You probably know that you can get the same or probably even better graphics performance with 2133MHz memory and 100MHz lower graphics frequency.
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You probably know that you can get the same or probably even better graphics performance with 2133MHz memory and 100MHz lower graphics frequency.
finally, over 6 GHz :). Im thinking, with higher voltage will be 6.1 GHz ready (at screenshot is some bul:banana::banana::banana::banana: offset), I set it at 1.925V
http://i.imgur.com/MChV9.jpg
Only some Hybrid action Cross-X Asus 6670 + A8-3870K... HD 6550D speed makes no difference in scores, pretty weird.
Gpu-z shows 3 cards, but it's only APU + 1x HD 6670
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/...rr3l/mpc11.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/...rr3l/mpc10.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/...l/3d11top2.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/...r3l/benchs.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/.../prime2189.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/...antagetop2.jpg
nice looking setup!
thanks mate, I`ve just passed your FX SPI 32mb, sorry for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
Saw this in an advertising email from Overclockers today, as i remembered these were recommended here when I was looking at Llano. But at the time no UK source.
Samsung 30nm 8GB kit.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...-017-SA&tool=3
Brought Llano back into my mind. Also brings up another question .. does the 7770 work with hybrid crossfire ?
Sorry if this has already been answered, but how do you overclock the GPU on these things? Can i just use MSI Afterburner? I know GPU clock is controlled by baseclock, so is there a different multiplier for it? Also, is the GPU a separate chip with its own temp under the IHS, or is it on die?
FWIW, system is
A8 3870K APU
Gskill 1600mhz DDR3
Gigabyte A75M-S2V
64GB Kingston SSD
PATA DVD-RW
TIA :)
To overclock the integrated GPU you need to lower the SCLK divider.
GPU clock = MainPLL COF / SCLKDiv.
MainPLL COF = BCLK * 36 (36x = default for A8 APUs).
The default for A8 APUs is 100 * 36 / 6 = 600MHz
Gigabyte boards should be able to adjust the SCLK frequency directly from the bios.
Afterburner or other such programs do not work.
Hello guys
Haven't been around for a while
but I just notice this from my local forum
http://www.hkepc.com/forum/attachmen...583a595e81.jpg
http://www.dcfever.com/media/sharing...39613121_l.jpg
4GHz with locked multipler "Athlon II X4 631" on a MSI Board and on Air
and passed LinX ???? Is that weird ???
It's msi,they have that lab mode options,it's a fake ;)
With the newest betas (1.63 IIRC) you can atleast disable the "lab burst".
In previous versions it was automatically enabled past 133MHz BCLK :rolleyes:
7770 wont work with hybrid crossfire .... 6670 is the maxQuote:
Originally Posted by S1nn3r
But now I got another google search
This is even more weird
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/27...-stock-voltage
Athlon II X4 631 @ 4.8GHz with stock voltage with ASUS F1A75M-PRO ??!?
AthIon II X4 631/641 have locked multipler , only Athlon II X4 651K have unlocked one
But this guy got the 631 with unlocked multipler , it just doesn't make any sense to me ??
Maybe time to buy a Athlon II X4 631 to figure out
Any good suggestion for board? I may go for the same board as that guy try to see :)
That Athlon X4 631 is really working at 3120Mhz (120*26). The multipliers are blocked... It's a very old bug on Fusion, it reports the multiplier set by the BIOS but it is actually working at the fixed max, in this case, 26X.
I don't think Llano will ever get pass the ~3600Mhz wall.
This was my personal best (On Air Cooling only)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andi64
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2175058
http://www.hkepc.com/forum/attachmen...79e3093e27.jpg
3.7GHz Barely bootable
http://www.hkepc.com/forum/attachmen...4b2e1fc58f.jpg
Ive revived my Llano build plans for various reasons but ill get straight to the point for now :)
After much fussing around I have it down to two ways to implement this(or maybe another variation of these 4 components ?) -
1) Athlon X4 651 + Asrock A55 Pro3
This gets get me an overclockable quad core setup with USB 3.0 and SATA 6GBs at a stupidly good price. As the board doesnt have MVP and as im going to be using a discrete card the Athlon makes more sense here then the A8.
2) A8 3870 + Asrock A75 Pro4/MVP
This gets me a performance/quality boost from MVP Features and means I dont waste the IGP. However From what Ive read MVP may get me 10% ish extra performance in supported games and in all games I will benefit from the Virtual Vsync, but I do wonder if its worth the extra £40+ over the first option above for this, and a better motherboard overall ? Although reviews for the A55 Pro3 give a good impression indeed for a £45 board..
The common components for the above setup options are an ATI 6870 and that 8GB Samsung Green kit that everyone is talking about.
I'm really wanting an APU settup for my Server/Bedroom HTPC...
I went to MicroCenter today to grab a 1.5tb Seagate green drive for $79, and they had an A6 X3 3500 (65w/6530 video) combo w/mobo for $100... :shocked:
Plus a $10 rebate on top of that!
http://cart.microcenter.com/cart.asp...icrocenter.com
I'm trying to hold out for Trinity, but this almost made me skip the HD purchase and go for the Llano deal.
I remained strong though... :p:
Anyway, if someone is looking for a Llano settup MC has some pretty good deals going on right now that aren't highly advertised.
Just put the stuff your intested in in a cart to get the discount pricing, the B&M stores should honor it... ;)
Now Im looking around for A4 Llano. For my mom to workplace :)
I have an A6 X3 3500 for my bedroom HTPC, running VMware Worstation with a SQL Server and a vCenter 5.0 server. It has 8GB DDR3-2133@2000Mhz and I have it overclocked to 3200Mhz. I must say, it's working perfectly since the first day, and it's the more efficient server in my house (I also have an X3 and an i3).Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
I don't really need to, but I was planning on upgrading it to Trinity when it comes out. But for HTPC and some server stuff, this X3 even at stock speed is a perfect solution, and the price is excellent.
Since there are people in this thread who hopefully realy know what Llano is capable of, i kinda need some closure as it were on this plan, once and for all.Quote:
Originally Posted by S1nn3r
As I will be using a discrete card that cant be crossfired with the IGP on the Ax Llanos would the FM1 Athlon IIs represent good value and relative performance improvements over a core 2duo E6600 This is assuming a Athlon X4 651 overclocked with the samsung green also pushed as high as I can get it. Or should I finally drop this whole FM1 thing once and for all ?
S1nn3r,
Even though I have done exactly what you are planning to do already, it doesn't make much sense really. Take it from our experiences, but the BEST you will possibly do with any unlocked LLano or Athlon II derivative is about 3.6GHz stable on air. That is about slightly worse (-5%) performance, than a STOCK PHENOM II 975. Most of the hyped up LLano CPU-Z shots are either from a bios bug or the MSI Boost Mode crap and are not real. The only way you are hitting higher than 3.8-4GHz is on water/subzero/coldair for bench runs. LLanos don't OC well at all, nor were they ever meant to be a high end performance platform.
The only thing you gain from running a Llano without graphics is novelty.... I ran my 3670k with a GTX480 for :banana::banana::banana::banana:s and giggles, but obviously I would have gotten less bottleneck with a Phenom II or Intel setup. If you are on the cheapest budget imaginable, even a Celeron G530 Sandy + h55 board will blow away a 3.6GHz Llano in gaming scenarios. That setup can be bought in the US for about $80.
FM1 is EOL. There are far better options out there for what it is you are trying to do. LLano desktop is a valid route for everyday use + light gaming or HTPC duty, but are not for a performance platform. Best you are going to get is Phenom II - 975 stock level performance.... trust me
AM3+ probably makes more sense at this stage but what has clouded the issue is im finding it a little easier to find a well priced full ATX FM1 board with a nice layout (for dual slot video cards without blocking SATA etc) and SATA 3/USB 3.0 then it is a full ATX 760/970 AM3+ budget board with the same. Wish FM1 wasnt EOL and OCed a little better, then it would be a perfect low budget no brainer platform..Quote:
Originally Posted by Miwo
And dont get me started on trying to find the same on the budget intel side of things.. its all mATX over there for budget which is a pain in the ass. Also since I managed to get that Samsung Green for a good price getting a G840 set up would waste it and that would make me sad.
*Budget = around £50
My AM3+ situation is over here - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...oard-for-Dozer
Your pricing must be frustrating, as all EU customers usually end up getting screwed in pricing/deals etc :( Can't really relate being in the US
Also, i don't think the 970 chipset supports crossfire. It will have to be at least a 990X chipset (8x8 lanes) for AM3+ crossfire.... but i may be wrong.
I dont need crossfire, single card is just fine for me. also re: FM1 athlon ii performance, I think id be ok with the performance offered at the price, but from what you are saying it may well be a pain to get a FM1 based set up overclocked and tweaked to max it out(and therefore make FM1 worth while) as it were ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Miwo
And yes, being in the UK/EU does suck for prices/deals heh.
FM1 is easy to max out with the 'K' chips. You will not have to deal with Llano quirks... like USB/Motherboard components dropping out, trying to make sure PCI-E bus is locked at 100MHz, having to run SATA devices in IDE mode instead of AHCI... etc. You will run into all of these issues with an Athlon II x4 FM1 if it is a locked chip once you start bumping up the BCLK. There is so little info out there on the x4 651 I dont know if its locked or unlocked. Running SATA in IDE mode means having no TRIM capability on SSDs, and slower disk performance overall (you lose NCQ, etc). Losing all of that stuff, just to get Phenom II x4 level performance at BEST... is not worth it just so you can run discrete card with a cheap FM1 quad.
idk, I still cant see how FM1 is that much cheaper than a 970 board + Phenom II. The latter is a much better choice, OC-wise, and future wise. At least you have a shot of upgrading to Vishera if it turns out better than Phenom II. If you dont have issues with used components and are really strapped for cash like you sound like, try Ebay or the XS FS/FT forums, may catch a good used AM3+ deal. Lots of people dumping their AMD rigs for Intel these days...
