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Newegg has the 960BF for $379+$10 shipping=$389, thinking about getting it to go with my white Antec P150 case, anyone know much about its pro's and con's? I've seen mixed reports on ghosting from cnet/Amazon.com user reviews, no professional reviews out yet. Thanks for any input.
Why is Samsung the only company cashing in on the white gloss "ipod style" craze, I guess is makes sense, since they are one of the few makers to put any style into their monitors to begin with.
Since you're mentioning Newegg as a store where you could buy a LCD, Im guessing you live eather in the US or in Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by swiharta
If you can buy from NewEgg, dont buy the Samsung 960BF.
Right now you can get the L90D+ for $300, which is a nice TN panel that doesnt have ghosting and it's cheaper. The LCD has a silver frame and a black base. IMO, it's good enough to match your iPod theme.
I wish I could get the Hyundai Q90u in the states, that looks to be better than the L90D+, from the review on behardware.com. There's even a glowing review in PCworld for that monitor, but I haven't seen any signs that it is coming to the states.
As for the L90D+, I think I'd like to avoid a 6-bit panel with poor viewing angles. Do you know what panel is in the 960BF? Other LCD's with the same panel?
Style is important for this situation, as is price, but gaming isn't really a priority. Hence the 960BF looks like a good compromise, but again there are limited opinions out there right now. I think the style alone is worth another $75-100 but thats just me.
PRAD says that the 960BF is a TN panelQuote:
Originally Posted by swiharta
My guess is that the 960BF is a 940BF update, the same way the VX924 is an update of the VX924, and the VP930B is an update of the VP191b.
http://www.prad.de/en/guide/screen2467.html
There are verry little choices with a white or silver bezel.
The Q90u, L90D+, 930BF, and 960BF are all TN panels anyway. Anything TN will have 16.2 Million colors (6-bit).
The only 8-bit panels with a white or silver bezel cover that's close to your price range and doesnt have as much ghosting is the Samsung 770P and 970P. Both are P-PVA panels with a 6ms response time. The 17" has a higher contrast ratio than the 19" version.
If you cant get those, then my last option would be the Apple Cinema 20" LCD, which can be as low as $600 if you buy it through "Education" on the apple site.
You can get the 970p for $580 with Free 2 Day shipping on ZipZoomFly.com, and I dont know where you can get the 770p in the US
What was the 940bf like compared to the 930bf? I still think the 960bf could be a decent monitor, it has a larger viewing angle than the L90D+, and Samsung monitors usually have decent color calibration.
I think the 960BF is exactly like the 930BF, but white. Use the 930BF reviews for reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by swiharta
You could get the 960BF, or the L90D+ (since it also has some white/silver on the bezel)
The L90D+ is like $80 cheaper, but the 960BF looks like it has a better bezel and it's faster and has other stuff like wider viewing angles
L90D+
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...179-014-11.JPGhttp://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...179-014-07.JPG
960BF
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...001-209-01.JPGhttp://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...001-209-08.JPG
My 2005 FPW arrived yesterday.
Hasn't got any dead pixel. No light leaking that I could see. ;)
It's a great monitor.
I'll post my review as soon as my video card arrives as with my Diamond Stealth 4Mb I can't play any new games or watch movies. :(
good to know you have it...
hope you enjoy it....
I got my 2005FPW on Friday. This thing is awesome. Gaming is awesome on this thing, even games that don't support the native res (BF2) still look great.
There seems to be a mod that opens 1680x1080 resolution for some games.Quote:
I got my 2005FPW on Friday. This thing is awesome. Gaming is awesome on this thing, even games that don't support the native res (BF2) still look great.
It has something to do with the windows registry.
Did you got any software for color calibration on your monitor?Quote:
Originally Posted by Istasi
a) What do you guys think of the Samsung 244T? b) Is it better for gaming than the Dell (heard the 2405FPW was really poor for gaming). c) Or is it better to wait for the upcoming new S-IPS panels (don't really know anything about them), d) any idea when they're coming?
Thanks.
2405fpw poor for gaming???????
you should do some search and see all the good reviews of ppl playing with 2405fpw i play with one and i just love it sad is a lot of games doesnt suppor native resolution
Sorry bro, didn't mean to offend anyone lev! I expressed myself a bit harsh, I admit...
