There is an SB460 coming very soon, but it is just a die-shrink of SB450 as I understand it, with no other changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ViperJohn
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There is an SB460 coming very soon, but it is just a die-shrink of SB450 as I understand it, with no other changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ViperJohn
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Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
I posted UTT did not work, TCCD needs to be 4 matched modules, you need drive strength at 15 and 200fsb.
Aparantly micron also works 4xDS so you may want to try that also. Now you can see the work we are putting into getting settings for you guys that work.
3 boards, Rgone has 2 and i have 1. I am actually trying to get a tweak guide up for OCZ with this board but it is taking a lot longer than expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
Can you elaborate on how these timings don't act like they do with NF4.....I'm intrigued (as I need a new board ASAP and it's between this and another SLI-DR--Expert's too far off in the future to wait for)
TRC
TRFC
TRRD
Read to write and write to read
Read pre amble
Async latency
drive strength
DQS or data drive (looks close but it does seem to act different)
Thanks.
Jason...before you get in too deep with the settings and playing around learning its peculiarities, what are your initial impressions?
Sweet--I await further results before I order (I'm doing it anyway, just wanna know what I'm getting myself into) :D
Thanks. :up:
Thats a good first impression. Wonder where i can get hold of one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
:woot:
The TCCD you have are from 2 companys. Even if its the same chips and PCB the rom chip will have a different flash on it from one company to another.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
So to sum up the current issue(s):
1)Memory compatibility
2)Uhhh pretty much it?
Conclusion: The cpu will clock like a bull as long as we use mem dividers to keep the mem close to 200mhz right?
If that's the conclusion....I'll take one! :D
I'd rather have my CPU at its max with my mem a little lower than what it's capable of (although I do that anyway).
Just gotta wait for the Egg to get them back in stock now :stick:
I could care less if the memory doesnt go over 225. There's more than enough bandwidth to spare. What I care about is that I can totally max out my cpu. I prefer to run tight latencies anyways.
The bios needs to be "friendly" to allow different spd's to work ok, this bios at the mo is not that friendlyQuote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
Does it look like it will be friendly any time soon?
And is there a chance of it working when TCCD and 5B -D are used together?
....not that your answer is changing my decision, LOL
I need to get a few points straight.
TCCD...we are struggling to get 300+
old EB micron runs just fine
BH5 runs just fine
4000EB runs just fine
etc etc
225fsb is not the limit of the board, i hit 270 first, then 300 later although the 300 is proving hard. I have run VX at 260+ and old BH5 at 260+
Its just this is a different animal, start a fresh and don't use what you know from the Nf4.
Good to know....thanks :up:
Does it not work well with TCCD or not work well above 300? Or is it too early to tell?
Gahh!!!!! Why can't Newegg be in stock!? GRRRRRRR!
Sorry, just venting. I want to order it really badly.
Good thing i hit the checkout button on my newegg cart before i went to sleep last night (to buy my DFI RDX200 CF-DR), i think i got the last one :p: i was hesitent on buying a pci-e card last night, so i removed that from the cart, but wound up ordering an saphire x1800xl-oem this morning. i can't wait for my stuff to get here to start playing (with my newly ordered DFI RDX200 CF-DR and x1800xl) :)
Edit: to clarify my post, since it wasn't just about videocards :p:
please share your thoughts on the X1800XL in the 3D section of the forum. Thanks.
:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
I have a question that is a little off topic but i bought this mobo and this is my first computer i've ever built and i am slightly confused on all the connections. Does anybody have a link to a good website on how to set up a mobo for newbs? Thanks, i appreciate it. :)
Ummm...wow....interesting board to decide to make your first build from, even Tony is having teething issues with getting used to it (from the looks of it).
Anyway, there should be a manual (well, more like a poster) included with all the nitty-gritty details about the connectors ;)
Haha, yeah i know. The stupid thing is like over a quarter inch thick! I was really hoping of an easy way out.... oh well... i guess i'll go crack open the Mobo Bible. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Ok, i know i'm a freaking moron but i have most of my system together now and i'm hooking up my X1800xl and my ram and i have a question about the ram. I bought some Mushkin Redline Dual Channel DDR400 and i don't know which two slots to put it in. I assume 1-3 or 2-4 but in the manual it says this:
"A DIMM SPD is original fixed at 1T. When modules are inserted in DIMM 1 and DIMM 3, the SPD must be 2T for better system stability. We reccomend inserting DIMMs into DIMM 2 and DIMM 4."