Thanks for the confirmation on the A6 X3 3500 Andi64... :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andi64
I've been thinking about this for a week now and decided I'm going to go ahead and go for it...
Pretty sure I can take the parts from the old rig and sell it on Craigslist (maybe even make a few bucks.) :D
It'll be an MSI 785g board, X2 550 with 4Gb of 1333 CL9, and a 640Gb PATA drive, well worth $200 IMHO...
Here's my new cart:
http://cart.microcenter.com/cart.asp...icrocenter.com
I'm going to go for power efficency since this rig is on 24/7, so I added the 80+ Corsair PSU and the LoVo Samsung mem which I know will (at least) do 1600 9-9-9 @ 1.35. ;)
Hopefully it'll be a nice upgrade for me, and a decent deal for someone who's looking for a cheap rig...
Should be a win/win situation for Mom/Joe six pack...
Dell be damned! :rofl:
So Amazon.co.uk currently has the 3670K for £65 and that's without the £10 cash back(Im not sure if that Amazon price is with or without the cashback, looks to good to be true you see) and Asrock A55 PRO3 is around £45.
So thats an overclockable quad core with a motherboard with USB3 and SATA 3 for around £100. With of course the caveats of FM1 being a dead platform and reliance on overlocking the crap out of the 3670K to make it realy worth while. On the other hand this - Miwo: "the BEST you will possibly do with any unlocked LLano or Athlon II derivative is about 3.6GHz stable on air. That is about slightly worse (-5%) performance, than a STOCK PHENOM II 975" Id be happy with that level of performance for around £100 I think.
Its tempting to do this just to see how far I can push the whole value for money thing. Even though AM3 make more sense. And yes, i cant seem to shake Llano outa my head for some reason.
I've had that same feeling, and with the prices so low I broke down and bought the above configuration... :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by S1nn3r
Have to say I'm pretty impressed with this little low power Llano X3 (for my purposes).
Guess I was expecting it to be sluggish, but for an HTPC/Server settup it's pretty snappy!
Plus the video quality and performance is MUCH better than the old system...
For a gaming rig I'm sure the AM3+ settup would be the better option, but this was DEFINETLY an upgrade for the server
from the X2 550/785g configuration I was using before. Plus it saves me about 30w when idle... :D
I'm using A6-3650 (2.6GHz/320shaders) in my HTPC for some time now. In XP MCE I originally had on my box you had to turn off C'n'Q to comfortably watch x264 movies due to independent core clocking and processes jumping between unloaded 800MHz cores.
My Vista Business install solves this problem completely and power efficiency is just great for HTPC box with everything I need from my living room box, including causal gaming on pad. Most console ports work well even in 1080p at the console quality (Medium on PC).
Now to OC bit!
Dead main rig board forced me to temporarily use my HTPC as main ring so I've putted HD6970 into it and started OCing.
Because I have cheap Gigabyte A55M-S2H board I wasn't expecting miracles, but I was pleased with stable 140MHz base clock (AHCI). Memory clocks really well and hitting over 1950MHz with 9-9-9 timings and 1.5V from my Vengeance 1833 9-10-9 sticks was effortless.
Sweet spot I settled for: 137MHz base, 1830MHz mem (1333 div) giving me 3200MHz @1.3V. Power efficient and quick enough for BF3 at Ultra 1920x1200 (HD6970).
Pushing it higher didn't make sense with voltages required to hit 3.4GHz stable from my POV and HTPC being on small AIR cooler.
Great little platform and flexible enough to replace my main rig when needed!
Now AMD bring me FM2 I really was waiting for!
Just my 2c
Interesting.. did you try BF3 Muliplayer on that setup ? seeing as its a fair bit more CPU intensive then Singleplayer would be interested to know how well the lil llano with a discrete card coped with that on Ultra.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
Multiplayer only :)Quote:
Originally Posted by S1nn3r
64 players maps mostly work great! I mean it is slower than my old X6 1090T or current i5 2500 but not to a degree I would have to turn down settings. There are moments it gets CPU limited but it happens only for a fraction of a second so it doesn't change overlay experience too much (sufficient to say yesterday and Friday I had 2 MVP1 and 2 MVP3 withing 2 hour session of Hardcore gameplay). What is important though is 8GB of RAM for this game as when playing on my HTPC 4GB config I had terrible HDD swapping on fresh Vista install. Maybe W7 is better in that regard ...
If you want I can make short YT video of gamplay using my mobile.