I was mostly thinking of the famous behardware review. ;) Also, there's some delay in the Dell (compared to other LCDs) and lots of reviews seem to complain about ghosting. Also you said in your very guide PVA isn't really the perfect technique for gaming (16 ms makes no difference compared to 25 ms etc, so I do have something to walk on).
Anyway, sorry for expressing it like "poor" (I know you have one, and I had no intention of offending you in any way mate!), what I meant was simply: Is the Samsung 244T "slightly" better? (Since you and the rest of LCD Buyers Guide's authors seem to be the ones in the know!) And any idea how soon the new S-IPS LCDs will come (and if they will be noticably better than the 244T)?
I'm also a bit interested in the Acer with 6ms (how it compares to the 244T and the Dell). Please just disregard my blasphemous statement earlier, the Dell isn't bad by any means (I was simply wondering whether it is the very best) and concentrate on my actual questions.
Thanks!
the dell is good enough the guide says is not the best, but as i do lot of ppl cant see ghosting in native resolution
the good thing about the samsung 244t is the hdpc support so you can watch hd videos without problems
you didnt offend me just wanted to point you to some reviews or actual owners and users of the lcd so you will see others opinions
Ok apart from the HDCP feature, would the 244T be a better LCD for gaming than the 2405FPW?
Seems I misunderstood, apologies again :p:
The best 21" and 24" LCDs are, without doubt, the Eizo S2110W (21" LCD) and Eizo S2410W-K (24" LCD)
The problem is that they are VERRY expensive and they dont support HDCP.
The 21" Eizo is about $1000 (USD) and the 24" is about $1800 (USD)
Ill have to add these two LCD to the guide eventually for anyone who is willing to spend that much money for the highest quality LCD in it's category in everything.
Behind the 21" Eizo is the Belinea 102035w (20" LCD), and I would have to say that the Dell 2405fpw is behind the Eizo 24" because of the overal quality.
If you can wait a bit, according to gr8golf on XS, there's a rumor that the 2407fpw will be released early March.
If it's true, then they may end up showing it off at CeBIT.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=89925
What I know so far is that the 2007fpw and 2407fpw will be a 2005fpw and 2405fpw refresh with technology improvements (probably faster and better IQ) and will be HDCP readyQuote:
Originally Posted by gr8golf
Turok, I'm a member of WSGF so I've read the thread in question. Basically, it seems the new 2407FPW won't be worse, but not much better either. The main thing in focus is the addition of HDCP to the future set.
2407 thread
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com...pic.php?t=3240
Article
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=793
Pictures (posted by maherie, not from article... unknown "insider" source)
http://wsgf.widescreenbabes.com/screenshots/1.JPG
http://wsgf.widescreenbabes.com/screenshots/2.JPG
Then this seems more interesting to me: Advanced S-IPS New Panels thread
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com...pic.php?t=3046
So, basically, your advice is to wait a bit longer? That's fine with me, but I'm getting a little fed up with waiting. Been waiting for long time... loooong time. lol :D
Turok, basically, you say get this one over any other, including this one. If these are the ones, price is no problem at all. Only 3000 SEK difference, just 30% extra (or roughly 377,33 USD according to FOREX).
Is that Eizo the right one (the very pinnacle of widescreen LCD 24" beauty gaming performance)? Or, is it the wrong model?
Thanks a lot!
Edit: Do you think the linked Eizo will beat the 2407 (ignoring HDCP feature) in games.
That Eizo is the one I mentioned above.Quote:
Originally Posted by krille
The best 24" LCD to date. Check out this review from PRAD:
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/revie...-s2410w-k.html
If you're going to spend that much money for that LCD, I would recommend eather the Eizo 24" LCD, or he 3007fpw for a bit more.
If you get eather one, please post a mini-review for the guide :D
Turok > I just banged out some cash for FX-60 + new mobo and some other neat stuff. I'm also planning a custom WC system. So my economy is a little strained atm (as I'm sure you understand!!), so I'm not sure when I'll get the LCD _now_, but if nothing better has come out till then, the Eizo may very well be the one LCD for me.
However I read over at WSGF somewhere Eizo wasn't optimal for gaming...
