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10-07-2010, 04:45 AM
Metroid

Quote:

Originally Posted by rheydt

well, it is then an aluminium radiator if that is true

I don't care if some parts were made of aluminium. I use only distilled water anyway. I feel sorry for the people who use coolant and various metals within it. :rofl:
10-07-2010, 04:50 AM
MagisD

Distilled doesn't protect against aluminium.

Sent from my X10a using Tapatalk
10-07-2010, 08:36 AM
Waterlogged

Quote:

Originally Posted by bundymania

LOL that was pure joking in the Mail and waterlogged didn´t get it...sweeeet :D :rofl:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Actually, the joke is on you. If somebody had taken the time to quote that post, you would have clearly seen the prank. :D :wave:
10-07-2010, 08:46 AM
bundymania

Jaja laber mal du Honk :D :rofl:

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community...-748456-5.html

When will you test the new Admiral Rads ? :)
10-07-2010, 08:49 AM
Waterlogged

Quote:

Originally Posted by bundymania

Jaja laber du mal du Honk :D :rofl:

When will you test the new Admiral Rads ? :)

Google couldn't translate all of that. :shrug:

I wont be testing them, that's skinnee's job. ;)
10-07-2010, 10:52 AM
meanmoe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waterlogged

Well, that's all I need. :D I've never been one to play by rules (unless they served my purpose) so here goes. These are the communications I've had with Fester.

Disclaimer: The preceding "communications" did NOT actually take place and I'm not under any NDA with Fester. I am however under NDA elsewhere. This was only for fun.

.

Hmmm...
10-07-2010, 12:31 PM
Alexandr0s

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waterlogged

Google couldn't translate all of that. :shrug:

I wont be testing them, that's skinnee's job. ;)

Indeed, I doubt anyone would trust your biased opinion (no offense) ;). Besides that, the day Feser sends you an item to test, I'll be glaring at the sky for pigs with wings :rofl:.
10-07-2010, 05:38 PM
Elmy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexandr0s

Indeed, I doubt anyone would trust your biased opinion (no offense) ;). Besides that, the day Feser sends you an item to test, I'll be glaring at the sky for pigs with wings :rofl:.

I 2nd that :rofl:
10-07-2010, 05:46 PM
Martinm210

Haha...you got me for a minute there..:)
10-08-2010, 06:31 PM
avddreamr

Truth be told, their secret element, is carbon, or in it's planer 1-sp orbital bonded carbon state....graphene.
It has 80 times the thermal conductivity in comparison to copper.

Well... it would take something like that to back up the hype.
10-08-2010, 06:39 PM
BeepBeep2

Quote:

Originally Posted by defect9

the >9000 got me giggling like a tard

lmfao it's over 9000! :)
10-09-2010, 07:34 AM
Metroid

Feser Admiral radiator mystery! :rofl:

>9000 blistering. :ROTF:

Passed first week of October and nothing yet. :lsfight:
10-09-2010, 02:03 PM
Waterlogged

Guys, there were clues in the entire post that it was nothing more than me having a little fun.

1. Do you really think I would email them, and for that matter, Do you think they would respond to me, let alone reveal their newest products secrets? ;)

2. Unobtainium274. . .do I really need to say more? ;)

3. >9000 :rofl:
10-10-2010, 04:26 AM
Alexandr0s

Either that, or their CS has an amazingly awesome troll :rofl:!
10-11-2010, 05:18 AM
Tetrafluorometh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metroid

Feser Admiral radiator mystery! :rofl:

Nice find!
10-12-2010, 11:23 PM
Waterlogged

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OK, so I had some spare time and was kind of bored on Monday and got to thinking about the tube size and layout on these rads. From all the available info I could find this is what I was able to come up with.

Disclaimer: This is only a guess, there is no inside info that I know that led me to this "conclusion".

Paper is 124mm x 61mm, the size they claim the standard 120mm series to be. I believe the O.D. of the tubes to be a little smaller than the dimes (17.82mm to 18.01mm), possibly 13mm to 15mm, the fins look to be about 2mm-3mm high, and the inside diameter of the tube is probably somewhere around 8mm to 10mm.