Video would be interesting to see if you can get decant quality video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
My current CPU is a Core2Duo E6600 , barely playable in MP on Low preset, so anything that can get me playable at at least Medium Setting CPU wise is an improvement so this is interesting to hear indeed. I have a 6870 for the new build that should do the job GPU wise Ive just been horribly deadlocked as to what to do about CPU/Motherboard.
Quote:
Originally Posted by S1nn3r
Here they are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75P29nbqp8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGGo0GaZ0S4
Hope this helps a bit.
So i did a thing ..
Bought the A6 3670K from Amazon, £56 with the cashback just to good a price to pass up for a quad core cpu with the performance offered after over clocking.
Also bought an Asrock A75 PRO4/MVP, Nice looking board and Asrock's A75 boards are pretty well regarded(least that's the impression I get from the limited reviews ive read) with Lucid MVP as well so the on-board GPU on the 3670K isnt totally wasted even if its just for virtual vsync or something. Was going to get the A55 Pro3 but I figure I should spend extra and get native SATA3/USB3 to avoid any issues with third party controller drivers.
Need a recommendation for a cooler, one that uses the standard AMD clip fitting for ease of installation and is around £15-£20,is quiet and can handle the OC of the A6.
Am actually struggling with this much more then Id like so could really do with some suggestions, also to add a bit more information my my case has a max cooler height of 165mm. Also by ease of installation I mean pretty much impossible for something to go wrong as my last CPU cooler install was a nightmare that I do not want to repeat so this part is very important.Quote:
Originally Posted by S1nn3r
I would go for something reasonably big as 125W heatpipe AMD boxed cooler from Athlon X2 6000+ is noisy with OCed Llano under full load.Quote:
Originally Posted by S1nn3r
Check them for instance:
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/arcti...d-939-am2-am2p
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/coole...m3-am2plus-am2
http://www.dabs.com/products/arctic-...46720-11&src=3
http://www.dabs.com/products/arctic-...46720-11&src=3
Can't say which will work best for you, but all of them should be much more efficient and quieter than AMD Box cooler. Have fun with your new build and don't forget to let us know how it turned out!
any of those 4 will smoke the stock Heatsink like a Cigarette so cant realy go wrong :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
Am wondering what the differences are between AC Freezer 64 Pro and the AC Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 are besides the mounting. The 64 Pro is the better choice in terms of airflow with being able to be mounted so it exhausts out the rear of case on AM3/FM1 whereas the Freezer 7 Pro can not, and my case does not have top exhaust. Also with these being rather more budget coolers how should I expect them to handle an overclocked A6 3670k ?
AC Freezer 7 coolers are pretty good and really best bang for your pound. If you think of getting day to day 3.5-3.6GHz overclock with 1.5V then you probably should look to invest in better cooler like Freezer 13 or better. If you want 3.3-3.5GHz with 1.45V AC F7Pro should do the job quite well.Quote:
Originally Posted by S1nn3r
BTW from Freezer 13 description:
Utilizing a 92 mm PWM fan spinning up to 2,000 RPM, the Freezer 13 CO brings maximum cooling capacity of 200 Watts
That's plenty for Llano!
I see, what about the Freezer 7 Pro R2 vs Freezer 64 Pro issue ? as like I said my case for this build has no top exhaust so the Freezer 7 Pro would be exhausting into the case and not out the back of it because of the mounting setup. F64Pro doesn't have this issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
Hi all,
It seems some of you really know your llano overclocking, and I've got an oc issue that has me stumped.
Built a small form factor pc for mild gaming/internet browsing spet 2011. I tried to overclock it back then, but I ran into the same issue I am now, which is that at ANY extra base clock, tf2 starts to crash. I can usually get it stable for IBT, OCCT cpu test, 3dmark11, but the furmark/occt gpu tests will fail after short periods of time (<2 min).
System build:
Asrock A75m-ITX
a8-3850
G.skill 1866 1.5v 2x4gb
Scythe Big shuriken 2 rev b with a gelid 120x25mm fan for more better airflow vs slim scythe
InWin Case, seasonic 300w replacement PS. Fan crapped out in stock one.
Not going for any big oc numbers, just basically trying to get a little extra boost in performance. I was playing around the 104-110 mark, but if i can go more with a lower multi and get more GPU frequency I'd be ok with that... :D
CPU does maximum IBT @ stock frequency load at 1.2 volts, 3.4 passed at 1.3v
Northbridge seems to like lower volts ? I had 3dmark crash at 900mhz/1.2 volts but passed with 900/1.00. Still crashes in tf2 <5 min when oc'd.
Board does 100-136 base clock, 1866 max ram setting (9.33 x base?), NB/GPU volts (although HW only ever shows 1.113v gpu) ram volts, APU PCIe VDDP volts (1.21), and SB volts.
I have tried going up volts, down volts, up frequencies, down frequencies, tested each one by itself, and whenever I go to play, I get a hard crash.
Test programs:
MemTest
IntelBurnTest
OCCT 4.3 ?
