@cdawall
Get your big boy pants on, c14 is a joke for benching
https://s27.postimg.org/jd5hxjj7n/20170327_185346.jpg
15 min on this board. 3600c12 is easy if you follow the rules.
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@cdawall
Get your big boy pants on, c14 is a joke for benching
https://s27.postimg.org/jd5hxjj7n/20170327_185346.jpg
15 min on this board. 3600c12 is easy if you follow the rules.
Nice work!!, looks like Biostar board is very good :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenEffect
My dime my time.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1omnd8ph.jpg
that is no biostar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastviking
ch6
I got tired of waiting for bios update from them so I switched boards to one with more immediate capability. not saying biostar wont be able to achieve the same eventually, it just cant right now.
@chew
NICE. Now that we are on the same playing field, LETS DO THIS!
I was trying to save the little PRO from a whooping.
We will keep those non ref boards for non ref on non ref crime.
is it really fair though with all the manufacturers being on different agesa versions? I haven't had an update on biostar since the 14th and its getting really annoying. I can clearly see that they make a HUGE difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
lol yes it is very easy if you have sticks that do it. I am not going to walk out and bin sticks to get that far CL14 is fine for what I am doing :rofl: That however is a much nicer run than my CL14! Any benchmarks at those speeds I would be curious how much more efficient it is vs my CL14 run, there wasn't a jump in CB15 for CL16 vs 14 nor was there one in valley which were 3/4th of the benchmarks I had to run at work.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenEffect
We did not bin.
We both came from retirement.
Ryzen from our slumber.
Ordered one set newegg no sponsors no handouts running what we brung just like street races/drag strip which is sort of where we have been.
I opted for pc3200 14-14-14
He ordered the 15-15-15 3600 stuff i think.
post up 32m 4ghz @ your timings and speed, we will see how much faster my runs are and I wont even use ref clock adjustment c12 is no joke. 32m is the true show all of system efficiency.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdawall
also, those are NOT binned sticks. I bought a SINGLE set from newegg and have been rocking them since. not binned... maybe lucky but definitely not binned (I'm pretty lucky with memory) though I'm confident 90% of Samsung b-die single rank sticks will do 3600c12 all day long. its all in the tuning and understanding of platform behavior. no binning needed if you are understanding what the board is doing, understand what the memory likes, and can work with it.
That is curious. Well I am going to give CL12 another shot. I am not a prideful one on this platform, it is not hard to beat my scores I am far from an expert lol. The kit I am using I didn't pay for nor did I pay for any of the rest of the rig, but I don't get to keep it nor do I have it at home. Rig was a build for a contest and hopefully we won. I will try some more on it at work tomorrow, but that will only happen if I am not busy doing my actual job :rotf:
I found some effeciency at 16 but it was not by choice lol.
I understand the point you have made regards CPU overclocking and having the ability to have finer control over the final clock speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Though I am not following how this applies to memory overclocking in the sense that a ref clock board can clock so much more higher than a non ref clock board.
The granularity that non ref clock board gives is not going to effect the memory in terms of total frequency, is it because the ref clock board can avoid memory holes so that they can clock at higher frequencies ?
Dude, flash from the pastQuote:
Originally Posted by Lastviking
Remember those days hammering the BH-5's !!!!
:-)
Im not sure yet. There definitely are holes in applied settings though alot of them. I know one thing is for sure my fury x does not like over 2...Quote:
Originally Posted by mongoled
My 8400 does not like 150
try a 290x, I was 160+ last night with it. as our 290x are basically the same bin, it *in theory* should work the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Got a couple others i can try maybe a 3870 likes it. Trying to avoid messing with the daily and waterblocks for now.
Mr Chew... Chewy... Chewbacca, if I may, considering the thread title :D
W..would you like to be a guinea-pig? ^_^ I scrounged up AMIBCP for Aptio V v5.0.1.0014, and AM4 BIOSes load and save fine (or seem to from the looks...), and since I figured you'd definitely not want to sacrifice your last Gigabyte board (at least I think you've fragged them all? lol), I figured maybe that B350 may be worth exploring?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...0&d=1490847273
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&d=1490847271
Your Prime is... *cough* Optimus Prime, as there's more in that BIOS than meets the eye! (god, I am so sorry for that, please forgive me? :rofl:)
I already took the liberty of setting them all the "USER" instead of Default, which in past experience 'unlocked' the settings. Unfortunately my only other UEFI or even AMI motherboard met an untimely demise when my multimeter probe slipped and shorted on one of the capacitors near the CPU (was an FM1 board back in the day). Otherwise I wouldn't be coming to ya and would gladly do it myself :\
For reference though... No errors and they compare the same:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&d=1490847270
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...7&d=1490847268
There's a WHOLE wack of other stuff in that "overflow" sections as well, that could be moved over into free spots in accessible areas. Things like "SATA CLK Mode Option" with "EXT 25MHz" "INT 48MHz" "INT 100MHz" "Auto" options. Or Memory Bank and Channel Inteleaving. As well as things I'm not quite certain the usefulness of like "SB Clock Spread Spectrim Option" (Optimal is set to -0.375%) and PCIB_CLK_Stop_Override with a value input...:D
Anyways I can PWD Zip the archive and PM you the pass, or something, if you're interested.
