easy to do a continuity check with a meter to see if it has no resistance.
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easy to do a continuity check with a meter to see if it has no resistance.
do you know how to unlock the extra 2mb on Alandale ? or the multiplyer ? witch ar the pins ? or maybe a 400 mhz fsb :D (i'm just asking.... i think it's posible... but don't know how.)
It's impossible.
Is it possible to go from L to H by isolating the pad? Or is it the other way arround?
It would be much easier to transform a Dacia into a Bentley.Quote:
Originally Posted by ediflorianus
At least you won't need to fuse back micron-size blown logic gates or to add extra 2MBs of L2 cache (newer cores are no longer cache-crippled Conroes).
Nevertheless, you're free to dream about it, it's in your rights.
What are the stepping codes or box numbers to look for in a good overclocker for the E6300 or E6600 if I was to go out today and get one? I here a lot of people talking about new revisions not OC'n as high. Will this pin mod do anything for that as well?
Also for overclocking on ASUS I have the older P5W-DH w/ 4pin ATX +12v but wondered if the P5B Deluxe w/ 8 pin EATX +12v is any more stable for high FSB OC of Core 2's.
Any input please!!!
Nothing happen to my E6300 too :I eventho I redo it 2 times... My P5K still show 266fsb... I've tried resetting cmos and even let it dry for few hrs... same result... Will test my conductive paint when I got time...Quote:
Originally Posted by JMKS
Someone? Really want to know, but i don't have the hardware to test it right now :(Quote:
Originally Posted by bassie
If you are using graphite instead of conductive paint, that may be the problem. Conductive paint is a short and graphite would be a resistance.
What kind of paint is conductive? Where can you buy it?Quote:
Originally Posted by megatron
Circuit Writer (I got mine from radioshack.com)Quote:
Originally Posted by Raptor22
Also a repair kit for heated rear windows in a car, its called a defogger repair kit where I come from.
1333 Mod works just fine on the Asus P5K Deluxe.
tested it today with my Q6600 and E6300.
it boots everytime, at 1333.
Kunaak do you need to reset the cmos? I've test my conductive paint and it's working... Something is wrong with my chip...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
do test for continuity once applied as well guys :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
a question begs to be answered now;)...does it help any with the overclock on the P5K...i understood on a previous board you were able to raise your FSB by 16 Mhz...does it do the same for your P5K???
nope, I am well beyond the point where alittle ink is gonna do any miracles for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
currently sitting at 8 x 475 for 3.8 ghz, on air cooling.
hard to imagine this mod would improve that at all, since I am well above what quad cores usually do on air already.
in my case, theres just little to no room for improvement.
thanks for the answer.:)
Hello everybody,
That's my first post in this nice forum :cool:
Sorry for my bad english:(
Take a keen interest in BSEL 266MHz mod for my E2140.
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/583...6mhzmodjm8.jpg
My question is what do You think about that picture? Is it true? Is it work on E2140?
Try it and see...
It's work :D Now on default is 266x8. Overclock stable result: 335x8 with Gigabyte 945GCMX-S2 rev. 6.6 bios F4:banana:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/272/allsg6.th.jpg
Thats a nice 1GHz for FREE :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by MuTkO
this wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_drain and the pentium d spec sheet suggest you guys might be using the wrong voltage for the L -> H modsQuote:
Originally Posted by wikipedia
I apologize if this has already been answered. I searched through this thread and wasn't able to find the exact answer I was looking for.
I currently have an E6700 overclocked to 3.5GHz (350MHz X 10 Multi) on 1.4375V (Asus P5W64 Pro)
I know that Asus recently released new bios to allow for the 1333 fsb on this board so I am thinking about attempting this mod. My question, if I go from 1066 to 1333, will I see a performance increase?
I am trying to crunch the numbers and figure with the mod, I will boot up on cleared cmos to around 3.3GHz (on 10 Multi) and may be able to push it from there. I know, every chip is different but what I really want to know is if this mod is allowing people to raise the fsb ceiling or should I expect to get around 3.5GHz Stable again?
Sorry about the thought process going on here. It is late and I just got activated. Been waiting to ask this question for a little while. Also, the price drops around the Intel world are tempting for the Quad's.
Any help with my questions are greatly appreciated.
Nick
it doesn't seem to be all that useful to boards that already overclock quite well ;P
you may or may not see an improvement in your overclock, if you do it'll probably be slight, and you won't see any performance difference at the same clock speed (although i'm not sure if this has been well tested along a range of motherboards... and to be honest.. if there is any performance difference it'll be for a lower performance at the same clock speed after the mod, based on the loose theory that raising the default fsb setting will loosen some internal timings in the chipset. but i can't really confirm if that will happen, or what boards it might happen on.).
but umm, if you try it, would you be willing to try it out using Vtt instead of Vcc to raise BSEL2 to see if it works ;D?
the original mod, red, raises BSEL2 to Vcc. the mod i'm suggesting, in blue, raises it to Vtt. Vcc and Vtt are similar on most motherboards, and Vcc has worked for a lot of people, but the pentium d spec sheet i looked at suggests that Vtt is the 'correct' voltage to use.
Why do you use a pentium d data sheet? This mod is used for core 2 duo(quad) so whu dont you look at a core 2 duo(quad) data sheet?Quote:
Originally Posted by hollo
And if i look at the c2d datasheet, this is what i see
FSB Frequency Select Signals (BSEL[2:0])
The BSEL[2:0] signals are used to select the frequency of the processor input clock(BCLK[1:0]). Table 17 defines the possible combinations of the signals and thefrequency associated with each combination. The required frequency is determined bythe processor, chipset, and clock synthesizer. All agents must operate at the samefrequency.The Intel Core2 Duo desktop processors E6850, E6750, E6550, and E6540 operate at1333 MHz (selected by the 333 MHz BCLK[2:0] frequency). The Intel Core2 Duo desktop processors E6700, E6600, E6420, E6400, E6320, and E6300 operate at 1066 MHz (selected by the 266 MHz BCLK[2:0] frequency). The Intel Core2 Extreme processor X6800 operates at a 1066 MHz FSB frequency (selected by a 266 MHz BCLK[1:0] frequency). The Intel Core2 Duo desktop processors E4500, E4400 and E4300 operate at a 800 MHz FSB frequency (selected by a 200 MHz BCLK[1:0]
frequency).
Nothing about vtt.
either should work. it's relative voltage sense only
I'm assuming that vtt is the proper way to do it then
sorry ziddey, i deleted a post ;D
bassey - i will test it as soon as i can borrow a multimeter by overvolting Vcc on my friend's pentium d 805, but the pentium d datasheet says the BSEL pads should be brought to Vtt, while the core 2 duo sheet says nothing, so i expect it will be Vtt.
Are there any mods to raise the multi for E63? I imagine they would work for any C2D.
no way jose
i just did the vtt method and works fine on dfi p965-s.
sweet. ok i just thought of another little problem... check out post #12 here http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=111510
the pin mod described shorts a BSEL H and a BSEL L to create two BSEL Ls. according to wikipedia an open-drain output should work like that (ie if you have a string of open-drain outputs on a single line then the voltage line will stay high until one of them is brought low, at which point the line will become low). but there have been quite a few mods done by shorting a BSEL L with a Vcc to bring them both high, some of which worked. they might have just worked 'despite' the ground in the circuit because the Vcc pins overwhelmed the small circuit, since they're power supply pads, while the BSEL pads are for a low current sensor circuit. perhaps what needs to be done to bring a BSEL from L to H 'properly' is to insulate the pad, then paint over it with conductive paint, so that there's no ground/BSEL L in the circuit. i think some people have already picked up on this idea from what i read in other threads. does anyone who had no luck the first time feel like trying it again with an insulator + Vtt ;D?
Quote:
Originally Posted by o2bme
So has anyone tried yet?
I will be doing the BSEL Mod on my Q6600 when my conductive Ink pen gets here on the 30th:)
I recently tested this mod on my E6600 about 2 weeks ago, and it worked perfectly, I am using a BFG Nforce 680i SLI board. I was able to OC to 3.6 on Air. I traded my processor in for a Q6600, and tried the mod and it wouldn't boot past POST, It would show that im running at 1333FSB, but it wouldn't go to look for any drives and such. I took the mod off and tried to OC it the normal way, It will not let me OC it to 1333 FSB, it will always restart when its about to load windows. I have tried upping the Voltage to 1.7 and it still does the same thing. I have a crappy power supply though, its a CoolerMaster 500watt. And it doesn't have the 8 pin connecter this board uses im only using 4 pins, is that the reason, I am not being able to boot right, cause the quad is trying to use alot more power then this Small PSU can handle. I in no way mean to hi-jack this thread. I just find it pointless to start a new one. If anyone could help that would be great.
Awsome Mod non the less good find.
does it post and then boot using default settings for everything in the bios?
Personally, I would get rid of that power supply and try a new one. I don't know anything about yours in particular but if you think it is poor then investing in a good one is just good insurance for all of your parts. Get a new one, try this all again and still if nothing, try a new motherboard. Of course it is up to you but this is what i would do.Quote:
Originally Posted by |-Goku-|
Quote:
Originally Posted by |-Goku-|
don't jump on the bandwagon with a new PSU right away...there are a couple of things need to be looked at prior to doing that!
1st of all, i ran abit's QuadGT board with a Q6600 (overclocked) and my Antec 400W power supply that had just one 4 pin 12V ATX plug....
you need to verify that you have the correct bios installed to work with a Quad core...then you need to clear CMOS and take the battery out for about five minutes...make sure the 20 or 24 pin ATX power cord is unplugged...if this PSU has only a 20 pin ATX power cord then you might need a 20-to-24 pin adapter to make the board work correctly with Quad core.
that is it for now...we should probably move this to a new thread specifically for you...it is appropriate for your situation....this has nothing to do with the 1333 FSB mod.
i dont think its a power problem since it can load the bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by |-Goku-|
i had such a problem when i connected my friends HDD to my PC, the bios identified my friends HDD as being a master and so each time win was about to load it restarted, when i set my HDD to be the master through the bios win. started well.
yea i know its different but w i mean is that the problem is then not caused by ure system but by windows, since my friend had a P3 and i had a PD it was a major change for win when he found so much hardware change so that maybe ure problem too go back to original config, back up the files u need, overclock then reinstall windows that may help but i cant assure it:shrug:
K Started a New Thread http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=154720
okay I just read through this thread and I am completely confused.........
Other then Kunaak trying a mod on his CPU and it working.
Does this apply for all qcore chips?
Has someone tried this in a EVGA 680I board?
What is the potential for the mod going wrong?
Has someone tried this on a QX6700?
I am willing to give it a go on my 680I and QX6700 & X6800
i am, one, not successful with my Q6600 getting to work at 1333 Mhz ...could have been my boards bios wasn't ready but i've given up on the idea since the IP35 Pro can give me high FSB without it...i've been up to 495 FSB stable at 7X.
I've been trying to do this mod for a few days now but I can't find any conductive ink anywhere. I've tried radioshack, autozone, CVS, walgreens, and some hobby shop where these weirdos get off to friggen model planes/trains at. Next stop is Wal-mart where hopefully they have a rear window car defrost/defogger repair kit.
I've got one of those E6400's that absolutely brickwalls at 470mhz FSB. Tried 3 boards, fully modded every board, tried -15*C ambients on a decent water cooling setup and I can't break 470mhz FSB no matter what (6x, 7x, 8x multi too.)
E6400 L624A (but a B2 stepping chip...) on a TP35D2-A7, 2x512MB Ballistix PC8000, 7600GT, water cooled cpu only, 80mm rocket fans sitting on top of the board over everything (mosfets, ram, NB, SB ect ect.)
Is it possible to do the mod with AS5 instead of conductive ink? Only problem I see with it is that it takes forever for AS5 to dry (blow dryer could speed up the drying process?)
Anyone try this mod with a SLACR?
I think I will give it a go when my G0 arrives, can let you know then.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hutch
it won't work with AS5..forget that one!
Tried the mod the other night to no success. I'm gonna try later to make a better connection, the conductive pen was extremely watery at first.
Just tried the front page mod with my G0 Q6600. No effect in my Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P =(
(and yes it's silver conductive ink not AS5 lol)
This worked perfectly on my MSI P6N Diamond board with the Q6600 (B3 stepping). It didn't give me any additional headroom for my overclock, still stuck at 2.73ghz on that POS board. On a happy note, the same CPU runs at 3.13ghz on my Asus P5K Deluxe.
You do get a 2-3% performance boost by having the 1333mhz bus vs 1066mhz, according to the review here:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...duo-e6850.html
They show the identically clocked 1333mhz and 1066mhz CPUs and the 1333mhz wins in every benchmark by 1-4%. I really can't explain why, I mean there's a bit more bandwidth there, but we're not talking anything earth-shattering. You'd be better off to overclock everything to 1333mhz and get the benefit of lower latency and more bandwidth with your overclocked memory than just running the higher FSB alone. I guess to each his/her own though. :)
where are your specs so we can see your cpu and other hardware?
Clock the same cpu to 333mhz and drop the multi to the same as the native 1333mhz FSB cpu and it'll outperform the E6850/E6750/E6550. It will run at a tighter chipset strap, depending on the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by baron_iv
is thier a 800 or 1066 fsb pin mod for a pent 805 d ?? would love to do it !!
has anyone try pin mod Q6600 to 1333 on DFI P965 and had oc benefit?
not worked on my asus commando bios 1404 + e43
it is proved my Q6600 is successed to pin modded to 1333 and workable on DFI P965 dark, still testing on any benefit out of it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Khapz
My E4300 does 9x333 no bother at ~1.4V and has been to 390 (Vc=1.55, Damper Enabled, Vpll=1.7, on a Peltier) but wont boot with the 1333 BSEL. On P5K BIOS 414 so that may be the cause...Quote:
Originally Posted by lionheart
Mod is working on my E6400 + Biostar TP35D2-A7.
anyone ever do it with a pencil?
Stock Dell Vostro 200 mini tower - $220 cost after selling monitor
Included...
- E4300 @ 1.8ghz (800fsb)
- Dell branded FoxConn MOBO
- PCIE 16x slot
- PCIE 1x slot
- 2 PCI slots
- 1GB Ram (2x512)
- 80GB HDD
- DVD ROM
- Case w/ 300W PSU
- Mouse
- Keyboard
Peformed 1333 FSB Mod and 1.4 Vmod on CPU, results below
:welcome:
Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollo
I have a 200FSB Intel E2140. I have to switch 200->266. So I have to change BSEL1 from H to L.
Is it correct in your opinion to link directly BSEL1 and VSS, or do you think it's better to apply previously tape on BSEL1? Or other manner...
Thank you. (i send you also a PM).
hmmm... I wonder... will it be possible to mod the 1333mhz chips to 1600mhz once the 1600mhz chipsets/bios' come out?
You OCed a Dell, right on!Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSoMo
i have a E2140, all is great, but my ram can't handle my FSB anymore. the lowest memory divider on my abit ip35-e is 1:1, if i jump to 1066 or 1333 would i get a new set of memory dividers.
1:1 is the lowest the p35 supports. and 1:1 is only in 333strap. 266strap starts with 4:5. 200strap starts with 3:5.
ok so i'm done with until i get new ram
memory divider or strap is a NB or MCH controlled issue...it will be separate to your FSB bus or system bus which is controlled by your CPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by jkabaseball
the IP35 should avail you to two 1333 mhz memory straps...those are 1:1 and 1:1.20...the next two are 1066 memory straps shown in the below image.
Indeed, 1.8 -> 3.0 isn't bad for a $200 machineQuote:
Originally Posted by Raptor22
Check out my desktop, slightly scaled down from the 5200px wide it is. I know, the right monitor's image is off a little, but ya can't tell when viewing it.
http://www.goldammo.com/desktop.jpg
cool
[First of all, sorry for digging this thread up.] Scratch that, I just realized I'm digging a thread with the last post made 4 days ago... lol :p: :rolleyes: :slap: :am:
Ok, after reading the whole thread, I've got some questions I have some questions I would like to have answered, if you don't mind.
The first one has to do with the subject discussed in post #326 (here), confirmed working a couple of posts after. So, my question is: could the "VTT" mod provide a workaround to the boards that don't recognize the "VCC" mods (most notably, A LOT of Gigabyte boards)? Or that is really a BIOS problem, not a mod one?
Now, for the other question. I have a 775i945GZ ASRock board (there... I know, only for a small server, and that's what it's doing right now), with 2GB 533MHz DDR2 memory (maxed out... :rofl:) and an 805. Custom cooling with a Thermaltake Sonic Tower plus a XL2 Noiseblocker fan. I have seen here some BSEL mods to try out. I'd like to try them out, but but I don't know if 1) my PCI/PCI-E lock would like the 166 setting (the guy from the last link had a problem with an 865G-based mobo) and 2) the mod would be recognized by the board.
Also, do you think the 200MHz "lock-friendly" setting would also need the Voltage mod?
I don't mean to highjack the thread. If you think I should start a new one, please do tell me.
Lastly, could you please point me out (or make one... :D) to a "BSEL mod" guide for Socket 775 CPUs, with pictures for EVERY strap? I have found a Voltage guide somewhere, but BSEL mods only appear for 1066 and 1333MHz, and you have to dig somewhat hard for them...
Thank you in advance.
Cheers.
Miguel
P.S.: Oh, I almost forgot. What would happen if you modded a board to, say, the 1066MHz setting (so you don't have to mod the CPU), and dropped a 1066MHz CPU in it?
Gross... why would anyone "do it" with a pencil? :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by the highlander
I did Vcc pinmod to my E6400 and its working!
Is there a pin-mod for E2140?
800 -> 1066
or
800 -> 1333
interested in seeing a 1600mhz mod.
Asking me? Or just saying "i wont to see a 1600 mod"Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
So this pin mod is confirmed to work with the E4300? (Just to clarify)
I'm looking for a yes or no answer. Thanks.
I remember reading somewhere in this thread this mod also works with 800MHz CPUs. They do need the 1066MHz mod first, though, because this one is only for 1066-to-1333MHz FSB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nate P.
Do keep in mind, though, that your E4300 MUST be able to POST at default voltages at 1333MHz for this mod to actually work, and that can be a little hard.
Also to keep in mind is the fact that not every motherboard and/or chipset accept BSEL manipulation. 690G for Intel doesn't seem to like it (at least on the ASRock board), and ALL Gigabyte boards are immune to BSEL manipulation: they either don't even POST or do a standard-FSB POST, even with the mod.
Cheers.
Miguel
P.S.: Sorry for disapointing you, but there really isn't a yes or no answer on that question.
Uh a 1333 E2140 would be a nice thing :D
Actually, I've seen somewhere (another forum, perhaps) a 1600MHz FSB E2140, with only a 0.05v or 0.1v (don't recall correctly, sorry) boost over stock voltage. So that's not too shaby.Quote:
Originally Posted by nullface
Oh, and please keep in mind that, unless you have specific reasons for BSEL-modding (like your mobo not supporting OC or having trouble with certain memory ratios with some FSBs), you'll probably be better out without it, since if you don't have those problems, it is all too likely your motherboard will OC the CPU to where you want it with no BSEL mods needed.
Cheers.
Miguel
well im hoping that my quadgt will work with the 1333 strap this way. just have to get some conductive ink to try it.Quote:
Originally Posted by __Miguel_
Yes, that's also a valid reason for the BSEL mod. However, I was under the impression that the strap change was automatic (meaning as soon as the CPU hit the 333MHz mark, the strap would change).Quote:
Originally Posted by Der_KHAN
Though I have to admit I don't really understand the mechanics and insides of OC'ing (especially considering that anything equal or above 333MHz is "serious OC" on my book... hehehe)
lol, i did the 1333 mod and, what can i say ... it didn't exactly work out :ROTF:
... using the ab9 quadgt (P965) with bios 16, which should allow the use of fsb1333 cpus.
[edit] mod looks ok though, not very clean, but the multimeter says it should work.
Hmmm... what kind of CPU are you trying to get to 1333MHz? The mod should work for 1066-to-1333MHz jumps ONLY. If you have an 800MHz CPU, then you'll also have to apply the 1066MHz mod.
And it could be that the QuadGT does not like BSEL mods (like the Gigas), or simply that the BIOS is simply not ready/mature yet.
Cheers.
Miguel
E6600. the one in my sig.Quote:
Originally Posted by __Miguel_
The only two reasons I find for that to happen are an incorrectly executed mod (not enough conductivity) or some sort of BIOS incompatibility with 1333MHz FSB CPUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Der_KHAN
Cheers.
Miguel
You made a dual tualatin... good job... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Der_KHAN
Or the mod could be wrong and changing the wrong pad from H to L or vice-versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by __Miguel_
for 800mhz FSB Core 2s...
see post #160, #263, and #361 for 1333FSB
see post #83 for 1066FSB
So much for searching :clap:
yeah, pretty cool huh? :hrhr:Quote:
Originally Posted by Raptor22
pics ?? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nullface
thanks ^^
Hmmm, just a quick question, if I may. How hard is it to remove conductive ink? How do you do it? And, does it leave residues?
Oh, right, those are three questions, not one... :p: If youdon't mind, though... :rolleyes:
Thanks in advance.
Miguel
...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
water and a qtip to scrub would even remove the ink enough
Thanks guys!
I'm considering trying a BSEL mod on my E4300, since I have an ASRock mobo who REALLY doesn't like being messed with (it simply resets itself every time I try o OC even 1MHz... weird...), so I think I'll try the mod. A little more juice wouldn't be all that bad :p:
Now, were did I put my Yellow Pages? hehehe
Cheers.
Miguel
Heyla kunaak, great job :)
The nice thing is that this mod is the only way to get any new shuttle SP35P2 to work over 333 fsb (due to some crap ram dividers beeing used at default fsb... you can't get the 1:1 dividers).
If it's possible, could you explain a little bit easier how the make the mod? i didn't get so much, i have to work on the cpu or on the socket itself? from pics of the cpu, what should i do exactly? remove that pin or just using something else?
Sorry for dumb question but i would like to be sure before killing anything :D
Thank you in prior man :)
As someone once said, there are no dumb questions, just dumb answers. That's even more true when component life expectancy is at stake... heheQuote:
Originally Posted by devilmc
I know I'm not kunaak, but I know you work on the CPU itself, not on the motherboard. You take the CPU, flip it so the golden connectors are visible, orient it as the mod pic shows and then, if the mod/modder says "pad this connector", you put some duck tape on it; if it says "connect these connectors", you simply have to use conductive ink to trace a line between the connectors.
Hope this helps.
Cheers.
Miguel
it's so easy i just need to use a conductive pen, the problem is to find it in my town oh yeah :D
Might be easier to find a Rear windscreen defogger repair kit, in a car garage. It might not be called the same thing in the USA as in the UK.
Hi,
am new in this forum. Pls. I will like to know if the vcore volt has to be increased too. Am currently running Q6600 @3.26Ghz watercooled Asus P5N-E SLI, with 4Gb OCZ Crossfire DDR2 800. What are your temp. like and how stable is your rig? My last question is what make of conductive pen did you use or can one i use a pencil for this mod so that if it doesn´t work i can easily wipe the lead off.
The CPU has to be stable at whatever speed the pin mod puts it at, at stock votage. i don't think a pencil will work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shocker003