Was that directed at me? Its on water, but the room started out @ 19C ambient, 21C at the end of testing. My cooling goes, 355 pump + Xspc top-Feser 120.3 with Yate loon "m" with shrouds-heat killer 3.0 - Switech mcr320 with yate loon "m"
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The flatness of the heat sink certainly makes a difference, I know cause I've had good results lapping various HS. I've never lapped a CPU cause the warranty goes right out the window. Then again, perhaps I'll look into it since in a way, my CPU is irreplaceable anyway. If you want, you can PM me about particular technique for lapping a CPU.
BTW, you got me wondering about running in slow mode vs full speed QPI.
Turns out, it's a function of motherboard. I've tried eight different mobos, and only the two giga byte boards make a difference. That is,
I've validated 222x21 in SM with the giga UD5 but with full speed, I could do only
220x21. With the biostar x58, asus, DFI, and MSI boards, I can get 220-222x21 (depending on board) at full speed. In fact, I just set my personal record with the biostar x58 with full speed QPI.
Now all the haters who criticized PC and said he was intentionally spreading false info.... you can eat your words and you owe PC an apology
I had pressure modded the CM V8 and cut back on the AS 5, feeling that I had to much the previous time. Wasn't impressed with the new temps, so threw a stock TRUE on, temps dropped 5c (probably the paste), with the same fan. Curious at that point, I lapped the HS, and the cpu at work last night, pressure modded the TRUE, and dropped another 10c so far. I'm not sure if the temps will drop more as this is on fresh AS 5. Inlet air temp is 25c, the fan is a Scythe 110 cfm cheapie, just going to pick up another bracket to run 2 and see what I get. After work tonight, I'll open the patio door to drop another 10-15c, to see what water would offer me.
After having pelts, WC, and phase in the past I kinda wanted to keep this simple with air, but this chip is making it tempting ! $300 (cdn) for a triple rad, GTZ combo, or $600 (cdn) for a Boreas. I'm not sure I want to prep and deal with condesation again though :p:
I just turned on HT at my preios settings, and went away for a few minutes, normaly it forces the system to reboot if it's not tweaked, this time was the first time I seen prime only shut down, system is still up. What area should I look at ?
No need to lap the GTZ though, they are as flat as can be. During the various lapping stages that I did with this 920, the evidence of a severely warped IHS as I wore away the high spots was pretty clear. It took a good hour, going from 400g - 600g - 1000g - 1500g to get it down to where I deemed it as perfectly flat. Highly recommended if you don't give a rats ass about warranty :)
Is anybody here to give me an answer how to get Blck over 222MHz and how to get 215 MHz stable on my Gigabyte X58- Extreme?
my board wont go over 222 either, not even on phase or DICE. Sucks a fatty for sure.
ah crap those Xeons look really nice, guess i can't resist and will get myself also one. :D
But need to wait a few more weeks till they are more available and no price gouging is going on anymore. ;)
but on the other hand its only ~10 more months to gulftown....
anything to back this up?
There is one way to get higher clocks...for sure!
I will find this way out tonight!
how does the D0 perform with 12 gbs of ram at high clocks ? I can't bump blck too much beyond default or it gets unstable..
They are nice but LOCKED!
In my Rampage II Extreme the Xeon W3520 has 3 locks that i7 920 doesn't have:
- DRAM locked to 2 multipliers: 1:3 and 1:4
- Uncore clock locked
- QPI link transfer rate locked
I am asking Intel through my supplier if they are really locked or this is due only by an immature BIOS.
Take care of it.
Thanks for your pic, up to 4305 I just adjusted vcor and vdimm, I never had to mess with my other voltages on the C0 series due to limited bus speeds. Anyway I turned off HT due to the air cooling for testing, and ran an hr of prime small fft's, with the only difference being vcor 1.312 and vdimm 1.66 under load (compared to yours :up: ), cores ranged from 66c-72c in a 19c ambient. Once I find the limits of the chip and mobo I'll back pedal the voltages if I can. Maybe we can get this batch # a little higher on the Giga !
http://s706.photobucket.com/albums/w...441019camb.jpg
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/w...441019camb.jpg
Great clocks, Frag! Passing prime at 44xx is a tall order under any circumstances. To do so at only 1.29 Vcore is
sensational. Hope to see more good numbers in the future......nice job!
