Confirmed: Feser 1 Blue Premix + GTZ = do NOT want

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06-09-2009, 09:54 AM
millertime359

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

feser is mostly ethylene glycol - aka antifreeze

according to Feser 1 bottle:

ethylene glycol < 0.005%

I don't consider that to be mostly :shrug:

Edit: I'm not saying it's not dangerous, but when I hear mostly I think >30%
06-09-2009, 10:08 AM
sheriff_deadeye

waiting for primochill

i am using Primochill Pro LRT in my loop with two drops of Nuke. I have sent a question to their support team asking for some more details regarding the "special Anti-Microbial formula helps keep your cooling loop pristine" statement in the description of the tubing.

I'll let you know when i have a response.
06-09-2009, 10:14 AM
SNiiPE_DoGG

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Originally Posted by Linus@ncix

SNiiPE, I can't make you do anything. All I can do is give you the best advice I'm capable of giving.

Pro LRT is not anti-microbial because it blocks light. As you mentioned, that simply wouldn't work because of reservoirs, but it also wouldn't work on clear tubing (available in LRT). There's something in there. You can roll the dice if you want to, but I wouldn't do it.

What is with your attitude? I never asked for your coveted advice :rolleyes: you just put it out there.

I asked a question and you treated it like I was stating a blatantly incorrect fact.... and you dont even know what the tubing has for antimicrobial yourself so why are you acting like you know it causes a reaction?
06-09-2009, 10:37 AM
shazza

A question for you SNiiPE ... do you know what your water temps were in your reservoir? I know you said your temps were in the 60s, but I assume that was the CPU?
06-09-2009, 10:40 AM
brammers

If you're after a blue-ish tint, I've been running a 95% distilled, 5% G11 and 2 drops per litre PT Nuke (copper version). Check my avatar for the blue-effect you get.

Took the loop apart after 9 months and everything was like new.

See pic (Fuzion v1):

http://bramleys.org/radbox/reduex/CIMG1318.JPG

No ketchup required. :)

Looking in the tubes etc now, 7 months after that and the fluid looks as clear as the day I put it in.

HTH
J
06-09-2009, 10:42 AM
SNiiPE_DoGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by shazza

A question for you SNiiPE ... do you know what your water temps were in your reservoir? I know you said your temps were in the 60s, but I assume that was the CPU?

never got my temp sensors installed so I don't know my water temp :\ yes that was the CPU temp @ load before the clogging began.
06-09-2009, 10:44 AM
SNiiPE_DoGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by millertime359

according to Feser 1 bottle:

ethylene glycol < 0.005%

I don't consider that to be mostly :shrug:

Edit: I'm not saying it's not dangerous, but when I hear mostly I think >30%

it really smells strongly of ethylene glycol for not having any in it.... when my parents walked into the kitchen while I was draining they instantly asked "why does it smell like antifreeze in here?"
06-09-2009, 10:44 AM
LinusTech

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

and you dont even know what the tubing has for antimicrobial yourself

That's exactly the point. I don't know what's in it, but I do know that it's not blocking the light, so rather than conjure up a hypothesis to support my pre-existing viewpoint, I take the safe road.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

so why are you acting like you know it causes a reaction?

I specifically used phrases like "take a chance" and "roll the dice" because I don't know for sure.

The point is, I've seen these products used properly and they're fine. I've seen your loop and something went wrong in there. It could have been user error, or it could have been a manufacturing defect, but since we know that you've mixed chemicals in the loop, I'm leaning towards user error on this one.

The reason I would come in here guns blazing is because of the claim you've made in the subject of your post. You can't say stuff like that, man... You haven't confirmed anything, and I've never seen any evidence of an incompatibility between Feser Blue and the APOGEE GTZ. One of my co-workers is running just this configuration (based on my recommendation) and your post had him running home yesterday to check for disaster.
06-09-2009, 10:54 AM
NaeKuh

meh.... i went though almost ever variation in coolant.

theres a reason why i push straight distilled. And there was a reason why i made a big deal on us getting silver last year.
06-09-2009, 11:03 AM
SNiiPE_DoGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linus@ncix

The reason I would come in here guns blazing is because of the claim you've made in the subject of your post. You can't say stuff like that, man... You haven't confirmed anything, and I've never seen any evidence of an incompatibility between Feser Blue and the APOGEE GTZ. One of my co-workers is running just this configuration (based on my recommendation) and your post had him running home yesterday to check for disaster.

? If you read the post I conclude that the constant high temps had to be a major factor in the intense clogging I experienced for this very reason: we dont have mass reports of clogging GTZ's with feser fluid because most people arent using their machines that much.

No other parts of the loop are clogged in crap, all the barbs are clean except the ones on the CPU block so what exactly should I be concluding?
06-09-2009, 11:03 AM
ownage

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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

If you have pets I recommend against antifreeze

We had almost the same conversation a while ago I think, :)
I know its toxic, but I don't have pets, they already died from antifreeze.
And if you carefully use antifreeze, it can't be bad for yourself.