Again, this is just more speculation but it seems close from what I've been able to figure out.
10-13-2010, 03:11 AM
MpG

Given the pictures, that's not unthinkable. You'd get pretty large gaps for air to flow through, possibly even better than the lowest FPI rads we have right now, which would in turn be a step towards solving the near-thermal saturation that we currently see with low speed fans on our radiators. Of course, the question is how much of that air would actually properly come in contact with the tubes...
10-13-2010, 03:23 AM
Church

But wouldn't that in turn overly too much reduce area of fins? Of course, it would be easier to blow through/less airflow lost from quiet & slow fans with weak static pressure, but just replacing fin area with easier to blow through seems wrong aswell. Just different chosen compromise. And probably could be done/got same and for much cheaper with classic rad design lowering FPI even furthier to some .. 4 FPI?
10-13-2010, 06:22 AM
pluck

All radiators are a compromise between air flow (volume of air that passes through the radiator) and air saturation (temp of air out/water out).

To get higher air saturation you have to increase the area of fin that the air passing through the radiator comes into contact with, this can be done by either increasing the thickness of the radiator or using a higher fin density. No matter which way you go about it though the resistance that the air passing through the radiator will experience will increase, and therefore the volume of air passing through will also decrease due to the increased resistance.

Browsing over results for triple radiators on skinnee labs the thin 14 FPI MCR320 actually performs better than the 8 FPI RX360 at the lowest fan speed (600RPM), which indicates that the MCR is actually less restrictive than the RX in terms of air flow despite having a much higher fin density. Since the fin density of the MCR is slightly less than double the RX, and it also only has slightly less resistance to the air flow through it (as shown by the slightly better performance at lower fan speeds) I think it is a reasonable assumption that if the MCR had 16 FPI it would perform virtually identically to the RX which is double the thickness with half the fin density.

Essentially the point I am trying to make is that making thick radiators with low fin densities is pointless, as it costs a load more to manufacture (if retail prices of single thickness vs double thickness radiators is any indication) and the performance is identical to a radiator half the thickness with double the fin density (lower pressure drop is pretty much the only advantage of thicker radiators). For me the ideal radiator would be a single thickness radiator supplied with a fan shroud, which would give it essentially the same dimensions with the shroud fitted as a double thickness radiator but with better performance at the same fan speeds (assuming the double thickness radiator had half the fin density of the single).

tl;dr thick low fin density radiators are not the solution to producing a better performing radiator with low production costs.
10-14-2010, 05:12 PM
Monkey Puzzled

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waterlogged

OK, so I had some spare time and was kind of bored on Monday and got to thinking about the tube size and layout on these rads. From all the available info I could find this is what I was able to come up with.

Disclaimer: This is only a guess, there is no inside info that I know that led me to this "conclusion".

Paper is 124mm x 61mm, the size they claim the standard 120mm series to be. I believe the O.D. of the tubes to be a little smaller than the dimes (17.82mm to 18.01mm), possibly 13mm to 15mm, the fins look to be about 2mm-3mm high, and the inside diameter of the tube is probably somewhere around 8mm to 10mm.

Again, this is just more speculation but it seems close from what I've been able to figure out.

Going by their figures on volume and length of tubing the inner diameter of the tubes is approx 1.13cm.
10-15-2010, 05:05 AM
Nobundu

Any news on when you will have one of these Admirals for testing Skinnee?

I am really looking forward on not only reading this review, but the Thermochill TA Review too.
Keep up the good work.
10-15-2010, 06:35 AM
skinnee

I'm not expecting to test the Admiral series in October. And trying to get the TA review complete this weekend.

:up:
10-15-2010, 07:47 AM
kinghong1970

this thread is pure win!
10-17-2010, 12:09 AM
LogAn'sRun

so is it confirmed these rads have alu in them?
10-17-2010, 12:45 AM
WaterFlex

Feser ownage :)
10-17-2010, 05:42 AM
ryan92084

Quote:

Originally Posted by LogAn'sRun

so is it confirmed these rads have alu in them?

i think the only thing confirmed at this point is that the feser website is an assualt on your senses
10-22-2010, 11:05 PM
Metroid

Feser Admiral radiators - release delayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artem

We tried to contact Feser in order to clarify some details about its new radiator line-up Admiral. Unfortunately, there is nothing new we could find – the manufacturer stated they continue to work on the radiators, which, WE BELIEVE, will inevitably lead to changes in some specifications, published earlier. The actual release date of the final product is also delayed.

Despite the great interest to Feser’s new radiators, we’ll all have to wait a bit more – Admiral rads is a new generation of radiators for PC water-cooling with all its wealth of innovation.

