The OFFICIAL MSI K8N Neo2-939 tips and tricks guide thread

No sry Nedo I tried before to force 2 for all dividers and instead it forced 1. Somethings wrong with the register pehaps.

Only way to change it is with athlon 64 tweaker in windows. Unless MSI add the timing to bios.

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Originally Posted by sideeffect

No sry Nedo I tried before to force 2 for all dividers and instead it forced 1. Somethings wrong with the register pehaps.

Only way to change it is with athlon 64 tweaker in windows. Unless MSI add the timing to bios.

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Ah Ok, thx.
But how can it be explained that it is 2 when 183 divider is set?
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Thats the MSI defaults. I can overide most of the MSI defaults but like i said when i try to force 2 with Write-to-Read Delay it defaults to 1.

If you start up a64tweaker 0.31 then change the Write-to-Read Delay value to 2 then save it then open the save file with wordpad/notepad and delete all the other changes except the Write-to-Read Delay option. Then set A64 tweaker to run on startup, iit will just change that one value for you and not mess anything else up.

But then I must overclock in Windows because sometimes my Computer won't boot :D

Is there any way to know tell the temperature of the northbridge on this board? I can only see the CPU temp (29c idle, 36 load) and system temp (27c) in corecell. Also, what are reasonable running temps for a venice core?



A64 Venice 3200+
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
512mb Geil PC4400 Platinum (2*256)
Q-Tec 550w Gold PSU
Akasa evo33 heatsink
Thermaltake Xaser III case
160gb SATA Maxtor
160gb IDE Maxtor
Lite-On 16x DVD-RW
Samsung 52x CD-RW
Windows XP Pro SP2
Galaxy 6800GT

You can use speedfan or systool to monitor all the temps available.

I recommend systool as it shows all the correct voltage rails.

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Originally Posted by sideeffect

Write to real delay of 1 is very tight set that to 2.

Trc (12) and Trfc (18) is probably to loose for Bh6 try 11 and 15. Try Tras of 7 instead of 10. Set read to write delay to 2. See how that works might give you a few more mhz.

Then if you want to go any higher than that you going to need to drop down to cas 2.5 i think.

See how high you can go at 2.5-2-2-7 or 2.5-2-2-8. With trc 11 and trfc 15.

Then try again at 2.5-2-3-7

Set voltage to 2.85 volts. Put a fan over the memory if you can.

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Right chap, a slight update on this.

I upped the HT to 313Mhz (x3) set the multiplier to 8x (using clockgen) which gives me around 209Mhz on the RAM and 2.5Ghz CPU (1.53v ish). Used A64 tweaker to set the write to read delay to 2, timings to 2.5-3-3-10 1T at 2.7v and it ran 3D Mark01 fine, also passed OCCT and S&M1.73. But failed Prime95 after about 20 mins

Now would this be down to the high HT speed or should I try upping the voltage to 2.8v on the RAM.

While your answering question, how come I can't set the HT to 313Mhz in the BIOS, if I do it won't POST, but I can happily set it in Windows? Is there a way I can set in BIOS, as it would be far easier for me?

Thanks all :)

ok wow. so still tryin to OC this opteron. seems like ive run into a werid wall. with stock vcore i can go all the way up to 277x10. i have the memory on a divider (since no active cooling) at either 183 or 166 with timings of 2.5-4-4-9 and then 14 and 17 for the next two timings... anyhoo... no amount of voltage seems to get me stable at 280x10. it would then seem to me that there is some other issue happening. cuz even with the 183 divider puttin the mem at about 254 which i know its pretty stable at with 2.5-4-4-9 / 2.6v. and of course the 166 divider puts it at about 233. anyhoo. basiclally i can super pi 1M but none of hte larger ones and prime will fail anywhere from half hour to 5 hours. i pretty much stepped up the voce in bits:
ive tried startup +10%
1.375 + 10
1.4 + 10%
1.425 + 10%
1.45 + 10%

1.4 + 5%
1.45 + 3.3%

and note well that with "startup" voltage set and no over % set i went up to 277x10.

one thing i guess i can try is move from the 1.c standard and tccd bioses to a lower bios?
anyone here using a san diego, fx-57, or 4000+ with the neo2? which bios been best for you? since i have a CABNE chip right here.

any ideas SE?

