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03-16-2010, 03:55 PM
radaja

Quote:

Originally Posted by Movieman

You took the words right out of my mouth.
Same old story, someone posts the thread on one product, the roaches come out of the woodwork to dump on it.
I'm sitting here asking myself what has to happen for this crap to stop?
Do we have to block all the fanboi's from the news,AMD and Intel sections?
Discussion is one thing. Blatant trolling and intentional misinformation is another.

yea i agree.this is getting so ridiculous lately.intel & AMD both make such great
products,why do we need to choose.only the fanboys seem to think its
one or the other.i choose both AMD and intel = 100% of the fun to be had:up:
03-16-2010, 03:55 PM
onex

Quote:

Anyone know the differences between the w3680 and the i7-980x? Does the Xeon have the same unlocked multi?

different memory speeds and probably ECC support for the W3680..:

http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?id...23,47926,37104,
03-16-2010, 03:56 PM
anubis

Quote:

Originally Posted by onex

hm..
this dual magny-cours's @2992 has managed to bypass 2x980's @3315 on wPrime 1024m..

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7592/wprime29b.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9771/cropper5.png

..:)

Edit:
sorry, missed u MovieMan..

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Sweeper_

too bad the fastest magny cours will be clocked at 2.3ghz uh? ;)

isnt that from s7eph3ns [sorry if i misspell] old many cours thread? Anyways, always nice to have competition :) And FYI xeons arent supposed to be OCd either, doesnt stop anyone from doing it...
03-16-2010, 03:59 PM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by radaja

yea i agree.this is getting so ridiculous lately.intel & AMD both make such great
products,why do we need to choose.only the fanboys seem to think its
one or the other.i choose both AMD and intel = 100% of the fun to be had:up:

I've been trying to get this across to everyone for the last 4 years.
Both of them make excellent products.
Sure at any one time one will be better than another but that is due to timing in R&D and who hits the market first.
Same with video cards and everything else in life.
What frosts my balls is the perceived need in some people and the companies themselves to feel they have to dump on the competition.
There's more to say on this and hopefully won't need to be said in the open forum. I just hope the people involved can take a hint before it gets to an all out war.
03-16-2010, 04:09 PM
-Sweeper_

Quote:

Originally Posted by anubis

isnt that from s7eph3ns [sorry if i misspell] old many cours thread? Anyways, always nice to have competition :) And FYI xeons arent supposed to be OCd either, doesnt stop anyone from doing it...

nice, compare those results to a similar OCed gulfy then.... :up:
03-16-2010, 04:21 PM
onex

Quote:

too bad the fastest magny cours will be clocked at 2.3ghz uh? ;)

yeah, and will cost the same as the 2.26 6 cores intel's :),
maybe wPrime isn't a full capabilities benchmarking tool, yet, it isn't that bad if it can pass a 980 scaled 300M higher :up:..

hh,
for whoever asked.. ;) ^^up there..

the W3680 and the 980XE has different memory speeds and the earlier should support ECC either ->

http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?id...23,47926,37104,

:)
03-16-2010, 04:41 PM
Blauhung

Quote:

Originally Posted by onex

yeah, and will cost the same as the 2.26 6 cores intel's :),
maybe wPrime isn't a full capabilities benchmarking tool, yet, it isn't that bad if it can pass a 980 scaled 300M higher :up:..

hh,
for whoever asked.. ;) ^^up there..

the W3680 and the 980XE has different memory speeds and the earlier should support ECC either ->

http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?id...23,47926,37104,

:)

The Xeon chips also go through more validation then the i7's so you are getting one that should be more reliable. They also setup some pre-fetch and other processing priorities a bit differently i think. As for binning, There's a chance that the Xeon chips might come from a slightly better pool of die, but that's just guessing on my part.
03-16-2010, 04:47 PM
Sam_oslo

Quote:

Originally Posted by affiliate13

When you have time, could we see some higher BCLK figures please?
Thanks. :D

This was the first attempt, and I'm working on it :). Posting results on Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7 OC-Tips-Bios-Discussion Thread as it progresses.
03-16-2010, 04:47 PM
onex

Quote:

The Xeon chips also go through more validation then the i7's so you are getting one that should be more reliable. They also setup some pre-fetch and other processing priorities a bit differently i think. As for binning, There's a chance that the Xeon chips might come from a slightly better pool of die, but that's just guessing on my part.

hhm, that very good info :),

Quote:

There's a chance that the Xeon chips might come from a slightly better pool of die

that indeed could be possible :yepp: :up:.
03-16-2010, 04:52 PM
-Sweeper_

Quote:

Originally Posted by onex

yeah, and will cost the same as the 2.26 6 cores intel's :),
maybe wPrime isn't a full capabilities benchmarking tool, yet, it isn't that bad if it can pass a 980 scaled 300M higher :up:..

hh,
for whoever asked.. ;) ^^up there..

the W3680 and the 980XE has different memory speeds and the earlier should support ECC either ->

http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?id...23,47926,37104,

:)

12-core models
* 6176 SE, 2.3GHz, 105W ACP, $1,599

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/02/...revealed-early

is it wrong?
03-16-2010, 04:56 PM
onex

hrrm,
that is distracting..:shakes:,
JF has said

Quote:

Now, if you are going to bring up cost, I will ask, how many server customers buy those $1669 processors?

that should generally mean they're priced much lower, isn't it..? :wth:..

gulftowns were estimated at 1200$ few month's before they're release date :hm:,
yet, that wasn't a month before they were actually released, and IIRC they're prices were found to be lower some weeks before they actually went out...
..
it wasn't a month (though)...

it doesn't look so promising from that POV...

i'm curious if AMD would eventually pull it..! :shrug:....
03-16-2010, 09:27 PM
trn

Thanks for the helpful reply (and helping to save this thread from the useless Green vs Blue team crap.)