Manufacturer has to create new product practically from scratch so to please us with best performance and reliability of the product.

http://hw-lab.com/feser-admiral-radi...e-delayed.html

:rofl::ROTF:

Quote:

Originally Posted by LogAn'sRun

so is it confirmed these rads have alu in them?

Not confirmed, only rumoured.
10-22-2010, 11:25 PM
turtletrax

Facepalm.....

Running out of reasons to dissagree with WL...

I know it is five years in Hypersleep to get back from Pandora, so these MUST be made from Unobtainium.
10-30-2010, 03:28 AM
rheydt

any link for test review on these rads full of innovations ;)
10-30-2010, 05:27 AM
bundymania

No Rads...no Test, simple as counting to 3 :) Maybe Release until Xmas ? Who knows......

http://www.dazmode.com/store/index.p...&cPath=154_155
10-30-2010, 05:43 AM
Metroid

Quote:

Late October

Tomorrow? :rofl::ROTF:
10-30-2010, 10:01 AM
Elmy

They probably tested them in house and discovered that they can't perform that well compared to what we have already. They will probably redesign it about 5-10 times and come up with the same conclusion that you can't really improve much from what we got now. Then they will try some marketing gimmic to still try and sell them. But who knows only time will tell. All I know is they will have to give us at least a 2*C improvement from the best radiator on the market currently and be priced within 10 -20% for them to even sell.
10-31-2010, 02:15 AM
rheydt

i do hope skinnee can give us some more details about performance test ;)
10-31-2010, 03:08 PM
defect9

if they add blingy lights inside (maybe a cold cathode to replace one of the middle tubes) they could price them in some absurd category and probably sell pretty good.

well... sell pretty good to people who don't read tests and only go by marketing.
11-01-2010, 07:34 AM
skinnee

Quote:

Originally Posted by rheydt

i do hope skinnee can give us some more details about performance test ;)

The delay means my testing gets delayed as well... can't run performance tests without a radiator. :)
11-01-2010, 07:40 AM
Metroid

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazmode

FESER ADMIRAL and FESER ADMIRAL MONSTA RADIATORS IN STORE LATE OCTOBER 2010

http://www.dazmode.com/store/index.p...&cPath=154_155

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazmode

NEW! TFC ADMIRAL and FESER ADMIRAL MONSTA RADIATORS ARE EXPECTED TO LAND DAZMODE STORE LATE NOVEMBER!

http://www.dazmode.com/

:rofl::ROTF:
11-01-2010, 07:55 AM
Alexandr0s

I'm expecting the new Feser lineup to turn into the Duke Nukem Forever of liquid cooling...

2020: "Any time now..."
11-01-2010, 08:03 AM
Church

I wonder if recently released radlines performance (like that of TA/RX V2) made win too small, or they noticed heavy shouting in forums about aluminium and those were the reasons to redesign to something they can brag about again?
[offtopic]Skinnee! Where are results of TA rads?! :) It's almost month since initial review. :([/offtopic]
11-01-2010, 10:04 AM
skinnee

Quote:

Originally Posted by churchy

[offtopic]Skinnee! Where are results of TA rads?! :) It's almost month since initial review. :([/offtopic]

Had some prototypes come in that took priority.
11-01-2010, 10:23 AM
Metroid

Quote:

Originally Posted by churchy

[offtopic]Skinnee! Where are results of TA rads?! :) It's almost month since initial review. :([/offtopic]

Interested in that too.
11-01-2010, 12:24 PM
SpuTnicK

Quote:

Originally Posted by churchy

I wonder if recently released radlines performance (like that of TA/RX V2) made win too small, or they noticed heavy shouting in forums about aluminium and those were the reasons to redesign to something they can brag about again?
..snip..

Quote:

Originally Posted by seal

I can´t tell you the real situation but..one reason is, that TFC didn´t listen to the guys who developed and manufactured these rads (!) so in august the rads were changed again ( as it was told to TFC in march 2010 ) …the production is running now…with nearly 2 month delay. The internal tests are done and the new rads are doing there job damn good.
The offical test will be done at skinnee lab asap …
My philosophy ´bout information is not agree with TFC’s…but…as developer and producer of these rads I can promise you, that everything is working well to get this “job” done!

source
11-03-2010, 08:03 AM
Church

I guess, to someone might be interesting read (interview with rad developers). Main points - aluminium nowhere in touch with water, rads can be easily painted, no nano coating, as there were few problems with it, so they decided to drop such expensive process. I cannot count answer of 'damn good' as quantifyable relative cooling performance, so it still is up to real tests to find out the truth.
11-03-2010, 08:26 AM
Metroid

1: Aluminium only external and no contact with the water.

2: The wall-thickness of the stainless tube is only 0,2mm, unsure low speed fans will impact.

4: Nano-coating too expensive, complicate and not needed anymore.

It looks like that some of the new hyped features were removed. :rofl::ROTF:
11-03-2010, 09:08 AM
Factotum

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metroid

It looks like that some of the new hyped features were removed

Everything is justified. Like any other product, Admirals have several revisions of engineering samples. They would had been launched long ago. But, early publication of Admiral specification on hw-lab.com triggered lots of negative feedback. As a result, Feser had to think of a different version of Admirals radiators which required additional test conduction (it was for our own good). Therefore, specifications are changed and product launch is delayed.
11-03-2010, 09:19 AM
Church

Factotum: Negative feedback? As in something about rad dimensions or about materials used? (i'm curious in what exactly was most significant for Feser to decide a redesign). To me it looked (if one ignores Feser as company bashing which made up 3/4ths of negative comments here) rest was made mostly about aluminium part. I wonder if early samples had aluminium inside water tubes aswell ..
11-03-2010, 10:02 AM
Metroid

Quote:

Originally Posted by Factotum

Everything is justified. Like any other product, Admirals have several revisions of engineering samples. They would had been launched long ago. But, early publication of Admiral specification on hw-lab.com triggered lots of negative feedback. As a result, Feser had to think of a different version of Admirals radiators which required additional test conduction (it was for our own good). Therefore, specifications are changed and product launch is delayed.

Everything you said is the common basic of a product development and this is not the point. The point is that they claimed the nano-coating feature as described on the product's website and is not going to happen. I would have taken your point into consideration if they had not even mentioned and or published the nano coating. They blow this one and this is a fact.
11-03-2010, 10:21 AM
Factotum

@churchy
Right now, it does not really matters. The important thing is the radiators production has been reconsidered for the better, since the final product should be free from drawbacks.
11-03-2010, 11:19 AM
BeepBeep2

Quote:

Originally Posted by churchy

Factotum: Negative feedback? As in something about rad dimensions or about materials used? (i'm curious in what exactly was most significant for Feser to decide a redesign). To me it looked (if one ignores Feser as company bashing which made up 3/4ths of negative comments here) rest was made mostly about aluminium part. I wonder if early samples had aluminium inside water tubes aswell ..

I'm going to guess there was alu inside the tubes, but were covered in nano-plating...but they couldn't get nano-plating to work right so they ditched the alu?
11-03-2010, 11:33 AM
Boogerlad

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feser Dev

Artem (hw-lab.com): Is it true that Admirals show great performance when using low-speed fans?
Tom (developer): well…at this point the tests are running. fact is, that the radiator is reducing the air-speed! Why? Air needs time to absorb the heat of the fins. The air has to be pressed through the fins. That’s why low-speed fans doing a good job. On the other side, high-speed fans create more power in air-pressure m/s.These tests will be done soon. But I think, they will create a good result, too.

That dev doesn't seem very smart... higher flow rate means better performance if heatdump is controlled.
11-03-2010, 11:41 AM
SpuTnicK

Interesting. First there were speculation on whether these rad will have alu or copper inside,WTF is than nano-coating for. Now when all of that is scattered and facts are presented, you still continue to guess :confused:
11-03-2010, 11:45 AM
Church

Factotum: Well, i'm 95% shure that one of drawbacks will still be there (higher price). But if they manage to pull off with best performance, they can also charge a bit higher price. Problem with their previous rads was that they charged premium anyway without real top performance to justify it except backing with pushy advertising.