Theres a few things I would love working or added on my b350.
I did put it to the side for now but yah maybe i'll solder it up to verify no crazy voltage changes and then we can guinea pig it.
I have an underperforming 1700x that promises it will do better in its next life to so I can stick that in it for the oops factor.
If there is a vddp option to enable :cool: currently only has standyby vddp..........
Also drive strengths and clock skews are my old pals. love having those.
I'm down. if anything bad happens I will grab another for $80 off clearance rack :)
Pre-Posting edit: I notice that on your first page posts you showed the BIOS for both the B350-Prime and X370-Pro. I didn't see any "VDDP Standby Voltage" on the B350 image, but I do see it on the X370 pic... Is that perhaps the one you were thinking of accidentally? Or even, is that the one you'd rather I try modding the BIOS for?
Alright so I'll need to do some reading to confirm that this is doable, but I THINK and hope all I need to do is take the "Token" value in the "BIOS Strings" tab and place it into the "Handle" box in wherever menu I want it on the "Setup Configuration" tab, and that'll add said item into said menu. Back when I had unlocked things on my friend's MSI Laptop I do believe that's what I had done. However, the main difference between these was I was taking a Handle from one menu and moving it to another. So my :confused: in this instance is if "Token" is just a string reference only and that it won't necessarily effect the BIOS GUI option's physical abilities. (If that makes sense? In short: not sure if all I'll be doing is for example, taking "VDDCR CPU Voltage" and making it now say "VDDP Voltage", but any changes you make will still only adjust "VDDCR".)
Two interesting things next to the VDDP entry in the Strings table, is "APU Frequency" which has a "Valid Input value: 90.0MHz - 300.0MHz", which I can't help but feel might be BClk? As the next string down reads: "BCLK_Divider" with, I believe, choices of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Unlike the C6H there isn't a "BCLK Frequency" string, but there is another one for "APU Multiplier" which has a description saying it sets the multiplier between the "APU Core Clock and the APU Bus Frequency", which makes me feel like it's just a hold-over from another motherboard (possible an FM2+ system).
In other news... "lawl What?!" award of the day goes to BIOS String '0x0A6A Satellite Comm. Controller'! Congrats on your eyebrow-raising function... whatever that may be! ASUS, what are you up to over there?? lol
I'll go do some digging now into strings, menus, and handles. In the meantime, since I feel this might be the safest one to test, here's with just everything on the DRAM Timings page set to "USER" which should make it visible to you. I just hope that the 'lack of signature' on the BIOS doesn't prevent it from being flashed like my Gigabyte FM1 board with Award BIOS. Back then I had previously been modding the heck out of my 890GX AM3 board no problem, but the FM1 board employed CRC checks and as a result my modded BIOS wouldn't flash :( Fingers crossed :up: (there wasn't an emote lol)
MODDED BIOS DOWNLOAD LINK TEMPORARILY REMOVED WHILE I ATTEMPT TO FIX CRC :D Current findings regarding this leave me to err on the side of caution, so I don't suggest attempting a flash yet, if you've downloaded it. (Same applies to the below MkII modded BIOS)
Did some reading, changed a whole whack of things this time. Included a changelog, found a way to dump the entire menu structure with all the settings (though it doesn't contain the reference Hex for the Strings), and also will include the Strings dump for the hell of it (which won't be of huge help w/o the reference Hex...)
Both are compressed with a Recovery Record; I practice safe packing. lol
Same password as before. (If these flash fine and Chew deems them "safe" [or safe enough] I'll happily re-up a public one)
BTW It might be ideal, before flashing, to rename it to remove my -Modded and -MkII suffix.
MODDED BIOS DOWNLOAD LINK TEMPORARILY REMOVED WHILE I ATTEMPT TO FIX CRC :D
(Can only claim that the will apply to version 0513)
Here's the Menus&Options and Strings dumps:
Attachment 132252
No password, cuz meh, harmless txt files.
I've been playing with bioses from s.A era, have my own custom bioses, but haven't spent much time with newer tools.
I'm tempted to try a mod on my spare AB350 Fatal1ty. It appears all of the bioses of a given brand are almost the same, because they are still on the early productions stages and the different branches are not so different. Some things are hidden for specific boards, although it doesn't mean if you enable them they will do something.
I'm most interested in updating AGESA from one board to another. Can't get the latest mmtool though.
