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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
so many lols in this line of thinking
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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
so many lols in this line of thinking
how about 8 g92's? just sayin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
GTX560 is a pretty silk GPU, it's cool and power efficient, so why not having 3 (or even 4 :D, LOL) on a single PCB?.
Maybe we are not there yet, but with evolving shrink-proses, where we get cooler and smaller chips, more GPU on a single PCB is a natural course. This is the way i see it anyways, others can stick to the double-GPU idea forever, LOL.
If chips get cooler and smaller then we can always make bigger and hotter ones that have higher performance without any need in SLI and CFX.
That way the PCB is a lot less complicated (=cheaper) and we do not have to duplicate VRAM and deal with scaling issues.
Whit this logic, you are dismissing the idea of double-GPU too.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Big and powerful single-GPUs is great, and the best option for most gamers, not everybody tho. But Double/multi-GPU has many advantages for HPC/GPGPU setup, where you can have many more, due to limitation of the number of PCIe-lanes.
I personalty believe we are going to see 3 (or even 4 :D) multi-GPU soon, maybe not exactly in this round, but in near future.
No, I am not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
There is a reasonable limit of GPU sizes. Staying within that limit gives decent yields, thus allowing to keep price reasonable.
If the chip is too big and yields are bad, then making such chip is becoming too expensive, and it makes more sense to make a card with 2 smaller and cheaper GPUs with decent yields. You can't, however, put 3 or 4 on one card due to thermal and size restrictions.
There are clear limitations of dual GPU boards that I mentioned above. Scaling issues (performance), size ($$$ and compatibility), PCB complexity ($$$), mirroring VRAM ($$$). This is a solution that is only worth it under certain conditions.
If you need more performance, you can always buy 2-3-4 cards. Here's your idea of multi-GPU in use.
In this case 595 is more of an image product for Nvidia to fight for the single card performance crown...
I've ale ready said in first post: "Maybe we are not there yet, but with evolving shrink-proses, where we get cooler and smaller chips, more GPU on a single PCB is a natural course". So yes, we need cooler and more power efficient GPUs for a multi-GPU card.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
I don't know much about the complexity of PCB, but somebody will find a way around it, for sure. You seams to be focusing on gamers only. While I've been clear that I'm talking about the advantages for HPC/GPGPU-setup, where you can't buy 2-3-4 more cards, because you have already filled all PCI-e slots. For this kind of usage, you won't need to worry XFX or SLI- scaling either.
The opposite has happened with nVidia :(Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I am a fairly happy GTX 295 Single PCB user (yes I know it is getting long in it's teeth, but it plays well for what I need @ 1920*1200 with amounts of eye candy).
Sadly Crysis is in a state of crises in any Forceware driver released after 190. The game is a flickery and artifacted mess. There is a 5 page discussion on the issue here on the nVidia forums
I am currently playing Crysis (for nostalgia's sake) and to actually play it I had to roll back to Forceware 186.18 otherwise the game would be flickering all of the time and hitching/stuttering.
Now it is silky smooth @ 1920*1200 Very High.
My only fear is that the GTX 595 (a likely replacement for the 295) may suffer the same fate where a year and a bit onwards drivers will start to significantly cripple the card in order to try and force the users hand to upgrade.
Lets all remember that the GTX 295 was fairly close in performance to the 480 and those like me saw little need if any to sidegrade (perhaps even almost downgrade due to the thermal issues of the 480).
If nVidia CAN pull of a gem of a card on a Single PCB AND back it up with decent drivers I would perhaps retire the 295 for it as I do have 2 DX11 titles which I cannot use any DX11 effects on.
Another GTX 295 user has uploaded a video of just how poor recent nVidia drivers are with Crysis
John
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=266112Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
may be of some help?
The same is going on with newer drivers for the 4870x2 - the second GPU fails to kick in. Great, right? I fail to see how AMD "breaks" that "accidentally"...Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
So I'm stuck on measly 10.8 drivers and fear that this won't bode well for newer game releases.
lol, it seems multi gpu is getting worse? wtf?
These are issues that people love to gloss over when bragging about their SLI/CF of inexpensive cards being a scrap faster overall than a single high-end one :( .Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Reminds me of the good old days....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
http://www.3dchip.de/Grafikkartenmod...tummercury.jpg
I had a pair of Monster Voodoo II's in SLI back then.
From my own experience CrossFire is getting better and I'm sure the same applies to SLI. You just need to read some of the reviews instead of shooting right from the hip.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
The HD 6970 was not getting the best reviews mainly based on over-hyped exceptions, but the HD 6970 in CrossFire has all great reviews, same goes for the HD 68** cards.
