UPDATED! 5870X2 & 5850X2 on display

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09-26-2009, 11:14 AM
jfromeo

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Originally Posted by Lightman

How was memory reported in CCC for HD4870X2? As 1GB or 2GB??

1GB, same as GPU-Z.
09-26-2009, 11:16 AM
Lightman

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Originally Posted by jfromeo

1GB, same as GPU-Z.

Thanks!
09-26-2009, 11:21 AM
kadozer

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Originally Posted by eleeter

Any method that is transparent to software. I don't want Crossfire on a stick, I was really hoping AMD would take the X2 to the next level where each GPU had a shared memory pool etc. in other words an actual dual core GPU in function if not in silicon.

Thanks for explaining. Here's to hoping for next year (6series), since the 5 series is going to be the last video cards that will be based on older architecture for AMD.
09-26-2009, 11:59 AM
safan80

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Originally Posted by Xoulz

A single 4870x2 operates in Xfire mode ..?

I bought 2 4780x2s at launch.
09-26-2009, 12:19 PM
villa1n

is that going to be reference cooling for the 5850x2? looks pretty decent
09-26-2009, 12:22 PM
cky2k6

I hope my fullcover block could be ported to a 5870x2, it'll make a nice spring upgrade, once the gt300 lowers the prices.
09-26-2009, 12:30 PM
JoeBar

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Originally Posted by cky2k6

I hope my fullcover block could be ported to a 5870x2, it'll make a nice spring upgrade, once the gt300 lowers the prices.

I highly doubt it... :(
09-26-2009, 01:13 PM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by villa1n

is that going to be reference cooling for the 5850x2? looks pretty decent

I am not sure here, that's two very hot chips. Will see I guess! :D
09-26-2009, 02:21 PM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by grimeleven

Glad they fixed their BIOS on the 58XX, about time they figure that memory caused the heat and adjust it's speed to 300Mhz when Idle. Been doing the Rivatuner Autotuning fix for a while after getting my 4870X2, 40c Idle 67c Load on stock cooler :D. Before doing that i had a room heater as others mentioned, 78c idle 105c Load...

I got my Accelero Xtreme cooler for it in June, temps are now 37 Idle and 55 Load @default powerplay clocks and SILENT, yes that stock cooler sucks and would hope my AC cooler still fit the new X2! :D

Nothing to do with the bios, they had to fix the memory controllers and possibly have something change on the GDDR5.

There was a flickering when the memory clocks changed, which is why they didn't implement the lower memory clocks w/ powerplay.
09-26-2009, 02:39 PM
villa1n

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Originally Posted by zalbard

I am not sure here, that's two very hot chips. Will see I guess! :D

I prefer open air cooling into the case because my ultrakazes solve that problem for me ^^, with closed reference cooling i m at its mercy
09-26-2009, 03:03 PM
WorshipMe

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Between the two cores, it looks like a PLX chip is still there

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Any method that is transparent to software. I don't want Crossfire on a stick, I was really hoping AMD would take the X2 to the next level where each GPU had a shared memory pool etc. in other words an actual dual core GPU in function if not in silicon.

LMAO at how everyone on this forum thinks they know better than AMD's engineers. You don't, so don't try to give them advice on how to make their GPUs work better. Sure, it's good for AMD to listen to the fans, but only on the topics that our knowledge extends to, and this is way out of our league. It's like complaining that the HD 4870 runs at 90c load, it's perfectly safe FFS. AMD would not have let it go that high if they were not 100% sure it was safe. But once again, everyone thinks they know how to make graphics cards better than the engineers.

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Lucid Hydra FTW!!! Of course I think everyone was hoping for SidePort.

:shakes:
09-26-2009, 03:11 PM
villa1n

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Originally Posted by WorshipMe

LMAO at how everyone on this forum thinks they know better than AMD's engineers. You don't, so don't try to give them advice on how to make their GPUs work better. Sure, it's good for AMD to listen to the fans, but only on the topics that our knowledge extends to, and this is way out of our league. It's like complaining that the HD 4870 runs at 90c load, it's perfectly safe FFS. AMD would not have let it go that high if they were not 100% sure it was safe. But once again, everyone thinks they know how to make graphics cards better than the engineers.

