I've heard there are a couple of companies that have that left hole, but maybe I'm wrong. The most convincing marks are the two dimples in the center of the ic.
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I've heard there are a couple of companies that have that left hole, but maybe I'm wrong. The most convincing marks are the two dimples in the center of the ic.
you are right.. Samsung also has holes on some of their ic'sQuote:
Originally Posted by cardnut99668
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...141-402&DEPA=1
these are Winbond but much more expensive.
http://images10.newegg.com/productim...141-402-02.JPG
It'd only be 200 or so a gig, not bad.
how is 200for a gig valueram? patriot xbl is 210 at newegg and that is performance ram!
look at these.
Is it just me or does the 512mb Adata look identical to the VX? I looked at my vx again carefully and the Winbond circles are there. I couldn't see the circles earlier because of the printing left a cloudy film over the circles making them hard to see. Also note the 512mb twinmos is also identical to the vx. These are all Brain Power B6U808 PCB's
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...211-119&DEPA=1
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=22094&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22101&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22102&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22103&stc=1
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Originally Posted by trans am
holy crap according to that pic thats BH-5 man.
that Adata looks promisng, not really a close enough picture to tell though... $65 a stick isnt bad though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gulp35
what makes you think thats the brainpower PCB? looks way to complex imo.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
LOL, old pic maybe?
Nice find!
"The PCB is made by Brainpower and has Revision No. B6U808"
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/TwinMOS/SpeedPremium
Quote:
Originally Posted by gulp35
seems you are right sir :)
I think I've mentioned this before, but does anyone know anything more about the Infineon cheapo stuff? If these sticks are anything remotely like VX I may pick up a gig.
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...anufacture=RAM
I can't find any place that sells TwinMOS RAM in Canada. :(
EDIT: According to the customer reviews, it sucks. People in the NCIX forums are not known for their overclocking prowess, however. ;)
Well so far Adata, twinmos, and VX all using the same BP pcb. Coincidence?
somebody should order the AData and give it a try, or call them up or something!
if its like the twinmos 65$ would be amazing.
Maybe you should do it next. I've spent too much money on ram last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
Tomorrow I am off to hunt for some ram with all my list of codes.
:)
<joke>
Wait a minute!!! Isn't there a OCZ guy named Paul *or something like it*
http://secure.newegg.com/app/Custrat...tem=20-211-119
Read the second to last review....
CONSPIRACY!!!
</joke>
I need a little help.
If Im out looking for good ram, how exactly do I tell if its a BP pcb. just look for BP then code on the pcb edge ?
I think that the D denote 512m, both the speed premium and regular modules have the AADT. They look to have the same ICsQuote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...218-062&depa=1
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...218-405&depa=1
The difference i see is that the SP's have BP pcb while the other has jedec reference.
OK looking at these:
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=115490&cks=PRL
This is deffinitely winbond , I think its CH-5 (pt #M2S9I08A-WB)
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=113517&cks=PRL
Part number for this differs from the winbond by TT at the end(M2G9I08A-TT) making this UTT ???
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=112665&cks=PRL
This is oem stuff not list as winbond, but the part number is M2G9I08A-MK , MK ???
And still dont know how to tell if they have BrainPower PCB's
:confused:
http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage....218-059-02.jpg
TwinMOS 256MB PC3200 non-Speed Premium --- have AADT and look like the same pcb as these (http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage....218-404-02.jpg) which we know to Brain Power.
Brain Power PCB's typically have less clearance over the TSOPs (i.e. http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...&threadid=3213 an example with TCCD chips)
Thanks Gulp,
Right after looking at those pictures I think I know what I am exactly looking for , and by the looks of things these will be sub £100 for 1Gb .
:)
double sided Brainpower looks like these:
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=22094&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22101&stc=1
other side
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22102&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22103&stc=1
Thanks Trans AM,
looks like I found the right ones. £95 for 2x512 sticks :toast:
Im going to grab them tomorrow
memory overload memory overload. THis is just too much memory. First there was EB, then VX, now this. GEEZ when will the madness end.
The madness will end once amd starts using ddrII and we have to sell all this crap. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by situman
well we got about a year then :)Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
so is it very high possiblity that the next batch of Speed premium twinmos will be the good stuff, considering some twinmos said the more recent stuff will be the same as vx.
if this can be confirmed, i'll be putting in my order when it becomes available again for 2x512.
