Intel to Retaliate to AMD Phenom II Overclocking Feat, Plans Demonstration at CES '09

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11-28-2008, 12:16 PM
demonkevy666

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Originally Posted by Gendo

I'm quite curious to see if i7 can reach 7Ghz but on the other hand, us normal mortals will never be able to buy these chips with disabled sensors and nor do I see mobo manufacturers add settings for these in their bioses:( So the demo will be more like: "look what we can do! You will never be able to do it though"

they already have 8 threads they really don't need 7ghz.
11-28-2008, 01:09 PM
taurus_sel

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Originally Posted by Miss Banana

Good question, not sure where it came from.
I guess DrWho just never admitted to saying things he shouldn't have said. This thread shouldn't be about him though, so I agree, let's move on.

Amen. You got to own up to what you say. And not just vanish when someone calls you on it. But you are also right in that this thread shouldn't be all about a vendor's rep who's too quick to come to conclusions.
11-28-2008, 01:17 PM
Gendo

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Originally Posted by demonkevy666

they already have 8 threads they really don't need 7ghz.

They don't, but overclockers do:yepp:
11-28-2008, 01:26 PM
cegras

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Originally Posted by taurus_sel

You're free to give him the benefit of the doubt. You're free to do anything you like, that's your prerogative. My point is that if it's speculation, then Dr. Who should have no problem owning up to that.

Engineer? Since when is a performance analyst an ASIC engineer that understands how an unreleased competitor's chip works?

I don't know that AMD did or didn't do anyting. But I do know that someone here is likely guessing at stuff, not owning up to it and stating it as fact.

Hostility? Yeah okay. More like looking for the truth. Why does that bother some people?

Exactly my point.
11-28-2008, 01:30 PM
metro.cl

Quite funny how a thread from XS that i found interesting and post it in my website (in spanish) then gets to TPW and TPW is the source in XS.

You only needed to read XS i hope this wasnt harmfull for anyone and that there werent any misunderstangins because of the translations.
11-28-2008, 01:51 PM
BrowncoatGR

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Originally Posted by Daveburt714

I understand what the sensors do... But the way I read it, it was not done just to make a chip capable of ONE extreme run, it was an overall change that will allow all chips to operate in those ranges.

So whatever changes made during the shrink allowed them to tweak the sensors to operate in the new temp ranges without failure.

Hence the "you can be certain that your Phenom will not fail" part.. ;)

AMD apparently is using a new interface dubbed TSI, in the AM3 parts at least, that replaces the thermal diode. This could be related to that.
*edit* Looking forward to seeing records broken and good competition. I think it's direly needed. Also congrats to Fugger. Any OCers dream come true
11-28-2008, 01:51 PM
Rammsteiner

First off I'd like to congratulate FUGGER for this:up:

For the rest... I think it's a bit sad really:rofl: That's just my opinion though;)
11-28-2008, 02:53 PM
RPGWiZaRD

Oh since when did "having the greatest overclocking chip" mean something for these CPU manufacturers. Glad overclocking gets more attention these days though and proof that they don't underestimate the influence reviewers/enthusiasts give about the products for the other consumers. Childish but very amusing especially since overclocking voids warranty. I wouldn't be very surprised if sometimes in future certain special models with slightly higher cost are given some kind of overclocking warranty too lol. I do think that would work for products like AMD's "Black" SKUs or if Intel also had some various unlocked mainstream variants with warranty for usage to a bit higher voltage than standard. They'd get more money from the price premium than the slightly increased rate of RMAs I'm pretty sure of.
11-28-2008, 03:18 PM
T_Flight

If this were to happen more power to them...BOTH of them. People learn things by driving these things to their limits. There are some here that act like this is something new...it's not. There's no need for anyone to get their panties in a bunch. It called "overclocking". I can't believe I actually had to write that last sentence at Xtreme Systems. People here should already know that, but either they don't, or a few have forgotten it.

This place is about Xtreme Systems, and Xtreme OC'ing, and we'll continue to see things pushed to the max, and that is precisely why I am here. I am here to learn from those things. Eventhough I may never be able to get to those kinds of speeds, I learn from it.
11-28-2008, 03:41 PM
K404

To quote Gorillakos sig:

"When Mercedes brought their C111 to Talledega years ago and blew away the closed course record did it count? Yes..
That was a "factory" car and a "one of" that no one could buy and was never sold.
Records are records and that is a fact so get over it."

Same idealology applies here.

In some ways I dont like it, but im accepting it more as the months and years go by.
11-28-2008, 04:13 PM
Calmatory

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Originally Posted by demonkevy666

they already have 8 threads they really don't need 7ghz.

And? The speed increase under heavy load is barely noticeable. HT is a possible plus under special circumstances which mostly occurs with server software. Quite useless for us mere mortals, like this whole demonstration.
11-28-2008, 04:44 PM
herderien

i'm sure Francois will love to be called Francoise :p

as for the battle..well...it's kind of kindergarden who has the biggest, and in the end is not very interesting.
what's really interesting is using those tests to improve future product :)
11-28-2008, 06:10 PM
Aberration

Competition is good. I really hope that the OC that AMD was able to do does represent to some extent what the P2 is capable of. And I also hope that performance becomes more competitive.

