You did not answer the other part of my question. Will Intel RMA it if it failed in next 3 years? If it was OEM, it would be covered by the same warranty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
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You did not answer the other part of my question. Will Intel RMA it if it failed in next 3 years? If it was OEM, it would be covered by the same warranty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
AFAIK, intel oem warranty is dictated by the retailer selling it as opposed to manufacturer which is usually between 30 - 90 day warranty versus intel retail cpu 3yrs with manufacturerQuote:
Originally Posted by devsk
as recent as three months ago there were at least two BIG OEM sellers in australia selling ES cpus to end users... this is the type of activity that needs to be targeted, overclockers KNOW they are buying an ES from someone else... an end user might not even know they have recieved an ES or that owning an ES is a problem..
FrancoisQuote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
Prohibiting an ES chip from competition could be made part of the NDA agreement. This would not change the current state of affairs but going forward any new CPU released would be covered. Intel would then be able to legally demand that any site or organization remove said scores from public view.
From a corporate point of view this seems to be the best course of action. The general tone of this thread indicates that users will continue to use these chips in competition. Also most seem willing to make future purchases even though doing so is illegal.
Some are 30-90 day, some a year, depends on who you buy from.Quote:
Originally Posted by devsk
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
I'm as guilty of wanting the best I can find, the most current technology,etc as anyone else.
That is normal and in my gut I don't think Intel gives a hoot about one guy getting one chip. It's people making a living from selling these in huge quantities.
You see some guy with a pic of a box of 100+ current cpu's that you know he got out of China for $10.00 each and selling for $500.00 each and that burns my ass.
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Originally Posted by hipro5
I have to agree, the problem starts with Intel FIRST.
ALSO, i see veiled threats are allowed here now? hmmmm.
or it it only from big brother :shakes:
Intel sends chips out to motherboard manufacturers,testers,etc and they HAVE to do so otherwise how do the parts these people make become validated?Quote:
Originally Posted by systemviper
As to threats, there weren't any, veiled or otherwise, so lets not go there ok?
The guy gave a polite warning and thats all there was to it.
Another question: Is there a way to tell if the chip is an ES chip? Does it say that in CPU name/properties?
On the IHS it says "Intel Confidential"..at least it does in the pics I've seen..:DQuote:
Originally Posted by devsk
In CPUID, it will say (ES) after the Specification String.
See here:
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/Bli..._validated.png
:rofl::ROTF::ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
or the cpu will say something like this:
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...975/REAHHH.jpg
taken from anandtech. :P
Perhaps not so innocent as you attempt to make it seem? If the chips are distributed to specific partners and testers wouldn't it make more sense to issue a statement to them? Where else has this been posted? I couldn't find any other recent warning anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
[/QUOTE]You see some guy with a pic of a box of 100+ current cpu's that you know he got out of China for $10.00 each and selling for $500.00 each and that burns my ass.[/QUOTE]
Wow, thats a huge profit margin , I gotta find that china dude..:ROTF:
and if it is that big of a deal, why doesn't intel demand all of them back from those who get them?Quote:
Originally Posted by loonym
Hello my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by loonym
No, you don't see public statements on this all the time.
Like lots of things in life companies don't get vocal on issues until they perceive a problem.
What factors tell them that it's time to go public only they know. I can't read their minds.
As I said in an earlier post I think the issue is not one or even 100 guys getting a ES cpu from some contact in some company but more the sale of large volumes of ES chips.
Es chips have always been around to those with the right contacts and always will.
That's not the issue, selling in big quanties is and is perceived by Intel as cutting into their bottom line.
Like all else in life money is what causes this question to surface here.
Intel is trying to protect their bottom line and I can't blame them for doing so.
My concerns is are there any specific reason why DrWho? started the thread here? Did he found someone selling ES chips in huge quanitites here? As far as i know, we don't even allow selling ES chips in the FS/FT section. So why???
your ok to sell it but it goes without a warranty i had one of those as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
thanks :) I was hoping the question didnt get lost in the fray cuz the 965 is gonna be here soon (if were lucky)Quote:
Originally Posted by cdawall
Exactly! There may be the occasional posted cpuz screen showing an ES (and one could assume these are chips obtained through appropriate channels) but it seems very far from the norm and certainly no more common than on any other enthusiast forum, and far less than on a couple that come to mind. And it's correct that the buying/selling of ES is strictly forbidden and policed here. Those factors make the original post seem a bit over the top and rather odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bail_w
Pretty sure this was posted here, because there is a member of this forum selling an ES chip on a few other sites. The ES chip for sale isn't even retail yet, so I can see why Francois is annoyed.
Ok, speculation. But if that's indeed the case why not contact that individual directly, or mods, or as he said, simply buy whatever the item happens to be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Avan
Sorry Doc, but your original post looks like smoke and flexing to me. I am the great and powerful Oz. Now everyone put on your scared face and go ooooooooh and aaaaahhhhhhh. :rolleyes:
I disagree and part of my disagreement is based on meeting Francois.Quote:
Originally Posted by loonym
i honestly think he was sending a polite message and not trying to browbeat anyone.
Now tell me, did you get those ES's I mailed you yesterday?:rofl:
joke folks, just a joke!:D
if you really want to stop ES chips from beeing sold why dont you stop intel employees and intel partners from selling them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
cracking down on the people in the enthusiast community who trade with them wont solve the problem, they will just be replaced... and it will upset the enthusiast community... if you want to solve the problem, solve it at its source...
check who sends how many ES chips where and verify whether they are actually still in place or what happened to them.
i heard rumors of intel employees handing over large amounts of ES chips as a favour to intel partners, knowing that they will use them in systems or sell them and that this is an extra income for them... not sure how true this is, but im sure this rumor is based on some truth at least...
i heard both scenarios:
A: Intel employee hands over ES chips to a friend from an intel partner company as a thank you for cooperation or sign of good will or to return a previous favour, whatever... the friend from the intel partner company then sells them or uses them in systems (dell repeatedly did this for example, and there were hundreds to thousands of cpus involved)
to intel those chips pretty much cost 50$ each, but to everybody else they are worth hundreds of dollars... intel and other chip companies are pretty much printing their own money. and francois, i know your a nice guy and all intel people you know, well probably most, are very decent people... but you cant deny that there are black sheeps at intel just as at any company, and when you are under pressure to win a deal and have chips available that are almost free for you and worth 10X their weight in gold to your customers... thats one way of bribing them, a smart way, cause it doesnt really leave notable traces...
B: intel employee isnt happy with his salary, but he has access to ES chips... people are willing to pay a lot of money for them, and as long as they arent sold to the competition directly the moral barrier isnt a real problem for most people in such a situation, so off the chips go, and up the employees account balance goes :D
Safe and sound, running 7ghz on air! :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Is that all? I got 7250mhz with an aluminum HS and no fan..Your slipping I think!:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by loonym
I did have to up the cpu voltage to .85v for that speed..:rofl: