EOL so early ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Damn,anyways i wont be buying such an expensive board right now.Looking at the Dark,Asus and MSI.
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EOL so early ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Damn,anyways i wont be buying such an expensive board right now.Looking at the Dark,Asus and MSI.
The differences between the LP and DK modes of the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
http://us.dfi.com.tw/Upload/Product_...0790FX-M2R.jpg
http://us.dfi.com.tw/Upload/Product_...790FX-M2RS.jpg
1)6 v 4 SATA
2)Fancy cooling
3)Better Power regulation on UT.
4)HT freqency higher on UT?? Thought I read that.???
5)UT has better sound option. The sound on the DK is fair.
6)UT with two lan ports.
7)UT with 1394 port & Sil3142
8)Cost Newegg UT $242 vs $169.99. The DK model at motherboardpro is $149.99.
For me money was the decision. I wish my 9850 was here now but I screwed up cancelling an order and now I have to wait :(
Funny the 790 cooler runs hot as hell on the DK model, touch it and see. I have heard no thermal paste by someone. I tried to replace with another cooler(4 to be exact) but its way too small an area. I finally removed and reapplied paste(Rice Grain) and added (Foam Tape) a fan from one of the failed coolers and now the temp is 20c less and passes the touch test.
Ah you guys scared me for a second. Sounded like there was a major change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undersea
I saw the M2RS on newegg... but decided to spend the extra money for the better sound AND better cooling. Better power regulation? Hadn't realized that... but I'll take it. Don't need the added SATA ports. (I use a RocketRaid 3120 to put 2 raptorx into a hardware Raid-0.)
If I can get away with using the ALC885 instead of the X-Fi I'll be happier because it works in FreeBSD and Linux. (But if it sux... then I'll end up using the X-Fi for gaming.)
Now I just want to find the VoIP daughercard for that soundcard. It would be fun to play with Skype using a regular telephone for awhile.
Its not a surprise that its a EOL product so soon:( its a awesome board but.....You cannot get the board to truly shine without a dedicated Raid Controller Card and AMD should never have implemented the SB600 controller on their new Platform Release! Outside of the SB600 the board ROCKS and I really love it but I also have a Areca Card too where most do not.:up:
well i asked Oskar today to consider a new LP board as phenom gets better. Can stay analogue power but more phases and SB700.
I think there is a place now for a new monster board
i actually think of a second daily use rig (current one in sig) as i do alot of video encoding + gaming so i consider of going back to AMD for this one (personally i don't like overclocking on intel platforms and phenom seems to be a huge stepup for video encoding), so i have a question about this board:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Sapphie pure crossfirex
does it have the same BIOS as the dfi lanparty and if it doesnt have it, can i flash it with the dfi bios?
EDIT: i know that it'S abit offtopic, but does anybody know where to get a pc case with 2 atx trays? that would be really nice
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Originally Posted by generics_user
yes there the same and yes i have seen a few post around the net were they have used the dfi bios on the sapphy and vise versa.
waiting to hear tonys thoughts of the Asus Deluxe. :D
tony any chance in running the F@H smp client to see what frame rate you get around 3.0ghz+ ?
Tony, i really appreciate your work. Thank you for sharing your impressions.:clap:
Anyone got the hardware tool to reflash a dead Gigabyte DQ6 :( and in the UK?
back up bios...what a waste...no boot, no play...back to DFI ;)
Anyone got the hardware to help me, i can ship the board tomorrow?
I have one but a little far away to be of assistance Tony:(
You have the new attachment for the 8 pin bios IC's?
I have the flasher for standard socketed bios but these new IC's are totally different.
I have to see a pic tony is that possible? They are DIP socket correct?
Tony might want to see if you can get your hands on a preview board from Foxconn, their 790FX board will be paired with the SB700 southbridge.
Or if you don't mind one of the Abit, DFI 780G boards comes with the SB700 southbridge.
Im promised the foxconn by their UK rep, So we wait and see
You have PM Tony;)
It is soldered on the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Thats fixed easy enough:slapass: :D I saw a pic on the net just now of the Boards Bios chip I am waiting to here back from Tony though if I can help I will most certainly:)
That has done it for me, a phenom will for sure be my next upgrade. I was debating the easily overclocked Q6600 vs waiting for the B3 for a long time...with these clocks and the above statement....that does it for me =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
I could care less about FPS if the game is all choppy for no reason I can tell....smoothness is what ranks highest on my "best platform for gaming" charts =)
Although, I do fold and was hoping for some decent folding numbers SMP from phenom @ 3ghz....I can only hope =)
Thanks again Tony =)
PS....just wanted to note...guys take a look at the 7 reviews left on newegg's site for 9850's ... seems those with these chips are hitting 3ghz on air EASILY at stock volts and higher with a bit of a challange. One guy apparnetly ran 3.5ghz in 3dmark06!!! .... if this trend keeps going and those posts are legit....DAMN GO AMD!!!!!
