Thanks for letting me know that, I thought that I way loosing the plot.
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Thanks for letting me know that, I thought that I way loosing the plot.
Work has finally begun on the watercooling portion! I will update tomorrow with plenty of pictures :)
Soooo, after 8 hours of work I have completed my system for the most part. All I need to do is change the side panel window to the Black Translucent Acrylic panel I got and sandblast the raven picture on it, get a new PSU that has modular cables (like the Corsair HX1000) and the new AMD PII 965 BE C3 :)
Here are the pictures! Enjoy!
I had some wheels from a CM HAF932 so I decided to use them. It was a pain drilling the holes with the wheels spinning around, I really should have secured them.
http://www.thomasyu.im/wip01.jpg
That hard drive cage had to go, it was taking up too much space! To mount the hard drives I will use a Silverstone 5.25" to 3.5" Bay Converter Kit (best part is, it has the same finish as the case!)
http://www.thomasyu.im/wip02.jpg
The 5870 with the EK block and Bitspower fittings, you can also see that I opted to keep on the back plate.
http://www.thomasyu.im/wip1.jpg
Alphacool NexXxos with Bitspower Fittings and the OCZ XTC Memory Cooler
http://www.thomasyu.im/wip2.jpg
Swiftech MCR220, Enermax Magma Twister 120mm and Bitspower Fittings (final setup the first grill was removed and a UN pump mount was installed there and pump is sitting on top of it) If you carefully under the radiator you will also see that I cut away the the bottom portion of the case to allow airflow :)
http://www.thomasyu.im/wip3.jpg
Bitspower Reservoir and the OCZ XTC Memory Cooler. You can also see the Silverstone 5.25" to 3.5" Bay Converter Kit
http://www.thomasyu.im/wip4.jpg
Almost there! Now to plan the flow and install the power supply and component wiring.
http://www.thomasyu.im/wip5.jpg
One of my crappy sleeving jobs on the Koolance temperature probes.
http://www.thomasyu.im/sleeving.jpg
It's ALIVEEEEEEE!!!! Mwhuhuhua!
http://www.thomasyu.im/inside1.jpg
Here is a shot of the D5 modded with Bitspower top and dress kit in action.
http://www.thomasyu.im/inside2.jpg
Here are 2 side profiles after the water cooling work has been completed.
http://www.thomasyu.im/side.jpg
http://www.thomasyu.im/side2.jpg
A look of what it looks like from the front. The Silverstone Bay Kit fits in very well I must say.
http://www.thomasyu.im/front.jpg
And last but not least a picture of my workstation where I plop my lazy behind everyday :rofl:
http://www.thomasyu.im/whole-setup.jpg
I hope you guys have enjoyed the worklog! Thanks to the XS community for being the much needed inspiration to attempt more complex water cooling system. :toast:
Would anyone know where I could get a power supply extender thing, that makes it stick out of the case a bit? I saw other people with them on their cases but I'm not sure if it is part of the case or a separate item.
Here ya go!Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms
You the man Kibbs, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kibbler
Looks good Ohms, is there any chance you can take a photo of the whole setup, during the day with out the fan lights on.
To the right of the res, is that a Koolance flow meter?
I'll have the unplug the memory cooler, it has no option to turn off the lights which I hate and I may have to remedy that :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by kgtiger
I can indeed take a better picture tomorrow.
And yes, that is a Koolance flow meter, the INS FM-17.
http://www.thomasyu.im/tms-software.jpg
This turn out nice :)
Good job :clap:
Sweet. Thanks Omhs for your fast repy, I am looking forward to the new set of photo's tomorrow.:up:
Thanks also for the shots of the Koolance software, I am also looking forward to playing with the whole Koolance TMS-200 system and flow meter one day to.
Just one thing, in the middle graph below.
Is that purple line the pump 1 or fan 1 and are the temps at idle?
http://www.thomasyu.im/tms-software.jpg
Just a general question
I see in the above graph it states system flow at 0.64GPM/2.42LPM
Is that what most systems are running at?
(As I have know idea)
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ced-G60
The middle one is indeed the fan which was on the automatic control using temperature sensor 3. I was playing Aion Online when I had taken the screenshots so my pc was under a decent load.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kgtiger
As for the pump, I think something is wrong with my tach line because I am not getting any RPM read out.
I have no idea as well. If its 0.64 GPM and there is 60 minutes to an hour it comes out to 38.4 GPH which doesn't sound right to me since Swiftech says the MCP-655 maximum discharge ~ 317 GPH (1200 LPH) @ 24V, since you can only run at 12V using the PSU connector or the TMS-200 it should be 158 GPH, but i'm figuring that is without any restriction in a loop from blocks, radiators and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kgtiger
Ok, fixed the pump tach sensor. It turns out when I was sleeving it I had plugged the wire back into the wrong 3 pin hole :)
Edit: After reading Dsumanik review on the TMS-200. The GPM/LPM flow reading may seem to be correct as he only added a few items to his mini loop and the flow reading went down. The review can be found HERE, in the INS-FM17 section.
http://www.thomasyu.im/tach.jpg
At this point I am definitely thinking of switching my setup to a dual loop.
Using the MCR-220 for the 5870 block, and the MCR-360 for the CPU and chipset.
Wouldn't have to buy much more.
Koolance TMS-200EB Expansion board
Koolance TNK-400 Pump + Reservoir
Koolance INS-FM16 Flow meter
Koolance Coolant temperature sensor plug
UN Designs Pump bracket for DDC
and more tubing and another liter of fluid
It's good to see you have found the challenge with the pump tach sensor.
A comment that Kibbler made to me was, by monitoring and controlling your system by your water temps, as water temps change slowly,
as opposed to air temps which can and do change rapidly.
You can stop the constant on/off cycle you get when only monitoring air.