Ok so basically i'm asking what 1t and 2t is? And which slot configuration would give me the best performance. Thanks to all you who are geniuses. :toast:
Setting up board now
Man having issues already at 215
I have to admit so far the bios is not at all friendly if I change too many settings it wont boot, I am using tccd.
I have to run the tccd at 2.5/4/4/8
And this tccd does 300 at 2.5/4/3/5
Set Drive strength to 7,8, or 9...DATA drive to 100% I think.
OK, doing some 05 benching now using x600xt.
So far so good.
Just using some 2.256 sticks to get going.
Ok quick recap so far.
Using dimm 1 and 3 no go on 2and 4.
Using gskill 2*256mb 4800LA
OCZ 520w
e3 3000+
maxtor 20g
regular cd drive
x600xt
Installation of windows went down without a problem.
I cant seem to tighten the timings on the memory.
(Board would not boot with bh5 seems the mem defaults to 2.6v not enough for bh5.)
Have to use 2.5/4/4/8/11/16
Board runs very fast at stock and currently benching 05 getting some real good scores.
not a single crash so far I have reached 240fsb so far running 1:1.
i thougt it had to do with the memory controller?Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
if you run 2 sticks in dual channel the memory controller is using a 128bit bus and pretty much addresses the memory as if it was one stick, if you use 2 sticks without running dual channel the memory controller is using a 64bit bus for two sticks, if you run dual channel with 4 sticks then its using a 64bit bus for each pair of sticks.
the way tony explained it to me command rate is pretty much the tolerance the chipset has for a reply from the memory. the lower the less tolerance there is and the faster the memory has to reply, with 1t the chipset sends a request and waits (one clockcycle?) for a reply, with 2t it waits another clockcycle for a reply from the memory. and it sends a second request if it didnt get a reply after the first clockcycle is over, but im not sure if i got that one right.
not to bash the anand review but dont you guys think it would be wise to mention that the 4x1t feature that they talk about the whole review doesnt work with bh-5?
IIRC, they mentioned it....
Micron works though, which is nice.
tis is whit samsung tccd chips just for cpu max to morow il do some 300+ ;)
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=45000
thx for clearing that up :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
hmmm so is this 128bit 64bit channel thing wrong then?
do you know how the wait cycle is timed? is it always of the same length or does the cpu speed, memory speed or ht speed influence it?
about your cpu ocing worse, does it depend on the vcore?
i mean does it oc the same with 1.4v, slightly less with 1.5v and a lot less with 1.55v? do you have notes of how that cpu oced with les vcore so you could check that out?
il try my utt bh-5 to , yes i know the timings are crappy ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
Got some scores coming up in a couple hours.
Use only orange slots with 2 dimms, yellow when you run 4 dimms. you have to set LDT manually, auto does NOT work like the NF4.
TRC is very agressive, set TRFC to 24. Drive strength at 4 5 6 7 8 all work but you have to play with read preamble and max aync. Im running 6 and 9 Rgone is rinning 5 and 8 so try these.
Jason, put TCCD in your board and run the settings I posted, if the board will not do 270+ then you may have to swap it, i have a feeling its just settings though.
PM me your email addy and I will mail a bios i tweaked, i can not share the beta bios files i have but this should get you at 270+ easy with good TCCD.
I noticed I have to run bh5 in slots 2 and 4 they willnot run in 1 and 3.
The tccd likes 1 and 3 but not 2 and 4.
I have hit a wall at 250 for benching, I can get to 270 for regular stuff but not benching.
I have to say this board has really surprised me, their are obvious issues but it is a very strong in the benching category as it just allowed to take the trifecta using an x600xt.
I seem to have hit a wall at 250, dont know why but will work on tonite or tomorrow.
Here are some more screenshots :p:
The funny thing is this was all done on air no vmods nothing, the chipset has promise, a better bios and major improvements will be made :cool:
I have only been using 2 dimms just to see how the board reacts will start using 4 dimms tomorrow.
It games very nicely also.
Aside from teh sata 2 an acceptable board, but for a first board it will be difficult.
Going to try that tonite will see how things go.