The w3680 looks like a real winner here, the only feature not listed on grid is Unlocked Multiplier. The w3580's had an unlocked multiplier so Id assume the same for the w3680.

980x
VID Voltage Range 0.800V-1.375V

W3680
VID Voltage Range 0.800V-1.300V

Looks like higher binning for the same price to me. I know what i'll be buying.

Quote:

Originally Posted by onex

different memory speeds and probably ECC support for the W3680..:

http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?id...23,47926,37104,
03-16-2010, 10:27 PM
JF-AMD

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Sweeper_

12-core models
* 6176 SE, 2.3GHz, 105W ACP, $1,599

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/02/...revealed-early

is it wrong?

Yes, it is wrong.
03-16-2010, 11:32 PM
zalbard

Quote:

Originally Posted by trn

Anyone know the differences between the w3680 and the i7-980x? Does the Xeon have the same unlocked multi?

I think so.
Xeon doesn't seem to be worth it at all.
03-17-2010, 12:04 AM
trn

Time will tell, but for the same $ of close i'm going to get the Xeon equivalent based on my past i7-920 vs w3520 experience and this:

980x
VID Voltage Range 0.800V-1.375V

W3680
VID Voltage Range 0.800V-1.300V

Quote:

Originally Posted by zalbard

I think so.
Xeon doesn't seem to be worth it at all.
03-17-2010, 08:03 AM
hollo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Movieman

I've been trying to get this across to everyone for the last 4 years.
Both of them make excellent products.
Sure at any one time one will be better than another but that is due to timing in R&D and who hits the market first.
Same with video cards and everything else in life.
What frosts my balls is the perceived need in some people and the companies themselves to feel they have to dump on the competition.
There's more to say on this and hopefully won't need to be said in the open forum. I just hope the people involved can take a hint before it gets to an all out war.

:yepp: :up: http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/s...&postcount=367
03-17-2010, 08:35 AM
Sam_oslo

Quote:

Originally Posted by trn

Time will tell, but for the same $ of close i'm going to get the Xeon equivalent based on my past i7-920 vs w3520 experience and this:

980x
VID Voltage Range 0.800V-1.375V

W3680
VID Voltage Range 0.800V-1.300V

True, a Xeon would probably be a better binding with better OC headroom, but it will probably depend more on batch# than the model#, as before.
On a equal batch#, the Xeon will be worth the extra pennies (compared to the total price), I believe.
03-17-2010, 10:04 AM
alfaunits

Some interesting tests here:
http://www.2cpu.com/contentteller.ph...age=118,1.html
You prolly won't see these tests elsewhere, at last most of them ;)

IMO, the power efficiency is the only impressive thing, the only speedup comes from core count increase (and a few encryption code changes).
03-17-2010, 10:26 AM
hennyo

Does anyone know if the X5680 has an unlocked multiplier, because I was building a new system as soon as I could get my hands on a few GTX480's and I was considering building either a Xeon system based on that chip or a I7 980X system if the Xeon chip didn't have an unlocked multiplier?
03-17-2010, 10:43 AM
onex

huh..?

wth is this:

http://www.2cpu.com/article_images/0..._cineb_pow.png

400W :wth:...?

^^
E:

Quote:

The cream of the crop is the Xeon X5680, a 3.33GHz processor with exactly the same specs as the Core i7 980X, plus of course the second QPI link and dual processor support. It shares the coveted title of definitely the fastest x86 general purpose processor as of today, a position that even AMD's dual-die Magny-Cours monster is unlikely to challenge. I guess the only challenger could be an even faster X5690 stepping up, until Intel's next generation 'Sandy Bridge' high end chippery arrives a year from now. By the way, this processor chip doesn't support unlocked multipliers in its current stepping, however that could change soon.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...up-benchmarked
03-17-2010, 11:12 AM
hennyo

Quote:

Originally Posted by onex

huh..?

why would you need spending another 600$-1200$ just for it being a xeon?

That is simple, because the Xeon, I can have 2 processors instead of one, and I can use a MB that supports USB3 and Sata3. Plus the money difference doesn't mean much to me.

Edit, but being able to overclock one system higher than the other does make a big difference to me.
03-17-2010, 11:12 AM
Sgt.McRuff

Quote:

Originally Posted by onex

huh..?
400W :wth:..:zombie:...

2 cpus 6 sticks of 4gbs of ram and nvidia 3700, 400 watts seems about right.
03-17-2010, 11:15 AM
hennyo

Quote:

Originally Posted by onex

E: it shouldn't be..
these CPU's aren't exactly designated for OCing...

I didn't think they were unlocked, but some of the stuff other people said raised the question, the main reason I was leaning towards the I7 980x.
03-17-2010, 11:31 AM
onex

Quote:

I didn't think they were unlocked, but some of the stuff other people said raised the question, the main reason I was leaning towards the I7 980x.

missed you, have a look at the edit :yepp:^^.

Quote:

2 cpus 6 sticks of 4gbs of ram and nvidia 3700, 400 watts seems about right.

:yepp:

http://www.2cpu.com/article_images/0...e_x264_pow.png

makes sense..:yepp:
03-17-2010, 11:40 AM
trn

The X series Xeon's are only worth the price if used in dual socket mobo's. The W series Xeons are the i7 counterparts (single QPI) and the w3680 is listed by intel as $999; same as the 980x.

And BTW. Anyone know when these Xeon's are suppose to be available?

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