I had seen something more, but I can't remember where. Anyway, I made a thread about it overthere too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradigm Shifter
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com...?p=26192#26192
Basically I wonder the same things both here and there. One of those is: In the case I go Eizo, should I go white or black version? (Now I'm not talking about looks, because black is definitely more appealing, rather what would be better ergonomically?)
Thanks!!
I came across a Viewsonic monitor that looks good to me, but can't realy tell if it is good or not. It's specification and price is in the range that I consider affordable. It's the Viesonic VA2012W.
Here's the info -- http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/UK/Pr...E2/VA2012w.htm .
As I was saying I'm not shure how good or bad it is in the real life...and I would not like to buy it *blindly.* There are few reviews, moust are not excatly what you could call great so I was wandering if someone from xtremesystems is owing one and maybe could share some information about it?
Main use for that monitor for me would be video watching, gaming and text reading.
Thank's.
Strike, my friend kohan got that monitor and he said it ghosted pretty bad and didnt have the greatest image quality... but if your looking for large monitor for a cheap price i suppose it will do.. just dont expect wonders from it.
I click on the link to MaxxxRacer's mini review, and I think it's the post saying "this monitor is fck'n awsome". Then I scrolled down....
Anyway I too have the VP930b and love it too. And the only problem that it has is the X-light backlight leakage. Now apparently Viewsonic KNOWS about this yet they don't fix it??? :confused:
Not that it's really a problem though as it's only visable on a black screen.
Anyone can tell me a email of reseller of DELL for LatinAmerica¿? im in Argentina i need some mail or phone of reseller to order my lcd 2005fpw Thanks All!
call them...
I haven't been following every post on this thread so please excuse me if I'm slightly off on the current string...
I just wanted to thank everyone whom started, did the work, and contributed to this thread. It helped me make a solid decision and learn much more. Three things I learned
about purchasing...
1. Although it can be slightly more expensive and even limit your choices to a certain extent, I must advise purchasing your (my) final model from a local store like Best Buy, Circuit City, even Wallmart etc.. Only in this way can you SEE the actual picture and MOST IMPORTANTLY if there's ANY problems simply drive back and exchange, return, or get another model.
2. It was better to go with a slightly smaller screen then try to get the biggest and best from the start. Screen size seems to determine stability as the technology weeds out the Hinky designs and models. I got a 19" even though i wanted a 21"+.
3. Research, research, and more research. Study the technology, read as many reviews as you can, but most importantly try to read as many user comments as you can tolerate. Sifting through User comments finding repeated strengths and weaknesses shows patterns that can be useful beyond the "I love this monitor" even if people are wacky you can begin to find certain attributes about models they may not even be aware their seeing.
To repeat number One, these monitoirs "DISPLAY" better so when you buy from a store like Newegg and they tell you there's minimum dead pixel return policy, just remember those pixels can be clustered together and I know that would drive me insane.
I love my plain old Samsung 930b it does everything I want it too and once I got a decent digital cable even a 6800GT looked as good as a X1900XTX with an analog cable! Now my 7800GTX actually looks like it should and I've begun to find details in a benchmarks I've run 50,000x like 3DMark2001! For example in Dragothic when the Drgaon is just beginning to fly into the village down in the harbor there are ships I'd overlooked until now. FEAR looks great as well and my old CRT was no slouch it was a IBM P260 Sony 21" FD Trinitron which still cost $300 Refurbished! So like I said get yourself out of your house and into some stores to SEE what certain models look like. I made a top ten list then called around found at least four at one store went there and got to broke them all!!!
Anyway thank you all.
great job to all those who did work on this :clap: :toast: I was pretty certain on what LCD I wanted to get... but this just helped quite a bit. Thanks!! :woot:
Thanks to our readers too for supporting this thread :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Liquid3D
Without your interrest in LCD technology, this thread would of probably ended up in the dusty pile of old threads afther the fist page of the "General Hardware" section :D
Liquid3D
If you dont mind, your tips could actually be useful for some people new to LCD shopping.
Do you mind if I put those 3 tips on the guide?
Im thinking about a new section titled "Shopping Tips" on top of the "Links" section. Ill put those 3 tips, and any others that may be useful like:
- Calibrate your monitors to achieve the best performance
- Always use digital signals on LCD monitors for the optimal performance. DVI and HDMI are both digital cables. Component, composite, VGA, and S-Video are analog cables.