I hope i can get mine up and running:(
jason i tried another psu but it didn't change the problem :)
i don't know whether this guy from Germany is a visitor here but his results are looking pretty damn good so far with a nice Opteron CPU and this mobo ;)
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Originally Posted by Pete_X(DFI-Street)
Tony......any updates on DFI CF-BT and DFI's Grouper :)
MickeyMouse i have some nice screens running 250mhz 2-2-2-5 512X2 .
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y90...pper/31sec.jpg
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=45181
now backt to run some more tests
cpu-z reads mij vcore wrong so here a screen withe vcore and stuf , i dont think my cpu temps are right but wen i feel the blok its cold ?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y90/blind_ripper/2.jpg
Heres after play with it for a while.....I;m happy that my Zippy 700W can power it up @ 3.6V Vdimm :)
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/6...shot0041pa.jpg
So, with the right bios setting it will fly with any AMD 64 core and utt/bh5 :)
Too bad we still have to wait for clockgen....Hurry up Frank :)
Somone can help with new bios? I really appreciated it, Thanks :)
Here is my latest result of LN2 cooling :)
SuperPI/mod1.4 1M: 22.531s@3720MHz
SuperPI/mod1.4 8M: 4m07.000s@3703MHz
FX-57 0516WPMW(IHS removed), Vcore=1.795V
Winbond BH-5 UTT(?) 512MB x2, Vdimm=3.689V
owe to a nice copper container, KurinuiteMasu-Pro4,
many thanks to TAM :toast:
With ACPI Multi Processor PC setting,
-115deg(C) is safe, -120deg(C) is risky(=means freeze), in my case.
my cpu fly's on this bort , tis is not tweakt standart os
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y90..._ripper/29.jpg :banana:
and some 3ghz on box cooler
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=45188
i love tis chip
looking good guys
anyone able to show some 340MHz+ HTT stable OCs
up to 3.6V :confused: i thought this mobo goes up to 4vQuote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
if the mobo goes up 2 4v, does this mean that you can up the 3.3v rail, and get volts over 4v?
You can if the memory needs to run @ 4V :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/466/mvc148f4lt.jpg
Hound no it actually runs off the 5v railQuote:
Originally Posted by Hound
Any luck with the new bios?Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
can someone do a direct compare with their nf4, i.e. your best with the nf4, and then your best with the rdx? i'd like to see what speed we need with this board and timings to catch a 640+ HTT nf4.
thanks guys
Guys
Both Robert(Rgone) and myself have come to the same conclusion with this motherboard.We based our decission on the following info.
I have been speaking to Oskar at length regards 300+fsb, he is trying his hardest to get the board clocking this high but we have decided it is just NOT WORTH IT
We have found the board to be a stella CPU overclocker, it clocks cpu's higher and usually with less vcore and less heat than the NF4.
So, forget about running DDR600, stick to BH5 or TCCD with 2.5-3-3- timings and push with a higher multiplier, we have a feeling you will get faster than you did with the older NF4.
Rgone has forwarded benches to me with a crappy venice he has NEVER been able to reproduce on other boards...280x10 or so with 2.5-3-3- but the beauty was the cpu was running less vcore, a higher multi and a higher final clock speed...all prime stable.
So, after beating on this board we gave up with 300+fsb as being honest this board does not need it, enjoy a higher CPU clock and just tweak the memory in just below it.
Tony
does the ati or nvidia board perform better clock for clock?
there seems to be some issues, two people had it. Might be powersupply related.http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=77607
With a divider...I think (not 100%) he is referring to clocking 1:1 at 300....I don't think he meant the board won't run 300+ HTT.
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Originally Posted by Tony
what if i need 315 mhz to get the maxout of my cpu and memory?
what if i pay 230 euro's for a motherboard thats clocking lower then my MSI K8N neo2 or a DFI NF4
saying the board makes the coldbug history, and I CANT get this board started with a 500W 24PINS native psu!
This is my first own experience with DFI and its the worst!
Maybe MSI doesn't deliver ALL the power dfi can deliver BUT they boot with every psu!
:brick: :brick: :brick:
It's really a pain. I just went to your thread at DFI streets and people are recommending that u use an 8pin. So thats like a $300 upgrade with a new PSU. Even if some of us send back out PCPC to get it modified, it still costs money and shipping those bricks arent cheap. THis might be the only consumer board with an 8pin. So whens BT coming out based on the 4pin Halibut reference board?
helow situman, i feel VERY angry about this situation. dfi saids to buy a psu thats in there recommondation list.
is there no possiblity TO even try to get all psu's working and RELEASE a mobo that has worked the biggest bugs out of it.