I would like to get a hold of a Foxconn 790FX or 780a board for team ATL.
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Originally Posted by Tony
Hipro did an hot-flash on a soldered board. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...22&postcount=1Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
Maybe it could help in your problem, you will need an similar board.
Brother Esau, when are you getting your piece of AMD 9850? I wanna see more of these overclocked to figure out what an avarege chip will do.
Same here. I'm still not a fan of ATI. They make nice cards I just think Nv is better overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrokenWall
a 780a board with SLI or Tri-SLI and a 9850 would be a nice setup.
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Originally Posted by GenTarkin
Yay:p: I ordered mine from EGGY and its on the way as we speak:clap: :clap: :clap: :hump:
I picked up a 9850 for cold testing and to better educate myself on the bus and operational limitations. $400 with GA-MA790FX-DS5
The win at low Mhz is the onboard memory controller and very low latency achieved, a definite advantage for AMD.
My Kryotech has mounting for AM2 as well as adjustable in 1 degree ticks. Should be interesting if I can avoid the cold bug and hit max temp.
Charles whats up brother?:) Good to see the Main Gazine onboard and joining the Festivities:toast:
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let us know how well it folds at 3+Ghz! OMFG that would make my day. I also need to know if it can handle the SMP Client while overclocked. A lot of overclocked CPUs cause constant errors on the SMP client because it sniffs out ANY system instability you have. The SMP F@H client is the best test for system stability. If any of you don't believe me, try it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonspd
waiting for my paycheck to pick me up a new 9850 to drop in my M3A32-MVP to see how the Asus likes these new Phenoms.
I will be taking it to the next Team ATL meet to see how they do under Ice and Cascade.
Fugger if your willing to share the temps that the coldbug (if one exists) shows it's face when you get yours.
waiting on the weather :D
Wow, that's pretty crazy if a Phenom beats a Kentsfield/Yorkfield clock for clock.
I think the 3dmark run there could have been a glitch... I found this other run...
Check out this Q6600s CPU score @ 3401MHz
http://xs125.xs.to/xs125/08141/06daily202.jpg
Simply put:
All I see is Phenom approaching C2D territory. They aint there yet. Stock off the shelves ??? AMD has an argument. A Competitor.
has DFI comment on rolling a new board with the SB700?
I'm pretty sure that this thread is not meant to be about how Core 2's perform... as has been stated more than a few times.Quote:
Originally Posted by akaBruno
*edit*
hey, #333
This certainly looks promising. Bulldozer should really make things interesting.
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Originally Posted by Loser777
That's with Windows XP. Both Phenom and Yorkfield test were running Windows Vista.
Tony is a qualified rep, and would not rig a bench in favor of either brand.
His benches were ran completely fair and similar to one another.
Yes XP will gain a couple points over Vista, but lets not turn this into a Intel vs AMD thread.
Tony has already gone against his original post to state anything about an Intel bench, mainly because he didn't want this to start happening. The only reason he posted the comparison is to show that AMD is starting to reach Intel with the B3 revision as far as performance. Let's leave it at that.
Thank You
QFT and is not to be interpreted as permission to keep asking about AMD / Intel comparisons please. Tony gave ya'll what you wanted appreciate it and be content.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by BrokenWall
I don't think it's what everybody wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Some people would like nothing better than to see Intel dominating over AMD, so they can rub it in others' faces.
And this isn't the only forum it happens on.
Does anyone actually know where the cold bug is on these chips? I don't believe I've seen anyone trying them under ice yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
@ Fugger, waiting for some nice screenies, Sir!! :)
@ Tony, amazing work, thanks for sharing!! Vista really is a sucker for CPU score heh!!
First review of the Phenom 9550 here (in Chinese):
http://diy.pconline.com.cn/cpu/revie...4/1262586.html
They were able to overclock it to 2.86GHz:
http://img3.pconline.com.cn/pconline...262586_200.jpg
Looks like most B3's are good overclockers, limited largely by their multipliers, unlike the B2's. A 9750, with its 12x multiplier, might turn out to be a cheap and easy way to get to 3GHz.
TONY won't mind. He broke his own rules earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apokalipse
Besides, I didn't say anything offensive either way.
I'm just happy to see an AMD keep up w/ C2D.
I wont take this thread off topic, mine should be here by this weekend.
Just understand that I am more apt to showing the wins on Intel.
Tony, what happened with the benchmarks and the performance comparison between the differently clocked NB & L3 of a 3GHz Phenom?
I had to go back to work guys, benching takes time away from what i do for a living so i have to balance the two. Also the Gigabyte bad flashed and the DFI has a boot to bios issue so im battling a board at the moment to try and get the clocks i had with the DQ6. Hitting reset 10 times each time you boot because the board hangs loading bios with a blue bar and flashing cursor really can do ones head in ;)
I will do my best to run off some benches, in the mean time please if you get a phenom just join the fun here, see how well it does and post some results.
Anyone tested this with an AX78, I'm looking to get one for the next build and want to drop a Phenom in, need to know if it clocks well.
Tony my M2RS does that also. The computer must be turned on for a few minutes before entering bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
If you find a cure for that that let me know.
I don't know if any has tested the b3 coldbug temp, but due to how high the other amd chips are (especialy the b2s), I'd say a chiller or single stage would be a better idea (a properly tuned single stage would probably be the best, but that would mean retuning an old unit or making a new one)Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
Loser777
That bench is in XP, I ran 2x ultra's on the same build of vista64 with the same video driver...how can my score be glitched?
Also I was running as close to stock FSB as I could to remain apples to apples, HTT makes no difference on Phenom so running 250 or 200 is no different.
@Tony: Can you run sandra latency test without freezing in the 3GHz area? That test always freezes my machine above ~2.85GHz, can prime 2.9GHz fine for hours but that special test always leads to freezing.
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Originally Posted by FUGGER
I don't think anyone will be surprised. It's quite reminiscent of the Pee4 days.
[edit]
As for SPI, why not benchmark Pacman, or Space Invaders. It is likely as useful with todays code. Here's a quote from Scientia.
It's like running a 429 cobra jet with diesel.Quote:
I looked over the Super Pi executable. I didn't find any SIMD instructions higher than SSE, no SSE2, SSE3, or SSE4. There are also no MMX instructions that I could find. The SSE instructions that are present seem to be moves and conversion. I did find a single MULPS instruction but I don't believe this is in the main loop.
As far as I could tell the main calculation section uses x87 instructions: FADD, FSUB, FMUL, FDIV, FSQRT.
A quick look at the Optimization Guides for both Intel and AMD shows that x87 instructions are faster on Penryn than they are on K10. In particular the FDIV instruction is quite a bit faster. So, this would make sense that if SuperPi uses these then it should be faster.
However, x87 instructions have been considered obsolete for the past five years. The value of testing these on modern hardware is basically zero. In other words, bragging that your computer is faster with SuperPi is only slightly better than bragging that it is faster with real mode MSDOS applications.
Another 3.2GHz run. Cooled with cheap Akasa heatsink and ~15C ambient:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4998/32ghzhy4.th.jpg
Max OC on same setup. Setting multi to x17 crashes the system no matter what voltage on CPU :shrug:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4729/33hv9.th.jpg
Results done on Asus M3A MVP Deluxe with AOD only. Only Vcore and multi were changed.
True, I have those both and difference is an OS one. 3DMark'05, not much different. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Loser777
-40C without a problem on 5x B2 chips, not tried B3. However they hated voltage under 10C, 1.34v was all that would work fine, so air MHz were better :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
Let us know how it goes under cold Charles :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Yes, it never booted :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaz
Promising.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
1.4v? Can you not try 1.58v Cooper, it seems you may have a 3.5G chip there :D
Can anyone of you with +3.0G chips test on MSI 790FX please? It'll sav me the hassle of moving to those boards just to see if my PWM area and 4-pin 12V is what holds me back ;)
I will be purchasing on and showing results in a ASUS 790fx
Impressive, really impressive. :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Huge thanks for Tony. Great work, Sir :up:
And one silly question, does the problem of dead processor because of high Vdimm still happen? No no, you dont have to try that :D :)
I'm waiting for TRUE to arrive with 133CFM fan for some proper action :D
Guess I can just kill one to try this out :DQuote:
Can you not try 1.58v Cooper, it seems you may have a 3.5G chip there
I'll test the MSI board and maybe DFI too tomorrow
dang reviewers like firing squad didnt do so well. like 2.8ghz with 1.4 v maybe they dont know what they are doing or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by westk
what's Bulldozer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loser777
It was all over the Net ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/07-09-19/cooling.jpg
looking forward for your results, especially on NB clock front!!
is 64 bits oc problem present on the b3?
I think Tony mentioned using it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by RFC Rudel
sorry no action today, had emails and stuff to do...more tomorrow though if I can.
GBT UK will flash my board back to life (yippee) so i should be back clocking with this also.
Asked Oskar for a few fixes on the M2R, hopefully this makes it a little better.
awesome cooper!
i waiting for my 9850BE phenom and asus m3a32-mvp to come in the mail and ill join you in testing. glad to see some people using the asus board.
what ddr2 u using?
judging by looking at the asus forums, i was about ready to send mine back for a DFI. hopeully asus will update bios soon.
tyler
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Originally Posted by Cooper
You are my Hero! I responded to your post in DFI thread please check that situation that I mention with the Bios Re-programming on you're end please and make Taiwan aware of this they really need to address that issue and soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Tony am hijacking this thread a little bit :rofl:
you dont mind do you?:clap:
some photos of Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DS5 and Phenom 9850 Blacky Edition
Lovely, Boxes :p
http://img.techpowerup.org/080408/ph...90FX-DS5_5.jpg
Motherboard packed out
http://img.techpowerup.org/080408/ph...90FX-DS5_4.jpg
Motherboard
http://img.techpowerup.org/080408/ph...90FX-DS5_3.jpg
Stock Cooler upsidedown
http://img.techpowerup.org/080408/ph...90FX-DS5_2.jpg
Phenom 9850 Blacky Edition with Arctic Cooling MX-2 Thermalpaste
http://img.techpowerup.org/080407/phenom_800479.jpg
Cooler in place
http://img.techpowerup.org/080408/phenom_790FX-DS5.jpg
Everything in case, bling bling ;-)
http://img.techpowerup.org/080408/ph...90FX-DS5_6.jpg
ps: will be changing psu soon
Have fun with your new system;) Sheesh Gigabyte makes some Ghastly looking boards with them color combo's:shakes:
and???
Nice setup WIAK,,,:D
But what about your CPU ?
Did you reach the 3Ghz ?
I believe Tony was testing under Vista x64.
I dropped my rig to 378x9 and ran the CPU portion of 06 with 5-5-5-15 timings and no tweaks. I got 4890. So the 9850 @ 10x340 is slightly faster than what I have here at near the same speed. Vista definitely gives a hit in the CPU portion of this test. So I wouldn't compare results from XP. @ 3.8 under XP my CPU score is 5865, under Vista x64 it falls to 5384.
Looks good AMD. I might have to build up my 3rd rig again with a DFI mobo and one of these 9850s.
Now what is this. :)
http://www.abload.de/img/spifunvn9.jpg
It validates
http://www.abload.de/thumb/spi296z.jpg
In short, tried XEN 4.1 with the 9850 oced to 2.8GHz with an Win 2003 64bit Server Guest os. System runs stable. With an 9600BE it was only stable up to 2.5GHz.
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Originally Posted by justapost
What have you done!?!
You've tasted the forbidden fruit of spi:rofl:
AMD has 2 "new bestsellers" for you:BKDG and a revision guide for 10h Family
both dated April 09,2008. Enjoy
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/..._15343,00.html
@CooperCan you take a picture of the cpu when you change the coolers pls?thx
Hey Wiak are you sure it's the right staff on top of the cpu? Looks a bit like someone got "overexcited" a little bit:ROTF:
I know I would've ,nice pictures thx:up:
Thanks man :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
Unlike Intel 45nm, you can push high volts into these on air for a bit without trouble if you can keep the temp. below 60C - guide states 1.55v as maximum tolerance by core, so I assume 1.7v for 30 minutes won't be too bad :D
Trust me, I was at a wall with 1.44v - until I pushed 1.6v into it ;)
Drops to 1.512v load anyway.
SocketMan, thanks for the links! Latest "errata" and other register info such as PVI codes will all be there, updated :toast:
dont hold it, if you ask me the SB700 is ONLY 2 more sata + some more usb ports, and meybe 5% faster, anyway i have SB600 and happy with it :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Tony
i think tony's are non-overclocked graphics card and overclocked phenomQuote:
Originally Posted by Loser777
Didn't saw that coming...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
funny, how low can you put HTT until it affects scores? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
FSB on Intel and HTT on Phenom, I ran 340 to remain as close to 333FSB (stock) to keep cache speed near stock on the Intel. On the AMD HTT makes no difference to cache at all so running 200 or 300 would give the same score.
Im confused by what you are asking here?
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Originally Posted by KTE
Got my TRUE today morning. Still need to sand that thing :rolleyes:
1.7V on AIR :eek:
JAAFB AA 0810 APMWQuote:
Originally Posted by SocketMan
Last 4 digits of SN 0063
I just flashed the DFI board with 331 BIOS and it refuses to post with 9850 :shrug:
Triple-core B3 works fine though. i don't get it :confused:
Wow...tripple core B3! Hope u can test that as well. :D
:eek: We want to test this baby too....:clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
The only "glitch" in the thread is someone comparing an XP score to Vista x64. The CPU score for 06 under Vista will be lower. There is no user error on Tony's part. At 3.8GHz I lose up to 480pnts between the two in the CPU portion of 06 alone, that's WinXP SP2 vs Vista x64.
He He, check the screenshot at least it's an intel chipset. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SocketMan
Yea thats why the time is so high probably,:DQuote:
Originally Posted by justapost
virtualization?
***************
Thanks Cooper
:Yepp: Trying XEN 4.1 here. At 2.6GHz I get around 1000MB/s thruput in winrar with both the 9600BE and the 9850BE. That is a little odd. As if they apply the linux tlb workaround no matter what stepping the CPU has.Quote:
Originally Posted by SocketMan
Had the 9850BE with it's stock cooler in an GBT780G mobo with 4x1GB G.Skills 6400HK's. Configured it to warn me if the core temps get over 80°C, that was an anoying benchmarking at 2.8/2.2GHz 1.325/1.3V with all that noisy beeps. I did not use thermal compound, just mounted a cleaned stock cooler, but i guess that will not bring temps in resonable regions if they are above 80°. Ocing that thing in an htpc will be tricky.
After the bench i had to clear the cmos to get the system bootup again. :shrug:
3.5Ghz at 1.5V?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaMulta
I was under the impression that no thermal compound = fiery death of a CPU. Is no thermal paste common around here?Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
Don't think it's common.Was just husslin over here and only ran 30min benches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechromancer
What is wrong with 1.5v? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper
You can run cpu's without thermal compound--it's just not recommended. I do it all the time when testing parts. However, once I'm building the system for a more long term timeline, I use the paste. Using thermal compound will give you better thermal transfer.
If you're not joking then read this:Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
Electromigration is whats wrong. Voltage is like vodka, have a little bit and the party gets started, have a lot and something dies. :scope: :smoke: :eek2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromigration Do a Ctrl-F search for "overclocking" on that page and read the explanation.
LOL, that is old stuff man, everybody knows that. I don't have experience with Phenoms, but is 1.5v really that much for a Phenom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechromancer
No. CPUs last for decades, if not more. I have never witnessed a dead CPU, other than one which I broke with overvoltage (Duron 1.8GHz @ 2.2GHz @ 2.2V instead of 1.75 what it was supposed to get, stock cooling. ;)). They hardly fail if they seem stable with some voltage. Sure Phenom @ 2V @ LN2 won't last for years 24/7, but long enough for 99% of people.
Basically if it runs stable, don't worry. Don't worry about the temps either, ran my A64X2 @ +108C for both cores, multiple times. Still kicking and living well w/ OC's ofc. ;)
It's alot but iirc Phenom is rated for up to 1.55V.Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
hey wiak, Im interested in getting the same DS5 board you just got. Did you try OC'in the 9850 yet? Cuz Im looking at that very combo and was wondering how its treating you. Also, how many phases is the DS5 is its PWM high enough quality to drive overclocking the 9850?
Thanks
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR
Doesn't surprise me. Phenom is 65nm. Conroe is 65nm and is also rated for up to 1.55v, so i guess Kentsfield also. If you're cooling is sufficient enough then why bother about 1.5v.
If you have deep pockets the desire to blow :banana::banana::banana::banana: up then......High Voltage is right for you!:up:
Look at the Sexy Bananas^^^^^^^^^^
Well because electromigration is real.Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
How can 1.5v be so bad for daily use, when benchers use 2v on 45nm for hours and hours? If 1.5v would kill a chip in less than a couple of years, stock voltage would kill it within about 5 years I guess, and that's pretty insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR
I got 8 years old Duron 800, @ 996 MHz @ 2.01V for what, well over 3 years about 24/7, with load temps well over 90C. Still alive, though nowadays @ 900MHz @ 1.75V.
If they feel stable, they won't fail. :)