Furmark
Prime95
3dmark11
3dmarkVantage
CPUZ/GPUZ
Hoping someone here can shed some light on this,
Yeroon
@ 136MHz BCLK your SCLK (GPU) is working at 816MHz.
Even the bios might allow GPU overclocking on all APUs, the non "K" parts are locked.
Which means the CPU multiplier cannot be raised from the P0 value and the SCLK divider cannot be lowered.
The SCLK appears to be changing, however the the lower dividers (higher CLK) than stock are ignored.
You might want to try if the TF2 still crashes while the DRAM is in single channel mode.
You will lose roughly 50% of the FPS, however it will tell if the trouble is DRAM/IMC related.
If it is, you can probably fix it by disabling the bank interleaving (not sure if it is available in bios by default).
Also is your HDD running in AHCI mode?
I get bank interleaving and channel interleaving i think. I know theres 2 different ones. I'll have to check and try that out.
HD is in IDE mode, I can bclk to 136 (dropped multi of course) and everything runs fine but TF2. I will let you know how the mem interleaving/single channel go.
Thanks!
Yeroon
Still really struggling to work out what to do about CPU cooler. With how badly this particular part went installation wise last build(so bad it put me off building for 2 years) I am rather confused as to what to do here. I want something simple to install and can be mounted in the correct orientation for exhausting out the rear of case on AM3/FM1 and be able to handle the OCed A6 and not sound like a leaf blower in the process. Have been looking at the Arctic Freezer 64 Pro, and Coolermaster TX3..
Oh and here is what I actually have ether in hand on on the way so far -
Have received -
Mem - 8GB Samsung 30nm
MB - Asrock A75 Pro4/MVP
GPU - XFX 6870 DD Cooling
PSU - 530w Bequiet Purepower L7
Case -Bitfenix Merc
Optical - Pioneer S19LBK
Waiting on delivery -
CPU - A6 3670K
To be decided -
CPU Cooler
Storage(SSD/HD)
Channel interleaving off seems to cure the crashing when overclocked. Problem is, it sucks like that....
Check out the zalmann coolers with the AMD hold down clip. Most of their cpu coolers with the round nub in the middle of the cpu block should accept it. Some come stock with it in previous versions. The 9900 NT used to come with it, its not factory AMD simple but its close. It still uses the clip brackets it just uses a manual tab instead of the cam lock.
http://www.zalman.com/images/productinfo/10X_img13.jpg
http://www.zalman.com/ENG/product/Pr...ad.asp?idx=373
FWIW Man, Llanos don't really run all that hot...Quote:
Originally Posted by S1nn3r
I'm running that A6 3500 OC'd with a stock 965 (heat pipe) box cooler and have no temp problems at all (~43c load while blending).
Granted, my OC is pretty mild (HTRef @ 112/Turbo @ 26x), but compared to the FX chips power draw/heat is easily managable... :yepp:
BTW: The VID on my chip was set really high (1.425), it runs just fine with a .10 undervolt even OC'd.
Seems to be a common thing with Llano... Not sure why they set the VID's so high. :shrug:
I know your wanting to push pretty hard. Just wanted you to know they're not "heaters" like the FX chips...
Also not sure why your so intent on finding something that will blow toward the rear case fan (as long as your case breathes OK).
This is way outside your price range, but these are nice coolers, they look good, mount easily and have the added advantage of blowing air down onto your Mem & PWM sections.
Fan speed is also controlled by the mobo so they run really quiet under normal use and don't make all that much noise under full load.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835233025
I'm not saying this IS the cooler you want...
Just think you may be sweating it all a little too much. ;)
Dave,
I like the one you mentioned, but I use this with my Liano setups (Media Center PCs) ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835220033 )
I didn't over clock them so didn't even need a fan on the Heat sink. I use this case ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811204035 ) and the things run very quite and never over heat!
That case looks sweet Jay! :up:
My HTPC case is a little older and cost quite a bit more (Thernaltake DH 101):
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/produc.../vf7000bns.asp
It's served me well and I like it, but I'll keep that one in mind! :yepp:
Back OT though, the fact that you can run your Llano stock with a fanless cooler kinda proves my point that they're not heaters like the FX chips... :D
Maybe I'm bored (likely!), but the 3500 is a fun chip to play with, performs pretty darn good, and the prices are so cheap now I'm thinking about going back and buying a 3870/Mobo combo for $150 just to torture it... :devil:
3670K came today from Amazon, no none mentioned how little and cute the box these come in is :) smallest retail CPU/Cooler box ive ever had anyway. Also ordered the final 3 items on the list ..
Cooler: Coolermaster TX3 Evo
Storage:
OS - 120GB Sandisk Extreme SSD SATA3
Media - 500GB Western Digital Caviar Green SATA3
I have some other things to sort out before I can start build in addition to waiting for the above to arrive but all being well should have this thing up and running by end of next week.
