The OFFICIAL MSI K8N Neo2-939 tips and tricks guide thread

well, I'm now running at 200MHz 1T 2-3-3-6, 5x HTT, no problems, and testing has proven it to be stable. Specs are supposedly 2-3-2-6-1 now that I've read the .PDF, though I don't think that'll change things that much. It seems the auto-timings of the Neo2 were really lax, or the SPD on the RAM is set lax by Kingston, or the board isn't reading the SPD right. I'd think there's got to be a way to go up stably, if my machine booted and ran okay under stress at 225. However, I'm wondering what the tradeoffs are, that is, if what I lose in setting the RAM and HTT speeds is worth gaining the higher processor speeds.

:D Yep - got the same with the A-DATA DDR-600:

SPD 3-5-5-10 at 303 (?) MHZ - BIOS auto detect 3-3-3-6 at ALL speed and running 3-4-4-8 at 300 MHZ.........crazy stuff !!!

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Im doing the same thing Charlie. Im using a 3500+ to hold me over till the FX-57.

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AMD Opteron Dual Core @ 2.20+ GHz per/core w/ 90nm w/ 2MB L2 cache (Toledo Core) Q2 of 2005

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Uh.. forget that last roadmap...... it might be faulse...... oops. Sorry Hampster! I was the only one I could find......

Update: Up to 225MHz FSB at 1T, 2.5-4-4-8, now fully stable under Memtest86+ at 2.7v on the memory. There's probably more room left, but I'll run it this way for a little bit then try upping it again.

As for cores, I'd also be interested in Venice. The enhanced memory controller and SSE3 support may up the video encoding performance somewhat.

Hello new to these boards but have been a member of Futuremark`s MB for 4 yrs anyway here is my system:
Msi neo2 1.51x bios
Winnie 3200 watercooled TBX block week 0444
BFG 6800 GT OC 256mb
Corsair xmspc3200xlpt 2x512
Audigy2 zs in slot 3
Maxtor 80 gig ide 1
WD SE 80 gig ide 1
Lite-on dvd rom ide 2
Lite-on burner ide 2
pump relay switch
Enermax temp reader and fan controller
4-80 mm fans
2-120 mm fans (radiator cooling)
Truepower 550

ok this is what i have gotten so far : by spd my ram is rated for 2-2-2-5 which i ran stock 200x10 1.4 vcore,2.7 vdimm and ran memtest for 11 hrs and no issues what so ever,i read that this ram will only do 2-2-2-5 to 214 fsb 1:1 well i laxxed the timings a bit and ran 2-5-3-3-7 1T 225 fsb and got 9 memtest errors in 2 hrs

ok now ive gotten these settings stable: 255x10 1.51 vcore, temp at idle 38c load is 49c, timings of 2.5-3-3-7 1T vdimm 2.8,AGP 67 3xHTT and ram is running at 212fsb

ive smacked 2.75mhz 275x10 1.55x10.0% with the 133 divider but temps hit 55c underload

i cant do 225,235,240,245,250 fsb 1:1 without getting errors with timings of 2.5-3-3-7 1T 2.85 vdimm

i have seen on a few sites that my memory might be TCCD but im not sure without pulling my heatsinks off

sticks are in 1+2 and i get the same errors with 3+4 slots at above fsb

should i try laxxing the timings even more or drop my multi to 8 and go up from there this board has got me baffled,not new to o/clocking but this thing is making me pull my hair out, I want higher 1:1 action lol any ideas would be greatly appreciated

the 1.51x bios the best to run on these boards ?

oh and i dont have a fan plugged into the cpu fan header could that be problem ? i dont have boot issue...well i did but its was a bad power cord but thats solved

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=50367

anybody experienced the same problem?
thx

TCCD is known to go all the way up to 300HTT with loose timings, the fact that yours craps out might suggest its not. Removing the HS is not all that problematic...

my friend's 3200+ can not do anthing over 225+ htt or above either i think its the problem with the winnie as i know some people with the same problem.

if you use only one stick of ram my m8 can do 293HTT 1:1 stable but fails prime and superpi with 2 sticks at around 225htt or above.

btw he's using the OCZ Rev 2 TCCD ram.

Hi all,

How on this board do you flash a beta bios from windows. I have a Vapochill I need to update the bios to work with the winchester chip. Is their a utility for this?

