Modded Blocks In Hand!

Now that it's been explained to me (dee dee dee :p: ) I'm eager to see the improvements.

Is there an ETA on results Nick? I can see this possibly affecting evaps as well

As a representative of a retailer, and not just an anonymous member of a forum, I don't want to get too far into this debate, but IMO there are far better ways to improve mounting consistency than filing down the bases on all of your blocks.

2/3 times with a bowed APOGEE GT/GTX and 3/3 times with a FuZion I can get the exact same temps with my plastic backplate, bolts, and springs. That means at most I'd have to do a couple mounts to get the best temps. To me that's worth not voiding the warranty on my blocks, and not replacing them every time a different sized die comes out.

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Originally Posted by nealh

Maybe so..but most here are fighting for 1-2C improvement

Making a more consistent mount can seem to "yield huge temps improvements"... improper/poor mounts are a pain...if this seemly fixed it is a huge benefit IMHO

I think there will some benefit and the idea of a small bow with it seems real good...but how to create the "exact bowing amount" seems the biggest issue

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what about just putting a support in the center of the block(gt/gtx) to keep it flat under mounting pressure?

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Originally Posted by Linus@ncix

As a representative of a retailer, and not just an anonymous member of a forum, I don't want to get too far into this debate, but IMO there are far better ways to improve mounting consistency than filing down the bases on all of your blocks.

2/3 times with a bowed APOGEE GT/GTX and 3/3 times with a FuZion I can get the exact same temps with my plastic backplate, bolts, and springs. That means at most I'd have to do a couple mounts to get the best temps. To me that's worth not voiding the warranty on my blocks, and not replacing them every time a different sized die comes out.

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All very well said and done, but this is Xtreme Systems where pushing the edge of current tec is what we do.

Taking the best and tweaking it to find a way to make it better - nowt wrong with the mate. Thats what devlopment is and R&D and thats what Nick does best

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Originally Posted by Pete

All very well said and done, but this is Xtreme Systems where pushing the edge of current tec is what we do.

Taking the best and tweaking it to find a way to make it better - nowt wrong with the mate. Thats what devlopment is and R&D and thats what Nick does best

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And lets not forget that this kind of work isnt something that the average person will go out and do. I can comfortably say that even if this gave a 10c improvement in temps that I would not go out and have my blocks milled.

Not saying its a bad idea, far from it, its through innovations and experiments like this that watercooling is pushed to its limits. Cathar did the same with the Whitewater as well as the Storm, and its very possible nik is doing the same with this mod. Its these innovations that get companys that have the means to incorperate these ideas into their existing or or future products so that the average person who is lacking the resources or funding justification to do something such as have their blocks milled.

Im looking forward to seeing the results on this one.

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Originally Posted by Jimmer411

Cathar ery possible nik is doing the same with this mod

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Nick 1st post about it all he was saying he'd been talking with Cather no end about it and stuff.

Take the man that crated the WC sceen with the right kit and very talented guy and you get this.

I'd defo give it ago to try it for my self, old kit, if it cane be made to more advanced then nowt wrong with it

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Originally Posted by rosco

Here it is (from one topic on this forum). It's for Kentsfield IIRC but it's not important, it's almost the same each time when dealing with 2 dies. A ~23x14 mm area here just above dies (without taking account of the heat spreading).

No time to make experiments with that trick for the moment, but obviously it's better than nothing if you don't want to lap your IHS and keep your warranty :)

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http://www.stealth-and-mutilation.co.../core_spec.jpg

I just found this thread today ... good thing I read through all the posts first ... I was about to link nikhsub1 to that image on my server, but I see that you beat me to it.

It's about as exact as I could get it. My measurements were taken from a QX6700 diagram. As you said though, until the next die-size emerges these should be fairly accurate for the Quad-Core procs. :up:

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Originally Posted by Jimmer411

And lets not forget that this kind of work isnt something that the average person will go out and do. I can comfortably say that even if this gave a 10c improvement in temps that I would not go out and have my blocks milled.

