Nice 06 score! What cooling do you have on those cards?
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Nice 06 score! What cooling do you have on those cards?
That 22 C, is that evap temp or CPU temp? If evap temp, yes, very scary!Quote:
Originally Posted by rjw
Also, yes 2 instances of orthos dual core, or 4 single core instances of orthos, will burn all 4 cores - the heat generated is amazing!
PS - thanks for more info, I'm just trying to understand better about quads and phase!
Here are some instructions for settings up multiple primes 95's
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16446
Thanks..I just ran 03 and I think I have top score on this forum as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sneil
At the moment, mcw60's on the gpu's and heatsinks on the mem
Running a dual wc system
One cools first card and nb, other cools 2nd card and the RED hot sb
as far as stability of the cpu, it's fine at 4.3 to 4.35 for benches.
Orthos ...4.2 is rock stable.
I have too many cpus/mb's kicking around ..and am into a benching mode these days.
Once I settle on a cpu/mb combo for my 2 24/7 computers, then I'll worry about orthos and the more real world tests.
To date, I have run the quads at 4.2 Ghz/1.47v orthos stable for 30 minutes at a time on any pairr of cores. Running small/large /blend ,etc.
22C is the cpu temp as read in probe 2 on the asus p5n32-e sli or in speedfan on the evga 680i
The one vapochill (strongest out of the box) developed a bad temp sensor, so when I replcaced it, I placed it right onto where the cpu and evaporator meet.. It reads more realistic than the oem location which is probably 15 to 20 C colder.
My other units do not perform near as well, so I am having Jin build me a good one at the moment.
Then I'll send him the vapo's to see what he can do with them.
No question , a loaded quad core can create a lot of heat if the voltage is high.
Strange how one of mine just seems to be getting better and doesn't create all that much heat.
I couldn't run it over 4.3Ghz very relialy, but today , it decided to run at 4.35 without a hitch
the other one is struggling with 4.275Ghz at the moment.
Ahh very nice. The above statement I quoted about "any pair of cores", do you mean you are disabling two of the cores to get these speeds? What about having all 4 cores enabled, what is the best orthos stable speed/voltage?Quote:
Originally Posted by rjw
Thanks!
I gave up on running Quad Core under SS. It just goes to the positives too easy. I sent my unit to Jinu to get modded but felt he would really have to sacrifice temperatures to keep loads high. Wanted to have a cooler single stage so I just went back to X6800 for the time. Am intrigued to get my SS back and test out my X6800. I think with 45nm Quadcore will be better, but until then it is simply too much heat for 24/7. Maybe the occassional bench is ok, but if your cpu is at 22 I wouldn't be running it for very long.
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Originally Posted by elsupremo
No...I get 4.3 to 4.35 Ghz on all 4 cores. However, scores in the older versions of 3Dmark are better on 2 cores.
I run 3dm06 on 4 cores at 4.3Ghz.
I think that these chips need a little more burning in (possibly).
The better of my 2 quads just doesn't get anywhere near as hot as the other, and now likes 4.35Ghz @ 1.74v on the evga board.
Thanks for providing all this information.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjw
When you are doing the burn using orthos what is your cpu usage? 50 percent or 100 percent?
The reason why I ask is because if I open two instances of dual core orthos It only does 50 percent usage on the burn. So for me I use prime 95 and modify the shortcuts and then I have 100 percent usage.
Please let me know if the test you did was 50 percent or 100 percent usage.
Thanks very much,
Steven
To JIN ...if all this is cluttering up your post, let us know so we can take it to a new post
thx
I did some testing using 2 instinces of dual orthos running simultaneously. Here are some preliminary results.
All testing done with quad core on evga mb, vcore set to auto and on stock vapochill.
I set the second orthos to run on cores 2 and 3, the first orthos defaults to 0 and 1
All 4 cores loaded cpu usage is 100% this one is at 3.2Ghz cpu at -12c
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1165852057
This one is at 3.733Ghz cpu at -3c
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1165852057
This one at 4Ghz cpu at +3C
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1165852057
So, in my case as a daily driver at 4 ghz, this isn't all that bad for a 50% oc on a stock vapochill.
on a side note, the evga board did quite well, in that vcore was set to auto and showed up as 1.18v in speedfan. if you can see, under load the board bumped the voltage up quite a bit to keep up with the load. I think around 1.48v at 4Ghz.
I am sure that you must be getting better results with your Jin units?