Total including all shipping for this build is £574.64 .. which I think is pretty damn good for what I have crammed into it, 8GB RAM,OCable Quad Core,SATA3,USB3,fast SATA3 SSD and with all good quality components. Though we shall see once its built if this low budget gamble will pay off, this is the least ive ever spent on a new build by about £1000 or more.
Any of you getting better results overclocking with higher freq ram (2133 vs 1866 @ 1.5v)? I tried running my ram at lower speeds (1600 and 1333 times whatever the base increase) and 1.5v w/ channel interleaving on and even with loose timings it wont support overclocks in tf2. Considering stepping up to 2133 ram if it'll help me get even a decent overclock with better timings. I thought I had a good 112 with loose timings at 1792 and passed 3dmark11 at 1262 points played tf2 1h+, booted to next day and couldn't finish the test/play tf2 longer then 5min. No changes.
Also, what freq are your NB's set at while being stable? My limits change based on mem speeds but at 1866 settings I get 900 as highest setting, 800 at 1600 and I don't remember the 1333 limit, but 720 is default for 1866/1600 with 1.2/1.1125v respectfully, and 654-1.1125v for 1333. Scores goes up down with this, but games still crash with lower settings.
I figure 2133 should also transfer over to a trinity build in the future if this fails to be good enough down the road. I find the overclocking fun but when it all ends up being fruitless and back at base clock and loose timings just to play tf2, it gets frustrating.
Well I had a post saying i found a solution, but then it seemed like I had a double post, so I deleted it, only to see it wasn't. Awesome.
Anyways, stumbled across Asrock's tuning program helping out my crashing issue. If I open AXTU, my comp is actually decently stable, in both tf2 and 3dmark11. Same bios settings, but without opening it, I fail before the first 3dmark test finishes loading. Open, I finish the test if everything is good. No clue why, but it works. It ain't magic, I know, but now its just normal overclocking "work". Got my best test score to date, 1453 at 132. Hoping to breaking 1500 with the new ram. tf2 had some playing issues at 132 but I think my NB was too low volts, fixed a similar issue at a lower clock later on.
I'm just glad to be able to play crash free, at least more then before, and I can make headway when it does. Right now at 3.49Ghz and 1.375 cpu volts to make it 3dmark11 stable, its using 150w at the wall, doing boinc science 4 cores @100%. It did this fine at 1.325v, but bugged out the physics test/combined.
I'll keep you guys updated if you want. I use the watt meter as a good oc tool, real easy to see when its not going to boot, verify crashes, etc.
Yeroon
Once more baby..
This was my final run on Llano, and now it is time to say goodbye :(
As my Asus board is beyond repair I had to fix the (also previously broken :D) Gigabyte for this run.
Replaced the burned VDDP controller + a resistor and it was good to go.
Unfortunately Gigabyte boards set the NCLK divider quite high and the lack of adjustment will be seen as a major performance hit.
Also the DRAM does not overclock as high as on Asus boards, so the memory bandwidth and IMC were heavily oversaturated during the run. In addition the buck controller on GB has a tendency to lock in fixed voltage mode eventhou it should always operate in offset mode.
After maxing the offset to +300mV I could not set the GNB VDD any higher than 1.325V, which most likely limited the clocks heavily.
I have run the chip at the same voltage on air cooling, 970MHz was not a problem.
Anyway a 100% overclock for a second gen. IGP is reasonable in my opinion :confused:
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Reasonable is not the kind of word I would use ;)
Now where is your Trinity to torture?
So everything has now arrived, but due to some issues there is gonna be a little delay before I can start build and get in (late) on the Llano fun finally.
One of the issues perhaps someone here can help advise me on, im "retooling" as my existing screwdrivers are not in ideal condition. Trying to find a nice driver and extension(for getting to motherboard screws) without magnetic grip for the bits is a huge pain. But im wary of such things near HDD's and the like. As long as the bit itself isnt magnetic does it matter if the grip for the bits is would anyone say ?
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Here you go:Quote:
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That was funny! :DQuote:
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Thanks for getting my hopes high!
nice Piledriver avatar.. ;)
Well,
I'm done with my over clock. Took me 2 days with most of my spare time trying, but I hit my goal. :) Then I did one better.
Hope this isn't too big.
Yeroon
EDIT: dropped my cpu multi since I wasn't planning on running that high anyways, down to 3.43ghz at 1.335v, and tried th mem back at 11-13-11 since it did that at 134 bus, and got the same 1517 score! Very happy with that.
nice results. I get P1405 with my 3670k running at 3.4 / 960Mhz and 1866MHz DDR3
Quite amazing what these fusion chips can do. I play Tribes Ascend regularly at 720p Medium details. Max Payne 3 is also quite playable with IGP, maintain over 30fps at 720p in crazy Multiplayer matches.