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10854
I didn't know about these facts.
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if the board has a 24-pin power connector, and we state (as we have) that you need a true 24-pin power supply and that a 20-to-24 pin adapter does not work and is not supported, then you need a true native 24-pin power supply.
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we tell you that you are required to have a 24-pin 480w power supply because that is what is necessary.
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i'm tired of some of you who think you know more than our engineers continuing to argue that we have no clue what we are talking about and you can skirt the minimum requirements.
i have a psu that has these specs. and i have only 1 thing To say. BETA
Run a divider to clock the cpu high and the memory a little lower, 300 2.5-4-3-8 can be slower than 280 2.5-3-3- so always run tests to make sure what is fast and what isn't, sandra bandwidth is NOT a sure way to prove you have a fast system, unbuffered sandra is closer but ulimately you need to run real life apps and benches to be sure. I ALWAYS use lobby Low and drago low in 3dmark 01 to test ram, latency and overall speed...its a real good indicator to what is fast and what is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jort
Also please remember just because you have issues does not mean Joe Sixpack next door will have the exact same issue.The board is a lot different yes, regarding psu's i know the powerstream runs the board ok and Rgone has used PCP&C as well as another dedicated 600W unit so good high end units seem to run it just fine.
Every board has issues, MSI has the 9nm issue with the ealrly boards, asus had real poor overclocking on the early boards and yes there may be an issue with psu's and this RDX200 but its too early to bash the board as poor and not worth someones time.
run the board 9x300 with the ram in 183 mode, CPU MHZ are more important than ram ultimately but keeping the ram latency low will keep speed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
Remember there is no added latency running a divider on A64, you don't have to run 1:1 to make sure its fastest.
......please answer my question
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Originally Posted by Tony
hey tony,
when you buy a car for ********, you would like to have it runs smooth don't you?
i can run my mem @ 314 2.5-3-3-7 so this is what i like to do.
i understand this board is just released but that it is so picky about a damn psu?
seems i can't change anything about that :(
The board to me is clearly a beta board after more testing.
The chipset is fast but should of been tested more or the uli chipset should of been used.
My board runs hot but I guess thats the nature of things.
I totally understand that but when a board is promised to do such and such we tend to expect it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
This board has really been a letdown in my opinion.
But then again i am just a customer
Having the reputation dfi has in the overclocking world, how can they release a board this way? We are talking about a board that is supposed to be the very best in the group of the best, to be used by the best overclockers out there, what are they thinking about? people doesn't pay that amount of money to get a mobo out of the box and find all these problems.
The 1575 came available last week....so you are saying DFI should have redesigned the board and gone with that chipset with the board coming in 2 to 3 months?Quote:
Originally Posted by althes
ATI have a new chipset coming in that time period so maybe DFI will opt to use this with the 1575....
One last thing you all need to remember Sb450 is not pin compatible with ULI1575. If you are thinking how can abit and msi etc all come with 1575 so soon its because they started with 1573 then just dropped the new chipset in place.
Heres a more fitting analogy, take a turbo charged car and turn up the boost with a weak fuel system and see what happens (car is to motherboard, as fuel system is to_____?) :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jort
sorry, i couldn't resist your car analogy. i'm sure your fustrated, and i hope my experiences aren't the same :)
The issue is you are comparing to the NF4, that was tuned balls out to run TCCD at super high clocks, this board was not.Quote:
Originally Posted by althes
Its taken me 7 full days to realise this board does have promise, it took me 6 weeks to get halibut running well and many bios files.
There is time yet for this one also, but in the world of the enthusiast you all want it to run awesome from the getgo, and im afraid that is real hard to do.
70 bios files on the NF4 ultra D over 10 months prove this, and yes i have access to every single one of them.
DFI will drop in SB600 early next year, because it's pin-compatible with sb450. That's what I read at anandtech, and makes sense to me.
SB460 is pin compatible with SB600, 460 has the same core as 450 just the 600 package.
Does this mean Dfi can't just put in sb600 where 450 was without any more modifications?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Customers are screwed because if they pay 230€ for a mobo, they pay for a finished product getting a beta one instead, having to experience many bios flashes, and headaches until they get their hardware running as it should. Mobos are starting to be like wine, getting better with ageing.