Long time I haven't checked here.
Say SE I have a problem.
With yor bios (1.c) I can't use 183 MemDivider! It works like a 200 divider for me.
What's the problem?

Ok at 2.5-3-3-10 1T @ 2.8v its priming ok so far (1hr). This is at 312MHz HTT (x8 for 2.5Ghz) with the 133 Divider giving me 208Mhz on the RAM.

May beable to get better timings, I'll have to experiment. Also set Trc to 11, Trfc to 15, write to read to 2 and idle cycle limit to 256. What else do you recommend?

Have yet to try setting 312 in the BIOS, but how do I get A64 tweaker to set the timings I need on boot?

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/5169/untitled0ax.jpg

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Originally Posted by Mehran

Long time I haven't checked here.
Say SE I have a problem.
With yor bios (1.c) I can't use 183 MemDivider! It works like a 200 divider for me.
What's the problem?

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Are you sure? Check with cpu-z to see what your memory is at. In bios it wont tell you the correct frequency when you set 183.

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Originally Posted by el rolio

ok wow. so still tryin to OC this opteron. seems like ive run into a werid wall. with stock vcore i can go all the way up to 277x10. i have the memory on a divider (since no active cooling) at either 183 or 166 with timings of 2.5-4-4-9 and then 14 and 17 for the next two timings... anyhoo... no amount of voltage seems to get me stable at 280x10. it would then seem to me that there is some other issue happening. cuz even with the 183 divider puttin the mem at about 254 which i know its pretty stable at with 2.5-4-4-9 / 2.6v. and of course the 166 divider puts it at about 233. anyhoo. basiclally i can super pi 1M but none of hte larger ones and prime will fail anywhere from half hour to 5 hours. i pretty much stepped up the voce in bits:
ive tried startup +10%
1.375 + 10
1.4 + 10%
1.425 + 10%
1.45 + 10%

1.4 + 5%
1.45 + 3.3%

and note well that with "startup" voltage set and no over % set i went up to 277x10.

one thing i guess i can try is move from the 1.c standard and tccd bioses to a lower bios?
anyone here using a san diego, fx-57, or 4000+ with the neo2? which bios been best for you? since i have a CABNE chip right here.

any ideas SE?

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Your probably hitting the memory controller limit. Mostly the cpus clock to a certain level 1;1 then you need to reduce the memory speed in order to get more cpu speed.

Like for me 250 x 11 is stable as highest 1:1

The cpu will go up to 3ghz but only if i have ram set to 200 mhz .
The ram will go to 260 mhz but only if I run the cpu at lower speed.

Its all about finding the best balance you can betwen the cpu and ram then reduce your voltages so its stable but runs cool.

wow SE, thats some good stuff to consider there. one thing someone pointed out to me... i had left the agp voltage low after the 1.c bios upgrade and cmos clear... so its at 1.55 now. im gonna go back to 1.65 as i had it pre-opterown.... and see if that does anything.

but this concept of the mem controller not liking it is crazy + it would be possible that i would then find out if droppin mem speed again (i tried it with 183 div and 166 div) to the lower one as you say lets me pass this barrier, then
• it would be awesome to still see how far stock vcore takes me and able to keep these very hot opterowns cool
• will be able to use tighter timings... and maybe if its within my bh-5 range... use the ocz golds again.

again SE, would you reccomend (after i try the other stuff) using another bios maybe? or should i stick with the 1.c tccd as im at now? im liking what you did with the bios alot and am very comfortable in it. just askin

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Originally Posted by Mehran

Long time I haven't checked here.
Say SE I have a problem.
With yor bios (1.c) I can't use 183 MemDivider! It works like a 200 divider for me.
What's the problem?