At the end imho swiftech seems to have made smarter business decision. I'm guessing that they get same profit from each unit sold from their cheap MCR rads as TFC will from admiral (taking into account higher manufacturing price of admiral), but swiftech wins in much larger sold volumes. 95% performance of top for half of it's price imho works better then 110% of previous top for 1.5x the price (of course, these numbers are guesstimated speculation of mine).
11-03-2010, 12:38 PM
Factotum

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boogerlad

That dev doesn't seem very smart... higher flow rate means better performance if heatdump is controlled.

incorrect for rads

@churchy:
I think the Feser will not hear us
11-03-2010, 01:06 PM
AceBaran

Taking too long >_<

Im ready for a 2nd rad in my loop ... come on with it!
11-03-2010, 04:20 PM
ryan92084

Quote:

Originally Posted by Factotum

incorrect for rads

@churchy:
I think the Feser will not hear us

that link is about liquid flow rate, we're talking fan/air here, also he proves himself wrong later in the thread.
11-12-2010, 03:11 PM
rheydt

The material, these radiators are made of, is aluminum and stainless-steel.
http://hw-lab.com/feser-admiral-radi...acts-only.html
11-12-2010, 03:19 PM
Martinm210

Quote:

Originally Posted by rheydt

The material, these radiators are made of, is aluminum and stainless-steel.
http://hw-lab.com/feser-admiral-radi...acts-only.html

Thanks for posting the link..:up:
11-12-2010, 03:25 PM
rheydt

my pleasure, important is, at least now we are finally clear about the material, which admiral rads are made of.
11-12-2010, 03:30 PM
Metroid

We already knew, link was posted a week and few days ago by churchy http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=342
11-12-2010, 03:43 PM
rheydt

sorry, i didn´t see that post!
11-13-2010, 02:11 PM
SpuTnicK

WOW

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dazmode

ADMIRAL RADIATOR GIVE AWAY CONTEST
...
Get your chance to WIN brand new FREE Admiral Radiator by posting your watercooling build pictures with description.
...
When and how contest ends?

Winner will be randomly selected from all entries.

Contest will end as soon as we get Admirals in our stock. You will be one of the first people worldwide to get this product!

Estimated date: Mid-December (as of Nov 3rd update).

Source

I mean, will they have the rads by that time for sure?
Skinnee, are you in? ;)
11-13-2010, 02:55 PM
KURTZ

i read somewhere that these radiators will be very expensive ... :) can you confirm it?
11-13-2010, 04:27 PM
SpuTnicK

Quote:

Originally Posted by KURTZ

i read somewhere that these radiators will be very expensive ... :) can you confirm it?

No, I cant. There is no exact information of prices for these rads
11-16-2010, 01:41 PM
matt220

I dont like the port hole placement on these rads, too close together
11-18-2010, 03:19 AM
rheydt

i doubt the performance of this rad with stainess steel with aluminum fins, coz there is no good method to connect steel with aluminum, a typical pc radiator has following tubes and fins: tube wall thickness 0,1 mm, copper thickness 0,045 mm
11-18-2010, 12:25 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by rheydt

i doubt the performance of this rad with stainess steel with aluminum fins, coz there is no good method to connect steel with aluminum, a typical pc radiator has following tubes and fins: tube wall thickness 0,1 mm, copper thickness 0,045 mm

steel is a lot more durable then copper.
Which would allow you to use less thickness of steel.

Also, most rads minus a select few are made from brass chambers.

Also the type of steel used would be very important.

But specific heat of different metals:

Nickel steel 0.456 0.109
Brass 0.377 0.090
Beryllium Copper 0.42 0.10

Nickle steel isnt bad.
11-18-2010, 01:20 PM
rheydt

this is what i found in wikipedia: List of thermal conductivities
Stainless steel 12.11 ~ 45.0; Copper 401; Aluminium 237 (pure), 120—180 (alloys)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_conductivity
11-18-2010, 03:17 PM
bundymania

*yawn* I guess those rads will hit the shops next year...not before end of january

You can look at this little appetizer for some entertainment:

Watercool HTF4 Series - Prototype Parts:

http://www.abload.de/img/htf4_teileu69i.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/proto_radib6pb.jpg

No more Info yet, just the pics for some speculations :)
11-18-2010, 04:16 PM
matt220

^^ That rad looks better than the admiral, imo. Thanks for the find bundy
11-18-2010, 06:57 PM
Boogerlad

that deserves it's own thread. Please don't hijack a thread.
11-19-2010, 02:55 PM
SpuTnicK

I bet those Watercool rads and Feser rads have the same manufacturer.;)
11-19-2010, 02:57 PM
millertime359

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boogerlad

that deserves it's own thread. Please don't hijack a thread.

