Well, I've gone crazy

PCI-e SSD is not a viable option really, a PCI-e SSD HOLDER is, i.e. something that can have replacable memory, so we can upgrade.

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Originally Posted by flopper

Since ssd are getting raided in all sorts of ways, we will see as your own tech simulation shows, a speed increase where its a must to get raided cards as sata 2 and then sata 3 is not enough for millions of users.
The train is about to leave the station and what do we get? sata 3 which is to slow for us.
If someone would be smart out there, they be doing such solution, providing ssd with pci-e out of the box.
ah yes, called fusion io drive.

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Micron and RunCore are on the way.

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Originally Posted by flopper

Your actually thinking that highly of review sites and reviewers?
I use salt, a pinch of finest highland malt as there is no way they know what they do.

Even a prominent site as benchmark review havent got to a good benchmark yet. And those guys should know the in and outs of harddrives.

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If I were you I'd take that back.
There are several reviewers ( not necessarily working on the well-known sites ) that know lots of stuff, and some of them are even working in the industry and/or engineering labs and are college graduates.
I can name at least 5 of them, but for various reasons I won't.

Friendly,
Bill

So who will be first to offer 4port SATA3 RAID0 card especially for SSDs! :D
Definitely won't be Adaptec and the usual RAID gang...

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Originally Posted by XS Janus

So who will be first to offer 4port SATA3 RAID0 card especially for SSDs! :D
Definitely won't be Adaptec and the usual RAID gang...

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equip :p: LOL

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Originally Posted by flopper

Your actually thinking that highly of review sites and reviewers?
I use salt, a pinch of finest highland malt as there is no way they know what they do.

Even a prominent site as benchmark review havent got to a good benchmark yet. And those guys should know the in and outs of harddrives.

just smack 1gb cache on your ssd´s and they run just fine.
1gb ram nowadays isnt that much in cost.
Much easier solution instead of using limited controllers.
Who ever made that decision to use jmicron should be shot.
It was a bad business decison.
IMO.

Since ssd are getting raided in all sorts of ways, we will see as your own tech simulation shows, a speed increase where its a must to get raided cards as sata 2 and then sata 3 is not enough for millions of users.
The train is about to leave the station and what do we get? sata 3 which is to slow for us.
If someone would be smart out there, they be doing such solution, providing ssd with pci-e out of the box.
ah yes, called fusion io drive.

The standards is to slow to adopt to the market.
SSD will simply explode this year and next, and what do people say when simply, this drive isnt any good to buy (vertex 2) since its limited by my motherboard?

Ah well, I get a raid card then ;)

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1GB cache...performance Vs cost would mean no one would buy the drives...plus its the controller that dictates the cache and i don't know of one that will do that high yet.

I was seeing 1XXX+ IOP's on vertex on the infamous AT 4k bench, thats well enough for day to fay use

I guess very soon after we put all this stutter issues behind us, the real question will be how much more through will make any noticeable difference in real life applications.
Like will we get any faster file copies on the drive?
Cause lets face it, waiting for apps to load is not really a big issue for 99% of users. They will not be sensitive enough to even faster overall system responsiveness after next gen SSDs to buy even newer faster SSDs.
They will need to get cheap faster than they will need to be faster... :)

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Originally Posted by saint-francis

For certain purposes...yes. Overall... no.



Absolutely no way. You can tell simply by touching one in use. They are basically room temperature while being used to their fullest, whereas a normal HDD is always warm to the touch even if it's not in use ATM.

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Thanks for your input about the raid.

About the heat, this is what I read. So it looks like we really do not need to have fans blowing on them

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...&limitstart=10

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Originally Posted by Tony

Here is a question for ya'll

What is the minimum IOP's you need 4K random write 10GB test file for 2 mins for a drive to work without causing the sata controller to pause and cause a stutter?

Not 1 review on a forum or a website yet has proven what is needed and what is not...lets see if you guys can actually come up with the answer ;)

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Is this you or the OCZ R&D team asking? Because after that triple failure (Core, V2, Solid Series) I wouldn't be too surprised if OCZ was asking forum users for answers they couldn't find on their own :rolleyes:

^lol :D

I would really like to see some single X25-E and X25-E RAID0 on ICH10R results if possible, thanks so much!

Would like to see some teast with a pair of X25-E RAID0 on ICH10R ..I wonder will it be OK or will I need to get a hardware card?

The ICH10R is limited at approx. 666MB/s.
Two X25-E's run fine in RAID 0 on the ICH10R.

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Originally Posted by BenchZowner

The ICH10R is limited at approx. 666MB/s.
Two X25-E's run fine in RAID 0 on the ICH10R.

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It depends...

One question that I would like answered with reference to SSD performance is whether SLC SSD's are as prone to performance degradation as MLC variants if their partitions are misaligned?

I have a bunch of OCZ 64GB SLC drives on the way so I am more than curious about to what extent the slightly different technology and cache size has on this issue...

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Apparently SLC drives do not like being misaligned as well, but to what extent I still do not know...

@ One_Hertz

Do see a bandwidth-limit with the 5405?
IOP348 is only optimized for SAS-Drives - not SATA.

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Originally Posted by F.E.A.R.

@ One_Hertz

Do see a bandwidth-limit with the 5405?
IOP348 is only optimized for SAS-Drives - not SATA.

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Not yet. I believe it is around 600MB/s. If/when I add another drive I will hit it for sure. I might change raid cards in a while if they can't fix anything with a firmware update.

I just ran into the same issue you are One_Hertz.

I picked up an X25-M and tried running it on an Adaptec 31605 and it benched like crap. Read/Write speeds were all over the place. With cache on, it did horrible, with cache off, it did not as horrible.

Plugged it into the ICH10R on my P5Q, and it was above intel specs. Ran great-

Needless to say, Adaptec needs to catch up with their firmware. It's actually kind of nice to see an onboard solution work so well. I am selling my Adaptec 31605 and 2x Cheetah 15k5 SAS drives to make up some of the of cost of the X25-M drives..

Intel actually tested their hardware on their hardware ;) I don't think SSDs had any popularity when Adaptec released even the series 5 controllers.
Though that is strange, since Intel made the IOP and the IOP also handles SAS part not just the XOR and such calculations, one would presume they'd test...

Mate, I'm catching cold from my open door, where is your proof? :D

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Originally Posted by BenchZowner

We're going to find out later on today.
If I were you... I'd leave my door open :p:

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Originally Posted by alfaunits

Mate, I'm catching cold from my open door, where is your proof? :D

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Sorry to hear about your cold, feel free to close the door and turn on the heating/air condition :p:
I was very busy lately ( indoors and outdoors ) and I couldn't waste any time in setting up a rig and trying things out.

Oh don't you just love it ;)