I think he confused the ringbus w/ the memoryinterface.
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I think he confused the ringbus w/ the memoryinterface.
More than likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
256BIT or 512BIT or 502394340BIT, it's going to be wasted bandwidth if the architecture is still weak with AA/AF enabled.
The 4850 still looks like what I'd want;)
512bits + GDDR5@2500MHz? Is Fuad deliring or something?
LOL, that's 320Gbps... marketing wet dreams ? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
Someone might think that a HD2600XT with 512BIT BUS and GDDR5-5000 ( 2500MHz ) would rock :p: got a clue ? :p:
Do you think HD4850 will match or beat 8800GT ??Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
what about HD4870 will beat HD3870X2 ??
:)
If I were in the marketing division I'd suggest a 2GB or 4GB card if possible, because that would sell more that 984818919GB/s of mem bandwidth :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
HD4870 vs HD3870X2... no, I don't think the HD4870 will outperform the 3870X2.Quote:
Originally Posted by nemsis
If it comes close to it, that would be great, and the HD4870X2 would have a decent advantage over the 3870X2 then.
If they get the cards to perform well with AA & AF, then they'd have something good for the mid-range and mainstream sector which would be good for AMD's economy.
We'll find out soon
I bet he misinterprited it as a 512bit ringbus like how the r600's was 1024 bit by that reasoning. If that was the case, why would they even bother with gddr5? That would drive up prices for no gain (at least no useful gain)Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
I have a crazy question - will the 4870 work in crossfire with a 3870?
That would be awesome if it would!
No but it would be cool if it did!Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
The Chinese sites say this is a load of bull. Just forwarding what they think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tienar
//Andreas
Seriously, were are very close to the launch date and we don't even know the real specs. Let alone benchmarks. Is ATI trying to hide anything?
its either a good thing , or a bad thing..Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
Compared to the RV670, sure it's good. I want to compare them against NV cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papu
Of course ati's trying to hide something, best way for them to scare Nvidia right now is to keep them guessing, if you look back with the r600, the same tactic worked (nvidia was planning price cuts and g90 when the r600 was still a mysterious monster) until ati released benchmarks
Sources from "East" say that these specs don't correct :cool: .Quote:
Originally Posted by Tienar
Same as german site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tienar
We will see when launched.
After reading the tgdaily article, I have a feeling ATI will do away with the 4850 cards until the end of the year, and only release the 4870 right now.
The reasoning for this is simple. Even the lowest clocked 4850 would end up faster than the fastest 3870 due to the difference in specs (320 vs 480 SPs and 16 TMU vs 32 TMUs). Though this represents a new generation, they've come far too soon after the 3800 series.
Unless ATI will strategically make 3800s EOL on 4800 launch or make huge price cuts on them, the 4850 512mb will end up being an insane deal, one which will take away a great number of sales from the 4870, seeing as, at launch, there will be a very small amount of bad-clocking 4870s and 4850s may just be underclocked 4870s. Though I imagine ATI thought that through which is why they are offering GDDR5 to convince people to make the extra investment; would make a lot of sense.
GT-200 Pressure...Quote:
Originally Posted by TgDaily
Perkam
Image that is says is real RV770:
http://www.tgdaily.com/images/storie.../ati_rv770.jpg
is it release tiem nao :D
maybe posted before, but...
http://hiphotos.baidu.com/amdս%C9%F1...c8f3d3857e.jpg
nothing there?Quote:
Originally Posted by MAS
So far, it looks like the R700 (dual R770XT) will be priced at $499. And a single R770XT will be like $299. OUCH.
It has to be lower than that or Nvidia will bury ATi this summer with GT200 chips. Well, at least it makes sense that ATI wants to capitalize on those prices until the GT200 comes out maybe 1 month later in June, I guess...
Personally, I aint getting nothing to replace my 8800GTX until the R700 drops down below $300, or if the GT200 is gonna be worth every penny. Some rumors say that Nvidia might do weird stuff like releasing different cards in increments over the months (like the 8800GT, GTS512, 9800GTX, but with bigger differences)---argh, that would drive my impatient nuts NUTS!