- and other tips...
Hopefully Ill be able to post the "Shopping Tips" section, as well as the AGP to Component mod, new LCD like the 3007fpw, and update news like the delay of SED until Q4 07 (Yeah, I know... :( ), OLED LCDs wont be releasing because of the short life and dificulty of making larger displays, and other news...
Just thought I'd pop in with a few suggestions for the first page. There's one or two thing that I think would be worth putting in/changing so I thought I'd mention them.
1. LCD image burn in (or "Image Persistance" to use the LCD manufacturer term) does occur... (visit thread http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=93571 for a recent example) but seems to be removable. There is a link on the thread posted that should give the correct response for when it happens... just a good bit of info for people who buy something, so they know how to maintain it.
2. The page claims that LCD backlight bulbs are replaceable. While *technically* true, I would like to see it noted that it's not really USER-replacable. The parts aren't exactly sold at every Radio Shack and the chances are very good that a user will do far more damage trying to replace it. It may just be a lot of soldering work (iirc), but once you take into account the number of people that have soldering guns, that will take the step to find those parts, that will pay for those parts instead of just buying a new monitor... etc. It just becomes blatently obvious that there is almost no situation where you can fairly say "replaceable" in reference to a dimmed bulb. It's just not worth the time or effort.
Serra
hi everyone, first of all i wanna say: great thread, thanks!
i'm about to buy a samsung lcd monitor and i was wondering if anyone had any good or bad things to say about the following two.
samsung sm920t
Size 19''
Resolution 1280 by 1024
Maximum Brightness (candelas per square meter) 250
Contrast Ratio 1000:1
Horizontal/Vertical View Angle (degrees) 170
Pixel Response Time (milliseconds) 25
Interfaces Analog and digital
and
samsung sm193tm
Size 19''
Resolution 1280 by 1024
Maximum Brightness (candelas per square meter) 250
Contrast Ratio 1000:1
Horizontal/Vertical View Angle (degrees) 170
Pixel Response Time (milliseconds) 8
D-Sub, DVI
now as you can see, the specs are pretty much the same, except for response time. both have a pva panel as well and cost pretty much the same here in slovenia... i can't afford to spend more money than that. i'll be using the monitor mostly for text work, internet and photo editing, no gaming at all, so the response time really isn't that important to me. colours are very important though. i'm leaning towards the first one because i've found some good reviews of it and i can't find any for 193tm, except for some user reviews on amazon.de(but my german isn't that good).
what do you think?
tell me please if you find out if the the second one use a 8bit panel that means 16.7 million colors if it uses a 8bit panel i guess you can buy that one if it uses a 6bit panel buy the first one
also you can try and call dell costumer service if they have a number for slovenia you can buy lcd from them and if you are lucky and your salesman is nice it will drop the price a little i bought a 2007fpw yesterday and they sold it to me for 500$ with shipping to venezuela
according to flatpanels.dk they both have a pva panel, which means 16.7, no? do you know anything more about the two models, except for what the specs say?
thanks for the suggestion! i think i'll stick with buying it here in slovenia because i'm in a bit of a hurry and shipping to europe would definitely take a while, plus i could have problems with customs.
oh well buy the one with lowest response time...
also if you can see them in person is even better the worst problem you can face is backlight bleeding if none of them have that buy them :) and then come here and make a mini review for us :D
hehe, i'll do that :D but first you need to explain what backlight bleeding is please?
you can check posts 241 and 247 in page 10 of this thread
there you will see the backlight bleeding
is pretty annoying at least if you watch dvds or work with a lot of blacks :P
ok finally i have both the 2007 and the 2405fpw im pretty tired right now so im gonna post just 1 compare pic
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3...2medium2qd.jpg
hi everyone, so i ended up buying the older model because its price went down a lot. at first i was very excited, the monitor looks great, i like its design, the slower response time doesn't bother me at all... but then i started noticing some problems. i'm a bit bummed because i've only found positive reviews of this monitor online... the problems are
- when i log on or log off windows xp, the lower left corner is purplish instead of blue
- brightness, too much brightness compared to my old crt. maybe i'm just not used to it, but all my photos looks way too bright on here. if i set the brightness down to 40 or 30, the contrast of the pics doesn't improve a lot. also, doing this test: http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/color_gradients_3.html, i noticed some uneven transitions (the same goes for a black and white photo of mine, where a black shade moves towards grayer)
now, i do have to point out that i haven't calibrated the monitor with magic tune yet. is that why all the colour problems? this might sound silly, but i don't really know how to operate the calibration thing, is there anyone on here who has a samsung lcd and knows how to calibrate it? i found the adobe gamma program on my crt more straightforward. the instructions on the samsung website aren't very clear to me, but then again, i'm not a native speaker of english.