If multi GPU is so bad how come the about 14 months old HD 5970 is still the fastest card?
I agree. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Heinz68
More and more games are built for multi-GPU from the ground up, and technologies and drivers themselves mature. CFX and SLI really are a pleasant experience and not just a bencher's instrument these days.
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Originally Posted by Andrew LB
what happened to that company again ????
They got absorbed by AMD/ATI didn't they? Can't really remember though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
3dfx was acquired by Nvidia.Quote:
Originally Posted by eXceededgoku
better by what definition?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heinz68
Not shooting from the hip, been using sli and xfire for years
most Reviews = benchmarks =! Actual gaming performance / quality
Fast =! necessarily Good
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Originally Posted by saaya
saaya since you're using the SLI and CrossFire for years than you must know the above statement to which was my first reply is definitely not correct, I already did explain why and can go on but it should not be necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
That's a Quantum3D Mercury setup, based on 3Dfx Voodoo 2 chipsets. Quantum3D was a spinoff from 3Dfx and is still around while 3dfx went bankrupt and was sold off to nVIDIA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
Thanks STEvilQuote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
I tried fiddling with pre-rendered frames, sadly it made no difference :confused:
I've done some extensive testing since then, my results are here
It appears that the last Forceware driver which worked correctly on the GTX 295 Single PCB in Crysis was 191.07WHQL
The first one which had the serious game breaking bug was 195.62WHQL, not meaning to sound cynical or jaded, but isn't that odd how that was the last but one WHQL driver before the GTX 480 was released?!
As in Fermi is ready, lets break the 295?!
I noticed a few other odd things too.
Stalker CoP averages @ 77FPS in the 191.07 driver it averages at around 65FPS in new drivers.
3dmark Vantage and 06 scores remain roughly the same, but gaming scores have suffered somewhat.
HOWEVER GTA IV is much better Forceware 258+ (due to them fixing the SLi after I helped nVidia troubleshoot the bug).
I have provided a lot of data re: Crysis and they are looking into it, perhaps SLi will be fixed in time for the 595?
Seems odd how things have gone similarly wrong in the ATi camp too, I wonder if they are trying to force 4870X2 owners to upgrade too?
John
GeForce GTX 590 and GTX 550 Ti Surfaced in Beta Drivers
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NVIDIA_DEV.1244.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti"
NVIDIA_DEV.1083.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590"
We spotted two very interesting entries in the latest 266.7x beta drivers which imply the launch of the GeForce GTX 590 and GeForce GTX 550 Ti cards are nearing. GeForce GTX 590 is a dual GF110 GPU solution with 3GB GDDR5 memory while GTX 550 Ti is based on GF116-400, comes with 1GB GDDR5 memory. Sporting a dual slot solution, the GTX 550 Ti reference design looks very much like its GTX 560 Ti counterpart with Dual DL DVI-I and a mHDMI port
lol @ chart, max consumption : a lot
i am thinking of picking up a EVGA 580 and step up to this ...
I wonder why they are using the prefix "GTX" on GF116...
Are they going to surprises with a much improved GF116?
Was there something badly wrong about GF106 that we dont know of? It sucked pretty bad...
^^ If that GPUZ screenshot is real... then this card indeed does use two GTX 580's.
if that shot is real... I'm happy to have 2 x 6950's
I believe those are early shot of gtx580, not gtx 590 (gpu-z 0.4.8 wtf?!)
Fake. GPU-Z doesn't know GTX590. Wonder when Phosohoppers stop being so dumb...Quote:
Originally Posted by Borden
These must be super-cherry picked chips if this is true. Still I wonder how did they fit inside the 300W...
Yeah it does look fake, look t the white borders in the box. And the GPU-Z version is old anyway and will not recognize new unreleased cards anyway.
The thing that immediately comes to my mind was that one rumor a while back about possible 240 SPs on GF116. But that doesn't really make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Picao84
Given the 1 GB memory it looks like this variant of GF116 will only have a 128-bit bus (or could be 256, that would be a change…).
The only other thing I can think of is much higher clocks. If the clock increase is as much as GTX 460 » GTX 560 Ti, then we have 954/1908 for GTX 550 Ti, and if the FLOPS increase is the same, then we have 1090/2181… :rofl:
That would still not be enough to have the GTX prefix, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by iMacmatician
Back again with new rumor :D
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/8286/43759352.png
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According to the latest rumors, Nvidia could show the public the first video card based on two family GTX GPU-500 East at the PAX 2011.