:up: :yepp:
11-20-2010, 03:14 AM
bundymania

look posting above, so it fits :D
11-20-2010, 05:35 AM
Dr.Joe

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpuTnicK

I bet those Watercool rads and Feser rads have the same manufacturer.;)

I bet they don't. ;)
11-22-2010, 10:09 AM
Fatfool

okay,

I'm going to take a stab at these from the sneak peeks shown. I haven't had time to read this whole thread and see if anyone had made a deduction.
These are quite simply tubes with fins on them. Manufacturing is pretty simple. Get a very thick walled metal tube, run it through a skiver in a tight, circular fashion. I've seen it being manufactured before so it's no biggie. You'll always see this sort of tube having a spiral pattern instead of having individual 'rings' because it's the most efficient method of manufacture.

I fact, I'd reckon it's easier to manufacture than standard PC rads.

Performance wise, I don't know.
11-22-2010, 11:12 AM
Toolius

cant see the Watercool HTF4 Series pics :(
12-08-2010, 02:53 PM
Power_VANO

Close to mid-december and still nothing new?
12-08-2010, 03:59 PM
ScottALot

Just realized I started this thread on 9/11. I'm confused as to whether I should rofl or cry.

It's been almost 3 months! I wish we had a rep from every major company on here, it'd be much easier to dispel rumors.
12-13-2010, 03:36 AM
bundymania

Oh wow, what is this...looks like the very first exclusive Admiral batch is on the way now, eh ?! ;)

http://www.abload.de/img/admiral1jh01.jpg
12-13-2010, 07:02 AM
NKrader

Quote:

Originally Posted by bundymania

Oh wow, what is this...looks like the very first exclusive Admiral batch is on the way now, eh ?! ;)

lol :ROTF:
12-13-2010, 11:37 AM
Factotum

Quote:

Originally Posted by bundymania

Oh wow, what is this...looks like the very first exclusive Admiral batch is on the way now, eh ?! ;)

[IMG]....[/IMG]

Oh NOOOO!

Russia first!
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/223/zazadmiral.jpg
12-14-2010, 02:33 PM
rheydt

is the guy, sitting in the car, designer of the admiral radiators?
12-14-2010, 02:51 PM
coolhandluke41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Factotum

Oh NOOOO!

Russia first!
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/223/zazadmiral.jpg

the funny thing about this pic is ..the car pictured here have air cooled engine :yepp:
12-14-2010, 07:00 PM
Aphex_Tom_9

hahaha that doesn't even make sense
12-14-2010, 07:09 PM
coolhandluke41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aphex_Tom_9

hahaha that doesn't even make sense

here
12-15-2010, 09:16 AM
hwlabs

"In Soviet Russia -car drives you!"
12-15-2010, 04:48 PM
Aphex_Tom_9

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolhandluke41

here

oh no no, not the car, the 2nd floating radiator hanging off on the side and who's the "driver"? is it the feserman?
12-15-2010, 05:24 PM
coolhandluke41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aphex_Tom_9

oh no no, not the car, the 2nd floating radiator hanging off on the side and who's the "driver"? is it the feserman?

I think they both work for Feser probably salesman...the pilot looks disoriented ,no wonder we have been waiting and waiting ,..:rofl:
12-15-2010, 06:44 PM
NaeKuh

why oh why are you guys waiting for a radiator that is going to take us backwards to circular tubes?

Are we going to ignore everything we learned in H2O up to now?
Go backwards... and pretend its not been tested?

Im curious to see how they pull this off..
12-15-2010, 07:02 PM
coolhandluke41

@NaeKuh
That picture that just disappeared, doesn't prove a da..n thing ,it only apply's to one type of tube
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6852/mora3.jpg

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

12 months ago two loops was better than one...:)
12-15-2010, 09:09 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolhandluke41

@NaeKuh
That picture that just disappeared, doesn't prove a da..n thing ,it only apply's to one type of tube
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6852/mora3.jpg

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

12 months ago two loops was better than one...:)

well i didnt want to shatter this thread...

And the surface area between the rad classes you showed is completely off.
To class a Mora with a RX360 is just wrong...

That is just silly, anyway u present it.