HereQuote:
Originally Posted by I.nfraR.ed
Yea, looking through my own MSI X370 Titanium, I was actually confused for a moment as I thought I maybe mis-labeled the ASUS B350 BIOS; however, my MSI's is way more polished in every regard. I'll admit that could be due to having opened the dump ROM instead of using the downloaded one. Either way, aside from board and vendor specific stuff, the meat of the BIOS is very similar. My Advanced DIMM area has full listings on what the timings are, compared to the ASUS which are all blank.Quote:
Originally Posted by I.nfraR.ed
-_- I spent literally 2hrs trying to find a download link for that version of MMTool, but everywhere I looked, AMI had managed to get it pulled! Many thanks for that link :)Quote:
Originally Posted by aGeoM
As for any CRC crap, I'm not quite able to find much. The best source of info I'm coming across is on the VoltGround forums and it says...
Critical: Please make sure your system is connected to the power source and you are not on battery only. Also, make sure your CPU and GPU is not overclocked/undervolted/overvolted while flashing. If they are please revert them back to default values before continuing any further. Failure to do so may prevent your system from booting properly if it has a random restart/shutdown or halt during the flashing process.
Step 5. Open AFUWIN again and this time click "Open" and select the modified BIOS you just saved in AMIBCP. Leave everything here defaulted. Just click "Flash" and allow it to finish completely.
Step 6. Once everything is green and is complete, you can close AFUWIN and restart your system and enter the BIOS to see your additional menus unlocked.
Still think I'm going to wait for Chew to be able to dump one, simply based on this tidbit:
As for the signed CAP. Simple workaround is dump your current BIOS (AFUWIN64) and open it up in UEFITool and you should notice the CAP is removed.
If you download any version of BIOS on ASUS support page and not make a current dump of your own, and apply hex edit changes without removing the CAP on the downloaded BIOS, then yes, you could potentially brick.
Ok since microcenter is dumb and i am on a business trip I reserved two boards one in long island ( taichi ). One in Boston ( Giga K7 ).
Which board you guys want to see tortured?
I can play a tune on any trombone :D
Nice.
Think im gonna grab taichi. K7 is gaming 5 with refclock. So once back from rma I will still have giga.
I like variety plus can help my buddy on x370 fatality tuning and it frees up my usb wifi for multiple board testing since it has built in wifi.
More importantly my reason for long island is an old pal...single stage phase unit. Any way in boston, on my way to jersey then long island then back to R.I.....busy busy busy.
Actually no, I'm too sleepy. 3200 2x8 is fine, but with 4x8 it was actually booting at some failsafe settings without "overclocking failed".
Anyone have a mod Ch6 bios with updated agesa?
https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/7...ase-change.jpg
Also, since the only access I have is to my MSI's BIOS, I dumped it, made some changes in the editor, and saved... While I've not gathered the cajones to flash it, I can at least verify that there is indeed NO "Saving as unsigned" warning!! That alone makes me almost confident enough to give it a try, seeing as I know that this board has the flash recovery. Problem is I don't know if that is guaranteed to work if the EEPROM has a corrupted image... Does anyone know with certainty?
Msi b350 have same EEPROM? Just waiting for an open box one i slept on one missed out..
Boards are like my mechanic tools.
Cpus are like the cars i work on.
More tools i have at my disposal the better i can do my job.
I love tools. :D
Nice i have been playing with mine. 32m pi is a bit harder to stabilize at those speeds/timings especially at the dividers im trying to use :)
Btw nope no bricked board (CH6). Works fine. Has lots of buttons to push so still fooling around and been busy working.
Everytime i go to hit power button they keep calling me even during my personal time.
Its like they have a hidden camera so only time i seem to be able to fool with it is midnight till 3am....
For those interested follow my you tube video of asus prime x370 for pwm llc and voltage settings...ive already confirmed at socket exact same results as my prime x370.
For those that are lazy...
Ch6 actual dmm measurements @ socket
Llc lvl 5 optimized and 1.4 vcore = 1.45 measured at test pad.....
1.39 socket idle/1.40-1.41v loaded which is where it matters most.
SOC
Llc3 optimized 1.1v = 1.0 measured @ socket idle/load
Yahhhhhhh Budddy!
I don't know if that was in reply to my comment, but if so then I have no idea if they do or not hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by chew*
I don't even know exactly where the BIOS EEPROM is on this Titanium for that matter. I inspected it for quite awhile when I took it out of the box, and nothing really stood out...
Just looked now and it appears to be all the way up next to the CPU, right between the x16 Slot and the bottom AM4 bracket. I mean I assume it's that, since the JSPI header is there. Both my Titanium and your B350 Plus are 16MB though, probably a requirement with UEFI now. BUT for reference this chip is... MXIC MX 25U12873F (not that I can find any info on it
Speaking of which, Chew do you have any idea what these two 2-pin jumpers might be? (to the right ~4inches of the SPI header) Labeled JOV_2 and JOV_1?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...4&d=1491080155
I know J = Jumper and is everywhere a jumper is, so I can only assume bridging them triggers some kind of OverVoltage for extreme OC? Perhaps a multiplier of whatever you set in the BIOS... *shrug*
Over Volt 1 and 2? Vcore and SOC most likely.
Maybe for ln2 over clocking purposes unlocks retard volts. Perfect for me. I fit the description.
