Shanghai Results (Opteron 2384, 2.7GHz)

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11-12-2008, 11:47 AM
vengance_01

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Originally Posted by Bellisimo

there are no xeon based i7 at the moment, intel choose to introduce desktop part first, amd choose to introduce the server part first (which looks like smarter move the me financial-wise)
but maybe AMD could only do this because only the cpu's had to be validated, not the intire platform

But they will next year and I am not sure AMD will have anything by then.
11-12-2008, 11:52 AM
Calmatory

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Originally Posted by vengance_01

But they will next year and I am not sure AMD will have anything by then.

Not really. Then again, Intel does not have now. Though, if I was getting server hardware, I'd wait until Nehalem for servers and then get the AMD if the price is low enough. Sure Intel would be fine aswell, but I doubt that they need to start fiddling with price to beat AMD's offerings.
11-12-2008, 11:57 AM
terrace215

Looks like the int results are about what was expected (adjusting for 2.7 vs 2.8), while the fp results fall short a bit. Looking at the 2P projections from back in february, here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=178416

In short: Nehalem is substantially faster, as expected.

For even more fun, note that a *single* (1P) Nehalem can score 110 in spec_int_rate_base. :)
11-12-2008, 11:59 AM
Bellisimo

Quote:

Originally Posted by terrace215

Looks like the int results are about what was expected (adjusting for 2.7 vs 2.8), while the fp results fall short a bit. Looking at the 2P projections from back in february, here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=178416

In short: Nehalem is substantially faster, as expected.

lets remeber shintai's wise words

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...35&postcount=3

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Originally Posted by Shintai

People should just remember rates benchmarks are very deceptive. Nehalem basicly just wins this so much due to trichannel and CSI.
11-12-2008, 12:33 PM
PetNorth

Quote:

Originally Posted by terrace215

Looks like the int results are about what was expected (adjusting for 2.7 vs 2.8), while the fp results fall short a bit. Looking at the 2P projections from back in february, here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=178416

In short: Nehalem is substantially faster, as expected.

For even more fun, note that a *single* (1P) Nehalem can score 110 in spec_int_rate_base. :)

Figure it...

Suddenly, projected scores are valid...

LOL
11-12-2008, 01:26 PM
lennyvee

Cool thanks for the post
11-12-2008, 02:33 PM
justthefax

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Originally Posted by Shintai

No...

Dell uses BEA/Oracle Rockit 6 JVM + Windows 2003 SP1.
IBM uses IBM Java 6 JVM + Windows 2008 SP1.

Those poor guys at Dell, maybe they couldn't afford a Windows 2008 license and so their Intel machine was crippled? And IBM refused to sell their JVM to Dell coz they're so meeeeean? :rofl:

And did you hear of the W2k8 SP1 security fix that cripples Dunningtons by turning their L3, L2 AND L1 caches off?

The real surprise is how well Intel scores even with its hands tied! Right Shintai? :clap:
11-12-2008, 02:48 PM
FlawleZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by justthefax

Those poor guys at Dell, maybe they couldn't afford a Windows 2008 license and so their Intel machine was crippled? And IBM refused to sell their JVM to Dell coz they're so meeeeean? :rofl:

And did you hear of the W2k8 SP1 security fix that cripples Dunningtons by turning their L3, L2 AND L1 caches off?

The real surprise is how well Intel scores even with its hands tied! Right Shintai? :clap:

Seriously? What a monumental failure from Microsoft. How is that even possible?
11-12-2008, 02:59 PM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by justthefax

Those poor guys at Dell, maybe they couldn't afford a Windows 2008 license and so their Intel machine was crippled? And IBM refused to sell their JVM to Dell coz they're so meeeeean? :rofl:

And did you hear of the W2k8 SP1 security fix that cripples Dunningtons by turning their L3, L2 AND L1 caches off?

The real surprise is how well Intel scores even with its hands tied! Right Shintai? :clap:

Acutaly he has a point, those two test run on different OSs with different JVM on different hardware.