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I think the problem is just at POST where it displays your memory 'speed'. It says 'DDR 200' instead of whatever... DDR 366? or so. Also when you look at your clock speed in the bios, I think it messes up and displays something crazy.

But it should be working with a 183 divider effectively.

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Originally Posted by el rolio

wow SE, thats some good stuff to consider there. one thing someone pointed out to me... i had left the agp voltage low after the 1.c bios upgrade and cmos clear... so its at 1.55 now. im gonna go back to 1.65 as i had it pre-opterown.... and see if that does anything.

but this concept of the mem controller not liking it is crazy + it would be possible that i would then find out if droppin mem speed again (i tried it with 183 div and 166 div) to the lower one as you say lets me pass this barrier, then
• it would be awesome to still see how far stock vcore takes me and able to keep these very hot opterowns cool
• will be able to use tighter timings... and maybe if its within my bh-5 range... use the ocz golds again.

again SE, would you reccomend (after i try the other stuff) using another bios maybe? or should i stick with the 1.c tccd as im at now? im liking what you did with the bios alot and am very comfortable in it. just askin

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If you decide to use the Bh-5 go to the Standard Edition bios but otherwise I would stay with TCCD version. As for which version well 1.B is the best official so far in my opinion. 1.C is a good beta but the vcore seems less stable than 1.B have to see what happens with 1.C final.

Im using the 1.C beta ballistix E. Ive stoped overclocking for the time being im quite happy with my current clock so as long as a bios remains stable for me at this clock im happy. I just want more features now esspecially ram timings in bios.

YES! the voltages! thats what i was thinkin about. ok im gonna stick with the tccd sticks tonite, fix up the 2 agp things... look about tthe effects on the mem controller like you said... and try 1.btccd, maybe i revisit the 1.c when its final.

also: is there ways to set the idle cycle limitt to less than 256 i the bios? or have you shown all available options?

also: am i correct in remembering that you or someone else here discovered the lil quirks with diff core + % values?

this is what i came up with so far and im thinin some of hte choices even beloww 1.45 suck a nut
startup + 0% = 1.36
startup + 10% = 1.57 and up
1.375 + 10% = 1.53
1.4 + 10% = 1.56
1.425 + 10% = 1.58 ~ 1.6
1.45 + 10% = 1.61 ~ 1.63
and
1.4 + 5% = 1.52

or is there already knowledge out there as to what are good solid values to use?

Cheers sideeffect, systool definitely done the trick. Seems like a useful wee bastard as well. One other question, what are the normal operating temps for the northbridge?

I ran the prime95 torture test for 15 minutes (which I know isnt very long), just to get an idea of how hot it might get. Systool is reporting
Northbridge (max) = 15c
CPU (max) = 35c
System (max) = 30c

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Originally Posted by sideeffect

You can use speedfan or systool to monitor all the temps available.

I recommend systool as it shows all the correct voltage rails.

link

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:help: :help: :help: i cant get into safe mode with winxppro it just bsod and reboots this happens only with my x2 can some one try to duplicate this. only x2 users :help: :help: :help:

mb is neo2plat

side note, i broke the 280x10 barrier. i gotta post some screenies.... but with mem runnin at 200mhz and less. more volts aint really helpin right now.....

1.b original.... im not sure i like it. gonna get the rev2 version... for hte new layout i love so much from 1.c and will use tccd ver.

thanks SE

ok fellows, this is where im at. sorry i dont have photoshop installed. i will try and come back to it. maybe i can up the voltage a bit, tho it was superpi that threw the error, leading me to believe it was the memory givng me issues

and here is the cpuz validation http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=44676

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/1...reen2zt.th.jpg

the ambient temp as read by speedfan on the 6800 is 29 degrees.

thanks to SE and ozzimark so far. still thinkin my memory is givin me issues but maybe its bad secondary timings geting me. maybe i just go with standard bios and not tccd?