here's a screen shot of the calibration program:
http://www2.shrani.si/files/magictun412225.jpg
and here are the instructions from samsung's website:
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Moni...une_02_03s.htm
you can see an animation of how the calibration is supposed to be done... but i'm afraid it doesn't make things much clearer for me. i don't understand whether you're moving the bar at the bottom (under Step 1 etc.) to make the whole thing brighter or darker, or are you moving the square thing in the middle, the way it's done in the animation. if so, what is it exactly that you're trying to do? make the littles square of the same colour as the biggest background or?
sorry for such beginner questions... your help would be very appreciated, in a few days i have to decide whether i'm returning the monitor or not. thank you!
Just got a Dell 2007WFP in today - will game with it over the weekend and report back. Still waiting for the mythical 2407
Hi what about this problem in some 2007 "gradient banding "
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1145653453
Some 2007 User can tell us about this problem ¿? Thanks!!
Anyone try out Viewsonic's VP2030b?
On paper it looks like one of the best 20" panels out there (4:3). It's specs are basically like the VP930b (clearly best 19" panel out there) and so it makes me wonder....
Sorry, but I have to just ask, because my eyes are freakin weary from being on the comp on day. I've been checking out this monitor---->
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009061
Of course, everyone seems happy on newegg in the user reviews, but I know better. I really want a monitor that has res of 1900x1200, to fully take advantage of this big a$$ GPU sitting in my case. So, is this ACER good? Anyone know of any other worthy candidates? Thanks.
Argh! Ok, so I'm still with this really old CRT, kinda forgot about getting an LCD... But I've had a few people come over to my house, they gawk at the rig, they gawk at the speakers, and then they laugh at the monitor. So.... I'm almost sure that a new monitor will come this summer. Anyway, I was going to get a Dell 2005FPW, but then I heard about 2007WFP. Now I have another candidate. What's better? The Dell 2007WFP or the Viewsonic VX2025WM, both 20.1" wide screen with 1680x1050 res and 800:1 aspect ratio. Dell has slower response times at 16ms while the Viewsonic is 8ms, would that make a difference? They look identical from specs other than the response times, and I can get the Viewsonic about $100CAN cheaper, so which is better? Thanks.
Usama aka Ferrari Freak
the dell 2007fpw has hdcp so u can watch HD protected content
So then the 2007WFP is better, but then again, wouldn't the 16ms response allow room for ghosting, especially since I'm going to be playing UT2004/2007? Thanks.
Usama aka Ferrari Freak
Quote:
Originally Posted by leviathan18
So does the NEC 20WMGX2
Quote:
Originally Posted by ferrari_freak
i have it no ghost with fast paced games like DOD UT04 or oblivion far cry fear bf2 and nfsmw...
I was looking at the budget LCD's, but obviously you can't get an LCD dirty cheap and want it to be good for games & movies. I also work with web pages...but I guess you can't count it as a need for good colors, though if it comes in the package...
I've red through this thread, but as it is with purchasing things like this, I still dont realy know what's best for me(movies & games). I do however know that it has to be a widescreen monitor, I'm done with 4:3 and I do not even want to encounter 5:4... So 16:10 or 16:9 is the way to go(1920x1200 != 16:9, 1920x1080 == 16:9). Since true 16:9 LCD's are a rarity, it laves me with ether a 1920x1200 or 1680x1050 LCD's. The budget is anywhere from 500 - 1000$. Next problem I'm facing -- Dell 2007FWP or FPW or PFW or whatever those characters were...is not available in my country and purchasing it offshore...well let's just say that warranty doesn't come included if I do purchase it offshore. And that still leave's me with a rather large 'array' of choises. If that particular Dell model would be available it would probably be what I would purchase. I want to buy the LCD with a resolution of 1680 x 1050 or 1920x1200 for movie watching and game playing. Could somebody help me out and suggest a couple of possible choises? I could then atleast check what's available where I'm at.
