Yes, thanks for that, but it does not work on x64. There is a specific .dll error pointing to an NT incompatibility...
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Back to bios 802 and all is good again.
Did not know the extreme was ddr3 only, ( freaking buggers ) would not be hard to unload my ddr2 tho.
I'm not sending it back anyways. I gotta foot the bill for shipping and I'm not redoing the water again
LOLZ. Which branch of ASUS did you call? I really hope you accept this swap, as then precendent would be set for others to get the same treatment. If any other user with issues is not offered the same level of support, ASUS could be in for some issues! :ROTF: They really are not very good at support, are they?:shakes: Well, let's replace your board with one that will make you spend MORE money...:shakes: :rolleyes:
I want to make this board work. It's an awesome x38 board for DDR2. I hope they don't make the assumption that just because we have the $$$ to buy an expensive mobo that we have $$$ for RAM too. I want a viable DDR2 X38 motherboard. DDR2 RAM is cheap and getting cheaper every day. I used to be loyal to ABIT, but found ASUS to be more leading edge... I hope they don't F us in the behind
I can't say anything about Abit but DFI is every bit as bad as you think Asus is, maybe worse. Their ICFX3200 T2R/G was a disaster. C1E memory errors with multiple known good sets ram. It also fried good parts for many. In my case a perfectly good x1950 crossfire card. Their P965 was no better. It couldn't run any version of Linux till a bios update released a few weeks ago. The P965 was also too PSU picky. I have a perfectly good PCP&C Silencer 750. 2 965 boards would not boot with it. ( 3 Asus boards have run great with the same PSU) Oddly the 3rd DFI 965 board booted and ran fine with a Silencer 610. :rolleyes: I used to love DFI. No more!!! My experience... 5 of 10 DFI boards bad. 5 of 5 Asus boards have worked well. You might say 4 of 5 simply because I haven't OC'ed the Maximus yet. It ran fine for 10 days at stock settings folding 100% cpu 24/7 with a Q6600 G0 and Ballistix PC 8500 @1066. I'll know more about the Maximus in a couple weeks. :)
So far for me 0903 works great! used my 0901 settings... for about the first 30 minutes core temps were 5C higher than normal. Time to test Quake wars!
All versions of ASUS Update don't work on Vista x64 when trying to flash back to an older version. The older versions of updater have a problem with NT file systems and the newer versions have a problem recognizing the motherboard as ASUS. Guess I'll try AFUDOS next eh? Anyone running same setup help out abit?
I tried afudos299 and it didnt work for me
0903 is working for me... I took pics of the BIOS settings under 0901 and tried EXACT duplication under 0903 and it wouldn't boot into BIOS. Need a little more time, but as far as i can tell the only settings i changed were the spread spectrum and PCIE spred spectrum from auto to disabled... I'll report back when I get this stable like 0901, and take a few other pics of 0903 BIOS...
No, edit to my previous post... Spread spectrum and PCIE spread spectrum are fine. I had to change my transaction booster to make 0903 work... Maybe it means transction booster is actually doing something now.
I beg forgiveness, with some tweaking and patience, I've broke 0901 record on my box and passed the 4GHz barrier with Q6600. Graphs are from bioshock all settings on high played for 5 min's stable... Going back to up the settings
@safan , on 0903 , does prime still restart on you?
This 450fsb @ x8 is a real sweet spot.
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3959/ocaw7.jpg
cpu is drawing too much power for the board...EPU and TM2 conflict result in less than full cpu utilization. a few apps pick up on the multi-switch...Crystalcpuid, but i cannot reember which revision...old cpu-z used too to, but newer version does not seem able to detect the drop of multi...
OCCT loads up fine on my G0, as does PRime95, but my B3, which clocks far better on other boards, is not capable of same speeds on this board due to this bug.
what do you have booting with the OS?
I have a B3 it has nothing to do with the chip. I've found that the more apps you have running the less cpu usage occt uses. I boot into vista with everything running and it doesn't go past 90% cpu usage. now if I boot into xp with only everest in start-up occt maxes out the cpu where as before when I used to boot into xp with everything running it wouldn't go past 90%.
as for the multi dropping on some bioses speedstep is enabled without an option to turn it off. With 0903 there's a speedstep option under the cpu section.
OCCT uses all AVAILABLE CPU resources. ie. minus what other system resources are utilizing. p95 reports 100%, but that is probably a measurement of the current cpu level rather than what p95 is actually using. You can verify this by monitoring CPU performance under task manager while OCCT is running.
Theoretically, NO app. can utilize 100% CPU power because other OS resources always utilize some of that power all the time.
ok..i just started mine up for the very first time and it idled for about 2 min then the top hd3870 gpu got hot like starting to burn my finger hot. everything powered on and all fans were working. the bottom hd3870 was hardly warm..the cpu was at 36%c. i didn't have anything installed as it was the first power up so i switched cards/cables to see if it was maybe the card or a cable and the same happened. so i shut it back down... everything is brand new.. is it normal for the top gpu to get that hot? there is no softare installed yet and the hd3870 fans were spinning very slow i was going to start installing stuff untill i felt how hot it was.
Um, no, the speedstep option is in all bioses I have tried, but only available when multi is set to auto. So you disable it before manually setting multi...
I mention B3, as I have no load issues with G0, but my G0 also draws far less power than B3. I do not blame the chip, per se, but merely how the board handles the increased amperage from a B3. Other boards I have are not "plauged" by this issue...they simply work, don't work, or do a multi-bounce, as they should, under TM throttle. I assume that the "EPU" implementation is at fault, as this is the one major difference in cpu power regulation control between boards, other than the obvious number of phases to provide that power, and the type of PWM design.
I can't get my system to be P95 8 hours stable... when my appartment gets hot, my cores reach 85 degrees at full load which gives me a PC restart :( Seems like I'll need to go watercooling in a near future...
Sucks cuz my CPU can handle 3,8GHz at 1,38V only...
get some watercooling...1.575, L737B 3.8ghz...60c loaded under Fusion...
This board is a lot of fun with Penryn....
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=275720
Thats on a SS with 1.64 vCore :)
but is not over 400mhz FSB...i think maybe you are having much fun with PENRYN!!!! nice clocks, those! now imagine 635x8 1:1....
My max FSB on my Q6600 was 476 FSB I posted that several pages back with one of my Q6600 G0 chips. Yes though the Penryn is a lot of fun. Cant wait until NOL finishes my 3 stage cascade :)
Does penryn not scale as well as the g0?
i`m waiting for an E8400 ES to try it with the formula.
i believe i`ll have easily 500-550fsb under water..
My goodness I am infuriated !!!!!!!!!! Not because of the Asus board because my Vista DVD is broken :mad: I don't know how it broke but now I have to run XP on it until I get another Vista DVD !!!
Here is pics of the madness !!!
Did I install the tower the right way ?
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...n/IMG_2458.jpg
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...n/IMG_2462.jpg
...rant mode on...
I've been monitoring this thread because I'm interested in the Maximus but I'm extremely wary of another bad experience. I, too, had problems with my ICFX3200 (C1, post lockups, etc, etc). I RMAed it to DFI only to have it sent right back to me the same day they received it. If this sounds like an isolated incident, it wasn't. The same exact thing happened to my brother a few weeks later (again, an ICFX3200). So after that very bad experience I won't revisit DFI for a while--I just don't trust them.
I had a Commando for a while but sold it due to the 400 strap issue. All things considered, it was not that bad of a board. At least ASUS issued BIOSes, even if some were buggy. DFI is very lax in BIOS updates.
I'll plainly state it: This Conroe platform of Intel's is not all it's cracked up to be. I know I'll get flamed for this, but never have I ever seen such a bad string of mobos across ALL manufacturers for a particular platform. Memory issues in particular have absolutely plagued this platform to no end.
My blame goes to Intel not having an integrated memory controller (which they've finally accepted because after X48, no more nb <about f'in time>). The most reliable setup I've ever had was my DFI LP UT nF4 with a humble A64 3000. Outside of a complex BIOS, the board & CPU overclocked extremely well and I never once had a C1 or any memory-related issue. Hell, I used an AC Freezer 64 Pro--certainly far from being top tier--to overclock my venice 3000 to 2700 MHz (50% oc, roughly equiv to an FX-55 at that time). No extra modding was needed, the LP nF4 was completely stock. I long for that now.
...rant mode off...
My current IP35 Pro ran my previous E6600 easily enough but since I've upgraded to a Q6600, the PWM temps have gone through the roof, despite Ace's heatpipe mod and both nb + pwm heatsinks being actively cooled. So I'm looking for a decent board for my Q66 where it won't have the related nagging heat issues. (I don't think 3.6 is too much to ask out of my cool running G0 Q66). I have not seen any board that is up to the challenge.
Could someone post a descent Q6600 @ 4ghz configuration with this motherboard?
Don't really know what voltages to put on CPU PLL, FSB termination etc. Pictures of the bios settings would be nice.
This is "stable" playing bioshock. These settings work, theyre not fine tuned yet. I'll get to that today maybe. Ambient is 22C, waterloop(unloaded) 27C. Bioshock about a 33%cpuload, cputemp close to 60C(under bioshock)
Thanks man, gonna try it out :)
I wouldn't run those settings 24/7, something will give in in a few months... better go for 3.6ghz daily and go for more when benching or having fun...
Just my thought...
Yeah of course. But it is fun to see what the rig can do once in a while.
A question: I have been running this 450fsb x8 multipel for a day now and it seems to be rock solid, so i raised the fsb to 455, which worked fine as well.
BUT, when I changed to 460, the booting process was working properly, detecting ram aso, but when it came to loading windows, the windows logo appeared, and then it got stuck. How come? It is not like i'm getting bluescreens so I don't know what to do.
Under the Processes tab, you should be able to see where the 25% is going.
Mine does the same, sometimes OCCT Beta doesn't even show 50% usage itself, but Task Manager shows OCCT to be at 100% so it's just a problem with OCCT!
Hard to say...:shrug:
I had trouble getting the Penryn to stabilize at FSB 455 with the same voltage settings as my Q6600 G0 but the Penryn is a different architecture so its too early to say if the board is holding me back with higher FSB. I suspect its the board which is handicapped by the bios...
Note im on 0901...
NysoO, rangerone7669 and others. Are you able to post your BIOS settings for 450x8?
I started with the template offered by cadaveca, but i'm not able to make it past ~16min of OCCT blend without getting a code 1 or 4.
This is my 450x8 settings. OCCT and prime stable
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400MHZ
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1199
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time : AUTO
Write Recovery Time : AUTO
Read to Precharge Time : AUTO
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (D) : AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : Disabled
CPU Voltage : 1.55
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.60
North Bridge Voltage : 1.55
DRAM Voltage : 2.20
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.50
South Bridge Voltage : 1.10
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : Auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2_REF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2_REF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2_REF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5
NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : Disabled
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled
Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Enabled
Thanks Grnfinger. Why do you have Execute Disable Bit ENABLED in Advanced CPU. Most have this disabled.
#1 Has anyone attempted to remove the N/S Bridge HS? Mine will not come off and I haven't installed it yet (Yes, I removed the 4 screws and 6 spring loaded pushpins)
#2 Who is using a 4-pin 12V connector instead of the 8-pin 12V connector?
#1 - I'm on my 2nd board. The first one I could not remove the HS at all, I simply got too nervous with the amount of force it seemed was necessary to remove it. With my second board, it popped right off with minimal force using my hand. It has been suggested a number of times that it's necessary to attempt removing the HS before starting the board so that the thermal adhesive isn't able to set. That being said, I wonder if it's possible that certain boards are exposed to ambient temperatures, whether in shipment or storage, which heat the compound enough to make it more difficult to remove. Or, is Asus doing something different with more recent board revisions. My first was an SE rev.1.02G. My second is a non-SE rev.1.03G.
#2 - I'm using an 8-pin 12V connector.
Thank You Grnfinger and sdumper, those settings are OCCT (30min Auto Blend) stable for me. I'm going to keep tweaking and see what I can adjust.
Anyone else who's able to post BIOS settings for 450x8, I'm interested in seeing what kind of variance there is between everyone's stable settings.
Im a noob here and I hope this isn't too off topic, but I see that many of you here have experience with the Maximus Formula. I am currently looking to buy a MB and I am leaning towards this board, but I would like some of you gurus to help me out. I have narrowed down my selection to these 2 boards. Which one would you choose?
ASUS P5E or ASUS MAXIMUS FORMULA Non-SE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131227
Can anyone give me their own thoughts on either of these? Also, do you know if the QX9650 will run out of box on these boards?
Also, anyone running after market NB and SB coolers on either of these boards?
THANK YOU!!!
Execute Disable Bit is basiclly a Anti-Virus Measure.
memory remapping feature is for over 2GB of ram.
Benefit? YES!!!
I popped mine second board as soon as I got it..came off easily...first board would run 50c or so under 1.45v, now I can run 1.8v, and barely top 41c, using ceramique.
It actually seems now that the southbridge connection to teh NB heatsink dictates temps...but also because I am using thermal probes attached to various places I am aware that both SB and NB temps are not reported accurately in ANY instance....both heatsinks are 2c higher by thermal probe than reported temps by on-board sensors.
the heatsink assembly , after changeing paste, seem quite good...it's the stock TIM that fouls things up!
Opps yep your right I responded to quickly...
sorry guys my bad :(
By the way I just picked one of these boards up to run with my cascade:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131235
Anybody else tried this with DDR3 yet? On the Maximus SE I was able to hit a decent not great but decent SuperPi run at 5ghz but am thinking to really perform well I need to go to DDR3 and some coldddd...
What do you mean by 8-pin 12V connector? I don't have any 8-pin connector connected to my mobo... I only have the 24-pin and the 4-pin near the CPU area... I know you can remove the little white cover above the other 4-pin but isn't 4-pin enough or I should switch the 4-pin for an 8-pin (that I have in my PSU but is not in use)...
Maybe that's a reason why I have stablity issues about 450 fsb...
4-pin connector is ok except for some cases were you OC. 8-pin 12V connector allows for much more smoother operation and better OC. If a MB has a 8-pin connector its a general rule to use a 8-pin 12V connector from your PSU for better stability. People reported better:
-vdroop
-better OC
-smoother OS operations
using 8-pin 12V vs 4-pin 12V ina 8 pin socket. This was from other MBs though.
Ohh well that's some very good infos! I could run my Q6600 at 4GHz (9x445) but I tried to do 475x8 for 24/7 usage and with any voltage applied to vNB, PLL and vFSB, I couldn't go past Windows loading before the system would hang or crash...
I'll try that asap!
HOT IS NOT GOOD!
best to go hot, then freeze(if you've ran the board), then pry up using dimm slot as lever point...use VERY LITTLE FORCE...if it doesn't budge, try when the board is still frozen! My second board, used dimm slot, board was still cold from delivery truck, and it took NO FORCE!!!(I used rubber-tip on screwdriver so as to not scratch anything)
the TIM "melts" when hot, but it sets very quickly, so you must keep it hot when you try to remove...my concern is that the required heat may loosen the FBGA for the chipset!
S1mon, increase FSB over 450 requires a HUGE boost in vNB here...same situation with e6600 and B3/G0 quads for me.
could be heat holding you back..I dunno...but like I said OVER 450 required a HUGE jump in vNB , oh, and vFSB, but only for my G0. I posted my 450x9 settings a few pages back...only thing i needed to increase was vFSB and vNB to get higher...maybe your cpu is limiting you.
Also, cpuPLL needs incrase @ higher fsb too.
Hehe yeah guess I'll need to spend a few more hours trying to find the right combo...
0901 & 0902 are back up at the ASUS download site.
The person trying to remove their NB HS, just try an pry the HS at the corners. Don't apply too much pressure. If the first corner doesn't give then try the next corner and on and on and on. Eventually the HS will pop off.