Check what max voltage is.
My little x370 pro has 2.0v, no jumpers lol
Another my dime my time although someone else may be doing a little play time on it before me. I am just going to confirm it works, flash to latest. Test out dual rank quick for the community to see if it works then off to CA. it goes for a little while to my buddy. Maybe he can do some reporting on it if he feels like it.
Just when you might have thought i was sponsored and or biased towards asus....curve ball.
First Asrock I have ever owned or been even remotely interested in.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/...pshj8lafs7.jpg
In the MSI Command Center (so BIOS ability may differ) it says for maximums:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
CPU Core 1.7V (which I can confirm is not CPU VDDP, as that option is hidden in the BIOS)
CPU NB 1.4V
CPU 1P8 2.5V
DRAM 2.2V
DRAM VPP 3.770
DRAM CH_ VRef 1.2350 (one each for A and B)
PROM Core 1.5V
PROM PHY 3.0V
I'm surprised to see that the Taichi didn't populate the onboard buttons on the bottom... Or are there ones, and it's just the provisions for a fancy shroud that I'm seeing the solder holes for?
And... if I might pick your brain further? I saw the review samples of my Titanium (and CES model) come with this 'thing' but all that consumer boards come with are the solder pads. I've always found motherboards really cool and always want to know what every unpopulated solder location is for so I know whether or not it's a missed feature or just debug stuff that doesn't concern me. lol In this instance I'm seriously hoping its the latter and isn't anything BCLK related. :P
This is the best pic I've been able to track down of it. It's 20pin [10 DIP] and in the center is some sorta doo-hicky that looks almost like an iron choke heh
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&d=1491090813
So, I've been able to regularly run 1.55v loaded under water at less than 70c loaded. I'm beginning to think these processors just like more voltage than intel processors do
Maybe they were playing with switching frequency optimizations pre launch?
Close relation to pwm so.
Yah taichi is missing luxuries of fatality.
Does not mean i can not steal them off an old dead board and solder them in :D
Aah ok. Perhaps. Those options appear to be in the BIOS, in the LLC category, but might've been having trouble with 'em early on. *shrug*
I have been really curious about this board, can't wait to see your take on itQuote:
Originally Posted by chew*
There are quite a few folks on the [H]Forum that have it and so far they seem to be quite pleased by it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdawall
When I buy a board I was considering that one as well. Everytime I consider it, they seem to be out of stock... lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Well, I do.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Formula350
I'm running a AMIBCP edited bios, on my B350 Tomahawk, with some options enabled. Used M-Flash at default (always) to flash it.
About .cap bios as ASUS, they have protection, and for what I read, you need some KEY to add to your modded bios or the latest AMI flash tool, and run it from DOS with a undocumented /GAN option. Personally I haven't tried so I can't confirm. When I needed to flash a modded bios in my Crosshair V, I went back to BIOS 0901 (original) and flashed modded bios from there.
Check this info.
Literally there were like 4 in long island when i reserved at like closing time...when i got there at 11 am...all gone including all other top tier x370.Quote:
Originally Posted by charged3800z24
3 open box msi carbons though....guess people are not happy with that board..
I still have a k7 on reserve in boston. Debating on that or more memory.
3 K7 left
Get em while you can...
http://www.microcenter.com/product/4...MD_Motherboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by aGeoM
What version of AMIBCP was used?
Was it the downloaded BIOS or one you dumped?
What was changed, and do the options that were changed actually work?
As far as the ASUS issue, that post you linked is only for Aptio IV, but all of our stuff uses at least Aptio V. The post where I quoted stuff, in those they also referenced Aptio V, so I believe their solution on CAP work for both versions. That's why I'm waiting for Chew to have time to dump his and I'll futz with it for him :P
EDIT: Oh yea, Chew, you should definitely check out HWiNFO64's latest Beta version... Good god that thing's Sensor Status feature has 10 times what AIDA or HWMonitor have combined! It's awesome! lol I've known about it for years, but for Ryzen it's very comprehensive in all the stuff it offers. Has multiple VRM outputs as well (I assume one for CPU-NB and the other for CPU Core, based on the voltage they're putting out). Gives their temps, amp draw, amp output, wattage, etc etc. I just wish I knew what all these other voltage readings were specifically for lol A bunch on the motherboard just say "VIN5, VIN6, VIN11, VIN14" :P Also shows CPU Core Urrent, SoC Current, ad then CPU Package Power, CPU Core Power, SoC Power, CPU Power... Which I'm not quite sure what differentiates all the various Powers, since none of them is outputting the same wattages. SoC's makes sense given the voltage it's running at and its current, the rest? *shrug* Beats me lol
Ditto. I like mine, but I have had little time to play with it and haven't really pushed it to its full potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdawall
Also it's fooling me with booting successfully after UEFI overclock. Now it loops through boot/shutdown about 6 times and then loads defaults on me without me noticing (my 100% fan profile remains so it fooled me heh). I finally checked CPU-z and there it was, 3.7 GHz + DDR4-2133. wat
So back to Ryzen Master for awhile I guess. I must be doing something wrong in the UEFI to make it behave like that.