How is your system being monitored by air or water?
As to the dual loop, looks like you just found a good reason to re-build
Are the above temps at idle?
That's not accurate. Actually my comment was water temps change more gradually than CPU/GPU temps, not air temps. From idle to load the CPU/GPU could quickly jump tens of degrees in a few seconds, then back down from load to idle. This is especially true for how Intel architecture is designed to work i.e. their motto "hurry up and get idle."Quote:
Originally Posted by kgtiger
What that means for you is, if your software adjusts fan voltage (or pump voltage, though pointless) based on a temp probe attached directly to your CPU, it would ramp your fans up and down quickly, basically directly proportional to CPU utilization. That might wear out your parts faster. It might not, but it might.
On the other hand, if you set the software to adjust voltages based on water temp, which rises and falls more gradually, then the respective voltage adjustments would also be more gradual, and ideally-speaking less harsh on your fan circuitry.
The caveat is that CPU/GPU load/idle temps can have a low-high range of tens of degrees, while water temp varies only within a few degrees in a loop. If you're familiar with how to setup temp/voltage ramps in the Koolance software (e.g. something like 60% fan voltage at 30C, up to 100% voltage at 40C), I think you can see that adjusting voltage based on CPU/GPU core temps can give you tens of degrees on granularity, while basing on water temps would only give you a few degrees e.g. 60% fan voltage at 30C, 100% fan voltage at 32C. That may not be responsive enough for you depending on how hard you're cranking your chips.
Lengthy, but hope that clears things up.
What do you mean? Probes 1-4 are flat probes that are attached as close as possible to the cores of the hardware I'm monitoring.Quote:
Originally Posted by kgtiger
1- CPU
2- NB
3- GPU
4- Memory
5- Fluid
The memory sensor is the only thing that isn't 100% accurate as the OCZ XTC memory cooler is blowing down on top of the ram and the sensor crammed in there.
I was playing Aion and had alt tabbed out to take the screenshots.Quote:
Originally Posted by kgtiger
Here you go KgtigerQuote:
Originally Posted by kgtiger
http://www.thomasyu.im/cpu-block2.jpg
http://www.thomasyu.im/inside-nolite.jpg
That really annoys me, I could hear myself saying that I should quote you Kibbler directly from the PM you sent me and yet I still didn't, you think I would have learnt at least that much at my age.:shakes:
Sorry Ohms for giving you miss leading info and thanks heaps Kibbler for straightening out my mess.
You hit the nail right on the head when you said "If you're familiar with how to setup temp/voltage ramps in the Koolance software"
Thats just it, I haven't had the chance to play with it yet.
Thanks again for being on the lookout.:up:
I had to look twice Ohms, at your new avatar, I thought I was in the wrong work log, looks good, I still liked the old one but.
Ahhh, NP! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by kgtiger
Heh, Domo Kun rocks but I had to show my AMD support!Quote:
Originally Posted by kgtiger
Is there a way to get a PSU 12v connector to run at 24v? I really would like to get the D5 running at its max discharge.
Also does anyone know how restrictive going from 1/4" to 1/2" would be? I'm really toying with the idea of integrating a Coolit Boreas MTEC into my loop (without their pump and block of course).
Thanks Ohms for the photos, much appreciated. :up:
Interesting to read that you would like to play with the idea of integrating a Coolit Boreas MTEC into your loop.
While googling "Coolit Boreas MTEC" to find out what it was, I found a review on a customized TJ07 which has a Boreas built into it.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...is-review.html
Is this something like that your thinking of?
No problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by kgtiger
It's the standalone version of what you linked in there. I would remove all of the tubing, pump, and blocks and just use the Fluid heat exchangers, TECs, and the MTEC control center module and integrate that into my loop if I decide to stay single loop and go with a EK D5 Dual top.Quote:
Originally Posted by kgtiger
Well less then a month of owning the Koolance TMS-200 rev 2.2 the board has malfunctioned and constantly alarms when I boot up my PC so I have to RMA the damn thing.
Once I get that back I'll be placing an order for my Phenom-II 965 C3, Enermax Revolution 85+ PSU, DDC/Res combo pump, TMS-200 expansion board and the INS FM 16 flow meter.
After looking over the GPM that the TMS-200 shows my loop seems to be too restrictive with all of the blocks so I am putting the 5870 on a seperate loop using the new pump and the MCR-120x2 radiator.
I'm also DEFINITELY scrapping the idea of integrating the CoolIT Boreas as it will cause further restriction having to go from 1/2" ID to 1/4" back to 1/2" using adapters.
Anyone think its worth it to upgrade my radiators to the thicker XSPC ones? Will I see a decent drop in temperatures? I'm also thinking of switching out my Alphacool Nexxus for a Swiftech Apogee XT.
Hay Ohms I will be looking forward to following you work log on this new loop.
Sorry to hear about the TMS-200, that really sux, however always nice to have a company like Koolance behind you to back you up.
To be honest with you, I don't know how good the Alphacool Nexxus stacks up with temps and restriction. :shrug:
However as the Swiftech Apogee XT offers the best temps at the moment this could be a good move.
I don't know what TIM your using at the moment or if you have seen this.
I have read Vapo's latest TIM Review on Indigo Xtreme vs. AS5, MX-2, IC Diamond, Shin-Etsu X23-7783D
Although Indigo Xtreme is $20.00 for just two applications, it has really offered some outstandind temp reductions.
This is a link to Vapor's review http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=232141
This may well be worth the investment to help pull down your temps by 2-3 plus degrees at a low price compared to other hardware.
Yeah, I read about that Indigo stuff not to long ago, it's interesting to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by kgtiger
Depending how my funds are I may end up upgrading to the Apogee XT now that they have the AMD backplate for it.