Nice opty el r :) . Im making my chrismas list, anyone know the best 2gb sticks for our neo2 's right now :) Im going to upgrade my old AIW 9600xt to a 800xt AIW also, OR i could just go crossfire but why IM at 2.7 AND I already have an X2 4400. Ive bee thinking about this for a while now.

SO whats the scoop on the 2gb goodness, Anyone tried the OCERS EB on this board yet? http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...Unbuffered_OCZ

OR should i go for the crucial? :toast:

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Nice opty el r :) . Im making my chrismas list, anyone know the best 2gb sticks for our neo2 's right now :) Im going to upgrade my old AIW 9600xt to a 800xt AIW also, OR i could just go crossfire but why IM at 2.7 AND I already have an X2 4400. Ive bee thinking about this for a while now.

SO whats the scoop on the 2gb goodness, Anyone tried the OCERS EB on this board yet? http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...Unbuffered_OCZ

OR should i go for the crucial? :toast:

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heh, well you know me, i say OCZ! (i love to simple-rhyme)

aiit folks, got the 32m prime stable. upped ram voltage to 2.75v and also tried a diff combi of VID and % to get where im at of about 1.55 avg.... gosh i hate neo2 fluctuating vcore.

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/7...reen5pv.th.jpg

as it stands now im done for tonight. gonna start a prime blend test? i guues thats the best to do and let it run till morn. should be a good 7 hours and hopefully it runs thru the night. *wish me luck!

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Originally Posted by sideeffect

Are you sure? Check with cpu-z to see what your memory is at. In bios it wont tell you the correct frequency when you set 183.

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Originally Posted by zenzog

I think the problem is just at POST where it displays your memory 'speed'. It says 'DDR 200' instead of whatever... DDR 366? or so. Also when you look at your clock speed in the bios, I think it messes up and displays something crazy.

But it should be working with a 183 divider effectively.

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Thx both of u. I'm sure! Even MemTest shows me 200!!!
I have to run @ 183 divider. My RAM is running tooooooooo slow.
It can hit 250 but currently at 220!
Any suggestions?

I have a question regarding the SATA lock on the Neo2.

Currently, I have 2 SATA drives, which are on SATA3 and SATA4. I wish to add another SATA drive, which means I have to put it on either SATA1 or SATA2.

I also OC my system. I'm running a 3200+ at 240 x 10 = 2.4Ghz. I'm also using BIOS 1.36mod, and I haven't upgraded because I've had no reason to, since everything is working.

I was under the impression that when OCing, you should not use SATA1 and SATA2 because they are not locked. With the new BIOS is this still the case? Can I OC and use SATA1 and SATA2 without data corruption?

Any help appreciated.
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My system:
Neo2
AMD64 3200+: 240HTT x 10, at 1.550v
OCZ Plat R2, 2x512MB at 2-2-2-5 2.6v
ATI X800 AGP
WD Raptor 36GB and WD 250GB

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Originally Posted by StickBoy

I was under the impression that when OCing, you should not use SATA1 and SATA2 because they are not locked. With the new BIOS is this still the case? Can I OC and use SATA1 and SATA2 without data corruption?

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if you still wanna OC dont use SATA1 & 2 ( still not locked ), maby you can buy a PCI SATA card or something for the hd you wanna add.

or jst get a PATA ddrive and plugg it in there.

Thanks for the replys.

Even if it's not the answer I wanted. :mad:

guess no one has x2 ?? but i idid a fresh install and no more bsod for now it used to load in safe mode and after giveio.sys it would bluescreen but i couldnt read the error. but on a good note i got my ram back and its doing 285 with no errors so ill push higher :->

[IMG]http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8210/imga02760yz.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/6690/imga02781ga.jpg[/IMG]


got new heat spreaders too :D

[IMG]http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/9289/imga02793zc.jpg[/IMG]
all at 1t .. so it was the mem sideeffect :woot:

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Originally Posted by sideeffect

Heh thats funny :p: Did you have to do any chipset voltage mods msimax?

Your almost up to DDR2 speeds in that pic :cool:

If you find more stable timings in windows for the memory ill make u a custom bios that sets them on bios boot if you want.