70c Tctl or 70c CPU/socket temp?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
No it's just how Ryzen handles unstable(failed) overclocks on boot. Basically it tries to prevent ever having to clear CMOS due to a failed overclock.Quote:
Originally Posted by drmrlordx
I know mobo makers have attempted it and Gigabytes has always been really good at recovery. MSI has been so-so on my FM2 board (as short lived as it was). ASRocks back in FM1 was hit or miss as well.
Didn't matter downloaded or dumped. Most has the downloaded ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Formula350
HPET option to show
Optimal settings, like disabling serial(COM) and parallel(LPT) and others for convenience.
Memory PatchID
CPU VDDP Voltage but does nothing
AMD Cool n' Quiet disabled
SB Clock Spread Spectrum is now disabled
a some others
Most of them work, others don't, sub memory settings or DRAM adjust frequency are some.
AMIBCP 5.02.0023.
EDIT: I always flash original bios first and then the same version modded ones.
Many thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by aGeoM
Not sure if you are saying that Sub Timings do not work? If not, that's too bad :( I'll still try them and keep my fingers crossed! :P
I can't believe you're able to modify them in v2.02! I would've been too scared to use one that old. lol
Sorry version 5.02.0023.
If you have sub-timing values maybe they work, on my bios have none, so didn't worked.
As I remember the dump BIOS in my CHV didn't work for modding, flashrom latest compile didn't found EEPROM, afudos coreboot protected could't flash. Luckily bios 0901 was unprotected so I could flash to 2201 modded.
2201?
He's talking about his old AM3 Crosshair 5 (CHV). Took me reading it three times to catch that... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
At any rate, on that note Chew, it seems that whether you want to still try it on your B350-Plus is up to you. I'd definitely feel more confident through using a dumped BIOS though, given there's no Signing to worry about, and I'll still be more than happy to do the modding of it for you.
I'm not even sure if I have the latest bios but its not ready for PRO OVERCLOCKING levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by drmrlordx
It needs baby steps. boost memory reboot boost cpu reboot.
Love the built in Wifi
Fine for daily guys though. I will let zeneffect deal with its headaches for a bit.
Seems slow in PI cinebench spot on.......def needs socket measured....1.40vcore is not a real 1.40v even at LLC 5......below was at 1.45 llc5 this chip does that on the asus pro and ch6 at 1.40v llc5
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/...psjt28qjxw.jpg
To even consider itself a top board its going to need to boot at much higher than 5 bclk......and its going to need to be able to overclock memory.......
this is a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty time I was just testing scaling on ch6. good times are sub 8:40's
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/...pszbjzsyon.jpg
This one is almost a good time......should be sub 8:20's
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/...psz2tqwqof.jpg
@Chew
Can you change with MemTweakIt the Timings & Subtimings ore only Show them with it?
And did MenTweakIt only run in Asus ore every AM4 Mainboard ?
No..the way to change subs is bclk and divider...
Yes it works for all boards..
Where did you Download it and wich One?
I Test 2.0 but wount run on My Gigabyte AM3+
Rog memtweakit right from asus site. Think i found it in ch6 support files.
I just used it to verify main timings as some go lower but do not apply.
Thx
Need to prep my ch6.
Am3 mounting comes in handy....
Phase unit has been checked out pulled down to -51c no load. :D
This one is tuned for max cold light load. Is suited to running super pi. The other is not as cold but tuned for load like cinebench. That one is at msimax's house. Now we can pretune at his house and mine.
Still working great after 5 years.
RunMc makes some killer reliable units. :up:
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/...psx60fuq7b.jpg
Much Fun
Ok so I gave the Asrock one more shot.....
Meet Asrock on crack.....with a :banana::banana::banana::banana: load of workarounds......it appears the board has potential.....
Told you I can get a tune out of any trombone :D
win 10 so score meh untuned did not care results are buggy so test performance in 7 later.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/...psjosuwyp5.jpg
Asrock has a few more tricks up its sleeve......:D
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/...psr86baurr.jpg
I'm making some progress, but 3600 seems hard to stabilize with 2400 divider (145+ refclk) or I still haven't found the right knob.
VDDSOC doesn't seem to help much after certain point. Some other voltages help a little, but not much. Still left to bring down the temperature.
Got it 1sec faster on next 1777MHz mem freq, now trying same at 11-11-11, however 3600 is a no go for now with this divider.
https://s2.postimg.org/jorxenbxj/screen519.jpg
Nice.
My PC 3200 kit falls apart and I have to drop to C14.......I need another kit.
No complaints at the $159 price point though.
The 3600 kit is considerably more.
Hopefully the next set is better.
Keep in mind this is a binned set on Kaby for 4000+ 12-11-11 wazza stable (possibly 4133 12-11-11 too). Bought it pre-binned, although not uber good, kind of decent. The other one I have is much older and a little weaker, but still good.