:shakes:

90C might be safe, but it severely limits oc'ing headroom, i think that is more what people worry about.
09-26-2009, 04:06 PM
Vit^pr0n

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Originally Posted by WorshipMe

LMAO at how everyone on this forum thinks they know better than AMD's engineers. You don't, so don't try to give them advice on how to make their GPUs work better. Sure, it's good for AMD to listen to the fans, but only on the topics that our knowledge extends to, and this is way out of our league. It's like complaining that the HD 4870 runs at 90c load, it's perfectly safe FFS. AMD would not have let it go that high if they were not 100% sure it was safe. But once again, everyone thinks they know how to make graphics cards better than the engineers.

:shakes:

Totally agree with this.

You'd think the ENGINEERS that actually design these would know how to make something that performs pretty damn well. You all keep mentioning sideport, so I'm PRETTY sure ATi themselves know about it. If they want it in their card, they'll put it in there. If they don't then they have a reason.

Also, the 5870x2 isn't even released yet nor do we know the official details of it. Sure, we know the specs since it's essentially 2 5870's, but we don't know about the specific design changes when compared with the 4870x2. Some of you need to just chill and wait for more info instead of either hyping up the card, or bashing it when there isn't even any relevant info out.

Really.. not too long ago some of you were praising the 5800 series and couldn't wait for the launch. Now the benchmarks and cards are out and most of you are 'disappointed' or not that impressed. Well you have yourself to blame for expecting too much and hyping it up. Every single next gen release is the same on this forum :shrug:
09-26-2009, 04:17 PM
Chumbucket843

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Originally Posted by WorshipMe

LMAO at how everyone on this forum thinks they know better than AMD's engineers. You don't, so don't try to give them advice on how to make their GPUs work better. Sure, it's good for AMD to listen to the fans, but only on the topics that our knowledge extends to, and this is way out of our league. It's like complaining that the HD 4870 runs at 90c load, it's perfectly safe FFS. AMD would not have let it go that high if they were not 100% sure it was safe. But once again, everyone thinks they know how to make graphics cards better than the engineers.

:shakes:

LMAO at the fact you think ATi is perfect and i dont even no where you got the idea that they thought they were superior to ATi's engineers. i wouldnt trust 100% them due to the fact they cant run furmark on their last gen. to anyone who complains about furmark being unrealistic any other gpu runs it just fine so i dont no why the 4870 shouldnt. i am sure they decided on what is best for the card when it comes to multi-gpu. i dont know the advantages of hardware v software multigpu but at least you dont have to wait for driver updates to run games in sli.
09-26-2009, 05:34 PM
Hell Hound

put A Backplate On That 5850 X2
09-26-2009, 05:44 PM
doompc

If the Lucid Hydra is really all that, is a question of time some manufacturer swap the PLX switch by a Hydra :)
09-26-2009, 06:12 PM
pr@$r1g

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Originally Posted by doompc

If the Lucid Hydra is really all that, is a question of time some manufacturer swap the PLX switch by a Hydra :)

& put gtx295 & HD5870 together na! :rofl:

Hydra can work that way also ....................
09-26-2009, 06:21 PM
Chickenfeed

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Originally Posted by villa1n

90C might be safe, but it severely limits oc'ing headroom, i think that is more what people worry about.

This is true but the 4870x2 doesn't clock much higher for one and secondly it has shown little benefit at higher clocks. They have to achieve a somewhat human noise level so they compromise with the high load temperatures. Running the fan at full blast will bring them down a lot but I personally find the 4870x2 fan way loud past 50% ( I've rarely seen it past 45% on the auto profile under most circumstances ). I expect similar if not slightly higher temps / heat output with the new X2(s).
09-26-2009, 06:50 PM
villa1n

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Originally Posted by Chickenfeed

This is true but the 4870x2 doesn't clock much higher for one and secondly it has shown little benefit at higher clocks. They have to achieve a somewhat human noise level so they compromise with the high load temperatures. Running the fan at full blast will bring them down a lot but I personally find the 4870x2 fan way loud past 50% ( I've rarely seen it past 45% on the auto profile under most circumstances ). I expect similar if not slightly higher temps / heat output with the new X2(s).