I used a flat head screw driver and just turned it 90 degrees under each corner and it just popped off but do so at your own risk as I do not want any hate mail if something bad happens.
S1mon I had those problems but instead of running one to one memory speed. I run the 5:6 divider which makes the memory run much faster in terms of MHz and the timings in bios are the same. The board is then 100% stable priming for over nine hours, Crysis and Gears of War as well as Dual Pi32m stable.
Hi everyone, although this is my first post I've been following this thread since day one. It helped me in most cases, but this time I think I have to ask for help. My system has been running on water cooling for two days now (see signature). And what I've found strange is the cpu temerature reading from either BIOS or Everest. In idle state it shows 60 - 65 Degrees celsius (which I thought would be much, much lower when switching to water cooling). I can't figure the reason My current FSB is 9x333, memory runs at 667MHz. Any advice?
That Thermaltake kit might be the problem.
You bought some nice chipset blocks, how are there temps ?
Have you tried remounting the cpu block?
NB chip - 44 degrees C
SB Chip - 43 degrees C
I havent tried remounting the cpu block 'cos I thing it's placed correctly with Arctic Silver 5. I was thinking more of replacing it with D-Tek Fusion.
Nowakjan, even tho your watercooling kit (except NB/SB blocks) is poor, it shouldn't be that bad at idle.
You probably have a bad mount, try remounting the cpu-waterblock.
Ok, As you say, I'll give it a try and remount the cpu block and report back tomorrow. Thanks anyways guys.
came home today and tried bioshock with same settings I posted earlier from achieving 4+GHz last night, gave me BSOD, tweaking more V's...
Well, I have to correct myself, at idle I get:
NB - 39 C
SB - 38 C
CPU - 58 C
MB - 34 C
cpu is high for idle
I run 450x8 at 1.55v q6600 cpu.
I have a swiftech apogee gt cpu block and my cpu idles at a rather nice 35 celcius. Full load I see 58-62 celcius depending the heat in the room
The decision has been made - I'm getting D-Tek Fuzion CPU Block. As soon as it arrives I'll reassamble the whole loop, double check it and than get back to you guys with the results.
had to up SBv to 1.175. system froze after doing a save to HDD was a clue... I know all my volts are high and electromigration is/may become a factor. I would never run this system 24/7. I consider this box a dedicated computer for games/video encoding and is only on for those purposes for no longer than 2hrs at a time. I'm gonna encode and burn an episode of six million dollar man in <1/2hr.. w00t!
It' 500L/h acording to the specs.
The ram voltage dropping is happening to me, just not as frequently...
I've been getting random reboots without any idea of a cause, can OCCT/Prime for 10hrs+ but will crash @ idle?! So I upped the vDimm to 2.26v bios (2.37v real) and not a single hiccup so far. Now I know this ram is good for the clocks with a much lower voltage but it seems when it dips too low it crashes/reboots, but with the vDimm set higher, even with the sudden and momentary droop, it's not falling low enough to crash!
System is once again stable!
Jeez, I tried encoding an avi to dvd compatible mpg using TMPGEnc and it's using close to 90% CPU....guessed settings, this is first time stable, not tweaking yet. This will be my new real world stress test.
any ideas as to whats going on here?
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...-19h50-RAM.png
This is exactly what WarBoy was saying, the massive ram flucuations are causing instability and more than likely responsible for killing all the ram...
EDIT: And from what I can see, yours peaked @ ~12-13v according that that graph before it errored!!! :eek: :shocked: :down:
One word comes to mind, ripple. I suggest using a different wall socket from the other side of the room (not the socket next to the one you are currently using). See if that helps, also make sure you are using an 8-pin 12V connector for your MB as well.
Anybody doing an auto-shutdown for their pump with this mobo? I know I could hook up the 3 pin rpm sensor to a mobo header and have speedfan shut my pump down, but I wondered what kind of rmp sensing and make even shut down features this mobo has.
thats what I thought
not looking to buy new ram anytime soon, guess I'll dial it back to safe 3.4ghz
I can be happy with that for now