight: :D

AMD vs. Nvidia. Or internal fight between AMD vs. ATI.
09-01-2010, 08:53 PM
vietthanhpro

Note :
This is:
http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/t...uoihanoi-1.jpg
09-01-2010, 11:51 PM
meyns

Isn't it possible that this is only a part of a full die?
A full die shot has on all the sides a blue ribbon that states the division between the processors on a wafer for the cutting (I think). This die shot has only two sides with a ribben (top and right) seems to me that this is not the full die?

Compare that to a full die shot of istanbul.

Still doesn't explain the reasen why the different pieces are not the same size.
09-01-2010, 11:54 PM
Oliverda

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Originally Posted by Mechanical Man

Is it not? How can u know?

I have two good eyes.;)
09-02-2010, 01:03 AM
fellix_bg

Looks like AMD photochop goons messed up not only the CPU cores, but a part of IMC/NB area:

http://a.imageshack.us/img521/2912/65142382.jpg

The structures, highlighted in the green rectangle, have been clone-stamped over and over again with patterns from the IMC/NB to the right side, to fill out (completely conceal) something equally important to the cores.

I can only speculate, that this is an L3 directory cache and routing logic, if we are to believe the four L3 partitions are private to each "module".
09-02-2010, 01:12 AM
-Boris-

Quote:

Originally Posted by fellix_bg

Looks like AMD photochop goons messed up not only the CPU cores, but a part of IMC/NB area:

The structures, highlighted in the green rectangle, have been clone-stamped over and over again with patterns from the IMC/NB to the right side, to fill out (completely conceal) something equally important to the cores.

I can only speculate, that this is an L3 directory cache and routing logic, if we are to believe the four L3 partitions are private to each "module".

Nice find, interesting that they conceal such a large part of the die. (edit: IT'S THE NINTH CORE! :O)

I wonder why there is so much "wasted" die space, so much brown areas that don't seem to do much at all. Is it all decaps?
09-02-2010, 01:35 AM
kadozer

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Originally Posted by fellix_bg

They learned from Nvidia, I guess? :rolleyes:

http://a.imageshack.us/img266/6173/01192453925l1.jpg

:rofl::rofl::rofl::up:
09-02-2010, 02:42 AM
SubZero.it

Wait wait...no hexa core for bulldozzer?
09-02-2010, 03:08 AM
JF-AMD

Quote:

Originally Posted by meyns

Isn't it possible that this is only a part of a full die?
A full die shot has on all the sides a blue ribbon that states the division between the processors on a wafer for the cutting (I think). This die shot has only two sides with a ribben (top and right) seems to me that this is not the full die?

Compare that to a full die shot of istanbul.

Still doesn't explain the reasen why the different pieces are not the same size.

A.) that is a full 8-core die
B. Please read the thread for all of your other answers.
09-02-2010, 03:11 AM
-Boris-

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Originally Posted by SubZero.it

Wait wait...no hexa core for bulldozzer?

No native hexacore, but AMD might disable one of the modules you see in the dieshot to make one.
09-02-2010, 03:15 AM
Sn0wm@n

or make a 3 module hexacore .... anyway anything is possible but one thing is for sure ... 32nm and 22nm are going to be epic on the amd side
09-02-2010, 03:33 AM
Mechanical Man

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Originally Posted by -Boris-

No native hexacore, but AMD might disable one of the modules you see in the dieshot to make one.

Or two different cores in two different modules...
09-02-2010, 03:46 AM
-Boris-

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

or make a 3 module hexacore .... anyway anything is possible but one thing is for sure ... 32nm and 22nm are going to be epic on the amd side

A native hexacore is very unlikely, it would need a total redesign of the ship to put three modules in line. Probably better to just disable 4-module chips.

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Originally Posted by Mechanical Man

Or two different cores in two different modules...

I doubt that is possible, the cores share to much parts within a module. You would only turn of the integers, all other parts still has to be activated.
09-02-2010, 04:05 AM
madcho

Check this two roadmaps :

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/..._2008_2011.png
http://img13.abload.de/img/amd_deskt...map_bil0sg.jpg

I think AMD choosen to Show us the die of Orochi. A BD core seem to be canceled, i would say BD1.
It's clear the second roadmap is less old, with thuban and AM3r2 for BD.

So i think Orochi was BD1, Zambezi is BD2, the real BD incoming.
And lynx maintream have a GPU on die, it's not for only low end. !!!
09-02-2010, 04:19 AM
BatteryOperated

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Originally Posted by hurleybird

Well, that makes things less cut and dry. Did you change the *shapes* of the modules and L2 cache or not? that's what everyone wants to know. I mean, if you just blurred and obscured the sensitive stuff it's obviously still legit, but it seems that if you would go as far as changing up the shapes and sized of cache and cores that would make it 'fake'.

Good heavens!
If you stare hard and long enough, you will discover a McDonald's BigMac nestled next to the L1D structure.
09-02-2010, 04:26 AM
informal

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Originally Posted by madcho

So i think Orochi was BD1, Zambezi is BD2, the real BD incoming.
And lynx maintream have a GPU on die, it's not for only low end. !!!

No. IIIRC Orochi(the name of the chip family) is Bulldozer(code name for the whole next gen core design) that was always slated for 2011.The "BD 1" was a 45nm version that was never on the 2011 roadmap. Zambezi is the code name for the desktop parts in the Orochi group.
09-02-2010, 04:36 AM
EvilOne

The new design is fully modular(M-Space), in theory they should be able to swap diffrent core types/GPU cores round in almost any combination. Think the first few with BD cpu's will only have BD cores in and they will save the mixing and matching till after that's out the door. Looks like they have 4 modules slots to play with at 28nm. If the GPU modules turn out good, they could put 2 of those into those slots and have an amazing all in 1 chip for gamers. Extreme gamers will still be using the tri-xfire/sli setups tho :)
09-02-2010, 04:39 AM
Motiv

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Originally Posted by madcho

Check this two roadmaps :

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/..._2008_2011.png
http://img13.abload.de/img/amd_deskt...map_bil0sg.jpg

I think AMD choosen to Show us the die of Orochi. A BD core seem to be canceled, i would say BD1.
It's clear the second roadmap is less old, with thuban and AM3r2 for BD.

So i think Orochi was BD1, Zambezi is BD2, the real BD incoming.
And lynx maintream have a GPU on die, it's not for only low end. !!!

If orochi was "BD1", why are they showing it on the 32nm node, when BD1 was 45nm?

Surely this is nothing more than a 32nm DB, with photoshopping and pixelating to stop those evil and dastardly Intel spies?
09-02-2010, 05:12 AM
Sn0wm@n

cant wait till amd shows us some numbers :D

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