And my hat off to Fugger. Just imagine being such a good and renown overclocker that when Intel wants its chip to do the best it can, they ask you. Damn.
11-28-2008, 06:17 PM
Drwho?

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Originally Posted by taurus_sel

Yes I can read english and spell as well. And from your owns words:

"I am just going to be doing the same as our green buddies, dissable the thermal control, and let s see"

Again how do you know the green team is disabling anything? Clairvoyance? Guessing? Do you have the inside scoop?

Like I said, keep Theo out of this. I never read what he writes.

We did not even need to do so, we got to 5Ghz air cooled without problem.
I based my comment on Theo's post, if Theo is not accurate, i am not accurate.

The retails parts will tell us, if nobody gets 6Ghz with a retail CPU, we will know who's was right ...

The competition childish? well, we are on Extremesystem here, winning the race is what matters to me, with openess and Olympic spirit, if you don't like that people work hard on winning, well, don't come here, because I think it is all about this: Behind Fast and Furious :)

Time will tell! Take it easy, and well, 5Ghz air cool is done.
11-28-2008, 06:22 PM
T_Flight

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

We did not even need to do so, we got to 5Ghz air cooled without problem.
I based my comment on Theo's post, if Theo is not accurate, i am not accurate.

The retails parts will tell us, if nobody gets 6Ghz with a retail CPU, we will know who's was right ...

Time will tell! Take it easy, and well, 5Ghz air cool is done.

My money is riding with you. 5GHz on air is indeed done, and is in the history books.

I'm anxiously awaiting January timeframe. :yepp:
11-28-2008, 06:23 PM
foch3 -USA-

I heard AMD 6ghz is possible on air...... lol then what?
11-28-2008, 06:47 PM
Zucker2k

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Originally Posted by foch3 -USA-

I heard AMD 6ghz is possible on air...... lol then what?

What? Let the arms... sorry, clock race begin.
11-28-2008, 06:48 PM
G0ldBr1ck

is that 5ghz with all parts functioning (disabled sensors or anything else)? if so im impressed
11-28-2008, 06:59 PM
Zucker2k

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Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck

is that 5ghz with all parts functioning (disabled sensors or anything else)? if so im impressed

According to both Fugger and Francois, nothing is disabled. A decision was made to run all the chips stock.
11-28-2008, 07:03 PM
cegras

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

We did not even need to do so, we got to 5Ghz air cooled without problem.
I based my comment on Theo's post, if Theo is not accurate, i am not accurate.

The retails parts will tell us, if nobody gets 6Ghz with a retail CPU, we will know who's was right ...

The competition childish? well, we are on Extremesystem here, winning the race is what matters to me, with openess and Olympic spirit, if you don't like that people work hard on winning, well, don't come here, because I think it is all about this: Behind Fast and Furious :)

Time will tell! Take it easy, and well, 5Ghz air cool is done.

Er, how long was this sustainable for? Prime stable is different from Crysis looping stable.
11-28-2008, 07:03 PM
nunchucka

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Originally Posted by taurus_sel

Yes I can read english and spell as well. And from your owns words:

"I am just going to be doing the same as our green buddies, dissable the thermal control, and let s see"

Again how do you know the green team is disabling anything? Clairvoyance? Guessing? Do you have the inside scoop?

Like I said, keep Theo out of this. I never read what he writes.

i have to say i agree here, it says "tweaked" not "disabled"... the same as they say they have "tweaked" parts of the newer P2 part to make it better than the first...
11-28-2008, 07:10 PM
Drwho?

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Originally Posted by foch3 -USA-

I heard AMD 6ghz is possible on air...... lol then what?

well, after Carl Lewis won for the 100 metter, did people stop running faster?

http://www.servekrishna.net/images/s.../CarlLewis.jpg

I don't understand ... I am being bad because I like competition? you got to explain this to me. Wanting to win is childish?

You guys need to take it easy, sorry, I want to win, and I spend my life making sure that I do, I do it fairly, and openly.
11-28-2008, 07:16 PM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

well, after Carl Lewis won for the 100 metter, did people stop running faster?

http://www.servekrishna.net/images/s.../CarlLewis.jpg

I don't understand ... I am being bad because I like competition? you got to explain this to me. Wanting to win is childish?

You guys need to take it easy, sorry, I want to win, and I spend my life making sure that I do, I do it fairly, and openly.

I think what you have to understand is that their are two very differnet groups here in this thread.
The ones that want to see what can be done and then the ones that would blast you no matter if their was a halo around your head and God sitting beside you.
That is just how they are. They look to create controversery where there is none.
I've learned that those people you try to ignore as in reality their opinions mean very little.
11-28-2008, 07:22 PM
xlink

I hope AMD knocks intel out cold... WE NEED THEM TO DO WELL NOW MORE THAN EVER. intel can survive 6 months or so while being behind.
11-28-2008, 07:23 PM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by Movieman

I think what you have to understand is that their are two very differnet groups here in this thread.
The ones that want to see what can be done and then the ones that would blast you no matter if their was a halo around your head and God sitting beside you.
That is just how they are. They look to create controversery where there is none.
I've learned that those people you try to ignore as in reality their opinions mean very little.

If you had a bunch of people in an insane asylum who had convinced themselves that AMD was their wife, would their crazy ramblings be much different to what has been seen in this thread? :shrug:

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