I have friends who bought several kits really high bin (4133 I think) recently, but they all failed 4000 12-11-11, so it's a lottery.
I'm mostly hitting IMC limit, because memory is definitely capable. VDIMM doesn't help. If I push the next divider to slacken up the secondaries and tertiaries a bit, it might run 3600 stable.
PS: AFAIK, AMD will unlock higher dividers soon, but what I really hope for is a full control of subtimings, because I'm really not fond of running tWCL=18+, lol.
PS2: @chew*, something I noticed is there's no way to maximize the screenshots you're posting. I click on the magnifier icon, but the size is still the same and very hard to see details.
1.5sec faster at CL11 same setttings
https://s7.postimg.org/dtoprytah/screen522.jpg
Oh finally... time to start stop fooling around with 4ghz and do something real. Kinda surprised you got C11 reporting correctly. ill have to retest, it always showed c12 in cpuz for me. You aren't the only one with c12 4000+ sticks ;)
Nice run I.nfraR.ed
Thanks, just starting to know the right knobs.
What is the highest Pi stable freq you got? I've seen 1900 for CB15, but it seems my CPU is not capable, stops at around 1880.
Having hard time at 1800 with Pi32M though.
PS: I like to play at 4GHz, kind of levels up the field. 5GHz is impossible on conventional cooling, but once I got everything dialed in, I will definitely go full-out. But I like LLC challenges :).
Sorry infra its cuz my resolution is 1920 x 1080 to fit everything in shot.
Ive been at 1800+ with :banana::banana::banana::banana: timings running PI......
My sticks are not binned just store bought.........in fact this dual rank kit was on clearance rack returned thought to be defective lol........
Dual rank 3400 cas is set 17 in bios. :D
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/...pswkammwe0.jpg
Yes, happens to me as well. At some cases doesn't boot at even CAS, but when set in bios at the lower odd value, it boots with the rounded up even value I've just tried before...
lol I'll toss my hat in the ring for the helluvit, but I'm not overclocked any...
Here's my run at fully stock on Balanced Profile with a Scythe Katana 3 heatsink and a frankenstein 92mm Delta from an old HP with an old school Mac Pro tri-blade fan swapped in place of the original 5-blade. Hi-Perf profile yields 9:30, for comparison. Though I'm able to get that down to 9:15 (0h 09m 15.689s Checksum: 32BED6A0)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&d=1491273478
I can confirm it DOES work on other motherboards. just the older ones do not, due to lacking support. The Maximus IX Extreme has the same version as the Crosshair VI Hero:Quote:
Originally Posted by techtrancer
Mem TweakIt v2.02.32
But as Chew said, none of them apply. The only one I've gotten to even stay is DRAM Ref Cycle Time, but according to AIDA's report on Timings (under Tools menu) it isn't really changed. And I don't dare touch anything on the Timings #2 and #3 pages due to absolutely no knowledge of them. (I'm blown away there even are that many that ASUS is supporting! lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqdIJ4jwKRU
https://s29.postimg.org/6cdhrhe3b/826.png
your hardware is strong but my kung-fu is stronger.
I know that need to optimize it further. I had a pause due to another competition and just starting to test Pi on this platform.
Well here is a hint. To get the os going, you have to change your entire mindset. To quote bill and Ted's excellent adventure, knowing is knowing that you know nothing. Forget traditional xp tweaks, gains are minimal and some detremental. You apply a few things at once, you don't have data. Go slow to go fast is my adviceQuote:
Originally Posted by I.nfraR.ed
Or even bakkards ;)
So i guess AMD`s x99 equivalent got semi official now.
From news section:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumak
That would indeed be cool!Quote:
Originally Posted by vario
However, I also can't help but wonder if all that was done was added support based on the speculation? In other words, merely adding in a chip that incorporates twice that of what Ryzen has?
On the flip side, it could be real as I guess one would need to know the hardware ID (CPUID) to detect it in the first place, no?
Interesting either way you slice it :)
And somna bish... I've been recommending the Beta as I assumed, since it's usually thus, that the Beta would've been far newer :S Yet, its version is 5.47 and latest release is 5.50... Whoops. However... I DID lose an Auxiliry Temp reading with v5.50 We'll see if I decide to keep using it or not I guess.
The way these kinda software is written, if they say they added support for something, its real.Same for cpuz and gpuz and most similar software.Quote:
Originally Posted by Formula350
Of course it doesnt mean that its gonna be released as a product you can buy for 100%, but its like 99%.And the way mr Mumak replied in the news section suggests he has real world data from such systems.It just makes me happy :-) . AMD after so much waiting, is getting back in the game BIG TIME.Other leaks suggest that threadripper cpus, are based of a B2 stepping, so thats something to look forward to also.And as they are made from 4 ccx`s, no more 16gb fast memory bottleneck.(which may be resolved either way in B2).
Ok gents.
This proves 2 things.