No problem at all. This helps me figuring out my future strategy definitely.
RJW, I appreciate your patience in giving us this information. It is important, for the sake of knowing what to realistically and practically expect from the phase units, for us to have some points of comparison, 100% orthos stable being one of them. Thanks again.
RJW is graciously lending me quad core and motherboard for me to load test this week. Hopefully I will have my testing here indendently done while working on few units to find out which way would be best to go and have new references on load condition.
I think that we may be looking at the limits of the current quad core rather than the phase units.Quote:
Originally Posted by elsupremo
I say this because if you look around, there aren't a lot of people doing well over 4.2 to 4.3 ghz with the qx6700, with any cooling and at any voltage.
If I am wrong, then I would like to see the results.
I believe that the fellow over at vr-zone got his up to 4.75Ghz on a cascade, but stated that it wasn't benchable or stable in any way.
Looking forward to what you figure out Jin...the stuff is on its way. I will pm the tracking info
Hey guys,
I tested the quad more today and finally got stable at 4.0ghz. My cpu needs more volts then rjw's. Here is the screen shot to compare.
(Jin the controler display in the front of the case read -34 during this burn if that helps out. )
Thanks RJW for posting your results it helped me out.
EEEk... -34c on display... that sounds like to me on the edge temp :P Just be careful to keep an eye on it so that it doesn't shut down your system.
also seems strange that his cpu temp in speedfan is 9c while mine was at 3c with stock vapochill?????
same mb, same cpu, same software monitoring?
However, if you look closely at my 3.2 and 3.7 ghz tests, speedfan shows system temp at 127C !!!
Need some new software I think.
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Originally Posted by jinu117
:( My orthos starts to fail after 15-20 minutes on those specs. I tried raising the volts by .15 increase but it made the evap go to -31 c so I can not raise volts.
I will probably have to lower the speed a bit to get it stable longer.
was your cpu temp still going up or did it remain the same?
Mine rose slowly to 3c at 4ghz, but actually stayed between 2 and 3 c after the initial rise.
Freecableguy is supposed to come out with a plugin for mbm (motherboard monitor) that will read the temps of the 4 cores.
I suspect that perhaps Intel does not care to match the 4 cores as far as what heat or speed they can reach. So if one core is overheating, the whole cpu takes a nose dive.
It's always a problem when you get the first run or the first generation.
Out of 3 that I have tested, they all had different heat/voltage characteristics.
1 ran super hot and required lots of voltage, another was better and thankfully the 3rd one likes low voltage and runs a lot cooler.
Mind you I just oc the best one a little more.
I have 4 E6600 chips that have similar differences. I can oc one of them to 4.7 Ghz, but the other 3 fall short by a bit to a lot
My ex6800 is a real dog. It can't do more than 4.2 Ghz withour having a crash attack at will.
Hopefully Jin will figure out what to do with these quads.....:)
Working my ass off on it for last... 5 days? I've built change, etc of about 15 iteration at this point. (2 vacuum pump running 24x7)
well, if ups doesn't mess up, you should have a quad and mb in your hands tomorrow, or should I say later today.
That should add to your workload a bit, maybe??? :) :banana: :banana:
While I am working on figuring out new tuning needed for quad core, the vapomods and (gasp...) cascade is progressing on on side.
I wanted to mention something to people about importance of shipping... this isn't first time and this won't be last...
This is Yoxxy's vapochill that came in original packing I believe.
http://www.vapoli.com/images/Forum/IMG_9781.JPG
Notice what happened to the foam? This IS VERY common. Out of about 10 units I modified (2 of them local and 8 shipped to me), only 2 units didn't have this kind of damage. It doesn't matter if you put securing screw in there as screw doesn't have ANY leverage on bottom of case and will actually bend case when it gets shocked... Fortunately, this one didn't suffer much damage I think.
http://www.vapoli.com/images/Forum/IMG_9778.JPG
Basically sidepanel dinged by force of compressor knocking on it. It might have been from factory... Yoxxy can confirm that.
http://www.vapoli.com/images/Forum/IMG_9782.JPG
Strangely enough LCD on this unit just lights up with Chill control I have in hand. I am wondering if it is mismatched version or something. Please, when you send in modification, send in chill control with the unit guys :) It's much easier to eliminate all the potential problem up front. In the mean time, I had another customer's chill control and LCD handy to use.
http://www.vapoli.com/images/Forum/IMG_9783.JPG
Ambient is tad cool and compressor didn't quite warm up on this quickie run :)
It could be that also diff version of chill control with diff version of probe... regardless, unit is tuned for 200w load :)
It will be instapacked double boxed as usual and will be shipped out on monday :)
How is the quad stuff going
are you ready to tweak my unit yet? :)
Keep us posted...:banana:
What do you mean yet? :) I have been :)
Just going through much eating of cap tubing and iterations of recharging... :)
I think I am quite close to getting there atm.