Thanks

Yes you can safely flash in Windows using Winflash, thats what I use

Is this the same Winflash I got on my DFI UT3 drivers Disk? Or do I have to download a different version of Win Flash for the MSI board?

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Is this the same Winflash I got on my DFI UT3 drivers Disk? Or do I have to download a different version of Win Flash for the MSI board?

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The MSI boards all come with their own WinFlash if I'm not mistaken. If you install MSI Live Update on the driver CD included with the mobo, then it's included. Kind of hidden, but included.

C:\ > Program Files > MSI > MSI LiveUpdate > Award > WinFlash

It's something like that. I'm just reciting it from memory. It's been a good month since I've used it.

Any special bios for tccd that gives the +18% vcore option too?...
Need to freeze my fx55, finally got a cpu kit :)
Tccd testing, brainpower pcb with 2,7v...

http://img34.exs.cx/img34/7066/semttulo5lj.jpg

Anyone with a neo2 that when choosing 2,85v in bios get only 2,7v real in mem's ? (read with a multimeter)

Weird :banana::banana::banana::banana: :confused:

Have anyone solved the problem with sub-zero temps on winchester+msi? I read a lot about it but i still don't know if this is a cpu or mobo issue?
I'm quite scared of getting winchester/mobo which won't run with my phase change...

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Originally Posted by Adasi

Have anyone solved the problem with sub-zero temps on winchester+msi? I read a lot about it but i still don't know if this is a cpu or mobo issue?
I'm quite scared of getting winchester/mobo which won't run with my phase change...

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This new BIOS is suppose to fix the problem.

I picked up a Newcastle 3500+ last week so that I can run my prommie...still have not read or heard any concrete fixes for the sub-zero problems with the winchesters.

Wingz, are they suggesting that its a motherboard problem rather than a CPU problem?

I've got a 0441 3200+ Winnie here that does not like the cold...

I've tried it in 4 different K8N Neo2's to no avail... 2 x 0419 & 2 x 0437 date codes...

Tried it with every bios there is for the K8N Neo2 but no go...

So imo, it's a hit & miss affair with these Winnies & sub-zero temps... Some like it hot & some like it cold...

Currently using a 3500+ NC because of this problem... At least it bloody runs...

Was trying to see if I could get my 3200+ past 250HTT... If it could boot that is... It booted but looks up as soon as it hits Windows... That's about the time it takes for my Vapo PE to hit sub-zero temps...

At least with my 3500+NC, I'm able to run 11 x 250 HTT for a cool 2.75GHz...

Now trying to get rid of one of my Neo2's to wait for the DFI NF4...

Cheers,
Minnyboy

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Now trying to get rid of one of my Neo2's to wait for the DFI NF4...

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Why don't you try epox on nf3?
It looks like i can't buy Neo2 because of the temp issue :( :stick:

Would buying the 3200+ winchester instead of the 3000+ winchester make any difference ?
Thought both overclock the same ?

The 3200+ has a higher multiplier which might help with overall overclock.

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Originally Posted by Adasi

Why don't you try epox on nf3?
It looks like i can't buy Neo2 because of the temp issue :( :stick:

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I have heard some bad reviews (especially from members here) about the NF3 Epox board...

I still have another 2 Neo2's here to play with... Well, one is in RMA & the other one has 2 smd resistors knocked off when removing my Hyper6... I touched tha resistors & they actually fell off...

It's getting fixed this weekend so hopefully it'll work well with my Vapo & 3200+ Winnie...

If not, then I'll just stick to aircooling & 3200+ Winnie while I wait for funds for the DFI/FX57/X850XT PE PCI-E... Not bad when I can get the PowerColor X850XT PE for US$611 (AUS$812)... Add some VX for US$282 (AUD$375)..

Ahh, the perks of being a reseller here in OZ :D:D:banana:...

Cheers,
Minnyboy

Minnyboy...what resistors fell off the mobo???

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Originally Posted by nealh

Minnyboy...what resistors fell off the mobo???

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If you look to the right hsf retention, you'll notice a bunch of resistors there.

Well, the 2 by themselves are missing.

I have a knack for knocking resistors off... Did it to my 9800XT a while ago... While prying the stock Intel HSF off....

The Neo2 still boots up & all but I don't wanna damage it any more than I have already... I have heaps of those SMD resistors spare... Around 40 of them... Just waiting for my mate to come over & solder them for me...

I can solder a bit but them resistors are darn small...

I might take a pic of the area where the missing resistors are attach them...

Cheers,
Minnyboy