Watercooling isnt about bigger the better.... trust me, ive been there.... its about efficiency of your entire system.
Having all monster parts does not equal the pefect h2o system.
12-15-2010, 09:36 PM
coolhandluke41

NaeKuh i'm not going to argue with you .Everyone is entitled to his own opinion , "Watercooling isnt about bigger the better.... trust me, ive been there" and yes ive been there to-the amount of someone's posts doesn't reflect on anything :)
all i care is noise and if you thing this is " monster" .... " That is just silly"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4rDF69S9mk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pmY-...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhxRndIWFus&NR=1
The last test someone did was on mo-ra2 ;)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=226445
12-15-2010, 10:44 PM
Church

NaeKuh: let's say, that with insane rad area MoRa more then makes up to it's shortcomings of using round tubes. And even while two common triples might cool with similar efficiency, two externally mounted triples with extra interconnecting tubing imho will look less neat then single MoRa on case side, even worse so for three external triple rads. So overall i still see MoRa as competitive product with it's own niche (i'm too lazy to compare pricing, how much MoRa3 vs 2*RX360+2 extra fittings cost).
As for feser rads .. it's hard to compare apples to oranges regarding their internal tube structure .. yes, they are also round shaped which is less efficient, but they also have internal fins, not smooth internal wall surface .. so at the end it might compensate that aswell.
I hope TFC will hurry a bit with admiral release, not to consider purchase ones, but to finally end with actual test numbers all arguing/speculating lasting for many months, be them worse or better then for common rads :)
12-16-2010, 07:03 AM
SpuTnicK

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Originally Posted by churchy

but they also have internal fins, not smooth internal wall surface ...

Where did that come from?
12-16-2010, 10:42 AM
Church

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpuTnicK

Where did that come from?

From posts/info in this thread? :P
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12-16-2010, 10:52 AM
Waterlogged

I'm thinking they had problems maintaining the stability of the Unobatinium274 for the inner tubes. :p: :rofl:
12-16-2010, 11:17 AM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by churchy

NaeKuh: let's say, that with insane rad area MoRa more then makes up to it's shortcomings of using round tubes.

no if this was a pissing contest with a mora, id bring out this guy. :wasntme:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0114.jpg

Trust me.. bigger AINT better.

And that double feser 480 stack is most certainly bigger, because it has thin pure copper channels.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0116.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0117.jpg

So i can say, been there, done that... nope.. its not the direction one should go in H2O unless u have to watercool unobtainium.
12-16-2010, 11:21 AM
Church

Waterlogged: they might have calculated that and made it so that in each of those tubes amount of unobtainium used never crosses critical mass. As for radiation itself, it probably can be used with some smart accessories that convert part of it to UV lighting - imagine that, you don't even have to power LEDs anymore and have rad shine in green slimy light 7*24. And are you that against gills, extra legs and hands you might have grown by using such rad? I sure do miss sometimes not having 3rd hand :D.
12-16-2010, 11:29 AM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by churchy

Waterlogged: they might have calculated that and made it so that in each of those tubes amount of unobtainium used never crosses critical mass. As for radiation itself, it probably can be used with some smart accessories that convert part of it to UV lighting - imagine that, you don't even have to power LEDs anymore and have rad shine in green slimy light 7*24. And are you that against gills, extra legs and hands you might have grown by using such rad? I sure do miss sometimes not having 3rd hand :D.

:O

I ninja'd this post so quickly, that the blur u saw.. you thought waterlogg'd?

:rofl:

Serious note..

There was nothing wrong with feser's old radiators.
Infact i like them... they have a longer warm up period then conventional radiators because of the copper core.
But they were none the less excellent radiators.

I dont see why feser is going backwards, they had a kick ass radiator.
12-16-2010, 11:31 AM
Waterlogged

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

:O

I ninja'd this post so quickly, that the blur u saw.. you thought waterlogg'd?

:rofl:

Serious note..

There was nothing wrong with feser's old radiators.
Infact i like them... they have a longer warm up period then conventional radiators because of the copper core.
But they were none the less excellent radiators.

I dont see why feser is going backwards, they had a kick ass radiator.

Up 1 post from your last one bud. ;)

For a good laugh, go read page 12 (mid page). . .I had a bit of fun.:rofl:
12-16-2010, 11:39 AM
Church

NaeKuh: imho because they need something really THE most effective to partially counter bad effect of lying initial PR campaign of "thermochill killers". It's as you said - they were good rads. But when it's advertised with widely known in public as not true claims, it serves as anti-advertisement effect further tarnishing their not exactly bright PR image (made such by also triebwerks as THE LC fans (i wonder if they'll try to release something better in this area aswell?)/copied fitting design/shills at forum and overall pushy marketing).

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