As for the vapochill, Is LCD display of -46c at 200w good? :)
Hey Jin, see this vacuum pump?
robinair copy? could do miracles if you would literly take the website's word :p
Eeek 40 micron rated vacuum pump for that price?! I will skip out :) I have been eyeing yellow jacket one for some time. It feels much heavier probably meaning less noisey. I am not sure if I like my robinair too much to be honest. I usually do last evac with a lab-grade maximus vacuum pump 2cfm (yes 2cfm) rated converted for HVAC use. Funny thing is, I consistantly get faster and better vacuum from this... 70-80lbs monster 1/3hp 2 stage vacuum pump than from 30-40lbs robinarie 2 stage 6cfm... (faster pull down, down to where I deem finally evac'd). It was "old clunker" I picked up from a buddy when I started and funny enough, it's still the best vac pump I've seen. I search on e-bay for decent one like that to be converted but even for old used equipment, price isn't cheap. (leybod is another term to search for this... you need to convert it to have MPT fitting etc quite often though).
This pump is about 2-3 times quieter than the robinair and just better since I don't have to carry it to somewhere.... (typically... that is).
Anyone have some pics of a fully set-up and loaded lian-li (mobo, HDs, phase in place, etc.)?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Speederlander
here is some pics of mine it is a little cluttered i am going to tackle that over x-mas.
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6...2312od7.th.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9...2315vu9.th.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8...2314sn8.th.jpg
i got more if there is something in particular you would like to see.
specs:
e6600 week 30a
asus p5b deluxe unmodded 804 bios
crucial 10th anniversary ram 2gb
1900xtx@722/855
water cooling for gpu only dangerden maze 4, dd 80.2 rad ,dd mag 2 le
seagate 250 sata hdd
ads mce compatible tv tuner
windows 2005 mce os
samsung dvd w/ lightscribe
enermax liberty 500 (soon to be replaced)
2 19" starlogic lcd monitors
and of course a vapoli tuned for load.
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1...8933tr0.th.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3...2111jl9.th.jpg
Nice unit for sure, and specs (cpu...)?
regards
thank you and i added the info the the previous post:DQuote:
Originally Posted by LittleDevil
-46 at 200w...sounds good to me...:toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
So , you have had some luck with the quad ss?
anxiously awaiting results!!
rig in sig :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Speederlander
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/8...e020dm6.th.jpg
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/4...e022jn1.th.jpg
Thanks folks. :)
I don't have any really close up pics but here is my setup in sig:Quote:
Originally Posted by Speederlander
http://www.auction-junkie.com/pcstuff/DESK1_th.jpg
http://www.auction-junkie.com/pcstuff/DESK2_th.jpg
Muahahaha... I just realized... I am SUCH noob now that I've been out of overclocking scene for last 1 year (too busy building stuff).
Okay, got the windows installed with quad setup rjw have supplied me with (quad and mobo), and now I am not sure where to go... :)
#1. I am looking for some temp reader that can read temp from software to see how much differential will i get vs evap.
#2. I am looking for setFSB or some software that can overclock.
#3. I am looking for some general guideline on quick overclocking... not looking to break any record here just trying to genereate GOOD amount of heat to get some idea.
Thanks for any help guys :) Man, I feel noob again :)
PS) evap sitting at -40c or so and not moving much with quad specific tune on nf10fx for rjw. Windows install I think I saw -39.8c... I've just shoved in 1.65v bios setting (reading 1.59 in bios) for time being just to get some idea which isn't helping much obviously... (yes one of sucky no load temp but tuned much much more for heavy load setting where first 150w isn't going to change much of temp).
I'm assuming rjw lent you one of his evga 680i boards...please do us a favor, and just use BIOS for overclocking. The quad cpu cannot do much FSB overclocking with the evga board, so most likely the best thing to do is just increase the multiplier in the system clocks section, and increase the vcore as needed (what you have already increased to should be enough for maybe 15 multi). Download orthos and set it up to stress all four cores. Rjw will have specifics on settings and how to get Orthos running for 4 cores. This should generate a very good amount of heat. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
Also, a program called Speedfan is the most accurate (for this board) that I've seen to read CPU temps in Windows.