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i might have to take u up on that offer

this thread will never die too soon.... :P..a little offtopic :P

what vdimm and bios are u using msimax? those look like some nice sticks :)

What the hell?!
What is this new problem I have?
Can't hit HTT 280 ro avobe! I'm about to puke. What's the problem? What should I do? I easily could reach even 320 now stucking at 275.
What's wrong with this board? i didn't like it the first day i bought it.

You should have sent it back then.

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Originally Posted by FlyingHamster

what vdimm and bios are u using msimax? those look like some nice sticks :)

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SE 1.cb3 tccd or something like that at 2.68v

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Originally Posted by msimax

SE 1.cb3 tccd or something like that at 2.68v

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2.68? how? there is a setting for that voltage?

heres how

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/show...postcount=2757

and i soldered a wire from the mb so i can adj down to 0.01v accuracy

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Originally Posted by Mehran

What the hell?!
What is this new problem I have?
Can't hit HTT 280 ro avobe! I'm about to puke. What's the problem? What should I do? I easily could reach even 320 now stucking at 275.
What's wrong with this board? i didn't like it the first day i bought it.

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maybe its the mem controler starting to fade! mine has on two 939cpus :mad:

yup ive had the memcontroller/cpu fade on 2 amd64 chips also.

its like if you overclock them and beat them real hard they are weak and they fade out. until you cant overclock very far at all.
both of mine faded down to about 250mhz max stable.

what happens if you lower the ram to 166 or 133 and run the same HTT or higher ?

hey all, well im stable at 2.9, bu i dont liek the amount of voltage i have to put to itt to get there. reason is becuz of the way the voltage fluctuates so wildy on this mobo. yall know of some way to add something to the board to steady the vcore out? let me know mane!

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/1...ehot7nb.th.png

Hi,
I just installed the 1.BRev2 TCCD bios on my Neo2. Then i booted up and everything went well, but now when I want to get into bios the only thing that comes up when I press del is a black screen with a blinking line.
What should I do?

Borre ENABLE k/b storrage support. :toast:

hm don't really understand what you mean :/
where do I do that?

Go into bios and enable usb k/b storrage support. No flashing cursor

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...13#post1038613 :toast:

No, I use a TT Big Typhoon.
That's exactly the same as I get, but I have no problem to boot into windows as long as I don't push del :/

sinister1st: Thanks a lot! I will try it in just a moment

@Ssider This is a problem with the new bios (on my board anyway). If he does a full shut down he will be able to go into bios, but on a RESTART :nono: upon entering bios you will get a blank cursor UNLESS usb k/b storrage support is enabled. I drove myself crazy when this happened to me :slap: :) but it worked. And i flashed the bios about 3 times and cleared the HELL out of cmos and its still there. Just a aggrivating bug i guess. I want to know if this happens to EVERYONE or just a few? I never got to see all the other errors that people were encountering like ENVOKE ROM or the other little goodies either.

sinister1st: Thanks a lot! It worked.

Touchdown!! Good I bet that stopped you from pulling your hair out :) So that is another with this problem so We know that it does happen thats a few so far on this forum i seen a few at msi. :toast:

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Originally Posted by SillySider03

Sinister, I had no idea...I am using BIOS v1.A0 and only have that problem, like I said, when my cooling goes below 0º. It's a handy trick to know for the future though, thanks...

Borre, I am glad you got it working.

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yea man, sideeffect made a revised version of the bios for folsk like you with sub zer ocooling so you dont get affected by that bug

sinister, i did have that same blinking cursor thing a while back with one of these 1.X bioses, but at the time it was confirmed here to be about the usb support.... and well.... at the time i was pissed it was disabled by default, since i use a usb keyboard, which is why it seems all the bioses SE modded since then comes with all them thing enabled by default. awesome.

no more funny msg, no more blinking cursor.