Thats why i wait, for NonReference cooling ^^, The VaporX version from Sapphire will probably be very quiet. I have ultrakazes on my case anyways, so when I m pwr using my comp / gaming, the noise is already there for me.. but with headphones i don't notice it at all. :P I can understand though, having heard my buddy's 4870x2's xfired with fans at 60%... its definately audible.
09-26-2009, 06:55 PM
Chickenfeed

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Originally Posted by villa1n

Thats why i wait, for NonReference cooling ^^, The VaporX version from Sapphire will probably be very quiet. I have ultrakazes on my case anyways, so when I m pwr using my comp / gaming, the noise is already there for me.. but with headphones i don't notice it at all. :P I can understand though, having heard my buddy's 4870x2's xfired with fans at 60%... its definately audible.

I just wish Artic Cooling (or someone) would make some new heatsinks that use a full shroud and exhaust but still outperform the reference ones. My biggest issue with aftermarket is everything but water bleeds all the heat into the case. This is why I never ordered a 4870x2 Accellero ( that and it took 10 years to release ) I couldn't imagine the heat from 2 (up to 600watts of heat...) of those being bled into a case... Any reduction in noise levels would be lost as you'd need to have some serious high rpm exhaust to combat the ambient case heat XD
09-26-2009, 07:15 PM
Final8ty

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Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

LMAO at the fact you think ATi is perfect and i dont even no where you got the idea that they thought they were superior to ATi's engineers. i wouldnt trust 100% them due to the fact they cant run furmark on their last gen. to anyone who complains about furmark being unrealistic any other gpu runs it just fine so i dont no why the 4870 shouldnt. i am sure they decided on what is best for the card when it comes to multi-gpu. i dont know the advantages of hardware v software multigpu but at least you dont have to wait for driver updates to run games in sli.

They forgot to put the Rev limiter on the 4800s.
I wonder how many cars would hold up for an hour without the Rev limiter with people flooring it.
09-26-2009, 08:28 PM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

LMAO at the fact you think ATi is perfect and i dont even no where you got the idea that they thought they were superior to ATi's engineers. i wouldnt trust 100% them due to the fact they cant run furmark on their last gen. to anyone who complains about furmark being unrealistic any other gpu runs it just fine so i dont no why the 4870 shouldnt. i am sure they decided on what is best for the card when it comes to multi-gpu. i dont know the advantages of hardware v software multigpu but at least you dont have to wait for driver updates to run games in sli.

The fact that the coding used in both programs, OCCT and Furmark, are specifically coded to exploit ATi/AMD's architecture is the problem with the explanation of "unrealistic" loads.
09-26-2009, 09:20 PM
orangekiwii

Yes, OCCT and Furmark are on a vendetta to personally destroy all ATi/AMD cards on the market.

No, its more like, there was a hardware defect... which is the designers fault (for not including the regulators) and the way it ran caused it to "break."

So what if its not a "normal" test? It's software... software should not be able to physically break something unless the hardware itself already has flaws. Its the hardwares fault...not the softwares.
09-26-2009, 09:37 PM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by orangekiwii

Yes, OCCT and Furmark are on a vendetta to personally destroy all ATi/AMD cards on the market.

No, its more like, there was a hardware defect... which is the designers fault (for not including the regulators) and the way it ran caused it to "break."

So what if its not a "normal" test? It's software... software should not be able to physically break something unless the hardware itself already has flaws. Its the hardwares fault...not the softwares.

Well the guy that made OCCT was sponsored by Nvidia...
And isn't it interesting that a 4890 greatly outperforms a GTX285 in OCCT and Furmark?

Any hardware can have problems with certain software which results in crashes/throttling.
These programs are nothing more than power viruses and the necessary steps have been taken with the current series of GPUs from ATi/AMD.
09-26-2009, 09:49 PM
billdavis

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Originally Posted by cky2k6

I hope my fullcover block could be ported to a 5870x2, it'll make a nice spring upgrade, once the gt300 lowers the prices.

yeah man i feel your pain

i dont buy full cover anymore because i go through gfx cards to fast. just get a gpu water block and all the ram sinks you can find, use zip ties to mount the unmatching holes till you get the mounting plates and continue that through the generations

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