Whoa....
The unit which held 230w just collapsed in record time when i pused dual orthos!!! 4ghz 1.65v. I am not sure how much more room do i have with this evap at this point to be honest... -_-; Time to retest.
With that cpu and mb, as stated, just use multiplier to oc the cpu
15x gets you 4Ghz
First step, is LEAVE vcore on auto, fsb on AUTO.
Boot into bios and let it sit there, to monitor temps.
If it can't pass that test, then regroup...
As also stated, use speedfan to monitor temps in windows.
Copy DUAL orthos into 2 different folders.
Rename the exe in 2nd folder to something like orthos2.exe
Start orthos from the first folder, then start from second folder.
open taskmanager and in processes, set affinity for SECOND orthos to cpu 2 and 3
First orthos will default to cpu's 0 and 1
start first orthos then second.
You should see that all 4 core are being used.
with vapichill (stock) at 4 Ghz, cpu temp in speedfan was around 3C to 9c with that setup, and held steady for 15 minutes.
DO NOT set vcore manually until it can pass that test.
Some quads go thru the roof when vcore is upped and others do not.
The quad you have is middle of the road. I had one that ran a lot hotter and aniother that runs cooler.
Also , make note of what speedan and the bios say that vcore is at (when in auto)..should be around 1.47 loaded
So if you can get that one into the negatives with vcore on auto, then next step is to up the fsb, just a little.
Not knowing your mem type, in fsb settings, change from auto to linked. set mem to auto or synch, which will lower mem speed as much as possible.
Then just up fsb from 1067 in steps of 5 or 10 Mhz. and retest.
Hopefully, you ill find a happy orthis home somewhere between 4 and 4.2 Ghz.
4.2 and up would not be for a 24/7 machine, but for benchers (like me)
Let us know how you make out and call me if you have questions.
btw , I have had that setup at 1.74 v (1.8 in bios)..not orthos stable, but ran plenty of benches at 4.25 Ghz.
4Ghz is a good target for a stable machine. anything over is pot luck. However, I would like to see a stbale temp at the higher speeds, even if it isn't -40c or anything like that.
I have run my vopos at -3c, and loaded at up to +7c on some of my cpus and had no problems benching, but I wouldn't call that a 24/7 setup, just a benching setup.
What does "collapsed" mean? Temps beyond what you like or temps high enough to seriously impact functionality of the phase system?Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
Quote:
Originally Posted by Speederlander
Unit could not handle the heatload, pressures go up (along with temp) and you scramble to shut off the computer before something gets damaged
:D
You stopped working or something? or are you just so streamlined now that they all look perfect and identical :)
They look pretty identical and I really didn't have time to update thanks to prepping up for CES... :P
And doing housework on top of all other things... my wife is having VERY bad case of morning sickness... I've been starving for last 2 weeks.
Fresh install of winxp to break 10s barrier ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
Compare with my score:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5014/10969rc4.jpg
Nice overclocking.
Anyways, sorry for not updating thread, etc. I've been busy prepping up for CES and I will be out next week on show. You will see a lot that I've been working on when I come back :)
Sorry for this question but what is CES?
http://www.cesweb.org/default.aspQuote:
Originally Posted by Moc
Yeah that is what it is, I will be heading out bit later and will be mostly around Lian-Li booth.
I just realized I might be resurrecting DAMNED old thread but so be it :)
One of few units getting shipped out... Long over due one too. I am quite happy with how this turned out. Thank you very much for all the support and patience this customer has shown me (and of course few others too :P)
Pic is Mach I repair/modification with chilly1 evap and vapochill mounting kit. As typical there is K-type if someone wants more appropirate temp reading. Funny enough, this mach's thermistor is actually quite decent though :)
Quick shot waiting for instapak to warm up for packing.
Hey Jinu,
Nice looking unit, mix of 2 big companies well know and then a few parts of indervidual guys all via your very skillfull hands. Great to see your back and 1st unit out. Welcome back fella and take it easy
Woh, looks like my buddys. But he has the clamshell. I cant wait for him to get it back then we can see who's is better.
Welcome back Jin.
Great to see you back here Jin.
