some first AMD Deneb teasers on Foxconn A79A-S 790FX

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12-17-2008, 11:43 PM
FlanK3r

SOF:what is your best OC Air on Phenom II? Is possible, on ASUS M3A-T Deluxe about 4200-4300MHz?:shrug:
12-18-2008, 12:21 AM
Macadamia

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Originally Posted by Caveman787

Darn that sadens me weirdly, I had hope for seeing 4.5 on water if it takes dice to reach 4.7 that seems unlikely.

LC Nab you have to consider the fact we've seen 4.0 and 4.2 floating around on AIR. Water tends to add a couple hundred more mhz.

Phenom II is rather special in this aspect.

It likes cold but it doesn't really like voltages (you need some to push, but cold, not voltages, will get you clocks)

So Phase and TEC+WC will yield really nice results, Phase on 5++? :D
12-18-2008, 01:51 PM
SoF

I am getting crazy about the validation issue again ^^ tried to do a save 4.8 but still rejected...
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=465574 I think I give up with CPUz and do some wprime under vista now ;)
12-18-2008, 02:08 PM
bingo13

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Originally Posted by merkk1

Thank You SoF Have you been able to talk to any one over at Foxconn about getting us A79A-s user an bios update for Phenom 2 940 cpu . I have
e-mail support and ask if there going to support the Phenom 2 940 cpu and they can not even tell me a yes or no answer .

The SO3 BIOS supports it fully as does AOD 2.1.5....
12-18-2008, 02:23 PM
demonkevy666

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macadamia

Phenom II is rather special in this aspect.

It likes cold but it doesn't really like voltages (you need some to push, but cold, not voltages, will get you clocks)

So Phase and TEC+WC will yield really nice results, Phase on 5++? :D

1.344 volt stock at 3.0ghz and runs what like 28C idle ?

at 1.35 volts I'll idle at like 41-43C on 9850.
12-18-2008, 03:09 PM
SoF

air stable was ~3.6-3.8 not tested too much. but I just made some really good experiences with wprime :eek: no Q6600 in hwbot can beat Phenom II...5ghz+ 9650 is needed to beat 4580 deneb :D
http://s11.directupload.net/images/081219/bbvgnerc.png
12-18-2008, 03:13 PM
Caveman787

Whatd you ahve your northbride speed at for those runs SoF ~2300mhz like before?

I'm quickly learning to love you and iocedmyself for all these tid bits :cool:
12-18-2008, 03:14 PM
crazydiamond

lol cpuz reports 2 diff vcores
12-18-2008, 03:16 PM
LC_Nab

Really ???? The q9650 needs +5 to beat the phenom II at 4.5 ???? damnnnn !!!! >.< I can only imagine whats going to happen when the new boards for the phenom II comes out ... gazm !!!!
12-18-2008, 03:30 PM
SoF

nb is 2585 mhz during this run - oh dear this mistake happened to me twice now with 2 cpuz and the same tab :wall: need to take myself some more time for the tests :p
12-18-2008, 03:32 PM
FatAlbert

SoF, when you will can show us results ?

20.12 / 08.01 ?

interesting things you show and tell us :D
12-18-2008, 03:54 PM
Caveman787

I def. hope that 20th NDA date was right, saw 4.2 claimed with an asus m3a32-T? on air combine that with 2.3ghz+ nb and nehalem will be in for big trouble.
12-18-2008, 04:03 PM
MonsterMash

Since you told the max freq you reach stable on air, can you tell us also the max on water? Maybe with the required vcore :D.

Thak you so much for your work!
12-18-2008, 04:16 PM
merkk1

Bingo13
Thank you for the up-date on the bios .
12-18-2008, 04:54 PM
Glow9

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Originally Posted by LC_Nab

Really ???? The q9650 needs +5 to beat the phenom II at 4.5 ???? damnnnn !!!! >.< I can only imagine whats going to happen when the new boards for the phenom II comes out ... gazm !!!!

This is of course if mainstream chips OC this well. Other than the early first batch.
12-18-2008, 06:37 PM
Titan7171

im curious how high you can go on stock voltages to get to Windows desktop? 3.4-3.5ghz?? its usually safe to say 400-500mhz on stock voltages then from there you start raising voltages as you raise clocks...
12-18-2008, 06:44 PM
informal

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Originally Posted by Glow9

This is of course if mainstream chips OC this well. Other than the early first batch.

If you look back,AMD's chip only clock better with time ,not worse.This is a general rule that also applies to intel.
AMD uses CTI(continuous transistor improvement) program and it worked great in the past.Look how well RevF clocked over time,then the B3 fixed stepping that now can reach even 3.4/3.5Ghz on QC/Tri/Duals etc.
If AMD continues with its CTI program,C3(AM3 Denebs) will be even better in OC/thermal regard.The sort of confirmation for this is the 95W max TDP rating of the 925(2.8Ghz) version of Phenom II.The 920,an AM2+ version,is rated 125W @ 2.8Ghz.
12-18-2008, 11:45 PM
Cluster

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Originally Posted by SoF

air stable was ~3.6-3.8 not tested too much. but I just made some really good experiences with wprime :eek: no Q6600 in hwbot can beat Phenom II...5ghz+ 9650 is needed to beat 4580 deneb :D

So i take it that was an 8.081 run :D

Sounds like 7 second wPrimes are definetly doable.
12-19-2008, 08:24 AM
SoF

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

Since you told the max freq you reach stable on air, can you tell us also the max on water? Maybe with the required vcore :D.
Thak you so much for your work!

Sorry, I never use watercooling ;) air and dice most of the time.

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Originally Posted by Titan7171

im curious how high you can go on stock voltages to get to Windows desktop? 3.4-3.5ghz?? its usually safe to say 400-500mhz on stock voltages then from there you start raising voltages as you raise clocks...

I think I did wprime1024m at 3.3 with 1.32V (undervolted) - 3.4 - 3.5 seems reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Cluster

So i take it that was an 8.081 run :D
Sounds like 7 second wPrimes are definetly doable.

:D on vista intel and amd 45nm quads are close together with slight advantage for amd in performance per clock I would say. was real good to see yesterday and tomorrow I maybe have the possibility to test with a cascade :)
12-19-2008, 11:14 AM
Titan7171

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoF

I think I did wprime1024m at 3.3 with 1.32V (undervolted) - 3.4 - 3.5 seems reasonable.

:)

cool so Im going to say 1.5v is going to give us about 3.8ghz.......and pushing to 1.6v is going to just make 4ghz...........its going to be fun testing, I hope I get a good chip:p:
12-19-2008, 11:58 PM
Maxxximum

Ok it's the 20. of dec. So SOF MOVE ALL THAT BLACK S*** SO WE CAN SEE RESULTS :up::up::D:D:yepp::yepp::cool::cool::rolleyes:
12-20-2008, 06:58 AM
Mav451

Well, that's probably not as necessary, since he already said this:

Quote:

no Q6600 in hwbot can beat Phenom II...5ghz+ 9650 is needed to beat 4580 deneb

Still I wouldn't mind seeing the actual numbers.
12-20-2008, 01:26 PM
SoF

I have to correct my little bit too enthusiastic "5ghz+ 9650 is needed to beat 4580 deneb " - while I was comparing some days ago I did not notice all the XP scores on hwbot. With both, deneb and QX9650 under vista the advantage of the deneb will not be that huge anymore but still there is some for AMD in wprime I would say. I just returned back from my first little ln2 experience and gonna write a bit about it within the next hour...
12-20-2008, 01:44 PM
informal

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoF

I have to correct my little bit too enthusiastic "5ghz+ 9650 is needed to beat 4580 deneb " - while I was comparing some days ago I did not notice all the XP scores on hwbot. With both, deneb and QX9650 under vista the advantage of the deneb will not be that huge anymore but still there is some for AMD in wprime I would say. I just returned back from my first little ln2 experience and gonna write a bit about it within the next hour...

Any news regarding you problems with 5x multi for HyperTransport?Can you verify cold bug issues are there unless you go to HyperTransport 1.0 mode?

One hour can't pass sooner :D.

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