EDIT: Tired of sharing and getting nothing back.
wish you well with the 4.4Ghz, .OSX.
good to see 1.2750 is a sweetspot. great reference point for the rest of us.
4.0ghz - 20 passes on LinX - stable on Air with Biostar TPower X58
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5...x584ghzsta.jpg[/QUOTE]
4.2Ghz seems to be the sweet spot for my CPU, can do that on 1.26v fully stable :) takes a big voltage jump for 4.3ghz as seen below.
Got some OCZ Blade 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 PC3-16000C9 2000MHz arriving tommorow from Novatech, will see if that gives me more headroom. :)
4.2ghz - 20 passes on LinX - stable on Air with Biostar TPower X58
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1...x5842ghzst.jpg
4.3ghz - 20 passes on LinX - stable on Air with Biostar TPower X58
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/287...x5843ghzst.jpg
Nice! Btw, do you have HT on or off?
4.2Ghz seems to be the sweet spot for my CPU, can do that on 1.26v fully stable :) takes a big voltage jump for 4.3ghz as seen below.
Got some OCZ Blade 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 PC3-16000C9 2000MHz arriving tommorow from Novatech, will see if that gives me more headroom. :)
4.2ghz - 20 passes on LinX - stable on Air with Biostar TPower X58
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1...x5842ghzst.jpg
4.3ghz - 20 passes on LinX - stable on Air with Biostar TPower X58
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/287...x5843ghzst.jpg[/QUOTE]
This is a kind of petition.
I am sure (I tested by myself) that Rampage II Extreme is not able to unlock:
- DRAM multipliers other than 1:3 and 1:4
- QPI transfer rate
- Uncore frequency
From other messages also P6T family has same locks.
A Gigabyte user assures HERE that in his motherboard above settings are all unlocked.
I hope that every overclocker that has a Xeon cpu will push Asus in any way to work on unlocking Xeon cpus.
Come on Asus, you can not be beaten by Gigabyte! ;)
Is this a retail or ES Xeon?
The ES Xeons have the QPI and Uncore locked, it's not ASUS's fault for those.
It is a retail W3520 that on Gigabyte motherboards seems unlocked, as says FragMagnet some messages above (LINK).
Good to know.
I've used some ES chips on the P6T-D v1 and they were all locked, but they were locked on other boards as well.
Hello from Germany :wave:
I can by an D0 Batch 3847A821.
Google say nothing over this Batch. Packdate 04.08.09
Have you here any ideas ?? :rolleyes:
Greets Mike
I would just go for it, you might get a better clocker than mine, who knows - I bought mine without checking on the web for results. :)HT is on, hard to see but you can actually see if look closely on LinX it states 8 threads. :)
Here's what I got for my 2nd overclock on my i7. Still tryin to get use to this setup. I'm likin this CPU as it's all types of fun. :D
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/j...rell/920_2.jpg
After working another 12 hr shift I decide to pop a window last night just to get a feel for this cpu. I limited the tests to 15 mins of prime95. I had the room at 17c ambient measured at the air intake. When adding a second fan to my TRUE I moved the H/S a bit disturbing the AS5 settling. The diff in my temps between cores went from 6c-9c so I need to reseat with a little more pressure. Thes are not fine tuned and volts can come down a bit yet anyway here's what I found out.
turn on HT
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/w...5min17camb.jpg
max 15 min prime stable
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/w...mins17camb.jpg
mobos bclck limit
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/w...t/Boot4662.jpg
needless to say I'm happy :D I have some good baselines and bios profiles, and the lower ambient really wasn't needed. I just realized that it was a 2 Ghz o-clock !!
Frag,
You may not realize it, but I think you just set a new record, at least for this forum. 4557 Mhz is the highest sustained prime run I've ever seen in all the
i7 920 threads. It's all the more impressive given your high temps. By that, I mean the higher the temps, the better the AC characteristics have to be.
Way to go, man!
wow those D0 are very impressive....you guys convinced me :yepp:
should i pay 377 of 920 or 400 for a W3520?
i mean is the 30 bucks worth it?
that's canadian money btw
Once I read this, I didn't even look at your settings or submissions for I already knew they were invalid. Run Prime95 Blend 30m - 1hour then resubmit. Try actually testing for VTT instead of just setting 1.35v thats WAY too high compared to respectable submissions.