The 4870 will probably end up faster than the 9800 Series of cards, which is what ATI is really going after with these cards (save maybe the 4870X2 which "may" be going after the GT-200), so the 4870X2 will not be going below $300 before the 9800 X2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo_Fox
Perkam
Origin_Unknown, http://hiphotos.baidu.com/amd%C9%F1/...c8f3d3857e.jpg
somebody wasn't accurate when drawing this SS :) (see SM2 score)
^Quote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
Confirmed FAKE.
Here is the source of the PCB in the pic, some tard just added a photo-enlarged RV670 on the board.
opens up some kind of error pictureQuote:
Originally Posted by MAS
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buck47
:D :DQuote:
Flagship dual-GPU 4870 X2 cards will include 2048 GB of GDDR5 memory clocked at 1.73 GHz. The Radeon HD 4870 X2 will be introduced at a later date (and could see spec revisions).
no, she just does not like linking from other forums :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
just copy the link, open new browser window and insert it
Well that tomshardware article is just the tgdaily one (same site), aint it?
Also, that linked picture was proven to be a fraud/photopshop. As far as we know, there have been no leaked reviews or anything yet. Heck, people arent even sure what the real specs are still
Yay! 32 TMU's and almost 4 Ghz memory with lower power consumption :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Buck47
Gimmeh benchies now :(
Looks good. Think I might be going ATI next time.
Congratulations AMD, all that power in 150W is just plain ridiculous good
Even if 9900GTX beats the X2 hands down, doing so at 225 or more Watts is not the way to go imo.
graphics cards should follow the model of CPUs, power efficiency high performance.
sounds so dam good.. it bloodly well better be! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Buck47
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
people who buy highend-parts dont care about power consumption anyways. :p:
They might care if that means it can overclock better;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
When. When? When! Is there any newish press release or release date for these cards?
May '08, exact date not fixed yet ? :shrug: . TH says the cards went into production since March.Quote:
Originally Posted by stocius
I cant wait for the 4870X2. Finally it might be something that is capable of competing with 8800GTX at high resolutions.
Awaiting launch eagerly so I can finally get rid of this damn 7900GS. I know I won't be able to get them on launch, though; as usual I'll wait for Eddy to crank out a block :D
i hate to say it but i wanna get rid of my 8800 ultra so i can use crossfire on my x38... awaiting some 4870's :D
Rumour : RV770XT runs twice as fast as 2900 Pro under 3DMark06 :
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=267700
Fake:Quote:
Originally Posted by whocaresbg
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=225
//Andreas
I know for that . This should be based on another info :cool: .Quote:
Originally Posted by NH|Delph1
I seriously doubt that.Quote:
Originally Posted by whocaresbg
//Andreas
That image donīt have C2D, but instead one Athlon X2.Quote:
Originally Posted by NH|Delph1
There's no screenshot to back up Chiphell's "blog entry" claiming double rv670 performance. [ although double performance is what I've heard from another source myself ]Quote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
The original source doesn't say C2D. VR-Zone came up with that. I'm 99% sure it's the same screens they're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
//Andreas
They talked for C2D E6750 .Quote:
Originally Posted by NH|Delph1
The Chiphell news says:Quote:
Originally Posted by whocaresbg
Not a word about the system used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiphell
Then VR-Zone adds
Which reflects the previous FAKE pictures.Quote:
HD2900PRO 3DMARK06 SCORE = 9K (cpu=c2d e6700)
RV770XT=2 X HD2900PRO = 18K
I'm simply fighting this, because I seriously don't believe RV770 is twice as fast as RV670 with just 50% more shaders. It will be significantly faster, but 100% is hoping for a bit much, don't you think?
We all know that the TMUs limited RV670, but doubling the amount of TMUs should not give such a boost as the one they claim here.
//Andreas
RV740 will be the G94's competitor and we know very well that the GF 9600 offers same performormance levels as RV670 . From slides, showed from German site RV740 will feature 240 SP/24 TMU/ 12 ? ROPs . I think that the difference from R600 will some tweaks in the unified shader architecture, next gen Tesselation unit, ROP AA 4z/clk,doubled TMU and better multitexture management, larger L1/L2 texture cache and so on and so forth .
18 k points sounds too incredibly but not impossible .
100% more TMUs in a faster clock.Quote:
Originally Posted by NH|Delph1
50% more SP´s in a much faster clock.
Larger caches and new tweaks.
So everything is possible. Is a matter of waiting.
One HD 3870 makes 11K in 3dmark 2006. Going to 18K isn´t at all 100% improvement, but rather 60% improvement witch is possible and not impossible.
Its more then just a change in TMU's and SP's, we have to look at the sheer core speeds we are dealing with here.Quote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
From what I have seen the HD 4000 will be buit more like Nvidia cards when it comes to the split between core clock and shader clock.
That means that the top of the line 4870 with its core clock of 1050mhz, the shaders would be running at 2625mhz, which is simply insane. (the diffrence between core and shaders on nvidia cards run around 2.5 times the core, so I just used that number)
Then take in to effect the added memory bandwith of GDDR5, as well as the tweaks to the core and the AA fix, a 100% improvement seems possable, maybe not without AA, but I could see a 100% improvement with AA on under high resolutions.
Add to that the fact CFX works and Quad SLI simply does not (Nivida fan boys don't hunt me down, I have seen my room mate trying to get his 2 9800GX2's to work), ATI could find it's self in a very good place in 2008. And we as consumers are in a good place too, cheap killer video cards... and the idea of 2 4870X2's in CFX make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
tell me this isnt going to have its share of driver problems.Quote:
2 4870X2's in CFX
I'm not saying it's impossible but the discussion we're having is based on a benchmark proved to be fake, thus flawed from the very beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
RV770 is going to bring new life to ATI, I'm not doubting that, but I don't think we should be expecting miracles. And we should wait for better and actual benchmarks ;)
//Andreas
Ok, this card is the only thing I have left to get now.
Upgraded my other stuffs that I wanted to update to over the last week thanks to an offer on the Ram and a price drop on the samsung T166 just today to £44.50.
I hope ATI doesnt dissapoint.
I could just grab a cheap 3850 after they drop in price and crossfire it with my 3870 too, but I am expecting a single 4870 to be equal to, or faster then this.
But then again, I dont want cheap brand ATI cards anymore after getting a Triplex (terrible support over the powerplay problems), I want to get a Sappphire or HIS next.
ati has too many model numbers for me latley... i cant keep track anymore :p:
I guess i am losing my hardcoreness :(
IMO- This is doubtful, not impossible but unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadESin
The whole point of the architecture is to have "more" than sufficient shader power.
I highly doubt that AMD is going to nerf the card by having an independent shader domain.
Current rumors are talking about a +200mhz shader core, so the core runs at 850 and the shaders are running at 1050.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadESin
Hmm... Well theres:Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
4870X2 2GB (RV770X2) - $500
4870X2 1GB (RV770X2) - $450
4870 1GB (RV770) - $330
4870 512MB (RV770) - $280
4850 512MB(RV770) - $210
4850 256MB (RV770) - $180
4650 512MB (RV740) - $125
4650 256MB (RV740) - $115
4470 (RV710) - $99
4450 (RV710) - $80
3870X2 1GB (RV670X2) - $425
3870 1GB (RV670) - $225
3870 512MB (RV670) - $190
3850X2 1GB (RV670X2) - $299
3850 512MB (RV670) - $160
3850 256MB (RV670) - $130
3830 (128-Bit RV670) - $125
3650 (RV635) - $99
3470 (RV620) - $80
3450 (RV620) - $60
That should be about right. (Though, prices for HD 3xxx series are current prices and will most likely be cut when the HD 4xxx series comes out). The best buy will be the 4870 512MB GDDR5 (if they do end up using GDDR5).
Perkam
thats the one i wantQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
This one for me, but looking at the price, I think I'll need to wait for a price drop on that now :(
Stream Processors:
3870 - 320 @ 775 MHz
4870 - 480 @ 1050 MHz
4870 is 2.03 times as fast here.
TMUs:
3870 - 16 @ 775 MHz
4870 - 32 @ 850 MHz
4870 is 2.19 times as fast here
ROPs
3870 - 16 @ 775 MHz
4870 - 16 @ 850 MHz
4870 is 1.1 times faster here.
It should be a very fast card at a good price, I can't wait.
Actually I am hoping this bit of info from the TG Daily article is correct as well:Quote:
Originally Posted by Scimitar
I am hoping this makes a tangible difference, and that they can pull it off. This should be doable if the RV7xx architecture is slightly updated version of the RV6xx architecture.Quote:
New for the 4800 series is AMD’s decision to split the clock of the GPU and shaders, following a move that NVIDIA made with the GeForce 8800. The Radeon 4850 will debut with a GPU clocked at 650 MHz, while the shader array will be clocked 850 MHz. The 4870 has an 850 MHz core and a 1050 MHz shader clock.
That is assuming ATI really is hoping to catch up to the 8800GTX and 9800GTX decisively instead of offering the same or slightly lower performance at the slightly lower price tag, which is more beating around the bush in my opinion, and will only force them to do something drastic (like what happened with the R500 fiasco) in order to combat the GT-200.
To ATI's advantage is the fact that Nvidia is going through a process shrink that will require proper tweaking before perfection, not to mention their recent increase in rivalry with Intel in the chipset market. Thing about Nvidia, though is, its like a loyal horse galloping towards you, consistently at 100km/h, without fail. ATI is like a horse that will look better while it runs, but you never know when it might trip X(
Perkam
the release date should be tuesday?
There is also the 3690, then renamed & re-released as 3830.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
This Tuesday?Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
(well i'm guessing since you refer by day and not date)
I'll be stoked if it's out this soon :D
4870X2 2GB (RV770X2) - $500
Sweet :up:
sorry - by tuesday i ment thursday since its the 1st of the monthQuote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
ah :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
Still, that's very close :D
I've been dying for some high performance cards for crysis sandbox modding
That's not much more than a 9800gtx costs in the ukQuote:
Originally Posted by ANP !!!
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/d...html?s=9800gtx
The 4870x2 looks like a great option as a stopgap untill gt200
(if it's better)
I almost just want to get 2x 4870's, cause they are easier to watercool. That, and probably can achieve higher clocks (I would imagine that the extra PCB "breathing room" would be helpfull). I just hate that 2 1gb 4870's cost $100 more than the X2.Quote:
Originally Posted by ANP !!!
It would be sweet if they are released on thursday!
I just wonder how many people are going to be selling their 3870's as soon as they are released though :(
I'd like them to work with 3800 cards. Then I wouldn't feel a particular need to sell this one off when getting a 4850. Hypothetically that is.
I'd also like these 4k series to support software voltage adjustments again. Then getting a 4850 and putting a good CPU cooler on it would do just as well as a 4870 (I have a SI128 collecting dust).
I think with the price difference between the 4870 and 4850, I'll be seriously considering the 4850, particularly if Powercolor or another vendor can pull of an overclocked version of it.
Even if they work with the 3800 range, I really want to get rid of my Triplex now because I want a better brand.
the base of the cooler would be too be surely? perhaps Thermalright will bring out a HR-03 variant for itQuote:
Originally Posted by biohead
Triplex...I've never even heard of that brand before....:rolleyes:, you also mentioned it in your previous post, but then I thought you were talking about some kind of warranty (marketing) thingy from your current GPU brand.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
Yea, it cant really be a good brand when the first google search for Triplex 3870 brings up my review:Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmore
http://forums.hexus.net/graphics-car...hd-3870-a.html
Ive sent them two emails about the powerplay problems and got no reply (taiwan based lol).
Sapphire on the other hand put up a new bios on their forums fixing the powerplay problem (the card switches to 2D clocks and stays there lol).
Must get rid of it ....
It was nice at first, but the abscense of customer service is really bad.
I was really really considering buying thie following and selling of my triplex:
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...oductID=722240
But with the price on the 4850, I would rather wait for one of them now and see how it is. I wont be able to afford a 4870 as a sell and upgrade right away on launch, so hopefully the 4850 will be good. As long as it is better then what I have, it will be fine.
The only good thing about the triplex is its smaller zize, but, wait a minute, no crossfire connector in the box, nor that Juarez game either, and it was only £10 less then a known brand.
From now on, Sapphire, HIS, or Powercolor only lol.
The two upgrades I have just done went really well - £76 for the new ram, I got £80 for my old pairs, £44.50 for a second samsung T166, hopefully I will get £30 back for my old Maxtor.
I am looking to repeat this with the 4850 now :p
would be too be surely? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
and yea TR will probably re-release the HR-03 with half a heatpipe more or something. But normal aircoolers are dull, bent SI128 would win the e-peen contest.
dont forget to post it in the 'custom heatsink' thread ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by biohead
OTQuote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
Will do, lots of time after finals.
I've previously had a sonic tower and an NT06 on an x1900xt which i killed when putting on a custom mosfet heatsink. shame.
Came across this "thing" on the TT website. http://www.thermaltake.com/product/C.../cl-p0464.asp# Sometimes they've got pretty fun stuff when imagining about CPU heatsinks on GPUs. Normal DuOrbs are slim. This one's obese.
/OT
I'm hoping that Powercolor will have some custom cooled cards again available from launch on the 4800's so that I dont need to bother with paying more for a seperate cooler.
That duo orb is one hawt HSF o.O
My Silent Knight 2 is obsolete lol.
CH : RV770XT samples out :
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=268409
:up: .
What is the difference between the RV770pro and RV770XT?
4850 and 4870?
yepp. Pro and XT would've been the names following the old naming scheme.
xx70 = XT
xx50 = Pro
hmmm, so a good idea would be to upgrade to the cheap 4850 on release, then upgrade to Crossfire X with the 4870 later on in the year.
(And wait impatiently for a budget 2x 16x PCI-E board for crossfire)
dunno, but is it possible that the HD-4870 will get slowed down by the HD-4850? if this is true buying another HD-4850 would make more sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
budget board with two physical x16-slots? I don't believe we will see something like this anytime soon (only if you consider ~130 Euro as budget). next stop is P45 and this one's got "only" two x8-slots in CF-mode.
I don't know yet which card I'll buy... haven't played much the last few months :( but I definately need a new card as my X1950 Pro has become to slow to power my 22" WS. are there any cool games coming out soon? the only one I know is Mafia 2 which is quite far away...
Snip, nevermind, benchmarks = confusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by FischOderAal
The first ones I saw showed good performance from a mixed 3850 and 3870, but this one shows it is bad:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/663/4/
I'm going to hunt for the one I saw a couple of weeks ago....
In some games like bioshock though, there is very little difference:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/663/6/
But in a lot of games there is a big difference.
Drivers game is played every time new cards come out, so when the dust settles, yea you have similar performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
My problem with this is, ATI was supposed to use the 4870 to pre-empt the 9900...by releasing earlier they are not doing that anymore 0_o
Perkam
Um...did you mean what you just said? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Any news on rumored release dates? Looking for the 1GB 4870X2.
this thursdayQuote:
Originally Posted by Buck47
Isn't it to early? Have you got a reliable source of that information?Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
But if so, it would be awesome.
I'm looking foward the hd4870 :yepp:
Aparantly though, someone said that the 4870 will be out a month later then the 4850.
I think we are going to get GDDR3 4850's first in May, then the GDDR5 version and the 4870 in June.
I will be wanting to wait for the GDDR4 version of course. Hopefully I will get some monies on my birthday in may and will be able to get the 4870 XD
somewhere in this thread it said 1st may. and thats thursday :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Genius_pt
How reliable :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
We shall see. Yesterday Scan had the Powercolor 3850 extreme (720/1800) on offer for just Ģ69.99 and I was sooooo tempted to just get it and go crossfire with me 3870 instead. But my PC spoke and told me NOOOOOOO!!!! 4870 PLEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
:p
Nice to see such an early release date! They have probably started to ship uints of 4850s around by this time!
not going to happen though, at best we'd perhaps some solid info, but with the ati and nvidia have been lately don't expect to see what the official specs and benchmarks are until a week or two before launch once the chinese sites start benching the cards and public info is given outQuote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
Nobody here said they're going to be released on thrusday...Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
The R600 was released "early" at places like Ebay around May 10, 2007. We will see if the same will happen with the R700.