You are right...they have the same ICs, the problem is that neither of them have the right ICs. Unless my eyes are playing tricks, neither of those linked modules (both ending in AADT) have the larger Winbond dimples on them, only the smaller hole in the lower corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by CTKP
The modules that have been confirmed to work well have had the AA4T coding and both the hole in the lower corner and the circular dimples, just like original Winbond.
Well the 2nd one is the same speed premium I ordered 1st except it's the 512mb version. I am willing to guess you are ok with those. I should have those same 512 sticks here Thursday. I'm mostly curious about those adata I posted for 65.50 (512mb) they have brainpower pcb and are probably using the same as the Twinmos. anyone want to check to make sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
i've bought too much stuff already, gskillpc4400le, amd3700+, gonna be buying a lanparty 754, and i'm trying to save up for the DFI nforce4 board.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
why would you blow money on 754 rig, if you are saving for 939? sounds redundant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
Does the Speed Premium 512 stick that you ordered have the circular markings? I couldn't make those out in the picture. The actual chips are coded like your 256 stick (44D). I'm sure there are going to be a ton of guys hanging out on Thursday waiting for you to post about what you got.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
I just took a good look at my VX modules. Both sticks are totally void of any markings. On top of that, there are no dimples on any of the ICs. I think the leprechauns did something to mine. :confused:
Anyway, I'm just waiting to see the results from trans am's 2x512MB kit. This should be interesting. ;)
"Memory does as advertised. It passed 12 cycles of memtest with the following settings: CL 2.5-3-3-8/dual/200Mhz (PC3200)/2.6v.Quote:
Originally Posted by gulp35
Whatever you do, don't give it more than 2.6v. This memory does not like high voltage. At just 2.7v, it started to get memtest errors and at 2.8v, it would not boot."
if this is right then it's not the chips we are looking
i started with 2.7V and about 215Mhz @ 2.5-3-3-5,
220Mhz gave memtest#5 errors that got eliminated with 2.8V
now _WITHOUT_ some extra voltage (2.8 that real that MSI Neo2 max's out)
it's seems that i can't do 2-2-2-5.
so its just like VX...
on a side note my 2700 purchase is delayed i wont have the CC until tomorow at 3, i just hope this stuff clocks as well as the 3200 :cool:
gonna have an overclocking/gaming pc, and one will be mildly overclocked, HTPC which will have my tv tuner and stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
can you help me where/which ? 10xQuote:
Originally Posted by Jessfm
just make sure you dont buy the AAD version like mine :(
its not wonbond utt chip :(
http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtre...50D-237MHz.txt
How high can you run 2-2-2 ? Also, is 3.06vdimm the highest you can go?
A few pages back I said which to get(from my own personal experience), you bought different ones that's why it doesn't have UTT.
my bad :slap:
:(
I've just ordered 2 of those sticks to cover our bases, if they don't like being tortured they can be retired into the business computer ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pcworks
Hopefully my OCZ booster will work with my PCP&C 510 when it arrives today, it didn't want to work with my CWT 550W.
I haven't ever seen any twinmos memories which end with AADT p/n code, that do 2-2-2-5 :devil:
And could somebody explain what winbond UTT is :toast: I couldn't understand.
I would also like to learn what chips VX use ;) (If any body knows)
Is your post directed at the purchase I just made, or is it a general one for the thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by X-GeN
I'm sorry it should be AADT
My post wasn't just for you, it was for everybody !
If you know the ram you're purchasing is definitely AADT, I would say dont waist time with it...
Look for AA4T
One of the guys at OC Forums has just picked up a 512MB stick of OCZ PC2700 Value Series with those same M.tec chips you have described above (ending in 60D with the "04304-50" mfg. date info). He is the one that I've been waiting to get back with me. I thought he was buying TwinMOS, but it was instead the OCZ with the M.tec chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-GeN
On an Intel rig he hit 250 with 2-2-2-6 using 3.6v so that is a very VX like performance for Intel, maybe even a little better than some. Just wanted to pass that along.
Those M.tec chips are like little jewels lying around, just waiting to be picked up.
yeah so ordering that 2700 as soon as i get home...
