Then what did they do if they did not process graphics - like graphics processing units do? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
Maybe they sat there doing nothing, producing heat and wasting electricity. :ROTF:
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Then what did they do if they did not process graphics - like graphics processing units do? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
Maybe they sat there doing nothing, producing heat and wasting electricity. :ROTF:
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Originally Posted by Dante80
:doh: I read one of the linked previews wrong, my bad..Quote:
Originally Posted by clonez
so they are *still* making 2x gpu on 2x pcb :down:
Just read the PCPer preview of the GTX 295.. Nvidia has a monster on their hands. Really looking forward to these cards hitting the market, especially if they are sub-$500.
fixed ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
for you being a bencher this is wonderful :yepp:, for games the card really isn't all that spectacular.
Oh really?Cuz I was looking trough PCGH review and GTX 295 was beating noticeably the 4870X2 in some titles like COD5/Crysis Warhead also from what I have seen Nvidia is quite better than ATi in GTA 4 which on the 4870X2 has problems maybe GTX295 will change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
LE:GTA 4 GPU review here
yeah 2 games woohoo? thats hardly an ultimatum that the 295 is a beast compared to the x2. in all other games its gains over the x2 are modest to none.Quote:
Originally Posted by XS2K
It's pretty sorry that the best nvidia can muster with a die shrink and a combo of 2 GPU's twice the size of the rv770 is a 20% max advantage and ~12.5% average gains on a card released in the end of august of last year.
Is all this hating due to your card not being top dog any more or is it something else? The 295 doesn't make your X2 any less awesome you know.
Actually it is my suspicion that the 4870x2 will equal the 295 once 9.2 is released, I am quite pleased with my cardQuote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
also with the voltmod and the watercooling it smokes any 295 @ stock voltage
Snipe why are you Trolling every Nvidia Thread? your in this one downplaying another Nvidia card once again. Not to mention all the stuff you started in the 285 thread. Give it a break. The 295 is going to be a great card. And it probably will surpass the 4870X2. Big deal. Live with it.
I am well aware that the 295 outperforms the 4870x2, thanks for being captain obvious. the 285 is a whole different story though.....Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonelmore
Don't worry once the 295 comes out you can sell your X2 on EBay and buy the faster 295. Because no matter what you think the 295 will be faster. Remember you can also volt mod and water cool the 295.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Well the 285 is the fastest Single GPU Card.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Noone's going to want to buy a volt modded card off of ebay that has been ragged outQuote:
Originally Posted by DBZ33
Of course someone will. All you have to do is advertise it properly. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonelmore
what exactly does "ragged out" mean? my voltmod is clean and well executed, all I would have to say is that it does 900mhz core clock and it we be gone like that. if there is one thing you can learn from nvidia its that all you have to do is say that it's good and there is always someone that will believe you like you were the second coming of the savior and never doubt your greatness :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonelmore
This is the 2nd time I've seen you refer to the 9.2 Cats..Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
You know something we don't? :D
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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
The funny thing about drivers is that both companies release new drivers very often:D
Catalyst 9.2 won't change anything, GTX 295 will be faster, not to mention these previews were done on beta drivers so there is still room for optimizations.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
:rolleyes:Quote:
also with the voltmod and the watercooling it smokes any 295 @ stock voltage
Pick up two $240 GTX 260 SP216s (cheaper than single HD4870 X2), voltmod it and put it under water and it will smoke any HD4870 X2s, including yours.
haha this reminds me of the old childhood days. ------------ "My dad can beat up your dad" kinda thing LOL:rofl:
Catalyst 9.2 are meant to be the first drivers from ATI that are Multi threaded & make better use Dual & Quad Core CPUs.
The paranormal powers of ATi fanboys are on the rise when a new Catalyst is announced...
They have done a pretty poor job since the 90s then. Because NT drivers in nature is multithreaded. Its funny how network, controller drivers etc never had these lacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
And its tragic comic to read this thread. Specially the first pages with rapid people gone nuts. Funny its the "usual" crowd.
The "usual" crowd whose a prominent & vocal member once said "2008 would be the year of nVidia's dominance" ? :rofl:
Hypocrite at its best form. :up:
1) false 9.1 or 9.2 will be the release of multithreaded drivers and on top of the normal improvments that come with any driver release the 4870 will once again be the better card the the 260 216. If it isnt then I guess I will eat my shoe :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129
2) dont tell me what will cost less, my entire card (waterblock+card)cost $400, the combo you just listed would cost over $600 after waterblocks are considered
(a 4870x2 can be had for 449 shipped at ewiz making it cheaper still)
As much as I dislike rules, we need two new ones.
1- No mention of Ati in Nvidia threads (other than in the review it's self).
2- No mention of Nvidia in Ati threads (other than in the review it's self).
Hopefully, this would stop most of the bickering.....can't we all just get along.
Dengyong you have a good point but nobody listen's and this is a review thread from the title :rofl:.
You should have included no intel in amd and no amd in intel.
The flaming between the companies fanboy's has gotten just about every deneb thread closed, ati 4000 threads I believe have had to be vlosed before aswell.
Weirdly I on't think any or many intel or nvidia thread's have.
Either way innovation on either side is a good thing as prices go down for all consumer because of competition a nice fact we should all keep in mind.
Dude both sides are going to release new drivers, the 295 and the 4870x2 will get better and better, why hate so much? The competition can only help us out.:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Timothy Leary must be handing out medicine again. :rofl:
Note: I just sat back and watched this with a bag of chips and a couple beers while a few programs were downloading lastnight. Looks like it's gonna continue to be pretty entertaining. I'll be tweaking today and watching this off and on. Carry on.
yes, but nvidia already released the optimizations ATI will be doing before, its not like they will magically create a driver that makes up the same ground without actually doing anything other than small shader optimizations.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoopdawoopa
SNiiPE quit being mad your gfx card now sucks and stop spamming the nvidia threads with your bull sh*t
lol SNiIPE card is rubbish lol sounds like someone is rather jealous lmfao :):up:Quote:
Originally Posted by billdavis
Now this is some what of an overstatement, but I just dont understand why you care so much, the 295 is obviously just as good as the 4780x2, we should all be very happy! This will bring prices down, right? :yepp: We the consumer really want an equal playing field and no should not participate in any blind fanboyism.Quote:
Originally Posted by billdavis
read my posts its my favorite part about all of this: $400 4870x2 is incoming :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by shoopdawoopa
Saved, for that special moment! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
thats why I said it ;) seriously: if the drivers that do implement multithreading don't do well I will never tout a future driver update ever again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carfax
So, I suppose you must have some insider source to be so confident?Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
I did a search for Catalyst 9.x and I only found vague comments by very few people, none of them mentioning multithreading of any sort.
I honestly cannot remember where I saw they would be adding multithreading, but there was a pretty interesting topic on it a while back... ATI said at one point that they would be adding multithreading in q1 of '09Quote:
Originally Posted by Carfax
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As you’ll know if you read our articles regular like, quad-core processors are not yet very well exploited in current games. Although dual core is more and more widespread, very few games can lay claim to making the most of more.
Over the course of various tests designed to observe this employment of quad-cores we came to the conclusion that there was one parameter that had a great deal more impact that expected: the graphics card, or rather, its driver. In our processor test protocol we use two games, the 1.2 version of Crysis (via the integrated benchmark_cpu2), and World in Conflict, version 1.0.0.9 (via the integrated bench). In both cases, the tests are carried out in 800x600 so as to limit the impact of the graphics card and concentrate on processor limitations, with as much load as possible.
Here are the results we got with an E8400 and a Q9650, both clocked at 3 GHz, coupled either with a Radeon 4870 (Catalyst 8.11 hotfix), or a GeForce GTX 280 (GeForce 180.48), in DX9 and DX10 mode (effects are set high in DX10 which is why we get the low frame rate), in 32-bit Vista
http://www.behardware.com/news/10005...quad-core.html
The results speak for themselves! In DirectX 10, with an NVIDIA card, you get between 21 and 24% performance increases by moving from dual to quad core. With a Radeon 4870 the gain is less significant. However in DirectX 9, the gains are smaller: only between 10 and 11% with NVIDIA, and, only in Crysis this time, a more or less identical gain with Radeon. Multithreading is of course not managed in the same way in Vista for DirectX 9 and DirectX 10.
The results obtained show clearly that the DX10 NVIDIA pilots are better multithreaded than the DX10 AMD pilots, which are in fact not at all or very minimally multithreaded. As a result, an NVIDIA card is better able to get more out of a quad core, which is not to be sniffed at if you are playing a game where CPU limitations are compromising performance.
According to Intel, 25 to 40% of the CPU load in a game is linked to Direct3D and the graphics driver. The threading of this load is not therefore insignificant and it would be more than useful for AMD to look at the question as soon as, to at least get on a comparable level with NVIDIA. We are now planning to update our Core i7 test, which we carried out with a Radeon HD 4870 X2 at first, this time using a GeForce GTX 280.
http://66.102.9.104/translate_c?hl=e...SRjaSrFmDB-FVQ
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Contacted about this, AMD has confirmed this, stating that the current drivers were not fully optimized for sorting and quad core. This optimization should arrive during the first quarter of 2009 through new Catalyst drivers
Heh..thats maybe the biggest pile of BS I read in along time ^^
They basicly also flawed their own statement in the test:
http://www.behardware.com/medias/pho...IMG0024646.gif
8% for AMD in Crysis on a quadcore. Core 2 Quads are actually horrible to test such thing on. Since depending on how the threads are assigned. You can end up with different cache distributions. However AMD wont get 2-3% bonus if it wasnt "multicore". They would get 0. Its not like running another game would be different. And the DX9 run is a perfect example on that there is nothing to gain. 8% and 0% for AMD. Yet nVidia scores 9 and 11%. Pretty wierd eh? No not really...
The API execution overhead is also about half in DX10 than DX9. In short, DX10 needs half the CPU load that DX9 did.
Not always. It depends entirely on the title. I know I sound like a broken record, but flight simulators put one hell of a load on the CPU. They have to. FSX is a good example. Even with my Core i7 and a GTX280 OC'd it is not enough to run that sim at the glory level of eye candy I'd like to see. It's actually fun trying though, because getting it to run efficient makes every other game a breeze. Every title I currently have runs with ease except for that one. They offload a ton of stuff onto the CPU. It should've been coded a bit better for multicore CPU's still. I think alot of it has to do with trying to make the sim compatible with single and dual core CPU's. It's holding progress back. One of the things I'm looking for is a "hack pack" to get the sim to take full advanatge of these things properly. Even the way it is, it puts a load on everything...the RAM, the CPU, and the GPU like no other.
I've got another title still using DX7-9 technology that offload a ____load onto the CPU. That title (Falcon4) is totally CPU dependent. GPU upgrades do next to nothing for it. CPU and RAM upgrades are what really shines with it.
New games are gonna be ultizing multithreading more and more. They need to get with the program, and code these titles to take full advantage of ALL 8 threads and utilize them properly. Off load on the CPU. On some of these titles it's just rediculous...a Tri SLI setup is being taxed while the CPU is sitting there barely loaded doing almost nothing. Times are changing though.
We already saw the thread about needing an i7 to really get the full effect. We'll be seeing alot more of that. I hope that's sooner than later.
is there a single GPU by NV coming out soon? cause if so, I smell FAIL all over these 2x NV GPU.. given NVs track record, drivers are not their strong point for their GPUX2 cards - just look @ the 98GX2, at launch: driver issues, shortly after: driver issues fixed, & after that? dont even go there..
NV dual GPU card + drivers = FTL
it would appear to me that for short-term, NV dual GPU is good, but long term? :shakes: my bet is as soon as the next single GPU card(s) are out, these dual GPU cards will be forgotten, just like 98GX2 :yepp:
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i think your right man :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
Yeah. Dual GPU cards like these:Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/8...bleneckcd5.jpg
They look cool but, at the end, they are not very practical.
Those cat 9. whatever are going to come out when direct x 11 comes out. Just google Direct X 11 and read it's key features. "Better optimization for multithreaded processors"
Guess what? Nvidia's going to have a multithreaded driver release too. It's all comming with the direct X 11 cards. Cat 9.2 (if it really is the multithreaded driver) will not be out until a month or a couple of weeks before direct x 11 is launched. Save that one and put it in your back pocket ;)
By then we'll all have our eye on the new tech.
Eh? What driver issues were so prevalent?Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
You really think there were enough/more than ATI that it's worth mentioning?
nvidia never launches a high-end model when they are about to shrink, they start with mainstream products so I don't see a threat over their new GX2.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
there was 'only' a ~3 month period between 98GX2 & GT2XX ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacky
then take into account the wonderfully high entry price for the GX2.. ~3 months at the top & that high a price is a bit rough imo ;)
The choice is really very simple. If you need a new VC look at the GTX260 216 and the HD4870 1gb pick the cheapest and buy it. For anyone with a 1920x1200 display or smaller you will be all but burning your money wasting it on anything more expensive. With both of these cards capable of running at 60+ average fps, in most games with good IQ, there is no real advantage to getting anything faster atm. For all of you wack jobs that do 3D modeling for a hobby you can ignore this comment. Multi-GPU is still a stupid pet trick for all but the most elite users. I may just look into multi-GPU in 2 years. Until then, I have better things to do.
Two things I found most interesting. First It appears that all the previews have been done with ES parts not retail parts. Second only e-tailers will have them for sale at release. I suspect that the launch will be much softer than the launch of the HD4870x2. I do not remember any constraints on availability of the HD4870x2. Yes some e-tailers where out of stock for a day or 2 here and there but the supply for all the HD4000 series parts has been very good from the start. Will be interested in just how available the GTX295 will be. Will there be joy for all or just 100 units dropped into the channel and then you have to wait for the B3 stepping of the 55nm GT200, sometime around March?
EDIT: It does appear that the B3 stepping of the gt200b/gt206 is done. Nvidia really is working hard to get this part out. I still suspect that the availability will be very tight for some time. Will know for sure in a couple of weeks.Quote:
Toms Harware
According to Nvidia, the GeForce GTX 295 will launch at next year’s CES, just a couple of weeks away. It’ll be priced at $ 499—right where the Radeon HD 4870 X2 selling online—and will be available at e-tail on launch day. When we’re able to review retail hardware, rather than an early engineering sample, we’ll have a better idea as to the accuracy of those claims.
gt 206 stepping
EPIC FAIL.Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonelmore
9.2 means FEBRUARY of 2009. Epic fail again.
nvidia already has the multithreading.... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by jasonelmore
IF there is a 9.2...IF. Like he said, do a search for DX11.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
And I'm sure NVIDIA's driver development will come to a grinding halt in the meantime...Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
you clearly have no grasp of where each driver team is at or you would understand why I am hopefull for a result of ati making A comeback with multithreading
AMD does monthly driver releases. DX11 is not going to help pre-DX11 titles (duh)Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Flight
You fail, and it's not surprising. People stuck in their comfort zone and never try to learn anything else always get laughed at. (Yes, your other comment in the P-II thread is equally hilarious.)
lmfao. If only you knew kid..Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Listen. The multi-threading of the driver won't buy as much as you think, especially given that quad-core systems already have completely idle cores sitting there currently with the majority of games.
wasnt big bang II multithreaded drivers? or am I mixing two stories together?
Not at all. It was not multi-threading, it was general performance optimizations, the kind that will keep coming from both camps every few months.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
do you know this? is there a legitimate changelog you are getting this from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sr7
Sure I know this. There is no changelog, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
If you want to see though you can compare CPU utilization over a set benchmark to see if the relative load between cores has changed at all pre and post big-bang II drivers.
I dont really have anyway of doing that, the only nivida cards I have are mobile chips and 7xxx series :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sr7
Take an easy guys....
The 295/285 are being released together right?
It seems like it's taking forever for the GTX 285's to arrive on the market...
Just depends where in the world you are. Its called logistics :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo_Fox
Several Taiwanese retailers are listing ASUS and XFX GTX 285 and GTX 295 cards for sale.
Basically, the GTX 285 will cost you roughly the same as a GTX 280, while the GTX 295 should end up priced on par with the HD 4870 X2, and this should apply no matter where you live.
More Here.
Did you write this one too?Quote:
Originally Posted by AuDioFreaK39
No I didn't, Peter Scott did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sr7
Thought that might've been you :) I saw that name didn't seem to be on their staff list.Quote:
Originally Posted by AuDioFreaK39
So where can you buy one in USA?
nothing on EVGA's website its now the 6th
I just looked too. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzfest05
I was hoping they'd list it. I'm still considering this as an upgrade vs the 285.