Well since I am thinking about different project at the moment, it is important that I make kits that would work well. (Dremel is not an option sometimes)
Here is quick proto of 5.25" bay fit in.
I am pondering about snap in mount cut out for controller or attach it from behind for clean look...
that would be awesome, especially if you sell them, people that want to try building their own in-case phase systems could really use that
Nice idea Jin - maybe you can make some plexi fillers for different types of controllers for the cooler cases. :down:
Thumb down? :P Are you sure Ron?
I sure as well could.
This is old repair from Golden Froster... which customer had numerous problems with... to my new method of controlling. Danger30Q this is how it looks.
With case closed, I am sure it will look darker inside :)
Kind of funny how I finally got my laser cutter before things happened and now I finally get to use it for it's effectiveness... Can't say same about the CNC sitting in the corner yet. Once I clean the plate I may have time to get back to that one.
Yes Jin I like it ;) The red display looks fine and goes well with the red power switch light. I can see the display through the plexi really clear. I can't believe your getting -88C on that single stage :eek:
whoa whao whoa, you have a laser cutter and a cnc machine? pics?
second, welcome back!!!
-88? Looks like -28 to me.
Hmmm, I thought Ron jokingly said -88... but I could be wrong... Maybe behind plexi was not a good idea :)
Wheee... just finished up 7th SS unit of the week. I am totally gone now :P
Think this should survive :) I think he knows what this is :)
Soon to be instapacked inside just in case and lid on.
you are working tough and nice dude.. :toast:
OMG - :D I was joking with Jin. Leave it behind the plexi Jin, It is so clean that way. I think your wooden crate will make it to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2long4u
I will put this drop-in you send me in one of my cases and add Freeze Pack Controller. It will make a nice cooler :up:
Thought so :)
It was old NF9FX unit that came in for leak repair :) Way before time of quad popularity anyways.. :) Was load testing at 250w at that point I think... had to detune a little as I didn't like the pressure on high side.
Man my back hurts a little after moving these. Awkward angle to lift those double boxed box. I am seriously thinking about future shipment in wood box at this point at least for outside. The handle does make it nice to move it around.
That wooden box surely looks sturdy! No postal guy is going to break that.
But does it add a lot of extra costs?
Jin -
It is awesome that your back on your feet. Thank you for getting all your past cooler business takin care of. It is great to have you back and on top of things. Thats a big pile of boxes!!:eek:
Thank you:up:
Box doesn't add too much to cost for above sizes. Instpak I use for packing isn't cheap to begin with and I do have to use a lot for double boxing.
Only real cost added to me is making the box time which is added labor. And a little more on shipping cost.
I am using the box ideas for barebone units and soon to come drop in units... (can't figure out fancy name for it... help? :)
Maybe I will just put it as additional option for typical things... who knows... ...
Today morning before load testing/tuning another unit...
Different thermal cut off switch. Easier to put in... some of you might recognize the type from Mach I :)
I have been meaning to make this on CNC, maybe 10 or so to distribute it among some builders... never worked out and I really don't have time/inclination to program CNC at the moment :) Priorities...
Will have to see how this works :)
Barebones in a wodden box
You could always make the boxs coffin shaped and be more fitting with the barebones then.
Great to have you back
I always remembered you tuning for 200watts Jinu, whend you move to 250?
Before I left off... not to 250w. 250w always is just test for me to see where the extent of it is :) Typically best temp around 210w or so and a little plus gets you 250w capacity for an hour or so (well at least in my systems).Quote:
Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337
I did make some units heavily tuned but they tend to suck up too much power -_-;
Well, here is another Vapoli v2000. Actually, it was meant to be a drop in unit I was working on (planning to go that route as modifying case takes way too much time unfortunately and bit nervous job considering cost of the case).
It is cleaner than before with some improvements made. The LED front panel from the drop in unit.
No more high voltage on top section of it... in fact, there isn't much way you can get to it in bottom section either :)
I've made some circuits inside the box to do following in conjunction with the LED controller.
1) Delay when compressor shuts off (currently set at 3 mins). This will keep it safer to play with which is one of primary reason we need controller for.
2) Shut off computer when evap temp reaches beyond what I would consider the limit (-25c) to protect various functions. And it is not done by power button, etc, it will cut off PSU powersuply to make sure.
3) Don't let PSU power in until evap is cold enough to start the system (set at -35c).
One thing I really like doing it this way is...