One possible choice is Benq FP202W, but I'm not sure if it will do.
Thank's :)!
(this thread has been ...quet for a while)
I think your looking for the Dell 2405.Quote:
Originally Posted by StrikeRTM
Forget about the 2007's because of the "banding" issue.
What do you mean by the banding issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by wizboy11
Usama aka Ferrari Freak
http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...VIEWTMP=LinearQuote:
Originally Posted by ferrari_freak
Thats just one place. It seems that nearly all Dell 2007's are plagued with the "banding" issue and others with "washed out colors". My suggestion would be to get either a 2005fpw or a 2405fpw if you wanted a widescreen Dell monitor. Those don't have any issues AFAIK.
Dell 2405 is available for purchasing. Except the price is 750LVL. 1$ ~ 0.55LVL. 750 * 100 / 55 ~ 1363$ I'm afraid it wont fit in my 500-1000$ budget. There are three shops that sell Dell LCD's localy, maybe the other two have it for a better price. Any other suggestions as to what I should look for if Dell 2405 doesn't come through(for movies & games)?Quote:
Originally Posted by wizboy11
Dell 2405 at Dell.com is $999, then use coupons to drop the price down even more.
Are you in the US?
and how's Acer F-20 Black-Red 20" 8ms Widescreen ???
link http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009071
wizboy11, that's just the problem -- I'm not in the US, I'm in Europe. Some stuff I cannot get :stick: .
Has anyone had any experience gaming on the Dell or Apple (new version) 30" monitors?
:nono: :stick: :poke:Quote:
Apple 20-inch Cinema
Price: 700-800 USD
Specs:
- 20-inch Widescreen LCD Display
- LG Phillips S-IPS Panel
- 16 ms Response Time
- 8-bit colour (16.7 Million Colours)
- Contrast Ratio: 400:1
- Native Resolution: 1680x1050
- Pixel Pitch: 0.258 mm
Pros:
- High native resolution
- Excellent colour reproduction and visual quality
- Excellent viewing angles
- Beautiful aluminum finish
- High quality assembly
Cons:
- Motion blurring AND ghosting noticeable in gaming and everyday use
- Very Expensive
Summary:
This monitor looks absolutely amazing. The motion blurring and screen ghosting, however, make it a poor choice for gaming considering the faster panels out there. It has the exact same panel and response time as the Viewsonic V201s, and yet illustrates a poorer response in practical application. Just goes to show that even the same panel can perform differently depending on the monitor.
It seems that the creator of this thread seems to be a little misinformed about the nature of the 20" ACD. I have taken the liberty to try and correct a few flaws in your description of the 20" Apple Cinema Display.
I've had this monitor for about 6 months now and it has beaten every other LCD I have seen (new ones from Viewsonic and Dell etc.) in response time, colour production and of course in stylishness.
This monitor (or at least mine) DOES NOT ghost at all. My friend has a Viewsonic 912 (8ms), which ghosts a bit (noticeable in CS:S) and has (according to him) quite horrible colour reproduction. Anyway, we compared many fast paced games like NFSMW, NFSU2, all kinds of Source-engine based games etc and this monitor simply doesn't ghost at all.
However, this monitor was quite expensive (755 eur with student discount) and it cannot scale any pictures so it will run at 1680x1050 or it just show a black screen. I currently have a love-hate relationship with it. When it works, there is nothing that can beat it. The play experience on this thing is jaw dropping. World of Warcraft (please forgive me for my sins...) among other things is heaven on this piece of hardware. When it doesn't work (registry hacking a game to work on 1680x1050) it is a major pain in the ass. Luckily all most all games support 1680x1050 natively nowadays (or at least the ones I play).
For those who have deep pockets and follow a strict style pattern with their computer hardware, nothing can beat the 20" Apple Cinema Display so I absolutely recommend it. :)
The 23" and 30" displays are in a class of their own. I have never tested any games on them and I have heard some bad reports about them regarding their gaming potential so I have no reason to suspect that the characteristics of the 20" apply to the other displays.