This board has a couple tricks up its sleeve.....don't be so quick to dismiss it and call it a beta.
always => :bows:
i was really convinced that this mobo was the best of the best atm.
tony i really hope you can get something more out of it.
this mobo is made for hardcore oc'ers so it is powerfull nop doubt.
but a little userfriendly wasn't too mutch to ask i hope :)
edit: please don't talk but show us, i need to be convinced this mobo "can" please our needs ;)
Well true but the issue is new chipsets will be here by then, its moving at a furious pace I hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
At the end of the day we all get caught in the chipset war/game betwen ATI and NV and then sit here debating what is best etc.
The pace is quickening up, so we will be busy talking on forums for many weeks to come.
when did you buy your DFI NF4? how many bios files have you flashed to it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Always
Nothing has changed, you all want more so the engineers try to give it you.
Maybe we all need to run stock and forget about overclcoking???
Ok , so when will the new bios be available so a few of us can test it.
I totally agree with what you are saying but when I see a new motherboard from DFI I come to the party saying must be a great board from a great company every company has a letdown once in a while.
But this one has just been really disheartening.
The board has promise I will say, its something new and nothing new will rock straight away.
If your needs are TCCD, tough luck, it won't--that's not one of its tricks. It's an amazing board with memory below 300MHz, certainly the best CPU clocking and its still got a trick or two up its sleeve--check OPB's thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jort
More BIOSs will be out in due time, just hold on and run it at what you can for now if you're having problems (this is a completely new beast after all, commonly known things on the NF4 simply won't go on this, as Tony has stated MANY times). If you really don't like it, sell it or donate it or something.
Why are you getting at me this way? I'm just posting my feelings about a just released product on the thread meant for it, and you are asking me when I bought my NF-4 mobo? I'm not the only one who feels dissappointed about initial performance of this product. Wouldn't you be screwed If you paid as much as the RDX costs and your initial experiences were totally disappointing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Im not getting at you, i was asking genuine questions to get a genuine point accross to you.
I actually feel Oskar made the NF4 6 months to early, he brought an awesome overclocker to the market and everything else will be judged against this. Now i asked you questions to get you thinking about the beta status the DFI NF4 has been all this time.
If you want to clock the same as the Nf4 stick with the Nf4, it was built for TCCD and it clocks this type of ram better than any board on the present market. Now if you want crossfire, you have high multis on your cpu and you want a solid CPU overclcoker then this may suit you.
Enthusiast boards will always be beta, as we always want more from them.
Jason, have a look at DFI street and look at the forum for the NF4 and see how perfect the board is....enthusiast boards have issue, they all do, and maybe the biggest issue is our expectations are way to high.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
All I gotta say is, all boards have their issues, nothing still beats what dfi puts out, this will still hold true once the new boards are figured out I bet. They truely do cater to us. I can think of many many companies that half ass it claiming to be "an overclockers board". I think alot of ppl have been easily spoiled by the power of dfi's nforce4. Remember when you had to do volt mods? DFI gives you volt options up the ass, everyone and their mom could potentially get a world record now. You all know as well as I do that when a board comes out, it will not be perfect overclocking. it HAS to be perfect stock, that's all.
Tony any tricks to get past 270.
That is far as I can get but I have to use divider for memory.
Use the settings I posted a few pages back, they were for TCCD and i was 100% stable at 290 1:1 with them
I jumped back testing ATI reference to give my head a rest from the RDX, while testing i had a few mins to reflect about A64 overclocking with TCCD etc.
I have a feeling the envelope we are pushing has been pushed all it can go, in that there is little to be gained top end wise with the ram as it stands now. So....Oskar has looked at a new way of tweaking a board and that happens to be with 2 gig kits and with 4 dimms. On reflection, Ryan told me OCZ are selling more 2gig kits than anything else at this present time which holds true to what i reported to him 3 months ago, which was that the market will move to lower latency 2gig kits to help with the new breed of games that are being released.
So, we may have to realise that the market is still actually driven more by gamers than balls out enthusiasts at this time when it comes to how the boards are set up to handle memory. I know boards are a lot better at overclocking memory but this RDX was tuned for high density not high fsb so maybe thats the way we all need to be heading.