Not saying its a bad idea, far from it, its through innovations and experiments like this that watercooling is pushed to its limits. Cathar did the same with the Whitewater as well as the Storm, and its very possible nik is doing the same with this mod. Its these innovations that get companys that have the means to incorperate these ideas into their existing or or future products so that the average person who is lacking the resources or funding justification to do something such as have their blocks milled.

Im looking forward to seeing the results on this one.

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Bingo

Although given a fuzion is $60-65..I would get it milled if I could find someone to do it and right without charging me a arm and a leg

Wait, what is the possibility that the sharp corners could actually depress the material of the IHS after awhile? If that was so then you couldn't use anything else to cool whatever cpu is used under the block.

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Originally Posted by ColonelCain

Wait, what is the possibility that the sharp corners could actually depress the material of the IHS after awhile? If that was so then you couldn't use anything else to cool whatever cpu is used under the block.

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lol... i was going to comment about that.

Your basically SOL on the next line of blocks that came out. But i figure if the block technology doesnt change any. Then there at its pinicle.

However, if its goign to be a one bang thing on the CPU, and not just the block, might as well go all out and silver it.

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Originally Posted by ColonelCain

Wait, what is the possibility that the sharp corners could actually depress the material of the IHS after awhile? If that was so then you couldn't use anything else to cool whatever cpu is used under the block.

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Should not be a problem...

Anyone tried a round 26.9mm diameter step?
It'd get rid of the corners.
What's the width of the IHS outer rim?

nothing like looking outside the square, eh?

Does anyone have an idea what the base of the Fuzion weighs? :confused:

I don't know much about removing the IHS, but it seems like that would be the easier/cheaper solution. Although, I guess the size of the IHS doesn't change too much throughout the generations. You are talking about tailoring water cooling components to specific systems. If you really need those extra degrees, then maybe TEC, refrigeration would be easier.
At the same time, I do think its cool to try and get the most out of plain ol' water.
Your theory does make sense though, and I am curious too see the results.
How's this for a wild idea.
With the IHS still attached to the cpu.
Have your machinist bottom tap the corners of the IHS.
Then have him machine a groove near the perimiter for an o-ring and
have him carve out a pin configuration on the IHS.
Then all you have to do is get a matching top.
That way the IHS is the water block. Cut out the middle man.

Sorry, I know it's a stupid idea. But its something that always comes up when I'm thinking about how to get rid of the thermal losses assosiated with the thermal interface and irregular mounting pressure.

IHS's are no longer 'easily' removable. They are now welded to the cores and require not-so-safe quick heating of the chip to melt the solder and attempt removal. It also requires a big set of balls, and someone who isn't scared by the possibility of killing their chip. That being said, it's been done before by many people, but I wouldn't even come close to calling it a mainstream option.

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Originally Posted by EnJoY

IHS's are no longer 'easily' removable. They are now welded to the cores and require not-so-safe quick heating of the chip to melt the solder and attempt removal. It also requires a big set of balls, and someone who isn't scared by the possibility of killing their chip. That being said, it's been done before by many people, but I wouldn't even come close to calling it a mainstream option.

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2 mins it took to my X6800. No problems but when it pops it pops and you need a way to stop it going flying

nice :up:

OK! The idea totally works! Now, does it work better than a bow? That we will see soon! The Stepped storm performed about 2C better than the best normal storm and almost 4C better than the worst mount... I've only done one mount thus far, now I want to get a apogee GT on there and see how she goes vs. a bowed apogee gt.

^^^how are you measuring temps^^^

and how are you controlling testing conditions >> temps/humidity etc

nice! at the very least there still improvement...

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Originally Posted by dinos22

^^^how are you measuring temps^^^

and how are you controlling testing conditions >> temps/humidity etc

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Sigh, I guess no one sees any threads I make.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=151781

Go speed racer, Go!

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