The event will be held from 11 to 13 March in Boston (Massachusetts) and this year provides for the presence of all the partners of the Californian: Asus, EVGA, Galaxy, Gigabyte, MSI, Palit, PNY and Zotac. .
I think we will see this card in PAX East 2011 :)
Considering NVIDIA has been doing the public launch of these items at event such as PAX, it makes sense. Whether or not it will actually "launch" before that is anyone's guess. ;)
Really :shocked:Quote:
Whether or not it will actually "launch" before that is anyone's guess.
Before, after....it doesn't really matter. Heck, the rumor may be just that: a rumor. There have been a long list of dual Fermi rumors going back more than a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
I heard the reviewers will get the card tomorrow...
Figures, I finally broke down and went 570 sli to replace single 580 and now these will be coming... hope it's comparable at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borden
i would be REALLY surprised if this mystery card was faster then a pair of GTX 570's in SLI. best case i would bet that it would be AS fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
I mean... my 580 dcu II , can touch the 400W when clocked! What the hell are they doing to the 590 to stay under... so, i won't be surprised if that GPU-Z "fake" will turn out to be true ... the 6** Core is pretty "believable".
I think that the 590's will loose that equilibrium that GTX 295 had.
These GF110's are good but my guess is that they are to be used as single GPU's ... they are not good enough for dual gpu single pcb, in terms of power consumption and heat optimization ...
My guess is that next year's dual gpu solution will be a freaking beast .... and that this year they will do it for the sake of competitive performance against AMD.
Hope i'm really mistaken and that they do a fantastic job with the dual gpu ;)
my 570 GXT can do 300watts when OCed and OCP disabled with only 1.1v.
Going to be a beast of a card... An expensive beast to be sure.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...-sli-review/14
Check the full power of 2 GTX 580 in SLi :D
Image doesnt show up :XQuote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
Frozen froggy ... wtf? He's he hiding a 590 in the ice cube? :D
this is bad man all my picture in the ice cube now :(:mad:Quote:
Frozen froggy ... wtf? He's he hiding a 590 in the ice cube?
Problems with your account?
I do not know what happened to my picture ...can you see my picture here?
Yeah! :)
Have no idea what to look for, related to GTX590?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
So... no new rumors ... anything? This is coming very silent ... both Nvidia and AMD solutions ... :x I know Cebit is right next week... but it's weird not to see anything... it think it's the first time i see so well kept secrets! eheheh
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The latest rumors, NVIDIA will most likely be held next month PAX East 2011 show the first public electronic game card, dual-core products out single GeForce GTX 590.
PAX East is the world's leading video game event, founded in 2004, this year scheduled for March 11-13 in Boston, Massachusetts, NVIDIA and its partners is the number of card sponsors of this event. ASUS, EVGA, Galaxy, Gigabyte, MSI, Palit, PNY, Zotac, and so then will display their latest technologies and products, perhaps you can see the GeForce GTX 590.
GeForce GTX 590 specifications legend: the core of two GF110, 1024 stream processors, 3GB GDDR5 memory, the core frequency of 600-700MHz, Stream Processor Frequency 1200-1400MHz, memory frequency of 4000MHz, dual eight-pin auxiliary power connector , three DVI and a mini DisplayPort output.
So release in 3 weeks, not bad! Now where's 6990? Gotta be around, too. AMD is keeping quiet, as usual...
Well, I guess I can wait three more weeks. Almost picked up some GTX580's this morning at a sweet price, but I really just want one dual GPU card. Hopefully the GTX595/590 will support Nvidia surround by itself, otherwise I guess I will be going back to ATI.
LOL; AMD would rather talk about next gen, as here: "AMD 28nm Southern Islands chips in Q2 2012?".Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
As said in that thread, throwing this kind of rumors/announcement right now, just before the release of GTX595, suggests AMD doesn't have anything to beat/match GTX595 until then.
Good question, why are they so quiet about 6990? Do you think they have accepted the defeat already?
Throwing this kind of rumors/announcement right now, just before the release of 6990, suggests Nvidia doesn't have anything to beat/match 6990 until then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
See what I did there?
No need to be such a fanboy... :shakes:
There is no official indication of 6990 or GTX595 coming out. And no performance indications, either.
What defeat ? AMD has the performane king card for over a year.And only way nvidia will change that is by going above pci-e spec.Quote:
Good question, why are they so quiet about 6990? Do you think they have accepted the defeat already?