GIGO: Garbage IN, Garbage OUT
Get the 3520. I havn't heard of any CDN retailers shipping a 920 D0 yet and it will be a long time until you can be fairly certain to get one. Not many stores here will let you browse their stock either.
I got my 3520 today from Anitec and they still show stock, but I know it's 3 units max left. I'll be popping it into my DS4 tonight to see what it can D0! :p:
yeah the 3520 i checked is from anitec
or i was gonna order a 920 from overclockers.co.uk...a bit cheaper but i guess the custom fees with make it pretty even
i'l order it before they goes out of stock :P
also a bloodrage, and 6gb of G.SKILL PI Black 6GB :shocked:
EDIT:
if they only had 3 in stock they only got 2 now :D
It is hot as all get out here but managed to boot at these speeds. Could prolly get the volts down some.
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/j...rell/920_3.jpg
wtf is your problem? First off you're kidding about stability right, 20x linX will crush your cpu harder than 8 hours of prime especially blend :clap: :down: I would hardly call 1.35v a high vtt either.
Stop spreading false information, and brush up on your i7 overclocking before you come into a thread like this acting like the mack daddy. :shakes:
http://www2.gol.com/users/fcchapel/i...1-400v_002.jpg
CPU-Z validation: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=552227
A "quick" test on a tad more Vcore than desired, but there's still quite a lot of headroom available...(and with HT as well, for later ...)
Last week, Dell.ca deals of the day had the i7 920 for $299.99 + tax = $338.98.
=( you might be lucky to see someone who bought them and trying to make a profit out of it (on redflagdeals or craigslist). As far as I know, all cpus Dell shipped out (I have two right now) were D0, batch 3844A717
here's my i920 D0 + Foxconn Bloodrage :up:
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8...4522mhz2hr.png
Without hyperthreading case enable you only use 4 of the 8 threads m8.
Thanks roller11, I had 4600 going for 12 mins, but every v I touched after that it ran even less. Maybe something to do with the components delivering power on the mobo. I hope to get a full night at it this weekend. I'm right at the point of this cheaper corsair needing the 6x ratio, but I had the timings set manualy. I hadn't been paying attention to the hi speed runs before, as my c0/c1's were mid pack chips. Of the 40-50 cpu's I've owned over the years, this is as close to a "golden" one as I've had, meaning the xx20 series. How it fairs against the other D0's as they emerge, time will tell. But it is a nice way to come back to the hobby after 5 years off :D I want to start reducing the voltages, especially QPI/VTT and a few of the others to see if they are actualy needed, fine tuning basicaly, and a H/S remount. I'm hoping to get a 4.5 stable enough for a 24/7 setting, if not then somewhere around 4.4
A Little Better...
http://www2.gol.com/users/fcchapel/i...adline_003.jpg
:shrug:
The only garbage here is your post.:ROTF:
You know you just made it evident to everyone here that you know absolutely nothing about linpack, i7 and prime.
20 minutes of linpack is equivalent to 8 hours of prime blend and if you had done ANY testing of the two side by side on an i7 system, you'd know what time it is. You're sig shows you're still testing....keep on testing with prime and you'll permanently have that in your sig.
He'll be picking on you now... :)Quote:
20 minutes of linpack is equivalent to 8 hours of prime...
^I wouldnt be to worried about this lol
In my experience on 2 different 920's now, I can pass the Linpack 20 pass with max memory use and problem size but will still fail prime if I leave it overnight.
I do wish Linpack was more reliable as an hour or so of stability testing is certainly more convenient than having to do it overnight. Unfortunately this just never seems to be the case for me I end up having to run Prime overnight to guarantee i'm stable so i pretty much stopped using linx altogethor as it seems pointless to use it when i still have to prime overnight anyways :(
To each their own, but you're not here telling people that their input is garbage so that's an entirely different issue.
Prime lost it's value as a stability tool for me when a 10 hour prime blend stable failed in 1 second of linx, full memory, high work load. And it's not just me who have experienced this...
I'm still looking for the optimal overclock of my D0 Batch 3849A846 for 24/7 usage, I use my core i7 system for batch converting RAW files about 20~30GB of data at a time, and also use it for HD video editing so my rig must be able to sustain heavy cpu load for extended period of time and it has to survived through the summer heat. So far this D0 chip is mopping the floor of the C0 it replaced, my C0 can only do 3.6Ghz with HT on, at 3.8~4.0Ghz the HT had to be off and it needed 1.37vcore to reach those speed.
An initial test at 4.30Ghz (21x205) @1.32vcore
http://bcphoto.org/misc/4.3htoff.jpg
4.30Ghz with HT on, need a slight bump in vcore and vtt/PQI
http://bcphoto.org/misc/4.3hton.jpg
As you can see with HT ON and slightly higher vcore/PQI it runs about 7'C hotter, with my current air cooling I'm not sure if I feel comfortable with this chip approaching 90'C underload, my HAF 932 case has plenty of airflow, and the Noctua NH-U12P has two Silverstone (110cfm each) in push/pull configuration. I think this D0 chip have more headroom left but suppressing the heat with air cooler is quite a challenge. I'll have to put it through 100 passes of LinX once I found the best compromise overclock for 24/7 usage.
Does your 24/7 work load benefit fron HT on? If not, turning it off buys you a budget of less vcore/more CPU clock that you can spend in any proportion you like. Also,
what CPU loads are your RAW file convertions and video editing producing, and what temp levels?
What I especially like about your post is that your D0 earns you more than just bragging rights, you get real world benefits from the extra power of the D0...great results!
Usually I let the DPP convert RAW files in the background while I do the editing of the finished data in Photoshop CS4 or Lightroom 2.3 simultaneously, the HT definitely help and my cpu load hit 100% load on all 8 threads, I don't think the calculation is as intense as LinX as I haven't seen any of the core hitting 80'C, but the duration do last for couple hours, it depends on how much data I needed to crank out. Less than 10GB I should be able to get away with HT off, but 20~30GB of data would save me some valuable time with the HT on. I guess whenever I have a chance I'll have to bust out the stop watch to do some comparison test with HT on and off to see how big of a difference it is.
Max Bclk
BIOS 233*19 :)
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9...hhhhhhh.th.jpg
Nice haya but you have to fix that pic.
No, I don't. linx/prime are programs that solve linear equations/test integers for primeness, mersenne primes in particular. "Stability" is a state of being that applies only to the instant of time to which it is referenced. So to explain that a 'stability tool' is a 'stability app', tells me nothing. Maybe a better question is "what is 'stability' "because there seems to be a lot of confusion about this easily defineable word.
I agree he certainly could have handled that better.
I guess every machine is different then, I certainly wish I could just run a 20 pass of linx and know im stable. I suppose I will have to continue to use both on new processors just to be sure im stable.
Stable to me essentially means that when a game or app crashes I know it's not due to my overclock and I dont have to mess with it. For instance if I haven't passed Prime overnight for at least 12 hours then when an app crashes it could be because of my overclock or it could be because of any number of other things and it makes troubleshooting way too time consuming. I'd rather just get it out of the way up front and never have to deal with it again :)
I answered this in my post, I'll state it once more just for you:
Prime95 tests integers of the form (2^n) -1 for primeness
Linpack solves systems of linearly independent equations. As to "stability",
there is no such thing as a program that guarantees stability.
And that's no bullsh**.
GIGO = Accounting Term people learn in College, used to describe many data related analysis.
To each their own? Now your just missing the point entirely and being ignorant to the fact that you are grossly incorrect. Linx is NOT a Valid program to Test 24/7 settings for your i7, you will fail Prime95 in UNDER 10 MINUTES every time.
I just have to ignore him now and wish him the best of luck. You really can't spend that much time or energy on someone who can't grasp on to the big picture. In the working world, these tend to be people that are let go in slow times or never promoted. They latch on to the small words, the small ideas, instead of grasping the big picture: Data Validity.
Nothing in my signature is unique and can't be replaced or upgraded to something new. My Sig is nothing more then a snapshot in time for others who may have questions about building something similar. Feel free to hit PM or Email me with any questions you may have about my current build.
fine...now can we get back to D0s?
Have a look at this:
http://www.abload.de/thumb/4200bei1184ob1x.jpg
Better cooling equals better voltages!!!
[QUOTE=DerekT;3752864]Who mentioned or spoke of guaranteed stability? [QUOTE]
ReverendMaynard mentioned a "stability tool", presumably a tool that determines "stability".
The ignorance in this thread is sickening.
You have someone that knows nothing about i7s trying to belittle people and force his ways of stability and another guy who reads the dictionary for fun a bit too much.
I guarauntee that if Im even 20x linx stable with a decent chunk of mem that I can run prime for over 5 hours blended atlteast.
Mr definition of stability over here might want to load up his bios, choose load fail safe defaults and put his tinfoil hat on. If you want true stability you should have gone with a workstation board and no overclocking. :up:
Back to D0
@emertX, very nice did you put it under water or something?
Was suprised to see that it only took 1.475v on phase to hit 4.6 bench stable on this ordinary c1 where as 4.4 took 1.55 ish on water
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=515465
Nice.
I will have to agree to the above.
I see the argument for "stability" pop up constantly. Why? Usually people use it to back out of silly arguments like using prime over linx. It is an arbitrary argument. You can't toss a dictionary result of the word "stability," slap some makeup on it, and have it hit the town. It is a circular argument that nets nothing.
So lets look at it in a way that is rare in this world, objectively. You are overclocking. Overclocking itself is a singular variable of change. I'm not going to bring in the scientific method here so lets latch on to the concept of changing variables. Encapsulated in overclocking is a plethora of variables that only further add to the analysis for stability.
What does all this mean? Unless you hit default settings and go back to square one your idea of stability will never be concrete. Is the earth's environment stable? Hey we are breathing and living right so it is stable. We apply an exponential amount of chemicals into this environment, similar to stressing the environment, and we are still living right? While that may be stable to some, it certainly may not be stable to others.
Now that the the arbitrary argument is defined here comes the objective viewpoint. We have a set of tools that are mathmatically based; there is no stress component type software. But do you have any other tools all of you stability wiseguys?
You use what you have and test accordingly. You have the next best thing so use it. Linx for i7 has been proven to be more stressful on the new architecture. Use it. Simple, done, nothing more to say. To argue otherwise is just going to have you running in a circle with your head down until you finally stick it up your own ***.
There is nothing "concrete" about the so-called "default" setting of 2.67 Ghz in the case of a i7 920. 2.67 has no technical significance, it's just another setting on the continuum of settings from zero to infinity and in fact, the CPU has no default because Bclk is generated by the motherboard, not the CPU. The word "stability" as it's commonly used is actually a way of saying that the CPU is within it's AC limits. The AC limit is the clock value beyond which the flip flops can no longer change state fast enough to propagate the correct value (0 or 1)
to the next stage in worst case situations. Notice that there is mention of software here because any software would run properly if the CPU is within it's AC limits. Any choice of "stability tool" is strictly arbitrary because no software can create every worst case situation (aka 'race condition') inside the CPU. So there is no validity in claiming "stability" just because your CPU has run 100 passes of linpack because another program might cause your computer to crash.
Suggesting that Prime overnight is one thing.....suggesting that 30 minutes of Blend is better than 20x Max Linx....thats just crazy talk.
This is where I'm at right now with my W3520. I thought I had it stable earlier at 1.296v but got an error after 6 hours of P95! :down: So I bumped it a notch and hopefully it's still running in the morning. :up:
The good news is my DS4 is one rock solid board. All other voltages are at stock(even QPI) and there is absolutely no vdroop! :)
http://www.mypicx.com/uploadimg/4413...04262009_1.jpg
D0 920 4.6G, 1.411V SPI 32M passed:)
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5...pi32m1411v.jpg
TinTin,
Nice clocks! Are those load temps accurate? Only 51C under load?
Anyhow, looks like you've got a lot of headroom left, could validate well above 4.7G with more
voltage. Great job!
^^
Not trying to throw gasoline onto a fire, but I have to agree here.
I can pass 50 passes of linpack on a P4, at a certain speed, but run a 2D directdraw game (like Maplestory) or a 3D game (both which cause far less stress on the CPU) and the computer will bluescreen in less than 30 minutes, if the vcore is too low.
Haven't seen this happen on core2 architecture.
Taking RAM or chipset stability issues out of the picture, you never know what can cause a flip-flop to fail if you are on the edge of stability. Sometimes the strangest combination of transactions can cause a failure.
20 minutes of linpack plus a battery of other tests is a good way to get a well rounded result, though.