PS. I am not an apple-fan nor do I own any apple computers and probably never will.
how you can say the acd is better than dell 20" if in fact they are the same lcd... just a exterior change and a massive price in the apple one? you can find the dell 2407 for 890$ less than what you paid for your 20" i cant see any ghost in my 2405fpw but some ppl with better eyesight perhaps see some ghosting all dell and apple are actually same panel apple is just charging premium because they are used to it....
I too would like to know about this. The resolution is just great but the response time is lacking. With this thing it would be like looking out of a window when you play games. Also I guess the max refresh rate will be 60 hertz which will suck. What is a good lcd display modding site?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jatku
Yes, they are the same LCD, but the dell using some kind of Digital --> Analog --> Digital adapter inside the LCD to enable picture scaling (which the ACD cant do :(), but this degrades picture quality. Check my reply in another thread please.
I was earlier thinking about selling my 20" ACD to get he 2407 in order to get a bigger viewable area, but according several reviews around the internet the 2407 has major picture quality problems. If the problems are solved in the next revision, I will seriously consider selling my ACD, however. :stick:
In order of preference Samsung 244T (8 bit color and no banding vs the 2407 which has 6 bit color...), 2405, or waiting for the 2707 or Samsung equivalent, but that won't fit the budget.
Image Max H-View Angle Image Max V-View Angle
±89° (typical) ±89° (typical)
Color Support Connectivity Technology
16.7 Million Cable
8bit panel i preffer the dell having the scale technology at 1920x1200 first not many games support it and then you need some major gpu power
i wont pay more for a white stylish lcd....
the dell 3007fpw is a beat fragtek here bought one and he was very happy he sold his 2405 to move and he said it was great.
2707 coming may use this panel:
http://www.samsung.com/Products/TFTL...1/LTM270M1.htm
Sep-Oct' ish
probably is that one 3000:1 nice contrast ratio
Noticed the guide hasn't been updated for almost six months (latest edit was 12-28-2005), has nothing happend since then? Does anyone know when next gen of ~24" 1920x1200 displays are coming, that will hopefully be even better at gaming (I know you are very happy with your lev... but still). Good luck lev on the turtle soup btw...
yes turok is free now and he is preparing and update right now we have full new line up of dell 2007 2407 3007 and next 2707 we are just waiting reviews and ppl that buys them to read customer reviews about the lcd
just wait a little and you will see some updates :p:
btw the soup was great xD
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200..._monito/1.html
dell 2407fpw review
I'm beginning to think I'd like to see the 30" Dell panel with the Samsung panel. /sigh Even if they start using the panel, how would we know? Wish they would also start using like a 3007L and 3007S and just let us pick.
:)
what is the minimum resolution and the max resolution for dual display? i mean in each monitor?
I enjoy my gateway 19" widescreen monitor. I bought it for the price and the fact that it supports hdcp over dvi. I see no ghosting while gaming and my dvd's look as good as can be expected. I cannot wait till I get an hd-dvd or blu ray to see some better image quality though.
Great Guide!!! Have a 37" for PC but SED is looking sweet!!!
Hey does any1 know if this monitor is any good?
its the Benq FP202W 20" LCD
http://benq.com/products/LCD/?product=594
I've heard generally good things about Benq.
I'm thinking of buying a TFT screen, my good ol' LG 901B feels a bit old.
So, I've been checking out the new NEC widescreen monitor and the Samsung Syncmaster 215TW. According to the reviews I've read, the samsung seems to be ahead of the NEC monitor.
So, what do you guys think of the screens, and do you have a better monitor to reccomend, please go ahead. :)
I cant believe that I get more info here than any other place wth, neway great job and thanks.
Hi all, the 2007WFP just came in yesterday after ordering it last friday and man am I impressed. This thing is just gorgeous, beautiful colours, huge screen (well at least compared to my old CRT which had 16" viewing area) but I still have one point to make, which is that there IS noticeable ghosting when playing UT and other games. Another thing, NFS U2 and NFS MW stopped working as soon as I hooked up the monitor. Anyone know what might be wrong? I'll download patches and stuff and try a reinstall. I don't think they support widescreen either so you guys have links to hacks to get them to work widescreen? Anyways, slight ghosting but overall awesome monitor, thanks a lot to Turok and Leviathan for great advice.
