correct vid for 2600k
correct d-ram voltage for corsair 8gb 1.5v kit whe is enabled xmp profile
faster boot
faster bios response on setting
minus v-droop
blck is set to 100.03 (older bios 99.80)
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correct vid for 2600k
correct d-ram voltage for corsair 8gb 1.5v kit whe is enabled xmp profile
faster boot
faster bios response on setting
minus v-droop
blck is set to 100.03 (older bios 99.80)
Any word on the cold boot issues the B2 boards had?
Is it fixed with the B3 rev.?
I have mine running for over 1 month now, and after the first major issues I had with the board, it seems to run ok now for the past 2 weeks.
Very rarely, I get this booting issue, where it hangs when trying to detect the IDE drives, but other than that, it runs fine now.
If the new B3 rev. seem to be a lot better and most issues are fixed with it, I might swap mine out for a new one.
I will buy another board sometime later to change another rig I have running, but I'm not sure if I'll spend this kind of money for a UD4 (which is way overpriced, IMO).
i have a strange mind you know?
http://www.pctunerup.com/up//results...45_Cattura.PNG
happy now?
Exchanged my UD7 for an UD4 B3 yesterday, the UD7 was a bit overkill for my use.
at this moment my I7 2600k is running at 4500mhz Bios all AUTO.
went up to 4900 will cpu voltage set at 1.420 volt remaining bios settings AUTO.
my Corsair Dominators GT 2133 mhz 1.66 volt have a setting of 9 - 10 - 9 - 24
would appreaciate some feedback how the fine tune the memory to faster settings and still remain stable.
I'm not a Die hard overclocker, 4500mhz Cpu suits me Fine / but believe it should be able to fine the memory
modules a bit. (having totally no experience / advise is appreciated)
i changed my ud4 with asus deluxe. gigabyte was fail.
Hiya,
My UD4-B3 (along with a 2600K and a Kingston KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX kit) is arriving next Wednesday.
I've read several threads about this board and now I'm a bit worried since lots of people seem to have issues with the UD4/UD4-B3. I'm not sure whether I've made a good decision about the mobo.
Please reassure me that I've not made a bit of a blunder by opting for this board. :)
Thanks,
UD4 B3 is fine. Several people are very happy with it.
B2's of both UD4 and Ud5 were problematic (cold boot problems, LLC1 on UD5 B2 overshot, etc)
Some very happy people with that board (Andrea seems to like the F3B bios, and said LLC vdroop was improved).
I tested f3c in UD5 (not ud4) B3, and the bios is definitely a bit faster and seems to boot slightly faster than f1 (bclk is still 99.80 default though).
Do the b3 boards ship with pll overvoltage in bios defualt bios such as ud7 b3's. to avoid cold boot issues that plagued all of the beta bios with with ud4 b2's?
Do the b3 bios still just on or off for llc?
Basically, the grass isn't greener on the other side.
There are just as many people switching to Gigabyte as switching to Asus. The freeze at idle was driving asus users crazy, and I only saw one GB user who was freezing at idle at stock, and we were trying to troubleshoot it.
Another asus B3 user just had the first PCIE slot completely die, after a few days of use. Asus DID fix the cold boot problems MUCH sooner than GB, though. Although I'm happy with the progress GB has made; I flashed f3c on my B3 UD5, used the clear cmos button after power off, and the board didn't even double post at all. I was quite impressed. It does shut off after certain bios option changes, but I think all the boards do that.
I will say that the boot looping on the GB boards was the most annoying issue ever. That probably drove more people away than the asus idle BSOD's.
If someone gets a defective board, jumping ship may or may not help.
please see my superpi 32m test
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...nko/pitest.png
You're using "wrong" spi app. Use 1.5xs mod spi app.
new run superpi 1.5 mod
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...penko/p115.png
Got the UD3P board today but going to get the UD4-B3. Just because i want to have the CF opportunity and angled sata ports.
Guys be careful when enabling LLC at higher voltages on UD4-B3. The board is overvolting, not undervolting.
Tested with values above 1.58v.
LLC Enabled
Set in BIOS - DMM Idle - DMM Load
1.580v - 1.590v - 1.599v
1.590v - 1.600v - 1.612v
1.600v - 1.610v - 1.620v
1.640v - 1.660v - 1.665v
LLC Disabled
Set in BIOS - DMM Idle - DMM Load
1.600v - 1.595v - 1.590v
1.620v - 1.610v - 1.605v
1.640v - 1.630v - 1.620v
But the problem is when LLC is Disabled, I can't boot in Windows with same voltage (real) as LLC Enabled.
vDRAM is overvolting by 0.02v too when LLC is Enabled.
Bullet,
Thank you very much for those results.
But can you check what HWinfo32 (since cpu-z wont work) says about the idle and load voltages at lower voltages (like 1.40) tests with LLC enabled or disabled? (I don't want you to fry your cpu).
Because something doesn't seem right.
The vdroop at 1.60v should be *over* 0.1v at load, compared to BIOS (vdroop is a percent, so the higher the vcore, the more the vdroop).
I'll test it tomorrow. Voltages from 1.4v to 1.6v again but this time BIOS set - BIOS show - DMM idle - AIDA idle - DMM Load - AIDA load.
The difference between two choke legs is 0.1v, So I don't think the lower one is the vCore because it's always 0.1v lower then other/BIOS set no matter if LLC is enabled or disabled.
More results to come this week...
Bullet,
Make sure you test at 1.25v before being sure about the choke legs. I saw an earlier thread where they were discussing this, and testing at the wrong choke tests the vcore *before* it goes through the VRM's that apply the vdroop. At 1.60v, with LLC disabled, the real vcore should be between 1.45 to 1.50v at full load (e.g. LinX or Prime95 small FFT). 1.590 with vdroop disabled at load definitely can't be correct. That looks like the vcore before any droop is being applied.
Okay, I'll check the measure points with few guys from gigabyte to be sure.. thx
Falkentyne,
What about CPUZ 1.57? Still doesn't show the correct Vcore?
Not on B3. At least not on GB boards.
Might work on other boards.
HWinfo32 works and shows a lot more information.
what best value for 5 GH ?
Turbo Power Limit (watt)
Core Current Limit ( amps )
If you don't have "per core" settings enabled (meaning you're using a fixed multiplier and have OS changes disabled), leave it at default, since it's grayed out; it only will use that value at POST time only.
If you're using the per core settings or have OS changes enabled, set it to 200/200.
The freeze at idle (on B2 Asus P8P67 Pro and Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3) is driving me nuts.
Very basic system:
2500K
ga-p67-ud3
hd5770
1600MHz corsair vengeance @ 1333MHz (stock timings) @ 1.5V
Seasonic x-400 PSU
Windows 7 64
Stable under load, crash @ idle, passes all mem tests (tried different ram also)
completely random freezing, it's really frustrating...
Extremely simple fix.
Disable EIST, C3, C6, C1 (forgot if that's there).
Use fixed Vcore.
Profit.
Can anyone get me correct measuring points for vCore? (other voltages are also welcome for sure)
stasio?
This is from the UD5 but the read point is the same for UD4, there's also another point on the back of the board but it reads just the same as the front.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...30&postcount=2
Don't use inductors for voltage measurement... you can either use the back of the 6.3V 560µF caps or MLCC caps at the back of the CPU socket. The closer to the CPU the better is the measurement.
was not able to boot at 2133mhz with settings at 8-9-8-24
could boot with 8.9.8.24 at 1333 / 1600 and 1866.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...ko/2133mhz.png
I am sure you can boot 8.9.8.24 at 2133,maybe with Vdimm 1.68.
Btw,this is SPD what I ask you:
http://i6.aijaa.com/b/00833/7748494.png
Okay, I've tested some voltages.
i5 2500k @ 4GHz
Gigabyte P67A UD4-B3 @ F3b
Idle means... idle? :D
Load means running wPrime 1024M.
I've tested all chokes and all caps near CPU socket. There are few chokes that "give" 0.01v more but the results are from other ones. The difference between cap and choke is small but i guess choke vs. MLCC difference should be larger (but have no time to test that).
Enjoy:
LLC Disabled
http://www.pohrani.com/f/2t/If/FLfG0qD/llcdisabled.jpg
LLC Enabled
http://www.pohrani.com/f/3P/10u/14itEIpD/llcenabled.jpg
here the CPU-Z 157 readings.:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2.../cpu-157mb.png
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2.../cpumbeasy.png
Thanks,
did you try CR1.