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Originally Posted by sinister1st

@Ssider This is a problem with the new bios (on my board anyway). If he does a full shut down he will be able to go into bios, but on a RESTART :nono: upon entering bios you will get a blank cursor UNLESS usb k/b storrage support is enabled. I drove myself crazy when this happened to me :slap: :) but it worked. And i flashed the bios about 3 times and cleared the HELL out of cmos and its still there. Just a aggrivating bug i guess. I want to know if this happens to EVERYONE or just a few? I never got to see all the other errors that people were encountering like ENVOKE ROM or the other little goodies either.

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Thats a good bit of info. :toast:

so now, everything works perfect with the new bios except one thing. I have problems to boot with 9x multi :/ any idea why?

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Originally Posted by sideeffect

You should have sent it back then.

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U think it's Mobo's fault? I think so... .

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Originally Posted by Zeus...

maybe its the mem controler starting to fade! mine has on two 939cpus :mad:

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WHAT!? Memory controller fading?
What do u mean? I mean what happenes? What causes the problem?
What should I do?

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Originally Posted by Lestat

yup ive had the memcontroller/cpu fade on 2 amd64 chips also.

its like if you overclock them and beat them real hard they are weak and they fade out. until you cant overclock very far at all.
both of mine faded down to about 250mhz max stable.

what happens if you lower the ram to 166 or 133 and run the same HTT or higher ?

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Wait. I don't get it! FADE!? R we running a circus?! :D
Why is that?
and What do u mean by saying what happenes.
I run my mems at 100 divider and can reach the highest HTT at 285! (PUKE)

Finally my account is activated!! :)
Could someone of you folks please help me with my neo2?
Two Problems:
1) After POST and just before the Windows Bootscreen shows up, the whole system hangs for about 20 seconds (at least). I tried different Bios Versions (1.B, 1.A mod, 1.8 and 1.5 which was installed first) and all do the same sort of s...
2) When I try to get my CPU Speed up to 2400 (2200 no problem), the systems freezes a few seconds after reaching the WinXP-Logon Screen. Never earlier, never later, just at that Logon Screen.
The Voltages can be between 1.35 and 1.5 Volts, the RAM Divider at 166 or 133 and at slow timings, it always freezes at the same position.

My system:
Neo2 Platinum,
3200 Venice E6
4x512MB Corsair VS CL2.5
R9800Pro
Samsung HD160JJ

Oh, and temps seem to be OK, as long as I can trust the Hardware Monitor in the BIOS.

PLZ :help:

hhm.. seems maybe i have this cpu fading thing as well, earlier in the day i could hit 2706, and 2 days ago i could hit 2740, before that i was able to go 2777. Each one crashed after a couple hrs with votlage ranging from 1.36 to 1.52, and right now i'm losing prime after a few minutes at 1.42 and 9x281 = 2534. this is getting really annoying.

also my temps are reading 48*, and that just has to be bull :banana::banana::banana::banana: because just built a very bad ass water block and i know my water temps are in the mod to high 20's, so there is NO WAY that my cpu is at 48*. I even touched the water block and it BARLEY feels warm. Idle is 43C and and now 50 full load. I know DFI boards are a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: to set, but i dont know if it can be more than this board has been to me. Also, it seems like maybe one stick of my ram is going bad too. I get blue screens and dumps with one stick and a bunch of memtest errors. With the other stick i got 3 erros in 3 minutes, but atleast it doesnt BSOD as often.

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Finally my account is activated!! :)
Could someone of you folks please help me with my neo2?
Two Problems:
1) After POST and just before the Windows Bootscreen shows up, the whole system hangs for about 20 seconds (at least). I tried different Bios Versions (1.B, 1.A mod, 1.8 and 1.5 which was installed first) and all do the same sort of s...
2) When I try to get my CPU Speed up to 2400 (2200 no problem), the systems freezes a few seconds after reaching the WinXP-Logon Screen. Never earlier, never later, just at that Logon Screen.
The Voltages can be between 1.35 and 1.5 Volts, the RAM Divider at 166 or 133 and at slow timings, it always freezes at the same position.