However going back to reality.SAM OSLO, NVIDIA TEH SUCKZORZZ FOR OVER A YEAR NOW,THEY BE SLOWERST, HD5970 > NVIDIAZ :rofl:
I hope you have some reasoning for throwing "fanboy" on me. Otherwise that would say more about yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Good old forum users, like you, should be an example for others, spescially new users. You can't stamp "fanboy" and dismiss all critical views on AMD!
They are quiet about 6990, and throwing this kind of rumors/announcement right now, just before the release of GT590 , suggests Nvidia doesn't have anything to beat/match GTX590 until then. You can't dismiss these points by stamping me. You need constructive reasoning for that.
I only dismiss ridiculous fanboy claims about a rumor of unreleased product that is rumored to be faster than it's competitor's rumored product. Repetitively. In numerous threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Until you get solid evidence (proof, fact; NOT rumor) of some product coming out earlier or being faster, all such claims are clear fanboyism.
I'm reporting your post. It's the FIRST time i report a post. You are insulting me be calling my views as "ridiculous fanboy claims". We should respect each others meaning and ideas, even if we don't agree. That kind of language doesn't belong in a freindly forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
I'm asking mods to review your posts. You have been leading the "wolf pack" in news section for a while. You have been crushing this kind of personal attacks, just to defend any AMD move.
I hope some brave mod can put an end to this kind of "terror" that has been cherished and promoted by you for a good while.
He didnt attack you personally, just stated obvious fact that youre biased towards nvidia ,and pretty much your every "statement of the fact" is only rumour spreading or plain false.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
ATM we dont know anything solid about GTX590 OR HD6990.What we DO know, AMD after releasing HD5970 had the single card performance crown.Yet you time after time insist about AMD`s "demise" "collapse" "defeat" etc etc.
In spite of all this "facts" you put out AMD seems to execute just they way they intended, for 3 or 4 years already.
IF nvidia will launch non pcie spec compliment cards built around two GF110`s , its going to annihilate everything on the market, including your wallet.Thats obvious.But such a card is going to be nothing more than a publicity stunt.
But if we take into account 300W PCIE spec.Things turn to the AMD`s side, because AMD has ,again, OBVIOUSLY, more efficient per watt design.
And for the moment, its all we have, some estimations, and two different categories of product.
Yet you somehow know about AMD`s "defeat", in a game that we dont know even what the rules are.
So a good advice :-) ,if you dont want to be viewed as a fanboy, before posting your thoughts, read them again, in hunt for any "apocalyptic" kind of statements ;-)
You do realize that calling someone a fanboy is no crime. You clearly support NVidia above all. You have not not been posting anything credible to support your "nvidia will crush ati" stance yet you push this idea like crazy. I hope nvidia really does something crazy to push the envelope but im not going to let that stand in the way of logic. Not that it matters anyhow. None of this discussion matters really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by \/icious
0 info (well, OK, a rumored release date of a card called GTX590 [even the name's changed!] running 2 unidentified chips :ROTF:), 9000+ speculation.
Source?
that image is way old.. i think it was Galaxy's dual gf100 prototype
Isnt this a very old pic of some third party PCB with their own design for a dual gpu card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Postmodum
That's what I thought, thanks for confirming that.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaktus1907
ehehe it's all about rumors! :) That photo showed on one of those rumors :) I can't tell what it is ... i though it was from Galaxy's too but what the heck! It was of VR Zone website ;)
Guys it just a product that will be realeased into retail pretty soon. We've been through this since many GTXes before:D
Unless you a NVIDIA insider or work @ Newegg's inventory data...no one knows when it will be available, might as well just smile and wait....It will be available @ Newegg soon same thing with its AMD counterpart:D
Yeah, nobody knows when it will show up, but nVidia has been feeding many different kind of news and rumors lately. That suggests it's not far away, maybe a few weeks.
You are wrong Sam, Nvidia didn`t give any news about their own dual GPU card, there were only rumors and speculations(like yours) about it. That`s it! But we all tend to agree that however it will turn out, Nvidia`s own flagship card will be either a monster or it will be a complete failure like the the first Fermi(only this time doubled).
Hm, the first Fermi wasn't a complete failure, actually. It was too late to the market, too hot / power hungry and came with a few units disabled, but it did offer competitive performance (especially when it came to tessellation).
It wasn't awesome, but it had its strong sides. I'd just call it a flop. :p:
Yeah, none of these are official announcements, but usually they tend to "leak" info "intensionally", and then some rumors will surface too. This is usually an indication that a new GPU is just around the corner. But as said, we don't know yet. We have to wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by badboy18187
I don't look at it as nVidia vs AMD, or their history to defend this or that one. I'm not employed, or get sponsored or paid by any of these, in any way. I usually try to make my independent analyses based on my own ideas and meanings. Those who disagree, are free to challenge it with constructive arguments, and without personal attacks.