Btw,here is grapf what this sticks can do:
2133 6-10-6-24 !
http://i10.aijaa.com/b/00661/7748892.png
Stasio, thanks for the info.
I have not much experience in Overclocking the Cpu and Memory Modules.
Just went into the Bios, but coulds not find at setting CR1 or 2.
could you kindly advise were I can select same in the Bios.
thanks.
:)
Ok, these are MUCH better now :)
In the first test you did, you had LLC disabled giving only 0.010v lower than the BIOS setting (like at 1.6v, result was 1.590v with LLC disabled at load). Now on your new test, it's showing 1.538 and 1.536v :) much better and more logical now.
So basically, the sensors are underreporting the vcore by as much as 0.035v, and LLC enabled is actually performing EXACTLY as it should. Voltages either right on, or about 0.09v higher than the bios setting.
If that's the case, then, then if the UD5 and UD7 boards "underreport" the voltages in the same way, then holy hell...that means LLC2 is pumping as much as 0.080v more vcore than the BIOS setting, and 0.030v more than CPU-Z/ET6 is showing. And people using B2 UD5's (which had broken LLC1 and useless LLC2) were using LLC1 that was actually using LLC2's voltage scale.
Sounds like no one should be using LLC2 on any board, then.
MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)/Advanced Memory Settings/Channel A/B Timing Settings
P67A-UD4 Virtual BIOS
http://i8.aijaa.com/b/00710/7750359.png
Yes, it more logical now. But the thing which is not logical is why I can't run benches on same voltages with LLC Enabled and Disabled when using the same final voltage (after vdrop). But okay..
Also, guys who have done some researches on UD7 have already told LLC2 is dangerous to use in combination with higher voltages because it's overvolting too much then.
So you're saying that the voltages shown in ET6/software correlate more to what benches you can run successfully?
This is what I'm saying
http://www.pohrani.com/f/l/gd/A3W0S4g/llc.png
I have a UD4-B3 on the way, should arrive on monday or tuesday. replacing my old ud3p
Ok I understand now, and that is indeed very perplexing.
Now I'm going to "assume" that the UD5 overvolts the same as the UD4, just for sensor purposes, so we have to go by the software (as I have no DMM), but with LLC disabled, I get a different vdroop than you do, even at lower voltage:
1.25 bios, 1.224 idle, 1.164v load, difference = 0.086 vdrop, 0.06v vdroop, 0.026v bios to idle drop
Yours: 1.35v Bios, 1.320v idle, 1.284v load = 0.066 vdrop, 0.036v vdroop,0.03 bios to idle drop.
Now what's interesting is, your BIOS setting to idle drop performs like it should, but (just going off the sensors), and noting that the higher the vcore, the higher the vdroop on both boards (as expected), then on my board, the vdroop at 1.224v is significantly higher than your vdroop at 1.320v (and that is NOT expected!)
So your board is drooping less than mine, but you're BSOD'ing at voltages that have you stable with LLC on. That would make perfect sense if you were actually getting the same vdroop as me and the measurements were 0.024v too high (then the BSOD is obvious: too low vcore and the 1.284v is actually 1.272v), but since the measurements prove that wrong, then I have absolutely NO idea what's up.
Since Vdroop is supposed to be a certain slope under VRD 12, it seems odd that your board has less vdroop than a UD5. But the BSOD would only make sense if the vdroop were more than what it's showing. But you can't break the laws of physics...so I'm clueless. And I suck at electronics, anyway...
Yeah.. That was weird for me too but those are correct readings from DMM so I've no idea what's up with UD5 if you measure the voltages with DMM. Maybe the SW readings are far from correct on it, don't know, you have to check it with DMM :shrug:
No problem man. I'll keep testing it :up:
I found that with differente LLC settings CPU-Z reports wrong by a certain offset, and that offset is not the same depending on LLC setting. I just wouldn't trust software unless you know the exact offset.