I consider myself lucky I never had any gunk in my loop, not even a bit.
06-09-2009, 11:04 AM
Mankz_91

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Originally Posted by Mankz_91

Anyway, I took my look apart for its quaterly clean and refill, and this is what met my eyes!

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...1/DSCF5010.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...1/DSCF5011.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...1/DSCF5012.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...1/DSCF5013.jpg

Just look at that barb!!

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...1/DSCF5007.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...1/DSCF5008.jpg

And look what that did to my Supreme, no wonder my temps have gone from mid 30's to low 50's under load!

Now its just Distilled water an G11 for me :shrug:

That was from 4 months of Feser Invisible blue :up:
06-09-2009, 11:06 AM
NaeKuh

for the record...

id like to be d1ck and say i told all of you guys so.

:rofl:

Silver + distilled FTW! forget everything else.
06-09-2009, 11:07 AM
Mankz_91

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

:rofl:

Silver + distilled FTW! forget everything else.

Been on that for over 18 months now, an not a single problem :D
06-09-2009, 11:08 AM
LinusTech

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

it really smells strongly of ethylene glycol for not having any in it.... when my parents walked into the kitchen while I was draining they instantly asked "why does it smell like antifreeze in here?"

Just to lighten the tone a little bit.... This reminded me of a thread in our forum.

http://forums.ncix.com/forums/?mode=...nt=0&subpage=1

:ROTF:

It's only funny cuz he didn't die.
06-09-2009, 11:11 AM
LinusTech

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

? If you read the post I conclude that the constant high temps had to be a major factor in the intense clogging I experienced for this very reason: we dont have mass reports of clogging GTZ's with feser fluid because most people arent using their machines that much.

No other parts of the loop are clogged in crap, all the barbs are clean except the ones on the CPU block so what exactly should I be concluding?

Heat does not cause a reaction. It can only assist it.

And I think you would be surprised to discover that the temperature of the water right next to the copper in the GTZ is within 1 degree of the water anywhere else in your loop.

This is not the cause of your problem.
06-09-2009, 11:13 AM
millertime359

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

it really smells strongly of ethylene glycol for not having any in it.... when my parents walked into the kitchen while I was draining they instantly asked "why does it smell like antifreeze in here?"

That is off the black pre-mix, maybe blue has more :shrug:
06-09-2009, 11:13 AM
kinghong1970

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linus@ncix

Just to lighten the tone a little bit.... This reminded me of a thread in our forum.

http://forums.ncix.com/forums/?mode=...nt=0&subpage=1

:ROTF:

It's only funny cuz he didn't die.

lol... i remember that dude...

ya know, there was an episode in 20/20 where some dude poisoned his wife by feeding her antifreeze+gatorade concoction...
06-09-2009, 11:19 AM
LinusTech

Quote:

Originally Posted by kinghong1970

lol... i remember that dude...

ya know, there was an episode in 20/20 where some dude poisoned his wife by feeding her antifreeze+gatorade concoction...

That seems like a weird thing to mix it with. I guess the strong smell and colour of gatorade would cover it up?
06-09-2009, 11:19 AM
hellcamino

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

If you have pets I recommend against antifreeze

If you aren't putting it in dishes on the floor then it shouldn't be a problem.
06-09-2009, 11:22 AM
YMAA

Anyone see that episode of House where the wife was slowly poisoning her husband with gold?
06-09-2009, 11:22 AM
DarthBeavis

As for toxicity, I asked my wife to come up with some firm percentage or amounts for ethylene glycol. This will at least give us something to go by.
06-09-2009, 11:22 AM
millertime359

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

? If you read the post I conclude that the constant high temps had to be a major factor in the intense clogging I experienced for this very reason: we dont have mass reports of clogging GTZ's with feser fluid because most people arent using their machines that much.

No other parts of the loop are clogged in crap, all the barbs are clean except the ones on the CPU block so what exactly should I be concluding?

Hey snipe,
I can see what he is saying, even though he is coming across a little strong. Your post title is "Confirmed: Feser 1 Blue Premix + GTZ = do NOT want"

I can understand how that would scare the crap out of someone who is not an avid water cooler.
06-09-2009, 11:24 AM
kinghong1970

Quote:

Originally Posted by YMAA

Anyone see that episode of House where the wife was slowly poisoning her husband with gold?

nope but i had a idiot japanese colleague of mine who racked up his hotel bill eating gold foil wrapped sushi's during his stay in Korea...
06-09-2009, 11:25 AM
millertime359

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellcamino

If you aren't putting it in dishes on the floor then it shouldn't be a problem.

Concern comes if for some reason you have a bad leak where the loop drains and the pets get into it. If your going to use it, wouldn't use much :up:

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