From Digitimes -
Nvidia to unveil dual-GPU GeForce GTX 590 in mid-March
Nvidia is expected to unveil its dual-GPU GeForce GTX 590 graphics card in mid-March 2011 at the earliest and AMD will release its Radeon HD 6990 a month later. Competition between the two graphics chip makers will benefit Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), according to sources from graphics card makers.
Affected by the rise in APUs (IGP packaged with the CPU). AMD and Nvidia are both seeing dropping demand in the entry-level graphics card market and therefore are shifting their focus toward performance and high-end markets.
Although AMD has already unveiled its dual-GPU Radeon HD 6990, the company has decided to delay the official launch until after Nvidia launches the GeForce GTX 590 to prevent Nvidia from changing the GTX 590's design after reviewing the Radeon HD 6990, the sources noted.
Despite that consumer demand for high-end graphics cards is normally not high, the launch of high-end models can still help boost overall graphics card sales and with Intel's defective chipset incident already resolved, PC demand in the IT channel is expected to see an obvious recovery, the sources noted.
Currently, Nvidia and AMD's shares in the global graphics cards market are 60% and 40%, respectively, the sources added.
Source
Jeez... monkey business...
Exactly! The Geforce FX series was a total failure, the Fermi was as you say, a flop, which was more disappointing than anything as it had a lot of potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Fermi Mk 2 aka GTX 580 is a lot better, I am curious to see how this dual GPU card turns out.
John
Well whatever is the result, if this card use 2x GF110 it will be a real pretty engineering piece.. pushing 2x 550mm2 of transistor on a pcb is not an easy task to cool and power.
This card certainly will be every folders dream, the only problem is if nv will be able to find some room on that PCB to put a beefy VRM solution in place and if they will be able to keep the card from melting itself. Also it would be cool to see dual 8-pin plus an optional 6-pin so one is not limited by power demand when going water or extreme cooling.
Folding?=)) Who cares about folding when you look at this monster?Im thinking about benches and games,not about folding lol...
What kind of power is required for this guy whenever it comes out?
I've always been reluctant to get an sli-all-in-one card, but since I went mini ITX, it's my only real option as an upgrade from a gtx470.
Lets hope 600w PSUs can handle it!
umm, don't know about that:Quote:
Originally Posted by SabreWulf69
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?...post1036900633
Since reviewers already have the 6990 in their hands I'd say it's launch is imminent.
April ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caparroz
oooo looks good! :D
Well, Cebit starts March 1st so who knows...Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
CeBIT: Exclusive details on the GeForce GTX 590
http://www.hardware-infos.com/news.php?news=3864
Translated
http://translate.google.com.sg/trans...3D3864&act=url
i liked what they said in the other article " Expect a near 1000 Euros card, in limited quantities ".
AMD, imo, is going to win this war... not by having the fastest dual GPU but by having the fastest dual GPU that most people can buy instead of robing a bank to buy the freaking 590 but never getting to the store to do it because after robing the bank, they're always caught by "da police" :D
And i still think these will be GF110's chips but very downgraded :) What i know by reading rumors is that no one knows zip! If someone defends a rumor but, just because, decides to say "hmmm maybe it's not a gf110 after all, maybe it's gf114 ... " or " hmmm maybe it will have 2 fans and not 1 " ... then ... that will start spreading all over and people change opinions in a blink of any eye :D ehehehe
^
Source?
http://obrovsky.blogspot.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
I guess ... :shrug:
I wasn't sure if linking is such a good idea, you know, NDA and all, but I guess NVIDIA and AMD are keepin' an eye on his blog anyway.
thx :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
A single GTX 580 stock does 44 FPS with AA 4x @ 1920x1080, I don't think a GTX 590 would achieve such average with 16xQ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vardant
Also, the card name is very easy to fake, edit a single registry entry and it's done.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5356/warhead580.jpg
I get like an average of 40 FPS on my GTX 580 at 1920x1080 with 16xQ, I wonder if this benchmark is legit or not. And also, I want to see specs.
It seems too high for Enthusiast, and too low for the quality under ( gamer ).. i have try compare with 4 different reviews and nothing match with 2x 580 SLI numbers (ofc it's allways hard to compare different system ), the scores looks or too high compared to 2x GTX580 SLI ( and overclocked ) for Enthusiast, and too low for under level ... i don't say it's not legit but something is maybe wrong somewhere.
Then the date on the benchmark run : 17/11/2010 / 01:35:56 ?
I think the date says it all.