#1. it's damned reliable haven't had a problem yet :)
#2. it reads excellent temp (k-type). In par with fluke (not as granular but within +/- 1c)
#3. You can turn off computer/restart without having to turn off the phase change unit. We all know how bothersome it can be when overclocking :)
I think this turned out rather clean. Basic plan was to have 18 gauge sheet metal bottom that would just slide in there... which would reduce hefty amount of shipping cost (v2000 is oversize category once double boxed), make it more affordable for some people who might not want all bells and whistles or DIY who likes making their own cases, etc as well as being more versatile... (single platform being able to cater many different need).
Enjoy :)
Uhmmmm finger print... here comes windex :)
Looks nice Jin.
Looking good! Where will the power supply fit in the above system?
Very nice indeed, is that a NEK?
Yes, I am getting hang of NEK now. Good thing about the compressor is that it doesn't run hot (yet to see 70c on most tuning I did under extremely prolonged load condition, typically sits around 60c). Bad thing is it's taller than NF9 or NF10 (about same height as NF11FX), can't fit into Vapochill LS, and cuts about half inch of psu space in v2000 situation (still enough to fit most large PSU without issue).
Right now I think my limit lies more on evap than anything else. The condenser is just incredible, compressor is good for high load condition, and seems to be evap just don't like too much heat I would like to subject it to sometimes. I am playing with evap a little more as of now... (sandblasting for few, some changes, etc).
I can't wait to play with Ron's new evap :) That might be the big break I've been looking for.
Yep, sounds good Jin.
On another note, have you compared to a little blue? Or just takes up to much room?
Amazing to see you salving away like a workhorse to catch up.
However ignoring all the phase stuff.
How are you now, all okay? (had not really seen anyone ask so i though i'd be polite and make sure ya fireing back on clinders)
Thank you very much. My health has been in excellent condition since end of may time frame. Something else (3 of them) came up which prevented me from coming back to it. Those problems out of 3, 2 are gone now but one is still outstanding but nothing much I can do about it so I am doing what I can do about my life for time being... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete
2 out of 3 aint nowt to sniff at i guess and seeing you here is great. Least i have an extra expert here now to bagger for help and adivce. Really impressed how you just get on with it all manQuote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
I want to thank you Jin for following thru on your obligation. I received it yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
I hope everything runs a little smother for you from here on out.
Thank you for your patience and following through your side of obligation Goatboy. I hope you are having fun right now :)
I finally cleaned up my workshop... haven't cleaned up office yet so that door is closed :P
Not sure what I showed people before but here it goes :)
1. CNC mill sits in lonely corner there. It really hasn't seen too much use yet due to what has transpired but will be valuable for R&D for sure in time to come.
2. My electric station :) And "benching" station... not sure when was time I really used that benching station side of story. It was more used for load testing on live CPU.
3. General machinery side I guess. Bandsaw, drill press, mini lathe, scroll saw, and tool rack on left for not too often used tools.
4. Okay, the place I spend most time, load testing, storage of unit in progress, evac, etc all happens here. The 2 assembled units under are actually my previous small sized autocascade experiment :P Probably will need to get hacked away as the capacity was great but temp suffered under heavy load.
5. The other side of view. Laser Engraver is actually being heavily utilized now. It could be better machine but it does it's job fine for time being... (excuse that loose wire... I just put that network wire there just now... yes, it seems like I turn HVAC/R, electrician, plumber, manual labourer whatever I need to do at time... time to tidy up some wires)
Nice shop Jin :up:
Make me something:D
What, like a sandwich? Can you overclock a pastrami on rye?Quote:
Originally Posted by runmc
I'd say you got enough toys to make things happen jin but you forgot to mention the most important, :D the mini fridge.
explain to me the laser engraver? neve heard of one...
and dude, that cnc mill... its tiny! i love it! how much was it/link?
i love your shop...
First of all, my freezer typically is empty.... I go through a lot of drinks... (soda/gatorade/water)... Typically I am stuck in this area as of last few weeks...
My laser engraver is DSP controlled stepper based 50w laser cutter basically.
Can't cut metal, etc but can cut most of things that doesn't create toxic fumes (it could but I rather not :P) It's not that cheap unfortunately but since I got it from China, other than computer part, etc total cost came out around $5-6k. If you get it in US for decent one of that bed size... typically expect over 10k. It can also engrave (like making those plaque, etc). I suppose I could utilize it to make custom fan grills per request, etc... :P But for time being, I think I will stick to using it for what I use it for.
Same goes with the CNC machine. It's actually Sieg Super X3 mill converted into CNC by Chinese company. I've got pretty much all option possible on it and paid less than what they offer it for now (www.syil.com) since I got it before the US company started. (Of course, I ended up being semi-guinea pig) Involved cost on this one went up rather quick as I ended up getting bobcad/cam/mach 3, etc. What happend for both machines were that living in S. Cal where aerospace industry is heavy, the shops tend to be pretty damn snotty (good shops typically backlogged by a year or so work plan) and have absolutely no interest in prototype work or small qty work. (anything below 1000 is small qty... even 1000 is marginal at best)
Only thing I ended up cutting with the CNC machine was foam for mounting enclosure, one enclosure, and some aluminum playing around things. I do plan to reactivate the machine and get it working for few things I really need to get machine soon.
One thing I don't like right now in my shop is the horizontal bandsaw (can't really see it well from pic) which I picked up from harborfreight rather cheap... and cheap does it... -_-; Can never seem to get straight cut of copper... I would love to replace that but it will have to wait since my budget is extremely tight for few reasons.
Kind of funny that these 2 big tools don't even equate to refrigeration related tools I have in cost... Damned HVAC/R tools are too expensive really...
What I really need is bigger shop space and few more machinary lol. (Router comes to mind as well as about 4 ft sheet metal bender) Really hate paying shops big money for even simple things on this... (maybe I could rent the shop equipment at their place? ;P)
This is good old machine that took trip with me to CES. I am trying to clean up any old things that are in here right around time I had to take break away due to my health problem and few other things :) I didn't realize I had so many things standing for experiments, improved design, etc that never got to public. This one basically got cleaned, electronics reworked to safer standard, and semi local customer (way from Fresno!!! Wow... that's easy 300 mile drive) came in today morning, we had some good time getting it installed, and not so good time trying to overclock... :) All of us happened to be noob at Intel overclocking game... OMG...
Major change you will notice is the mounting mechanism. It has metal back plate, in between nut, so you won't have to take the whole thing apart to change CPU, heavy duty springs (I need to find sleeve for it so it doesn't flex some other ways), m4 screw which is stronger than 6/32 just because it is larger, and pretty darn expensive thumbnut. But it is soooo much easier on the fingers to tighten them up. In fact, it would be very easy to overtighten the mounting to point where board might flex.
Right now, I am using what seems to be 18 gauge galvanized steel for backplate with some precut neoprene (which will be changed to adhesive backed ones), but future plan includes 1/8" thick aluminum milled, drilled and tapped to make it even easier and better to use. Think of it as what was missing in chilly1 installation kit to make it easier and more consistant for end users. I know there is another one that should receive this new kit shortly to try out... :)
Now, I need someone's help (or a lot of :))
We tried to load tune for perfection to the CPU on EVGA 680i + QX6600 G0 stepping and ran into many problems trying to stablize the thing. The temperature read out was excellent and I am bit miffed at not being able to have fine tuned the machine for extreme condition of CPU considering he probably won't change CPU for long time and it would be better for him to get about 4-5c better temperature during general usage (keep in mind this unit was tuned with VERY first generation of Quad extreme at 1.55-1.6v for CES show quad priming at it's max overclock... way overkill for newer CPU and most likely future CPU).
I have suggest my customer, Shalamay, to post in XS for help but I would appreciate if someone who is handy with step by step instruction of trying to figure this one out would be very nice :) (Typically last 3 will trip out on stability test and it didn't help we had vista 64 business version running to test it out -0-). If anyone can help, you could shoot PM to Shalamay or see if he posted and follow up :) I personally would really appreciate that.
Your trying to figure out how to tune for max load on this chip? Or are you trying to max out the OC on the already max tuned SS? I dont quite understand what your are asking.
Detuning it for load... I knew this unit held 250w back in CES time frame... :)
And this customer is one who won't be changing CPU for quite some time to come and G0 being much cooler, I wanted to make compressor have easier time cooling as well as better temperature for him... so what I wanted was best temperature for max load he will do with the CPU... of course, we couldn't since we suck at oc'ing Intel... (for now that is... keep in mind I've been out of scene for 9-10 months).
I hope he gets some nice clocks as quick mobo reading from start showed very interesting temperature from system monitor (which shouldn't be trusted really but entertaining nonetheless).