32gb dual rank is possible
Prime 95 BLEND WORKS!!!! for testing IMC/memory.
if used properly........
Prime blend ticked then ticked custom then set 29gb memory use........
3390 32gb DUAL RANK 17-16-16-34 set in bios stock voltage.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/...psxrxctlig.jpg
Same but over 3400 just for a nice reference point and basically to say STFU you guys are doing it wrong....( those of you that claim it does not work )
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/...pskifzkizj.jpg
Well done chew* on dual rank modules! This is the first I see someone clocking them above 3000MHz! Magic :)
So here's a question for the extreme folks...
Despite being early days with Ryzen and that we're still figuring out the chip, etc. Does anyone know why this might be happening?
Currently I have a fully stock Ryzen 1700X and only thing of note is running DDR4 @ 3200 with 14-15-14-35 1.36V.
If I run 14-15-15 timings, I'm pretty sure this does not happen. However, if set at either 14-14-15 or 14-15-14, when running AIDA64's System Stability Test on ONLY the "Stress Cache", it'll typically FAIL either within a few seconds or a few minutes. If I run it on ONLY the "Stress System Memory", it will run and run and run no problem. If I run it on "Stress CPU" and "Stress FPU" (both toggled), it'll run and run and run. If I run it with all four checked, it will run and run and run. If I go back to JUST the Cache test checked? It fails, runs a little longer, but ultimately fails...
The first red F = initial test on JUST the Cache, which failed (top and bottom chart log at different speeds)
First green ✓ = running just Memory test, I manually stopped it since it was passing.
Second green ✓ = running CPU, FPU, Cache, Memory. I let it run even longer since temp slowly crept to 71C (aka 51C), but canceled it.
The finale red F = once again just running Cache, and while it didn't immediately fail like the first, it failed within 10seconds.
So ultimately my question becomes: Is this common when tightening timings, that the Cache is effected as well, and can become unstable? o_0
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...7&d=1491339931
yes that's IMC/MEMORY failures
That's why I test like this.
Always been like this on AMD.
A happy imc is a happy ocing chip.....
That's good to know that they're related despite seeming unrelated. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by chew*
But... what still confuses me is why it would work just fine when all 4 systems (CPU+FPU+Cache+RAM) are being stressed at the same time, but fail when only Cache is being stressed?
Also then, what's the "fix" for that in terms of Ryzen? More VCore? More CPU-NB? More DIMM Voltage?
There was a considerable jump in performance it seems, at least as far as AIDA's memory benches are concerned, when going from 14-15-15 to 14-15-14. So that might be something to look into on your end, for better Pi scores.
Soc vdimm dram just to name a few....somtimes less volts helps vs more.
chew*, sorry to bother you with a very secondary question: Your Asus B350 Prime only seems to have 3 (4 pin) fan connectors (1 CPU+ 2 CHA), can both types be set with Q-Fan controlling PWM or DC voltage regulation, or there's no DC option for CPU (or even for chassis fans?). A big thanks!
It's alright chew*, I got dis!
Hey, I know someone with that board, let me ask 'em!Quote:
Originally Posted by AlleyViper
Hey chew*! I gots a question for you... lol I kid, I kid!
On a serious note...:P Alley, I downloaded the manual and it says: "2 x Chassis Fan connector (Support DC & PWM mode)"
So all 3 are :up:
Well SoC (CPU-NB) was at default (0.960V) and the DRAM was 1.36V as per G.Skill at 3200 (that's what 1.35V applies on the Titanium). I set the SoC to 1.0275V and that didn't help any, which I know the limit is 1.2V (at least on air), but given the otherwise stable operation I was hoping I didn't need much more. I assume that "VDIMM" then would be DRAM VPP Voltage? Default on that shows 2.5V, but I wouldn't know if to set that higher or lower hehQuote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Thanks, I've also checked the manual but couldn't understand if it's also possible for the CPU header to have DC regulation, as that line seems to confirm only the chassis headers. That's why I've asked.
In the MSI's B350 Tomahawk's manual screenshots it seems possible to use DC both for CPU or chassis, but the Asus doesn't have sub-menus explained.
Try vtt @ 50% vddr
I presume that's the "DRAM Channel VREF Voltage", since that's what shows as being 1/2 of default DRAM Voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
IOW, DRAM Voltage at default is 1.2V, and DRAM Ch VREF V at default is 0.600V
So being I'm running at DRAM V @ 1.36V, I should set VREF V to 0.725V?
What's a tad alarming is the stupid MSI Command Center (which I don't use), shows even 0.610V as being "red", even though it's Max is 1.235V
I only ask, because when I googled what VTT the best example explaining stuff for both Intel and AMD says:
"Termination voltage: This is the voltage that is used to feed the termination logic inside the memory chips. By default, it is set at half of the VDDQ/SSTL voltage (“memory voltage”). This option, if available, will be listed as “Termination Voltage” or “DRAM Termination.” Pay attention, because this voltage with AMD CPUs is called VTT, but with Intel CPUs VTT is the processor’s secondary voltage (see previous page)."