My system:
Neo2 Platinum,
3200 Venice E6
4x512MB Corsair VS CL2.5
R9800Pro
Samsung HD160JJ

Oh, and temps seem to be OK, as long as I can trust the Hardware Monitor in the BIOS.

PLZ :help:

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The E6 revision from what I have seen isn't a very good clocker. My house mates 3000+ E6 just will not go above 2.3GHz so he runs at 2.25GHz at 1.45v.

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Originally Posted by Schwede

Finally my account is activated!! :)
Could someone of you folks please help me with my neo2?
Two Problems:
1) After POST and just before the Windows Bootscreen shows up, the whole system hangs for about 20 seconds (at least). I tried different Bios Versions (1.B, 1.A mod, 1.8 and 1.5 which was installed first) and all do the same sort of s...
2) When I try to get my CPU Speed up to 2400 (2200 no problem), the systems freezes a few seconds after reaching the WinXP-Logon Screen. Never earlier, never later, just at that Logon Screen.
The Voltages can be between 1.35 and 1.5 Volts, the RAM Divider at 166 or 133 and at slow timings, it always freezes at the same position.

My system:
Neo2 Platinum,
3200 Venice E6
4x512MB Corsair VS CL2.5
R9800Pro
Samsung HD160JJ

Oh, and temps seem to be OK, as long as I can trust the Hardware Monitor in the BIOS.

PLZ :help:

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Hey. About yor first problem. I know something. Mine had the same also. it freezes for about half a minute and then the logo shows up. apperantly HDD problems. Like DMA or PIO. Set all your drives running in PIO mode and then test. Mine is 80GB IDE interface I changed my primary and secondary divices and that fixed my prob.

No body answered me. What's the problem?!
FADING?!

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Originally Posted by Mehran

No body answered me. What's the problem?!
FADING?!

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if you overclock your processor, then after some weeks your overclock is "FADING" away. so you cant get the results anymore you got in the past.

(this is only happening with some people that are stressing there cpu to much i think)

^^do you think 1.5v and 2.7ghz too much for an x2 3800?

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Hey. About yor first problem. I know something. Mine had the same also. it freezes for about half a minute and then the logo shows up. apperantly HDD problems. Like DMA or PIO. Set all your drives running in PIO mode and then test. Mine is 80GB IDE interface I changed my primary and secondary divices and that fixed my prob.

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Sounds like a good hint, I'll try that later.
Thx

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@Ssider This is a problem with the new bios (on my board anyway). If he does a full shut down he will be able to go into bios, but on a RESTART :nono: upon entering bios you will get a blank cursor UNLESS usb k/b storrage support is enabled. I drove myself crazy when this happened to me :slap: :) but it worked. And i flashed the bios about 3 times and cleared the HELL out of cmos and its still there. Just a aggrivating bug i guess. I want to know if this happens to EVERYONE or just a few? I never got to see all the other errors that people were encountering like ENVOKE ROM or the other little goodies either.

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Thanks for the tip. I thought I had a bad bios flash. Now I know its just bad bios programming.

Well you would be relieved to know that it also affects the official MSI release bios as well... Try SYAR's bios on msicomputer.com forums as an alternative.

Oh man something went wrong for me. I was ocing and screwing around with 3dmark with the 32OO+ venice at 2.75ghz on 1.6v. It froze and I didnt turn it off till like 5 seconds later, and now I can't get it to boot at all. It just does nothing, so did I kill the athlon (question mark keys broken on this notebook. It would be a shame since I got just got the athlon about 12 hours ago.

Try resetting the cmos.

Hey all, ive been getting some good stuff from this thread, now i have an issue. I flashed my Bios from the 1.8 to the 1.B, now if i change the CPU Vid in anyway, or the CPU Ratio my system posts with a multy of x5 and runs at half speed. also right now i have my system set running at 260x10 mem running 260mhz. But the Bios says my CPU is at 40 and mem at 400...Any ideas? thx
my cpu is a 3200 Venice.