Over the next few weeks a new rash of boards are going to be available, what we need to do is see how these boards are tuned and see if they are sacrificing ultra high fsb for higher density overclocking...then we will know for sure.
Side note, Just had another mail off Rgone who loves the board at 280x10, calling it uber slick and much better than his modded NF4.So at least for him it looks my present ramblings are holding true.
I really hope that this is not the way it's gonna go, Tony.
Not that current DFI NF4 board cannot handle 2x1GB or 4x1GB configuration. It does it just fine, despite latter configuration being a total overkill for today's standards and requirements, anyway. But If with announcement of DFI RDX200 they decided to "tweak" it for 2x1GB and not for TCCD, leaving TCCD performance way behind compared to DFI NF4 then something must have went wrong in there during brainstorming. It's just plain wrong.
So far, it looks like DFI NF4 is still the winner for hardcore enthusiasts and gamers. It can handle and OCs all major types of memory. DFI RDX200 seems to lack this versatility so far.
There happens to be more RAM than TCCD for the 2x512 segment that performs VERY well on the RDX. Although having ALL of the flexibility that the NF4 has would be optimal, if I had to choose one type of RAM to ditch it would be the high-speed stuff.
Low latency and high density are my current favorites right now :D
and this board can certainly deliver it seems
Honestly, If I was a hardcore gamer that needs 2x1GB and likes to OC his RAM then I would only buy RDX200 if it proofed that it can do it better than DFI NF4. Unless, one is an ATI fanboy and really needs Crossfire instead of SLi.
So, If DFI RDX200 was tweaked for 2x1GB then I would understand it must be better at handling it and OCing, right? So, my question is - is it or not then?
The funny part for me is I need a board that handles high RAM density well so i can replace more expensive workstation boards with simple x2 chips for testing DB's. So a board that will handle 4 gigs well with no hassle and upmost performance is more important to me than vid by far... I need memory density to be high with reasonable bandwidth or I can't even think of replacing much faster NUMA compliant hardware with it.
This board may do it, the NF4 does not...
Irony in this ----because I may be benefitting from the gaming direction of things :D
:lol2: :lol2: :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
Poor Tony having to field all these harsh questions. Big thank you Tony. My question is how come the maker(s) of the board doesn't come on these boards and field our questions? I know this isn't DFI Street, but come on, there are questions better answered by DFI reps since they work for the company and all. Even though I am pretty sure Tony gave his inputs, he still WORKS FOR OCZ.
I remembered BEFORE DFI made a name (pre-NF4 days), there was a lot of DFI activity going on during the NF4 LP prelaunchings. It would be great if there's the same kind of support this time around and also in the future. If there isn't enough reps, HIRE more people. That's what GROWING companies do, hire more people to better service the customers.
Without being an a$$ I don't think "Growing" companies can really grow based on the relatively small enthusiast market......... It’s a great place for testing and feedback but it doesn’t pay the rent, imho………
Well if they want testing and feedback, shouldnt they BE THE ONES to collect the results? Its like Toyota asking Michelin or Bridgestone or whoever they OEM supplier is to collect surverys on their cars.
DFI has been around forever though, its not like some upstart, they have been trying to expand thier market, and theyve been doing a damn good job imo.
you guys keep moaning about TCCD on this board, but from what it sounds like, even though it doesnt do 300+ well it does 280 with much better timings, as tony said in the end its still faster, clocks arent everything as we know in the BH-5 Vs. TCCD battle, stop moaning about this boards lack of tccd support, from what it sounds like its still faster then nf4lp even with TCCD.
My bet is that with everything the same except the mobos, once tweaked out properly, the RDX would win in most situations.
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Originally Posted by situman
i dont think DFI asked us for our opinions from anyone except bigtoe actually, and they were kind enough to let bigtoe share what is going on with us. What other mobo manufacturer lets us have even this much? stop complaining about what DFI isnt doing and start looking at how much more they do for us then anyone else.
If you really want DFI comments, go to the DFI street website, dfi is not asking bigtoe to tell us what we think, ad they arent making him collect information for us. DFI already has thier own methods of gaining thier information via their own essage boards and channels and such, bigtoe is merely doing us a favor and sharing what he knows with us, working to get us better product.
i feel very strongly about this, i have heard enough about what DFI hasn't done, they are leaps and bounds above other mobo vendors imo.