We've only seen stock Trinity benchmarks, but Im a bit skeptical on how much it will be really better vs a similarly clocked Llano IGP. Power Consumption-wise, it should be a nobrainer but at stock, the A10-5800k's IGP is 33% faster than a stock A8-3870k GPU. 800MHz IGP on Llano is pretty easy to obtain and it seems to cap out around 900-1GHz on conventional cooling. Trinity OC headroom has yet to be seen though.
I've finally finished the rebuild of my HTPC/Server rig using the Llano 3500 I mentioned earlier...
I'm really impressed with the power consumtion compared to the X2 550/785G rig it replaced!
Performance wise it seems better too (for my use), especially video performance.
Alot of the gear is the same, but I was going for power efficiency since this machine runs 24/7/365.
Keep in mind this rig was built to be low power, not a hot rod (although I did OC a little)...
All in all, I'm only into it for ~$170, and I'm confident it was money well spent! :yepp:
Anyway, heres the gear used:
CPU: Llano A6 3500
Mobo: GBT A75-D2H (combo deal @ MicroCenter for $90)
Mem: Samsung 2x4gb lovo kit 1600 CL11 , running ~1800 9-9-9 @ stock voltage ($45 @ MC)
PSU: Antec Neo Eco 400w (NewEgg deal $30)
SSD: 128Gb OCZ Vertex (old gear/OS drive)
HD's: 3x 1.5tb Seagate green drives (4.5tb total/old gear)
Video: Haupagge dual tuner card (old gear)
NIC: Wireless D-Link N-Extreme (old)
Opti: DVD Lightscribe re-writeable (old)
Phone: Magic-Jack (old)
Considering whats under the hood you have to admit these power numbers are pretty impressive!
Idle:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...0_Neo_Idle.png
Load (Prime Blend):
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...0_Neo_Load.png
Here's some shot's showing the mild OC (Undervolted by .10v ;)):
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...0712_prime.png
Turbo Mode OC:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...0712_Turbo.png
The OC isn't impressive, but it's been VERY stable and theres no exotic cooling involved (just the box cooler from a 965):
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...t/DSCN0648.jpg
Sorry if I'm rambling... I'm just pretty happy with this upgrade! :yepp:
Nice dave, could you tell what kind of ICs are on those?
If they are the new 30nm Samsung stuff they will probably do 2133+ CL10 :)
Thanks Beep... It's the low profile stuff, pretty sure they're 30nm, heres a pic:Quote:
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Since it's an APU and video is sharing the sys mem do you really think looser timings/higher clocks would be helpful?
Before I even messed with the base clock I set the mem @ 1866 9-9-9 and the machine wouldn't post... :(
I'm really trying to tune this for power efficiency so I'd like to leave the mem @ 1.35v.
That being said, if I can squeeze a little more out of it and stay in the same power envelope I'm game... :D
On APUs: Forget the timings and raise the MEMCLK as high as you can.
The tighter timings certainly would not hurt, but Samsung is generally HLHC (high-latency, high-clock) stuff.
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I really did'nt intend to OC this rig, but I just can't help myself. :cool:
I'm sure theres more on these Samsungs, and I trust your opinions!
I'll work on memclocks a little more, 2k @ 9-9-9 is looking good for now though... ;)
I'm trying to find a nice balance, the fact that clocks help more than timnings on an APU is good info!
Thanks Bro... :up:
As Stilt said go for mem clock even if it will mean CL10 or CL11 as long as it gives you reasonably higher effective clock.
I like your idle power with all them toys in HTPC :)
My currently idles around 95W but that is because it temporarily serves as my main rig so it's overclocked with C'n'Q disabled and HD6970 in it! Still miles better than my old overclocked 1090T which idled at around 170W!
When I get back my main rig I will retest idle consumption on it. I expect around 55W with my PSU (380W Seasonic S12-II) and APU.
EDIT: It turns out my HTPC takes 40W at idle :) I'm pleasantly surprised, as it is A6-3650 100W chip.
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May have noticed a lack of posting in this thread after I received all the parts for the Llano build and my creation of the Socket 939 thread, these are related.
I have not done any building/OC for 5 years, and I feel kinda out of practice and also the last build I attempted in that timeframe ended up being a nightmare(bit of an long story this one, maybe another time/thread heh) that I had to abandon for all sorts of reasons and this kicked my ass confidence wise so im using the "Revenge of S939" build as a low risk practice/warm up as it were to get me back in the groove.
Nice efficiency Lightman... :up:Quote:
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I tweaked my power profile to shut down the drives after 15mins and got down around the 40w range too (without ill effects).
As for my Samsungs, I must not have a strong kit (week 1220), after alot of tweaking the best I could get out of them on that rig was ~2090 10-10-10.
Even that required a voltaage bump to 1.4v to eliminate some random screen sparkle after sitting for a few hours...
To be fair though, the locked Llano limits my OC headroom because of the HTRef Clock and max 1866 divider.
I'm still pretty impressed with the power/performance level of Llano compared to FX though! :yepp:
After playing with this chip and seeing your results with the 3650, I really wish I would have spent a little more and gone for an unlocked version.
