[Autopsy] ATI Radeon HD 4870 Update: Review

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06-23-2008, 08:17 AM
Opteron146

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Originally Posted by ceevee

someone posted results for crysis 4870 at vr-zone, but seems fake. why would 4870CF scale so well in crysis when we know 4850CF doesn't really?

Maybe because the 4850 is bandwidth limited by GDDR3, while the 4870 isnt ?

@GDDR5 / 1GB cards:

Quimonda is ramping the 1Gb chip production in July, so expect first cards in the middle of July and broad availability in August.

cheers
06-23-2008, 08:28 AM
Unbornchild

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Originally Posted by chew*

did no one else notice that it appears that the card pictured has no cross fire capability?

http://www.blindnero.com/pictures/ATI-HD48702.jpg See it now? :)
06-23-2008, 08:31 AM
Papu

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Originally Posted by Unbornchild

http://www.blindnero.com/pictures/ATI-HD48702.jpg See it now? :)

Tri CF \0/
06-23-2008, 08:35 AM
NapalmV5

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

yes, 4 gpus in afr mode with each 512mb have only have 512mb for texture caching. Thats one of the reasons why you see quad sli failing (2xgx2) while 280gtx still can output a picture that seems to move and not only show less then 1fps. :p:

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

Erm, yes. You have the same data at the same time in the four cards.

Your avatar is ironic after reading you, remember we are not in the Voodoo days :ROTF::clap:

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Originally Posted by biohead

Good lord. Someone could punch you in the face and you wouldn't notice.

no different than voodoo days..

V5 = 2xcores/2x32MB 32MB texture caching

"yes correct" @ 512MB texture caching

and im talking rendering..

gpu/512MB - 100%
2xgpu/2x512MB - 2x50%
4xgpu/4x512MB - 4x25%

great discussion guys

everything u guys/i say: deja vu over and over the last 10 years..
06-23-2008, 08:41 AM
STaRGaZeR

OK now you were talking about rendering... sure.

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Originally Posted by NapalmV5

V5 = 2xcores/2x32MB 32MB texture caching

That is what we are saying dude.

You win :clap:
06-23-2008, 08:55 AM
generics_user

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Originally Posted by NapalmV5

lol so you too want to argue/oppose me..

im talking single 512MB

2 x 512MB is not same

frame buffer is mirrored, you still have the same as with 1 card....
06-23-2008, 08:56 AM
trt740

I read the recommended price of the 4870 is gonna be 349.99 can anyone confirm this?
06-23-2008, 08:58 AM
NapalmV5

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

OK now you were talking about rendering... sure.

That is what we are saying dude.

You win :clap:

yay! :clap:

u sure didnt read the whole post

its all there
06-23-2008, 08:59 AM
jVIDIA

A stupid question .... if DDR5 is not cheap then, why ATI didn't launch the 4870 with 1GB of DDR3 ? :shrug:
06-23-2008, 08:59 AM
kryptobs2000

So what's the consensus here? if I'm going to be keeping this card for about 6-9 months should I just get the 512mb variant or wait for the 1gb? I play at 1920x1200 btw.
06-23-2008, 08:59 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by jVIDIA

A stupid question .... if DDR5 is not cheap then, why ATI didn't launch the 4870 with 1GB of DDR3 ?

Performance
06-23-2008, 09:15 AM
Helmore

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Originally Posted by kryptobs2000

So what's the consensus here? if I'm going to be keeping this card for about 6-9 months should I just get the 512mb variant or wait for the 1gb? I play at 1920x1200 btw.

You will be fine with the 512MB variant, at least that's what all tests with a 512MB 3870 vs. a 1GB 3870 so far show. I'm just assuming that this will be the same for a 48x0. This is different on a 9800GTX though, there you would be better off to get a 1GB version over a 512MB version as is is not as efficient in memory handling.
06-23-2008, 09:18 AM
OCam

Silly Question...

Will physX still be supported in a software (x86, x64 cpu) mode? If so what is the big deal? There's alot of people running quad core cpu's with nothing running on 2 cores when gaming.
06-23-2008, 09:18 AM
Xoulz

This thread is hopeless...

Within a few eeks there will be 512mb and 1gig versions of both the HD4850 & HD4870. I fail to see why people are complaining.

As to the benefits of 512 or 1024... that depends on your resolution and the games texture cache. Both points are moot because this card will be offered in both forms, possible even with something in between..

So why all the whining?
06-23-2008, 09:23 AM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by Xoulz

Both points are moot because this card will be offered in both forms, possible even with something in between..

:confused:
06-23-2008, 09:27 AM
Hornet331

thers nothing "in between" :p

its either 512mb or 1024mb...
06-23-2008, 09:39 AM
perkam

1GB might be $329-$349, but the 512MB price is $299.

Perkam
06-23-2008, 10:23 AM
Luka_Aveiro

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Originally Posted by OCam

Silly Question...

Will physX still be supported in a software (x86, x64 cpu) mode? If so what is the big deal? There's alot of people running quad core cpu's with nothing running on 2 cores when gaming.

Yeah, but have you seen PhysX on a GPU yet? I don't think so... :rolleyes:
06-23-2008, 10:34 AM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro

Yeah, but have you seen PhysX on a GPU yet? I don't think so... :rolleyes:

Yes, in Cellfactor. With all the effects enabled the max you can get is 1-2 FPS, and with image corruption :D
06-23-2008, 10:38 AM
xlink

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Originally Posted by NapalmV5

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a 512,000,000 bit bus is pointless at this time and far too costly.

same was said about 128 -> 256-> now 512 and so will @ 1024

I was poking fun at him saying 512 MEGA bit interface.

I highly doubt any of us will see a day where 512,000,000 bit interfaces are used... that's 1,000,000 times the bus width we use today and the demand for wider buses isn't nearly as great as the demand for faster ICs and it's easier to get a chip running faster than it is to increase board complexity... I wouldn't be surprised to see a 2k or even a 16k interface within my life but a 512M isn't happening.
06-23-2008, 10:42 AM
71 (Bryan)

Holy cow, 12 watts on the fan alone, 1A :O
06-23-2008, 10:54 AM
biohead

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Originally Posted by 71 (Bryan)

Holy cow, 12 watts on the fan alone, 1A :O

That reminds me:

http://members.aol.com/pullingtracto...es/tornado.jpg
06-23-2008, 10:58 AM
biohead

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Originally Posted by xlink

I was poking fun at him saying 512 MEGA bit interface.

I highly doubt any of us will see a day where 512,000,000 bit interfaces are used... that's 1,000,000 times the bus width we use today and the demand for wider buses isn't nearly as great as the demand for faster ICs and it's easier to get a chip running faster than it is to increase board complexity... I wouldn't be surprised to see a 2k or even a 16k interface within my life but a 512M isn't happening.

²log(512*10^6) = 28.93.
2^28 = 268435456
2^29 = 536870912

512,000,000 phantom megabitz!!! :shocked:
06-23-2008, 11:01 AM
initialised

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Originally Posted by chew*

did no one else notice that it appears that the card pictured has no cross fire capability?

I believe that they are hidden behind the RAM/VRM heat spreader.
06-23-2008, 11:03 AM
Papu

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

Yes, in Cellfactor. With all the effects enabled the max you can get is 1-2 FPS, and with image corruption :D

lol i could play that game fine on a 3.0ghz C2d and an ati 2900 , cant remember the settings but the game sucks , the only cool thing was throwing 100+ boxes around at people XD

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