Usama aka Ferrari Freak
How about this 20" Viewsonic VX2025WM 1680x1200 performance?
ferrari thats strange i have 2007fpw 2405fpw and i dont see any ghosting and lots ppl see my 2007fpw while i play and they say is perfect...
and i can play nfsmw :S in both try to reinstall and try widescreen gaming forum for hacks maybe i will make a compilation of hacks for games and add it here so we dont have to go anywhere :p:
Anybody know how the 24" Acer LCD is?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009061
Well, on the day I got it, the first thing my brother said was, "Hey, why is it laggy?" and it can't be my rigs performance because it he was on The Sims' loading screen with the different words sliding by. Meh, you get used to it after a while and the ghosting is very little anyways. Btw, also tried out Guild Wars, it looks absolutely awesome, the picture is just so much more detailed than the VGA connector on my old CRT.Quote:
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Usama aka Ferrari Freak
Any comments on this screen?
http://www.savastore.com/productinfo...=0&rstrat=3242
I really fancy that, unless someone can find me something better under £300. Does it support HDCP (do i even need HDCP) ?
Anyone who recently purchased a 2407 or a 2007 did you get the new revision I think A1 or A2? And if so did it seem to fix any banding issues? Also can I get confirmation that these two monitors both are HDCP ready?
all 07 are hdcp ready :D
the dell 2407 is a really good monitor right now and yes it is hdcp ready and its not that expensive with all the coupons and stuff.
Yea I am thinking of either picking up the 2407 or 2 2007s. Do you know what the response time is on the 2407?
Anyone got some reviews / things to say on the 20.1" Samsung SM204B ???
exact the same lcd as dell 2007fpw sear at bit tech i think they have the review
Hey guys, anyone here hve suggestions for a not toooo cheap quality LCD. 17-19" not for gaming?
if you're on about the SM204B. I can't see one there.Quote:
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I haven't decided with what monitor to go with now. The Dell monitors have so many problems now that I don't know I want to deal with that mess. I was looking at the Samsun 215TW because it has HDCP and is 21" but people are expirencing problems now with single verticl lines showing up on there screen of a random color. I don't know if I want to deal with that mess now either. Is there a 20-21" HDCP ready monitor out there that doesn't suck?
I were looking at that monitor too, though I haven't read of the problems you described, hopefully they will fix em on the next revision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Sexy
As much as I don't like trusting newegg reviews, about half them people complained about it and said they had to return their monitors for another, and in some cases people had to do it twice. A couple other forums out there people are claiming the same thing is happening to them. Its a shame because that is a real nice monitor.
Yes, seems to be really good, despite the problems you described ofcourse.
Very hard to find a good LCD monitor it seems, everyone has their on problems.
Its looking like, risk it with this and have to worry about returning or take a chance with Dell and hopefully get a monitor that doesn't have to bad of a banding issue.
I would love to be able to get a 20.1" Widescreeen LCD with great response time and has HDCP compliance.. except its almost impossible to find.
The only one that fits all of these is the Dell 2007fpw, which has some really bad banding issues.
The other monitor that I am thinking of getting is the Viewsonic VX2025WM.. except it isn't HDCP compliant :(
http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16824116381
Any other ideas?
I also thought of the VX2025WM, its very temping. There are a few gateways and HPs out there that are very decent that have HDCP, although I do not have model numbers right now.
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I keep hearing about these coupons! I really want that monitor! Where do I find these coupons?
Just do a google search. If you pick one up, let me know how the banding is.
Is there an updated list ANYWHERE that lists currently available HDCP compliant lcds.. you would think manufacturers would freaking list this crap. I know that most of the dells and gateway ones are but what about everyone else?
Heheh. Here are... twelve... monitors that fit that description. It's a bit dated. I'm sure you could come up with something else on Google. :D
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...ndup/page2.asp
I was wondering if anyone knows of a good 19" LCD monitor. I was considering 20" monitors, but I've realized I don't really need that much screen space.
There are a slew of 'em out there. The Viewsonic VX922 and 924 are similarly-priced; the Samsung 930B and 940B also seem to have similar features. I've heard a lot about the 930B, but they're all nice. Could anyone guide me in the right direction? I don't need anything extreme (do I belong here, then? ;) ) but something that will last me. I value accurate color representation over response time. After all, whatever the response time is, it's sure to be better than this one's 25 ms.
Thanks in advance,
Gerry