From my light testing (and your results) I'm pretty sure I could have had low power with more ballz... :D
I'm still switching gear around, the sammys aren't all that impressive in the main rig either though!
Even @ 11-11-11/1.60v they crapped out ~2250... :shakes:
C'mon AMD... I'm jonesing for some new gear.
Be it, FX-8350 or 5800K, I need some new toys!
I've never considered it before, so don't make me go to the Dark Side... :rolleyes:
both CPU for me. 5800K and FX-8350 :).
the 3670k is on sale at tigerdirect for $75
Any of you guys manage to get high overclocks in ahci/raid mode? Picked up an ssd/ installed a raid 0 hdd setup, but i'm stuck at 104 in raid mode. I lose the raid drive at startup at 105, and the ssd gets lost at 108 in either raid/ahci.
After getting my mem up to 2550, its quite disappointing to have it limited to 1940 because i can't up my baseclock higher. I tried it at 133-136, doesn't fix it. Asrock m-itx board. If theres a fix, awesome. Also,if theres a m-itx board that the dividers kick in properly that works too, I'm planning on upgrading to trinity, can "fix" it that way in the future. It seems like a waste to have 2400+ capable ram with a igpu stuck <2000.
Yeroon
104 is rather awful, but there is no way to get high bclk with AHCI or RAID.
Have you tried lower cpu volts? I got to 3.7 off of 1.425 bios/1.45 peak loaded to do 3dmark06. Otherwise, looks good. You got a build listed i missed?
Yeroon
Managed to use the 939 build enough to get in the groove, tomorrow is Go Time for assembly of the Llano build all being well.Quote:
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Noob like question though. Ive been out of things build/OC wise for a good long while so what would be a good set of utility's for CPU and Memory performance/stress/stability testing these days ?
Case turned out to be faulty, awaiting replacement then I can finally finish this thing :DQuote:
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Not seeing much happening in this thread lately, everyone abandoned Llano or something ? am i really that late to the party ..
So the case situation got really stupid real quick, two faulty cases received in a row, the original and the replacement. Have spent the last 2 weeks trying to figure out a plan B case wise.Quote:
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Also I figure most here have moved on a while ago from Llano and from the looks of it stopped reading the thread altogether which makes me wonder what im going do if I need further input on Llano specific stuff. This thread and links from it being the best source I have found.
Nah, I'm sure that when you post, the guys who've done llano can still help. But case being faulty twice? How is a case faulty?
Yeroon
That really is too bad s1nner. sorry you must have the worst of luck...
If its not too late, i would just return the cpu/mobo you got from AMazon. Like I said 3 months ago, it made zero sense to buy into FM1 right at the end of its life
I think Asrock's MVP was one of the later FM1 boards so i dont know if there are any besides you that actually have that board. Still the general tips and quirks probably still apply. Sticking with multiplier ocing on a K chip is about as easy as it gets. Avoid bclk ocing so it doesn't break AHCI... which you actually do want if you are running a daily build with a half-modern SSD. Llano doesn't get that hot until you start pushing volts.
My LLano @ 3.5GHz has been my daily gaming rig for about 9 months now. Pretty fun to mess around with, but its time for trinity in less than 2 weeks!
First case had a distorted side panel, its replacement had one of the tabs broken to hold on the bezel. Decided that the two strikes and you are out rule should be applied so am looking at other case options and getting refund from Amazon.
I have had bad luck with this build and hilariously bad timing to.Quote:
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To late to return, so im gonna stick with the 3670k/Asrock FM75 Pro4 MVP and get all I can out of it and hop on board the Trinity train beginning of next year. I really should have just gone into Llano/FM1 like my gut told me to late last year, but I went around in circles for months.. and months.
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Llano run from a recent AMD GamExperience event (in Paris):
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I think it can go faster. This was the score after just a few tries and then I ran out of time.
Nice Macci! Congr. to WR with HD6550D :-) . Did u tested Trinity too?
Very nice macci! What ram is this?
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May have noticed my lack of posting updates again.
This is because I did actually decide on a case finally a few weeks ago.. Decided to step up to an Fractal Design R4 to maybe avoid build quality issues and I went for White to colour wise for something a bit different.
I bet you all cant guess what happened next ? .. yep case problems again. Side panel on motherboard component side was ridiculously difficult to remove and impossible to refit properly as it was way to tight a fit. So it was RMA time once again. Retailer has sent out a replacement after a delay due to some confusion on their end so there is that. So fingers crossed the replacement arrives and all is well.
This build has been the build from hell and I haven't even gotten to power up anything yet.. what must be 3 months after receiving the first component so if there are any more issues requiring returns of major items (motherboard,cpu,memory)then I give up and am getting a pre-built thing or going notebook.
On the other hand, if all is well and this lil Lano is as much of a champ as id figured it was when working out this build.. ill be very happy indeed, and may hug the damn thing.