Unfortunately on my Titanium all I have for DRAM voltages is:
DRAM Voltage: Default 1.2V / Mine 1.35V
DRAM VPP Voltage: Default 2.5V / Mine 2.5V
DRAM CH_A VREF Voltage: Default 0.6V / Mine 0.6V
DRAM CH_B VREF Voltage: Default 0.6V / Mine 0.6V
Oh how I miss the days when terminology was much simpler :(
EDIT: Yea, doesn't sound like that is the one I want on my motherboard.
"Reference voltage: The memory reference voltage “configures” both the memory controller and the memory module with the voltage level that separates what is to be considered a “0” or a “1,” i.e., voltages found on the memory bus below the reference voltage are to be considered a “0,” and voltages above this level are to be considered a “1.” By default, this voltage level is half of the SSTL voltage (a.k.a. 0.500x), but some motherboards allow you to change this ratio, usually through options like “DDR_VREF_CA_A,”"
Also I believe earlier I may have mis-spoke on SoC being CPU-NB. I believe CPU-NB they've kept as the IMC label, and the new "CPU 1P8 Voltage" is the SoC, which is, of course, 1.8V heh
EDIT2: For shiz and giggles I dropped the CPU-NB back to default, and dropped the DRAM Voltage to 1.3V. Right off the bat Windows bootloader threw a kernel issue, about not quite sure what. Either way it had the option of Enter to continue and F8 for boot options. So I assumed instability, but whacked Enter anyways. It boots, surprisingly. In windows, no crash yet, more surprisingly. I check it is indeed running at 1.3V (1.296), so I run the Cache stress. It doesn't instant-fail like normal, and actually it managed to last for 2 minutes before failing! That's even at my 14-15-14-35 timings haha
If you weren't already Chewbacca I'd be asking to cut off your legs off at the knees, paint you green, give you some pointy ears, and carry you on my back while I overclock. Then you'd inevitably sigh, and mumble how I'm not teachable, that I'm too old. That's when a whispy-blue Fugger would walk in randomly and say "So was I, if you'll remember". [/end scene] lol (Yea I know that Ben's line I quoted wasn't in response to the "Too old" Yoda comment, don't worry everyone!)
I would suspect that it has DC ability on the main CPU and Pump headers. I only have the MSI X370 Titanium, but all of its fan headers are PWM & DC capable.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlleyViper
Show is not over yet.......the taichi is just full of tricks......
Cas 16 PC 3200 DUAL RANK 2x 16gb
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/...pswazmvzbk.jpg
Chew, your screenshots are barely readable, thats a direct link to one:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/...pswazmvzbk.jpg
They are 2x16GB dual rank samsung B-die modules ?
How can you change the VTT?Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
On AM3+ the VTT is only changeable If the VDDR is @ default
If i use soecial VDDR the VTT is @ 50% of the VDDR of SPD
Did you flash the SPD to change the SPD Voltage & the VTT?
I dunno i can zoom in on my smartphone just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by vario
Yes its b die dual rank 2x16g
Techtrancer you can leave it auto or set it manually on all am4 boards i have used so far.
Thank you for Information
Nice one chew*.
I can't boot at anything lower than CAS18 with 4x8GB at 100bclk and 3200 divider on CH6. Passes memory training, but does not POST.
Getting some strange codes or loop no matter voltages. I guess some issue with secondary/tertiary timings.
But with 2666 divider and bclk overclock this is pretty fine.
https://s30.postimg.org/pe0kx771d/screen525.jpg
PS: I see that you most probably came to the same conclusion as me. Running memtest right now at these settings, will take good 2h for 100% coverage.
Nice i was trying 2400 divider and ref clock to 3400 @ rated 16-16-16. Taichi is not cooperating....yet.
But 3200 is fine and running prime like a champ at 16-16-16 ( sticks rated )
Can you try prime blend like i am blend then custom 29gb allocated? Cpu can be stock memory volts stock(1.35)...20 minutes should pick up immediate instability.
Just want the data till i can hands on 4x8 myself :)
It may be time to open pandoras box....4x dual rank dimms. :eek:
Seeing as i cracked 2x dual rank im bored again. :p:
Or AMD has threatened to make me use ECC memory....challenge accepted. :rofl:
After memtest complete I will try higher than 3200, but 3200 14-14-14-34 1T 1.35V seems pretty fine. Straight boot at these settings.
AMD needs to open subtimings, then 3200 divider should be possible at lower CAS. Kinda s*cks for guys with refclk locked boards at the moment.
PS: Ok, I will try Blend as well using your settings.
The asus prime x370 pro is tuned different. It kicks the ch6 azz @ 3200 divider. I would not count out non ref clock completely.
But it ends there once ch6 goes diff strap bclock...game over.
Oh let me know if over 3400 instafails prime blend if you could. Since these are 3400 rated tough call which is to blame over 3400...imc or ram..