Just got mine, W942508CH-5, 0338WI. :)
Some theory you got there. Look at the picture I have attached. Top is AADT 512mb and Bottom is AA4T 256mb stick. Look at the IC's. Labeled exactly the same. Camera just didn't pick up the winbond dots on the 512mb stick. I mean look at the 245mb AA4T stick. The camera only pics up one of the dots on the chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-GeN
I couldn't help notice the PCBs are different though in your picture. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkie34
Are you sure that 512mb stick is winbond :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkie34
I don't think so. As I said I haven't seen any Twinmos which is AADT, contain Winbond Chips !!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by GazC
One is single sided the other is a double sided stick. Thats why they look different.
Pretty darn sure considering they have identical chip markings and are both speed premium. Put it this way, why would twinmos build there new "speed premium" pc3200 sticks with winbond chips on their 256mb sticks and not on their 512mb pc3200 speed premium sticks of the exact same model? :rolleyes: We'll know for sure when mine and trans arrive tomorrow for sure.Quote:
Are you sure that 512mb stick is winbond
Ask tictac if this is all theory. Quote is from his post in the previous page.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkie34
"just make sure you dont buy the AAD version like mine
its not wonbond utt chip"
I believe there is validity to the AA4T "theory". So does tictac.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
His is a 256mb stick of AAD.
Tictac. Was that a speed premium stick or just regular twinmos?
geeze both TWINMOS SPEED PREMIUM SOLD OUT at newegg :(
Twinmos isn't like OCZ, Mushkin, Geil, Corsair or so companies. These companies that I listed, as you say use a spesific chip for a model. But Twinmos isn't like them ;) So isn't Kingston :DQuote:
Originally Posted by sparkie34
I'll be waiting for your memories :D
that could also be an old image on newegg's site. the 256 could be a newer image. Also remeber that kingston image eith the BH-5? I think it's safe to say that is old too. But MAybe that could be a loophole if you ordered to confirm what it was and get a rma and say it's not what the picture showed.
that stuff doesnt say speed premium though but i'll wait on your results :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GazC
hopefully it is the same stuff.
Quote:
Originally Posted by enzoR
The 256Mb stick of that stuff from Komplett has the same part number as Trans am's stick that did ~267 2-2-2, I ordered a stick to play with so when it arrives I'll let you know how it does. The only thing that does concern me is that it's not labelled as Speed Premium like Trans-Am's is, but at £22 you cant go wrong! :D
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=115490&cks=SER
Anyone tried that one?
yea a few pages back... he said he got CH-5
Yes, I got CH-5.
after some googleing i found this russian website that had some news on winbond UTT ram.
Here is the text translated from Babel Fish:
"As reports the Taiwan Internet- resource DigiTimes, referring to the producers of the modules of memory, company Winbond of beginning recently the production of its first chips UTT DRAM (Untested DRAM - chips, which do not pass testing after production). I will recall that some time Winbond back concluded large agreement about the collaboration with the German giant Infineon Technologies (see news for 6 August), in accordance with which it reoriented the part of its power from production Pseudo SRAM (PSRAM) to production DRAM. The general productivity of the re-equipped lines composes 10 thousand. 200 mm of silicic plates per month; however, because orders Infineon cover it not completely, Winbond decided to use the unoccupied part for the production of its own chips DRAM. At the given moment the volume of production UTT DRAM find on the sufficiently low level, however, according to the data of the Taiwan producers of the modules of memory, in the next months Winbond it can bring it to the level 3 mln. chips in the 2shch'-megabitnom equivalent. Itself Winbond thus far in no way comments on situation with production UTT DRAM."
i also found this news headline: "Infineon transfers 90nm DRAM technology to Winbond" but u have to pay to read the news so fk that :rolleyes:
so maybe these UTT's are made on 0.9nm! :eek:
that could explain why they run so cool even though were shoveing 3.5++V's up its ass! :stick: :D
mine just 256MB TwinMOS PC3200 not the speed premium
the AAD is not winbond UTT in my memory :(
Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
Why didn't you order the speed premium?
My friend is getting a new rig soon, I think I can handpick a few for him from the store and return the non-UTT ones. I'll be sure to give you guys a report on my success.
handpick ... such a nice word ...Quote:
Originally Posted by MrQ3W
Ok, I made some calls today.
These are confirmed not the good stuff:
-Buffalo
-PQI
I am still waiting on ADATA and Kingston.
so far best bet is ocz vx and twinmos with "AA4T" suffix
:toast: :toast: :toast: . nice Work!Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
anyone has any info for the Kingston value RAM?
i might be able to check tommorow personaly
of cource ill post :D
and twinmos speed premium is the good stuff. confirmed that they are useing UTT on all speed premium. non speed premium is luck of the draw.