It is fine to measure off teh choke unless you wanna solder a wire toe the back of the board. All the CPU chokes are all connected on the power plane side so they can't read any different. All teh MLCC caps on teh back of the socket, can give you the same reading as a choke, i have a wire soldered to choke and MLCC, i see no difference through all my LLC testing, but its very nice to see someone take teh time and do it too. Great job! I am very happy to see its working well ont eh UD4, now just for teh UD5 i heard its fixed, and the B3-UD7 i shoul have soon and ill test that.
You will have to increase the voltage for both the LLC disabled and enabled test, to get a stability reading (without BSOD) with LLC disabled, but if you don't mind doing this (by calculating what vcore you will need for LLC disabled at load, and then matching the same vcore, but with LLC enabled, with no more than a 0.004 difference, the smoking gun question is:
Are the temps different?
From your results, you should be getting a noticablly higher temp with LLC enabled and 1.308v final, than with LLC disabled and 1.305v (perhaps both will have to be increased to around 1.320v-1.323v).
You should also use Prime small FFT for this test, and not LinX, because LinX runs at different alternating loads, and with LLC disabled, a low load= higher vcore, and we don't want that to mess things up :)
All we really want to see is if the max temps are going to be different at that vcore point that is arrived at with LLC on and off.
Will definitely be interesting to see...
finally my UD4-B3 is here, too bad that my 2500k is crap...maxed out near 5300 MHZ
http://upload.centerzone.it/images/3...6508_thumb.jpg
BTW, the biggest problem is that i can't run none of my Hyper kits (both MGH and MNH) with 2133 divider.
if i'm lucky windows boot up, but super-pi 32m instantly freeze.
tried with Kingston 2000 cas8 MGH, SuperTalent 2000 cas8 MGH and Adata 2133X MNH but nothing change.
i read somewhere that high vdimm helps to stabilize but nothing changed in my case, i've tried with every kit up to 2.1 volt.
also tried playing with System agent and VTT voltage but even this time nothing changed.
p.s. dinos, is it possible to have a bios that can handle more than 1.7 volt ?
my chip here scale pretty well even at air with 1.7 volt, would be great to be able to feed it with more and see what happens.
thanks in advance :)
Mafio you're not the only one with Hyper kit problems.
I installed them yesterday and tried to run 2133MHz 8-8-8-24 1T - can bench pifast, 1M, wprime but 32M freezes.
Tried to go lower 7-7-7-21 and 7-8-7-24 1T/2T - the same as cas8. Then I've tried with 6-6-6-23 and 1866MHz and I could bench 32M but with 1.82V what is way too much for that speed/latency.
I've tried with 1.7v to 1.82v for vdimm and 1.08v to 1.24v for VTT for those runs.
Hypers on UD4 = fail.
@Falkentyne: I'll retest it and make a graph with temperatures this time.
hi bullet, what kind of RAM are you using?
i'm quite sure that dinos some time ago posted some screenshots using UD4 + Hyper and 2133 divider.
2*2GB Dominator GT 2000C8 with MGH-E chips
edit:
you mean this one? if yes, this was on UD7 with Cors 2000C7
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6334/img7713x.jpg
i think i see the possible reason for your conclusion about hypers Marko, keep testing you will figure it out ;)
Just say is it subtimings or voltage related? :D
Hypers are a huge fail at 2133 here as well, even with up to 1.86v!
Dino you have to tell us what the secret is!
Guys try to disable Rank Interleaving and see if you can run your Hypers 2133MHz C7. I've tried to get it stable whole day but didn't success.
But now I can run 2133MHz 8-8-8-24 with 1.72v which wasn't doable before Disabling Rank Interleaving. With 7-7-7-21 it finishes 8M and few loops of 32M. I've tried vmem up to 1.82v and vtt from 1.02v to 1.22v.
Say bye bye to my nerves :mad:
this mobo act just like DFI UT X58 and as in that case i think that try to make it stable with Elpida Hyper at high frequency isn't a doable task...
to be honest i'm rather pissed off, i get my first UD4 2 months ago and it arrived DOA, then send it in RMA, waited for more than 1 month and now the new one have alot of problem and act weird with all the DDR3 i've here.
i'm a long time gigabyte fan but this one is by far the crappiest gigabyte i've ever used......
@bullet: already tried 2 or 3 days ago to play with Rank and Channel interleave but here nothing changed...
I've tried just one stick in DIMM 2 and it works. But dual is impossible for now.