I went to Jin's yesterday, just under 600 miles rond trip, but it was fun and we told alot of stories..hahahha. For some reason, when running prime95 and setting it were it would run on each core (so four apps at the same time, one per core) the fourth core (or core 3 sine 0 is a core) would close the app, but the other three cores would keep running. On its own, it ran it fine, but anytime it was running with the others it would close the app or with orthos it would freeze. I posted in the intel section int he evga 680i and q6600 section if you don't mine helping me oc this thing. We did get it to post at 4.5 at 1.6v, but it would not load windows.
Jin has a nice place and is a great guy. The workman ship is great. He has alot of new ideas and it will be fun watching them develop. He has some crazy stuff going on and units all other the place. Oh, did that cascade find its way into my truck when I left??? Sorry about that Jin. He has some nice units being built. I really like my new unit and how well built it is. The tuning is great the temps are outstanding. Thanks Jin.
well if you have it tuned for higher load than it needs, and you are crashing on orthos, then the OC is too high and you need to clock down. Not a problem with the phase. Leave the system tuned until you find a stable OC, then detune to system to match it. To OC the 680i, I got one with a qx6700 so I know what you are going through, you will have to go through the BIOS each time. SETFSB would be great if you had an intel chipset but 680i is kind of a pain and the nvidia OC software sux, at least for me. I would say that if you're crashing at 4.5 your max stable OC is probably around 4.3. Did you try upping voltage to 1.655-1.7? Also, it could be that the voltage isnt stable enough. I HIGHLY recommecd you do the vcore and vdroop mods for this board. It is really easy and will help you out a TON. Might even be able to reach that 4.5 stable. Also, use orthos, I think that does a better job of loading your cores evenly to stress test
Heres the link for the vcore mod page
orthos isn't always stable, even on stock clock.. I don't trust that program.
I haven't quite figured out the name yet. This seems to be closest to what future will hold for me in various aspect. Since the very first one, it has been a long journey.
Condenser is new condenser back from january time frame which has rifled tubing having most efficiency it can have with current technology. I reckon about 8 units has shipped with this condenser to this date.
Case is redesigned case that started last year and I believe I had prototype in hand right before I got unconcious... It is modular and front panel was made of aluminum while structural part was made of heavy gauge sheetmetal to handle the transportation. Front being aluminum was basically an idea that occured to me as I could easily change design on my mill for some custom jobs. Maybe it would be better to leave it as steel to reduce cost since my mill can handle that too.
Controller has been changed out due to reliability issues in the middle of it.
Compressor dates a little further back and has been in use for some time but never to it's full potential till now.
Evaporator is the new Cryo which seems to really bring up the hidden potential of this compressor.
Other than my paintjob (kind of hard to justify single piece powder coat job) which is probably worst part of system (I KNOW IT IS)... I think it came out rather nicely :)
There are few more things that are in pipeline to materialize for better usability and performance obviously... one of them is mounting kits which has been reworked on many times and tested on my last customer. It will have few more modification as time progress on to make it even more suitable and easier to use.
Here are some pics :)
http://vapoli.com/images/Forum/IMG_9465.JPG
http://vapoli.com/images/Forum/IMG_9468.JPG
http://vapoli.com/images/Forum/IMG_9475.JPG
noticed something? Yes... the moisture condensating around evap and flowing into condenser with it sucking air... I haven't seen this too often in S. California on single stage really... typically only during cascade runs. Granted, humidity was kind of high at 55% but still I am really liking it :)
It was pleasant surprise to look at frost pattern appearing very fast in evap... :)
Tomorrow, while working on 2 other systems, I will repaint the front aluminum panel (okay... I did drop it from about 6ft and paint just cracked... -0-) and get it maybe waxed up :)
PS) Front panel should have dark grey plexi to for controller part to make it look clean but since I have to repaint it... it will have to wait.
hey jinu, very nice, how is the unit operated/controlled/wired?
Switch has moved to back for aesthetic :) Wired like my latest method so it can shut down the line to PSU, etc.
I am going to have to see what will happen with case.
You have pulled it all together very nicely Jin. Congrats on a great machine. You are an inspiration to all. :up:
Been reading through this log, lovely work. I really love the vapoli cases, very clean I wish i could afford one.
Nice workshop by the way, I think 90% of this board is envious.
... and I am one of the other 10% who are VERY envious.
Very nice workplace. And the know how is marvelous there. ;)
is no one using the golden frosters anymore