I can buy already gigabyte gtx 285 (in stock). Price 340€ and it is cheaper than 280gtx :)
regardsQuote:
Geforce GTX 295 performance preview
Geforce GTX 295 - Nvidia dual GPU card previewed
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...viewed/?page=1
This preview isn't good at all. In Warhead this 10fps difference between 1650x1080 with 4xAA and NoAA is BS.
nice review there
these cards are monsters
yeh they seem powerhouses , might get my x2's flogged
some dude just submitted a hwbot entry with the new GTX295 overclocked to 700MHz core
http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=808812
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1...tureimgkh7.jpg
You guys ready??? :yepp:
YES!!! :D:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
hey vince these slims i have
will they need a new adapter or can i mod the plate i have
60mm or 61mm holes??
i'd like to see any of the other 3dmarks with the 295gtx except vantage (i hate vantage for some reason don't know why)
yeh unleash the beasts kingpin, you know you wanna share :D (not just vantage score)Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
vantage grows on ya hehQuote:
Originally Posted by GLENBOY
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Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
NO.......wait me 2 days.:p:
NDAQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
come on andre get a screen shot posted you know your itching to
that was beautiful baitingQuote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
okies :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
thought it might have lifted
i dont hear much from nvidia these days heh
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Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
what is NDA?lol
No Discussion Allowed !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreYang
yeh come on andre scr*w nda and get a screen shot up :yepp::up::lol:, this is xtremesystems
Single vantage@hwbot?? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreYang
Andre knows better :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GLENBOY
Now is DA time :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreYang
by the time he gets his cards it'll all be over hehehe
so vince you :banana::banana::banana::banana:teasing us or what dude :p:
Andre was here today benching with me and shamino, he knows whats up :up:
Jan 8
No Discussion Allowed !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
someone I know said they say one of these in a Fry's in Texas today..
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...295-benchmarksQuote:
IF YOU LIKED our set of 285 scores, we present you with over 100 more GT295 scores. Unlike the 285 article, we promise to be less snarky this time.
Just kidding. Here are the scores, once again on an Intel i7 3.2/965 overclocked to 3.33 for no real reason. It still uses 6G of DDR3/1600 9-9-9-24 on the broken OS SP1, 64-bit. The drivers are the 180.87s, and they are not WHQL'd, Beware of NV pre-release drivers, they have a way of scoring higher than what come out in the next WHQL set... coincidence of course.
We spent the last few days checking all over Taiwan, and the 295 is pure vapor. There are only going to be a handful made to grab some benchmarks and give to the press, then bye-bye. If you don't have one yet, you probably won't get one. Some might call it a sleazy PR stunt to take advantage of the gullible and use the press, but if were up to us, we wouldn't be so nice.
Once again, here are over 100 benches, 101 to be exact. They start out at 1920, and move on to 2560 just like the last ones. Once again, enjoy them, this couldn't happened if we played ball, so for your added and early enjoyment, we don't.
Our deepest condolences go out to those who do. µ
so basically the inq is saying this card will never actually see retail? wtf?!
Err, i think charlie's being a bit of an anti-trust paranoiac there, cos hopefully one of the "handful" is on it's way to me tomorrow.
Nice looking scores though, i guess. killer vantage scaling, but who didn't see that coming.
so by vaporware thats what they are getting at right, something just for press and records but not actually hitting retail? and when everyone says Charlie, is charlie from the inq the same charlie from here that had yoda in his avatar?
Yes, it's the Inquierer, but for once I can actuially agree with them. Is this any surprise? How mnay people are gonna buy one of these? I know I'm not even considering one, and money is no object to me, so if they can't sell one of these to me, it's gonna be a very hard sell. This card was a bad idea from the start. It's not something that can be mass produced or supported very long. It's not cost effective. If you bought one forget a step up plan becasue there would be nothing to step up to that was remotely like it that companies could afford to let users step up to. My bet is it's gonna be hotter than the etrnal fires of hell the way they have the heat trapped in this thing.
My bet is it's gonna be special order only, with conditional warrnaties, and very strict return policies. BFG was ther first place to list one of these online and it's already showing special order only. My suspicion is that these companies do not wanna get financially committed to this card and are trying to avoid any lossses associated with it.