1st stick
http://www.pohrani.com/f/X/y/49RKajhi/screen000.jpg
2nd stick
http://www.pohrani.com/f/q/9z/4tbndZW/screen001.jpg
I noticed a very annoying 'bug'. If I restart my PC and try to enter the BIOS, when I hit the del button my PC would just restart. This is a very weird phenomenon: I hit the del button the PC restarts but powers off during the process and stays powered off for like 5 seconds then it powers on again and everything is fine. This only happens if I attempt to enter the BIOS after restarting the PC. Is this a known issue? Could someone with a P67-UD4-B3 check this for me please? :)
Which BIOS are you using?
I have the same mobo as you could see last 2 pages. I did some researches over LLC and now I'm trying to stabilize Hypers on it.
I use beta bios and don't have that kind of bug. In my case, when I'm press "delete" button before the PC actually restarts, it'll shut down. If I press it on the logo screen, it'll enter BIOS normally.
I've flashed F2 and got the same bug but just once. Try to disable the logo. I've got it when the logo was turned on. After shutting it off, it boots and enters BIOS successful any time.
Okay guys with Hypers, what do you say about this one :p:
After 3 days of research...
Can't run waza so the result is not good. But the timings.. :rolleyes:
http://www.pohrani.com/f/2b/3S/1o1qdZkw/screen004.jpg
are you disabling non-execute memory option
Yes.. even without waza, this is weak score for those subtimings, isn't it?
+1 i hope its not a feature and gigabyte will address it cuase dissabling logo doesnt help, btw i have a b3 version of ud4 and i can't get any pci device working on the 2 pci slots( tried both tv tunner and ethernet card), my computer just power on and off forever, using original bios f2,
yes same issue here, and the first pci doesnt work ? what bios version do u use? u have b3 chipset rev. ?BTW i have Leadtek DV 2000 card , i wonder if its pci standard is compatible with this board, still worked great on my ga p55a-ud6 board
X-fi is fine in my PCI#2 UD5. I can't use PCI1 since the (PCH?) heatsink interferes with the card going completely in...(yes I know it isn't UD4 but they should be similar electrically).
Yeah.. Don't know why. Maybe because Rank Interleaving is Disabled. Don't know... Will try with another OS but I doubt it's OS related..
with Rank interleaving enabled 32m isn't running fine?
here it doesn't make any difference, the best i can do are 5 or 6 loop in single channel using the first slot.
I'll try it again now. With beta bios it wasn't doable with Rank Interleaving..
with f3b 2133 divider is a no go here
what bios are you using?
With any beta bios 2133 is no go. As I've said, i'm using F2. With rank int. Enabled, it freezes after starting 32m.
Edit: it's working on beta bios now lol..
that looks interesting: http://hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?...&postcount=412
Do you chaps have any idea when the final version of F3 will be released? I could really use it now but I don't want to use beta BIOSes if I'm honest. That's why I'm still waiting for the final release... :)
I have a ud4 b2. I am wondering if the b3 standard (non-beta) have bios have pll overvoltage option in the non-beta bios? My ud4 b2 has constant cold boot issues in all beta bios with cpu pll overvoltage enabled (btw cpu voltage is only 1.37) No cold boot issues with standad bios' with no cpu pll overvoltage, but cant go past 4.5 with the standard bios without the cpu pll option. I am happy with 4.7 on beta bios' as system is stable, but get constant cold boot issues...no fun:(
Those issues should be fixed in the B3 with beta bios.
Well i just jump onboard with this board as my P8P67-Deluxe died a week ago :/ , Hoping to share my findings once it gets home to daddy :D.
I've got a new P67A-UD4 B3 and have been having a ton of freeze issues (not BSODs though), and it's still all stock - no OC. I was running the F2 firmware it shipped with and have updated to F3D to see if that helps.
Has anyone else been experiencing these isues?
Hi Stasio,
I have tried F8h for B2 and still had cold boot issues. What does f8i do different?
Also do the new standard gigabyte bios of ud4 include pll overvoltage and does it fix cold boot? Still have my b2, but wondering if I should get a ud7 when I do the recall or if indeed the ud4 b3 boards have better cold boots with cpu pll over voltage. Also, is llc improved on the b3 bios'?
Cheers for any help,
Simon:yepp: