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Wait before u come to conclusions... ;)
@Tony...if we (enthusiast community) were to e-mail the companies and ask for more BIOS options, would they listen to us if there were enough voices?
Cheers, and thanks for the effort you`re making :)
Kenny
I'm confused, have just started my intel overclocking,
At 400x8 with one stick of crap ram, I am getting 19second in 1M superpi
At 425x8 I'm getting 18
I thought the strap would lower my performance?
The strap theory isn't so cut/dry. Depending on your setup (BIOS Settings and Hardware) it will change at different places I've found.
it does. at 1066 strap the spi time at 425*8 would be alot better (test it by booting at 1066 strap and then overclocking to 425FSB by clockgen)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vito
the strap lowers and the FSB boosts the speed. at one point the spi time at 1333 strap is quicker than on the " 8*400@1066 " spi time
tell us your rig specs and what memory settings are you using.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vito
Quote:
Originally Posted by Psyire
just like a woman
It lowers the RAM performance, but you still have 200MHz more in the 2nd test, so the advantage comes from that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vito
No it changes at the same spot every time, its hard coded to do soQuote:
Originally Posted by Psyire
I already asked for you all, so we wait and see. I also know of a new board coming that has 1333 and a ton of bios tweaks...and its not badaxe2 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by K404
is it equiped with a intel chipset?:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Hi folks,some one got the Multiplier working on 20x (x6800)
if it has 1333 strap it pretty much will be yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Snorro
Tony, stop teasing us, at least some hint pls ! :D
More info...http://www.thetechrepository.com/sho...18&postcount=3
I decided to spend a big chunk of this afternoon researching, it seems i965 has some nice advantages over i975 ;)
More soon
T
Great info as allways BT! :clap:
Should have waited a bit longer instead of buying now :(
actually Vito, the P5B Dlx is a very good board.
The rumor is mid december for new boardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Vito
Tony, are you talking about this? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
ASUS ROG Intel Edition Striker Extreme Mainboard
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9170/1yb4.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8098/2uk4.png
just to add more fuel to the fire about 965 over 975, this is a quote from the Intel product overview for the 965 chipset:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
now notice the absence of the bold print for the 975 product overview:Quote:
1066/800/533 MHz System Bus Supports:
Intel® Core™2 Duo processor, Intel® Pentium® D processor, Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor with Hyper-Threading Technology (HT Technology)†, and all other Intel® Pentium processors and Intel® Celeron® processors in the LGA775 socket, with scalability for future processor innovations.
http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/p965/index.htm
Quote:
1066-/800-MHz System Bus Supports:
Intel® Core™2 Extreme processor, Intel® Core™2 Duo processor, Intel® Pentium® processor Extreme Edition and Intel® Pentium® D processor to deliver higher performance for games and applications.
http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/975x/index.htm
Copper tubing sales must be pretty good these days...:DQuote:
Originally Posted by mnemonik23
no I was not, its not an asus based board ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mnemonik23
i680 looks pretty slick, chipset runs hot though so we are going to see a lot watercooling it.
I've yet to see a chipset that requires wc'ing. However there is a first time for everything... :p:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
just like a woman, hard coded as well
hi all, pardon me for jumping in
Im curious bout this strap thing. Mr. Tony said that 400fsb has an added tweak. I already have bios settings that quite stable (SPI 32M & 3DMark 2005) @470 with P5B-D & E6300, and when i tried to boot @400 and clock it way up to 470 it seems there werent any improvement at all. I mean it gave me the same result as if i booted from 470fsb. But then i tried to boot @399 but it was very2 hard to keep it stable.
Any idea guys?
-tam2-
Quote:
Originally Posted by tam2
yup, the strap is already set a 400, the reason the board clocks so high is because of the looser timings past 400, which is why when you boot at 399 its hard to keep stable.
Not 400 / 401 MHz? I saw it in many tests that strap switches at 401MHz (i.e. peformance @401 is lower than @400).Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
Are most people using the 0804 bios? I am having an issue trying to use 4 SATA hard drives, and I am using the 0614 bios. Thinking this may help the issue.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ridczak
i never tested personally but if he is clocking up to 470 from 400 then he is definetly on the higher strap already... unless hes got some high end vmch cooling with lots of volts.
With 1066 strap (<400fsb and raise by windows) you can reach about 480-490.The differences are quite noticable..
what MCH volts are you using for that Deadlock? I cant remember exactly, but clockgenning past the 400 mark didnt get me anything like as far as that, 415? 425?
Quote:
Originally Posted by deadlock7
Thats pretty hard to do without modded vmch for most...are you watercooled?
Hmm..that's strange.I had two mobos that both do this.I used vmch 1.65 and did 32M at 485.I didn't gain a lot with vmch mod..Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
EDIT:I use the stock cooling at mch with ceramique.
Up to 440 with CG for me, not a mhz more. Unmodded board.
thanks for the headsup then guys :)
oh...FWIW... my MCH voltage undervolts by 0.05 compared to BIOS (no mods....yet)
And only 1:1 in me case, 4:5 is a no go. I remember i read somewhere this could be a certain mem timing but i cannot find the post anymore... Anyone?
Give us a memset screenshot to help..
Off course i use pcie at 118(no more because i get raid corruption) that helps a lot.
the 4:5 divider on the P5B is a mess. I cant get it to play above 440x8 or 445x7, think its a board thing
PCI-E frequency helps FSB clocking?! I never thought of that! DOH.....Quote:
Originally Posted by deadlock
Are u sure that your memory can play around 550?I don't have problems with 5:4 either..:stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by K404
Try it..;)Quote:
PCI-E frequency helps FSB clocking?! I never thought of that! DOH.....
My RAM is good to 590-600 ;)
A number of others have had trouble with 4:5, think theres a few other posts in this thread about it.
450+ 4:5 might be more work than e.g.
500+ 1:1
380+ 2:3 etc????
I`ll definately try the PCI-E frequency, thanks for the idea, no clue why I didnt make the connection! :D
Tried 4:5 with PCI-E at 115, couldnt CG past 415 :(. Will try 1:1 in a bit, hope that does better
Yeah and it's boosts nicely when you boot under 400FSB (1066)Quote:
Originally Posted by deadlock7
We booted up with 398FSB and benched @ 533FSB :D
Strap change exactly on 401MHz. :)
Straight boot with 423MHz:
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7...t423mhzew2.jpg
Boot with 401MHz, pushed with SetFSB to 423MHz:
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2...upto423lm1.jpg
Boot with 400MHz, pushed with SetFSB to 423MHz:
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/178...upto423yy9.jpg
My first P5B did 465MHz without mods on 1066 strap, but i'm on watercooling.
Quote:
Originally Posted by K404
yup here it is
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=122155
So, the Abit AW9D-MAX, has strap options :'(
Is this the board you were talking about tony?
Will there ever be a strap option for P5B?
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...w9d_max/1.html
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vito
The abit has a 1066 strap IIRC, but no 1333.
sorry. late comer to this thread but...
are you saying that the reason why the p5b is clocking so well is actually a possible 1600 strap, rather than the 1333 strap?
and also... where is the switch occurring?
from what it looks like it happens between 400 and 401, is this correct?
so if i boot up at 400 and i clockgen up then i'll be using the 1066 strap.
if i boot up at 401 and i clockgen up then i'll be using the 1333 strap or 1600??? :)
thanks!
We will have software soon with strap detection, this will show us exactly what is happening.
I have a feeling they are using both 1333 and 1600 straps
spot on. Maybe for clockgen clocking, try booting at 395, just to be sure. When I first got the board, booting between 398 and 402 was a write-off for me, was like a no-mans land, tho I think more MCH volts helpQuote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
hey guys I am new to this whole OC system but I am a techie in general, got P5B deluxe + Zalman water cooling and e6600... the RAM is just standard 667 PNY 2gb in dual channel...
I am learning a lot about overclocking but there are some basics im missing what exactly is this strap?? I know the FSB is standard at 1066... I wanna play around with this monster computer I have here...
So can u guys toss me some links to get up to par? this thread is very interesting from what I can understand tho :)
you mean systool ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...ol_timings.png
169 tRFC lol
Yeah Systool a bit off i'd say LOL
yupQuote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Hi,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
I found mchbaredit in this thread? How to use it? What change exactly? And Which register?
Thx
What are the two mobo temperatures that the Systool is showing? The other one seems rather high on mine, somewhere around 60 degrees celsius...
Hey guys, just wanted to add somethign on the fly, I`m using a P5B-E, with E-6400 and some noname Apacer 667 5-5-5-15 memory.
I`ve tried overclocking my rig in every possible way, disabling everything, to no avail. Leaving the memory at AUTO and the FSB at 333 even resulted in the memory running at 814 MHz, wird thing, 6 GBps mem read...
So... I set 6-6-6-18 for maximum chance of ocing, it wouldn`t boot at FSB 333. Set the timings for the 667 mem to 5-5-5-15, FSB 400, and voila, it is working!!! Lowered all the voltages and it is still working! At almost mininum. SO did the chipset not like the loose timings? DId teh mem not like it? Dunno... But one thing is sure: i couldn`t OC at 6-6-6-18 and i can now at 5-5-5-15.
Cheers!
My BIOS wouldnt entertain 6-6-6 AT ALL...took a complete CMOS clear to fix it. Maybe the board doesnt like the number of the beast
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by K404
Anyone else having problems cold booting over 500 ???
(1 Long beep with 3 shorts ones)
I think it has something to do with PCIe (set at 96Mhz). When it occurs the 1X issue is almost certain to happen, then also if I up the VCore it will boot but no odds on 1X showing up.
AMI Beep code list says its a memory error but my timings, mem voltage and whatnot don't effect it at all.
Its o.k. right now, but I really want it fixed. Also, is there a performance hit running PCIe at 96Mhz???
it seems related to the CPU temparature.... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by china
Even after logging in, I can't read this. Gives me, "You don't have permission..."
http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23803
this started out to be such an informative thread.... Now, ..... :(
:cool:
That's because the OCZ support forum was moved...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jodiuh
Here you go : http://www.bleedinedgesupport.com/oc...ad.php?t=23803
Can we get a general summary?
400Mhz FSB at stock multiplier (disregarding X6800 and QX6700) along with the highest memory speed possible = best performance unless you can go 500Mhz +?
Tony, I have noticed that you mentioned that the northbridge straps have an affect on memory performance and limitations. I feel like I have gotten a pretty good grasp on this whole concept, but I am still confused on how northbridge latencies affect memory performance and how high memory can clock. The northbridge's FSB is calculated by the CPU's FSB and multiplier, not the memory...
Thanks!
Intel architecture means the Mem controller is integrated inside the chipset/northbridge. If that isn't clear enough, Chipset is the bridge for Data to transfer back and forth between memory and CPU (most important linkage) , so NB latencies affect the whole system stability.
ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Blknoel
dang i cant opened that link, i registered and everything...
http://www.bleedinedgesupport.com/oc...ad.php?t=23803Quote:
Originally Posted by stunning
When I run MemTest86 (V 3.2), I get significantly higher bandwidths than what Tony's tests are showing...
FSB CPU Speed Memory Bandwidth (MB/s)
266 2394 15,684
270 2430 15,925
280 2520 16,468
290 2610 17,056
300 2700 17,645
310 2790 18,233
320 2880 18,821
330 2970 19,409
340 3060 19,997
350 3150 20,585
360 3240 21,174
370 3330 21,762
380 3420 22,350
390 3510 22,938
400 3600 23,526
hi to all! i'm Ruben from italy. I have a p5b deluxe and two 250gb sata2. I would like to know where to connect those hd. I know that there are difference between red and black connector. I would like to know also how to set sata on bios and which driver install. i have read of ahci but i don't understand very well what is it. thank you for your help and sorry for my bad english
Guys I'm just trying to get beyond the 3,01mhz with my P5B vanilla board. Just need help. THis is all confusing!!!! .
Fan Arctic cooling freezer 7
Look here
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?i...galore4zz1.jpg
my 24/7 settings
BIOS:
FSB 500MHz
RAM 1:1 @ 1000MHz
CPU Voltage: 1.450V ~ real load: 1.376V (vdrop)
RAM Voltage: 2.25V @ 4-4-4-12
FSB Termination 1.400V
Spread Spectrum OFF
NB Voltage 1.450V
SB and ICH at lowest voltage.
:)
http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/154...9730838_rs.jpg
Hi, Ruben (Phantom). Unfortunately, I am no expert either, but your Sata HD should work without any drivers. Just plug them in, but not in the JMicron slots. I set my bios to IDE which also controls the Sata. I believe there were issues with the JMicron Sata which required a software install. Perhaps a knowledgable person will comment. Good Luck Ruben in getting your computer running!Quote:
hi to all! i'm Ruben from italy.
I think you are doing pretty well already, but you are running at near stock cpu voltage (1.33v), so you will be unlikely to o/c much higher unless you boost your cpu voltage. You might try setting the vCore (cpu) to 1.475v, for instance, (which may be only 1.4v at the cpu, considering Vdrop.) For the C2D, Intel recommends a maximum of 1.3875v (actual), although many o/c'ers go much higher. Also your ram voltage (vDimm) could be boosted to 2.1v, fairly safely, which will help system stability. I would leave all other Jumperfree settings in bios on Auto.Quote:
Guys I'm just trying to get beyond the 3,01mhz with my P5B vanilla board. Just need help. THis is all confusing!!!!
Any final word on where the bootstrap goes from 1067 > 1333 > 1600? 400 still the lucky number?
And did we find out if the newer BIOS's changed this number?
Any chance of updating this link and some others in this thread. It may help put some post here in to perspective for me and I'm sure others. I've only begun reading this thread and don't want to get lost. Or possibly you have compiled a sticky post that has all that was learned in this thread. If so would you point me there. Any help appreciated.
This my first overclock and build and I think I have reached the limit (sweetspot) of my system.
475 FSB NBCC at 9/7*475=610
Ram Voltage: 2.25 4-4-4-12
Vcore: 1.3875 ( 1.37 with Vdrop)
FSB Termination: 1.40
NB Core: 1.45
Sb Vcore: 1.50
ICH Voltage: 1.057
I tried 490 (unstable), 500, 510 without a post. I think my northbridge is at it's limit ~610. I tried 450X8=3.5Ghz, but i needed >1.52 Vcore and it still could not run Orthos for five minutes, and it was getting HOT! I was stable at 390X9, but I am under the impression the faster the FSB, the faster your system.
Great site with lots of info!!
ASUS P5B deluxe (Bios 1101) || E6600 || 4X1GB G.Skill F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ ||Sapphire X1950Pro 512MB || Samsung 320 GB || Antec Neo HE 550W
LOL wow nice background wallpaper! LOL you into manly looking women??:rofl: :rofl:
AHHH.....but she is very gentle!
i got best performance booting @ 400fsb anyone got better results please share
I agree, my best performance is @ 399. It is stable dispite all the problems I have heard about at this level. I wanted to stay on the 1067 strap. I tried 450 and it was slower. This is as high as I can go with air cooling. Now what??
I tried my Ram at (4:5) but it was not all that stable; plus I had to really increase the voltage.
e6600 @399 x9
X1950 Pro 512MB
2X1GB G.Skill 6400GBHZ (1:1) 4-4-4-12
vRam: 2.05
vCore: 1.5125
vFSB: 1.40
vNB: 1.45
vSB: 1.50
vICH: Auto
I ran Orthos for 1/2 hour and then I stopped it. I'll let it run some other time.
Whats the best way, bios to get better overclock from this board. I have the P5B, and dont got access to vNB, vSB, vICH. Any way to gain access
Thanks
Hey, Srry to kick this topic
first of all im new to XS so Hey to everybody =)
second, i got the E6600 & P5B deluxe (wifi) aswell, runned couple months @ 3ghz, but past days i carried on overclocking again :)
So ive readed lets say 8-9 pages of this thread, and i know whats the strap and thing all about now.
Now i run my E6600 @ 3.42ghz on 380Mhz x 9 (1.34v-1.37v)
Now, I wanted to reach 3.6Ghz, it couldnt be so hard whit this cpu being at low Vcore for high FSB's. But i can't boot @ 390fsb-400fsb for some reason.
I have to try 401FSB (wich i'll do today) But the main question
Will 3.42ghz on 380Mhz x 9 be slower/faster then 401Mhz x 9? It's all about memory ive read.. so i dunno about main performance then (gaming).
dunno if its necessary, my ram is 3gb Kingston/Corsair PC5300 valueram@400mhz+
Thx
You need to know..............it is a man in that picture. If you like men, thats fine, but if you like women, you have made a huge mistake :)
LAZER - yeah 401 may be slower than 380 - 390. I have read you need to be over 430 ish to make up for the looser strap. You'll have to test it.
Hi not trying to hijack your post but i have a Asus commando motherboard.
i posted this over at i4memory for a bit of help ..So here it is..Cheers
Trying to tweak my system as fast as i can this is what i have found so far with my motherboard all benchmarks was run in same order then pc reset in bios for next test....way way slower pi times at 401 fsb
399 fsb Asus commando super Pi Pifast Wprime 17.703 was super pi time its blocked out
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/645...o399fsbvg6.jpg
Shot at 2007-08-13
400 fsb Asus commando super Pi Pifast Wprime http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5...o400fsbgi9.jpg
Shot at 2007-08-13
401 fsb Asus commando super Pi Pifast Wprime
Interesting to see that Super Pi is way slower on 401 Fsb yet wprime is faster on this strap. ?
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4...o401fsbjb9.jpg
Shot at 2007-08-13
any tips ?
Cheers Hori
Thats not what i'd expect to see - i'd have thought 401 would have been slower. Try 402, if its faster again keep going up till you get a decrease in performance - thats when the strap changes. Try 424 FSB, then 425 FSB, it could change there.
Up to 400 its the 1066 strap
From 401 up its the 1333 strap
However on the P5N32-SLI it changes at 425 (424 top end of 1066, 425 is start of 1333)
There is no 1600 strap implemented yet for any board.
You should try these settings, if ur CPU can take it. its better than 400FSB of course.
http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/204...4087864_rs.jpg
Im having trouble finding out whats true, one place people write 400 Fsb is best, other places that 401 is best.
So can anyone explain me where the strap change occurs?
400 or 401?
And wheres the best performance to be had?
From what I read, the strap change is at 401. I'm running at 425 personally.