What would the the chips be labeled as in other brands, for example I know that kingston sometimes relabels chips with their label, so does A-data.
I saw a deal at Fry's in today's paper that says you can get 1GB of Mushkin Enhanced memory for 139$ what would those chips look/be labeled as?
My stick of ram arrived from Komplett.co.uk today.
Unfortunately I got the AADT ram as well :mad:
The full details of the stick is:
Part number : M2G9108A8AMK 9F081AADT
Model number : M2G9108A-MK
marking on chips are : Mtec 0447D TTD7608F8E50D
They boot at 2.6v upto 235mhz at cas2 3-3-8 2T on my arock mobo. My OCZ booster should be back from RMA tomorrow from OCuk.
Oh well, didn't get the UTT but this ram runs OK. Cannot complain for £21
Rob H
why didnt you order these :confused:
Do you have confirmation that those sticks have Winbond UTT drams on them Enzor?
Rob H
i think you got confused when you placed your order. the stick you ordered was different from this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcworks
model number A-TT should be part number AA4T which is UTT.
called kingston and spoke for an hour about these. Michael said, there is no way to guarantee what ic's will come on the valueram because they use a lot of different chips for the same ram. I showed him pics with the circles and all he couldn't tell where they were made. I don't think Michael is going to be much of an asset here. :(
he said they haven't used winbond ic's for a year or two. I asked if they used Infineon and he said they do.... I showed him the picture at newegg of the kingston with the Bh5. He said it was an old photo.
how did u show him all those pics on the phone! :eek:
I would email him zip attachments while I was on the phone with him. I did the same with everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by enzoR
thats some xtreme phoneing for finding xtreme ram. :D
All we need now is a response from Adata.
well we are still unsure of which twinmoss 100% has UTT.
I think the Twinmos sticks depend on how old the etailer's stock is. If they have had a recent shipment then they should have WinbondUTT modules if you get older stock they will probably be older mosel modules.
Rob H
so all new twinmos should be UTT?
Quote:
Originally Posted by enzoR
no. all new twinmos speed premium should be utt. after week 0446 or until xs members clean their supply.
Man, Alvin. You sure are doing your homework on this one. You should have your title changed to Xtreme UTT Guru. :D
So... I guess we all wait for Newegg.
i gotta get these 2*512 :)
what type of supply is there of the UTT chips? Should I buy now or are they going to be around in 3 months at about the same price?
hehe same here!
http://www.people.freenet.de/darkcra...kingston/2.jpg
Chips from the kingston Ram on Page 3... Looks to be ProMOS chips as mentioned in the ocforums.com dissussion of the VX chips... I thought I heard that the 4SAT5B chips didn't do too well?
I went to the ProMOS site, and downloaded the part numbering pdf and the chips on that ram are as follows
V: ProMOS
58: DDR
C: CMOS
2: 2.5v
25680: 32x8
4: 4 banks
S: SSTL_2
A: 1st revision
T: TSOP
5B: 200MHz @ 2.5-3-3
: 0-70C
I was just looking at the VX thread again, and I realized that it looks like the guy that tried to blackmail OCZ was right about the chips they used. :D OCZ posted the message he sent them, which actually supposedly revealed the chips they used, but then they made a mockery of it so no one would believe it. Clever!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...325#post635325
As much as I love you, OCZ, I'm cheap. Here's to your ingenuity, though! :toast:
winbond is planning on produceing more laterQuote:
Originally Posted by gulp35
Quote:
Originally Posted by gulp35
the chips on the kingston on page 3 is different. that is winbond notice the 2 large dimples. the thing about value ram is that kingston just slaps any chips on there that they have too much off.
You can see the dimples in that pic they are just distorted because of the angle of the shot, the chip closest to the right you can see better than on the left. this pic is in the same folder that the last pic was from... even though that does not garuntee that it is the same, it greatly increases the chances
hmm ok so promoss might have it too
good stuff, i will definately consider it for my intel rig
(once i get my OCZ powerstream ;))
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...387&CatId=1354
are those kingstons the ones you posted? there is an extra K at the end of these chips, but maybe that is tigerdirect being retarded, considering they have pictures of kingston ram when its supposed to be mushkin. But in chicago there is an outlet and i can go look at the actual chips. So if these are candidates i will take a look at the store and come back with steppings and stuff.