Hell is there anything that they even have in common? :p:
11-12-2008, 03:16 PM
Lightman

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Acutaly he has a point, those two test run on different OSs with different JVM on different hardware.

Hell is there anything that they even have in common? :p:

Size?? :p:
11-12-2008, 05:42 PM
Loudwater

Quote:

Originally Posted by justthefax

Those poor guys at Dell, maybe they couldn't afford a Windows 2008 license and so their Intel machine was crippled? And IBM refused to sell their JVM to Dell coz they're so meeeeean? :rofl:

And did you hear of the W2k8 SP1 security fix that cripples Dunningtons by turning their L3, L2 AND L1 caches off?

The real surprise is how well Intel scores even with its hands tied! Right Shintai? :clap:

What? That is total BS, 2008 does not turn off the cache.

Quit making things up.
11-12-2008, 06:16 PM
informal

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Originally Posted by Loudwater

What? That is total BS, 2008 does not turn off the cache.

Quit making things up.

It's called sarcasm if you didn't catch it in his post...
11-13-2008, 11:18 AM
Bellisimo

btw, the numbers of my post are correct, but i'am not gonna help you find the review
11-13-2008, 11:43 AM
informal

I will back up Bellisimo and post the link for the review :D :
http://www.hardware.info/en-US/produ...84WAL4DGIWOF/#

BTW,nice find Bellisimo :)
11-13-2008, 11:58 AM
Bellisimo

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

I will back up Bellisimo and post the link for the review :D :
http://www.hardware.info/en-US/produ...84WAL4DGIWOF/#

BTW,nice find Bellisimo :)

hehe :)
correct, it was quite fun playing with the URL's figuring out how to get to the benches :)
hope you guys were satisfied with results 2 days prior to launch
11-13-2008, 12:06 PM
gallag

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Originally Posted by Bellisimo

hehe :)
correct, it was quite fun playing with the URL's figuring out how to get to the benches :)
hope you guys were satisfied with results 2 days prior to launch

It did smack a bit of genius:D Fair play.
11-13-2008, 12:12 PM
informal

Yeah great job man :D.I never came across that site before ,thanks for sharing it's a great site!
11-17-2008, 06:14 PM
wiak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bellisimo

dont forget the server parts of amd always have downclocked NB/L3 and lame memory

too bad there arent any desktop benches available :(

true, phenom 9850 has higher HT/memory
opterons has lower speed why? its needs to have lower power usage to be used in 1U/2U servers, who wants to run a 140W Phenom 9950 in their server, it will overheat easy

given the fact that the new deneb phenoms are 125W vs 75W on opterons says something that the deneb is faster, due to its using more power

got it?

@Bellisimo, a x264 test would be nice :)
11-18-2008, 01:44 AM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiak

true, phenom 9850 has higher HT/memory
opterons has lower speed why? its needs to have lower power usage to be used in 1U/2U servers, who wants to run a 140W Phenom 9950 in their server, it will overheat easy

given the fact that the new deneb phenoms are 125W vs 75W on opterons says something that the deneb is faster, due to its using more power

got it?

@Bellisimo, a x264 test would be nice :)

No thats bull. The reason is chipsets and such. And its 125W TDP desktops vs 75W ACP Opterons. The 75W ACP is 105W TDP for 300mhz less. And that fits quite well with the later 2.8Ghz Deneb at 95W.
11-18-2008, 05:23 AM
Rammsteiner

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

No thats bull. The reason is chipsets and such. And its 125W TDP desktops vs 75W ACP Opterons. The 75W ACP is 105W TDP for 300mhz less. And that fits quite well with the later 2.8Ghz Deneb at 95W.

You could of have said that more... nice though.

Ive to agree on power consumption, but I dont see how chipsets limits the NB clocks at all.
11-18-2008, 05:27 AM
Gorguls

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2...7630432jw3.png
http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewto...?f=52&t=135802

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