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Hey all, ive been getting some good stuff from this thread, now i have an issue. I flashed my Bios from the 1.8 to the 1.B, now if i change the CPU Vid in anyway, or the CPU Ratio my system posts with a multy of x5 and runs at half speed. also right now i have my system set running at 260x10 mem running 260mhz. But the Bios says my CPU is at 40 and mem at 400...Any ideas? thx
my cpu is a 3200 Venice.

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I had the same problem. I have just stayed with 1.8, it seems to work the best with the Venice core.

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if you overclock your processor, then after some weeks your overclock is "FADING" away. so you cant get the results anymore you got in the past.

(this is only happening with some people that are stressing there cpu to much i think)

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Thx.
But why is that? u mean any one stressing the CPU will end up like that?

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Thx.
But why is that? u mean any one stressing the CPU will end up like that?

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May or may not and when it happens varies form CPU to CPU- your only guarantee is STD.

But these AMD64 dont last like the Bartons do.

Think I will be spending more on the Raw CPU power in future and not hoping for a good overclock (which may fade - both off mine have and I am left at 3200PR+ which buy chance just happens to be what I was running my Bartons at over a year ago - which r still running at 3200PR+ in the kids PCs)

Strange most of the people who talk about overclocks fading seem to have 3000 or 3200 + cpus.

I havnt noticed any fading yet on my 3700+. Fingers crossed. I'm about to buy a opteron 146 for my mums pc im building :p:

If its really really good cpu she might end up with a san diego 3700 but it would have to be a 3ghz on air chip :cool:

Sucks that my mum is going to get a Nforce 4 with opteron 939 2gb of memory and a 19 inch tft :mad: And i have to build it then give it away :slobber:

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Strange most of the people who talk about overclocks fading seem to have 3000 or 3200 + cpus.

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I've suffered the dreaded fade on a Winchester 3000+. The chip was never a great overclocker, but it went from 24hr prime stable at 1.5V, 250x9, 2.5-3-3-10 to not passing prime even at stock. In the end, running prime with 2-2-2-7 timings at stock speeds would fail in moments - something that I know the chip was capable of when new. The fade took about a month to set in.

Replaced the CPU with a Clawhammer 3500+ in the same system and everything was solved.

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I've suffered the dreaded fade on a Winchester 3000+. The chip was never a great overclocker, but it went from 24hr prime stable at 1.5V, 250x9, 2.5-3-3-10 to not passing prime even at stock. In the end, running prime with 2-2-2-7 timings at stock speeds would fail in moments - something that I know the chip was capable of when new. The fade took about a month to set in.

Replaced the CPU with a Clawhammer 3500+ in the same system and everything was solved.

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This happened to me with my first winchester 3200+ which was originally air-cooled. It is the excess heat that affects these chips as my second one (3000+) went on happily for a year in my prommy @ 2.8ghz never ever giving me a problem.

Hi, got a problem with my neo2 plat, am new to this motherboard and not to sure on some of its faults, I flashed straight to 1.b bios no problems

The main fault I have is running my 148 Operton on a divider e.g.:

2.8 – 2.9GHz on 1/1 is fine rock solid this running 2 x 512 crucial ballistix.

If I try this on a 166 divider at above speeds (10 x 290) it’s also completely stable in windows, but once the system has been powered down it will not reboot need to clear cmos. Have tried all voltages and HTT multis 2x 2.5x 3x etc.

Any ideas, I’m thinking maybe the bios flash didn’t work to well.

TIA

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Hi, got a problem with my neo2 plat, am new to this motherboard and not to sure on some of its faults, I flashed straight to 1.b bios no problems

The main fault I have is running my 148 Operton on a divider e.g.:

2.8 – 2.9GHz on 1/1 is fine rock solid this running 2 x 512 crucial ballistix.

If I try this on a 166 divider at above speeds (10 x 290) it’s also completely stable in windows, but once the system has been powered down it will not reboot need to clear cmos. Have tried all voltages and HTT multis 2x 2.5x 3x etc.

Any ideas, I’m thinking maybe the bios flash didn’t work to well.

TIA

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sometimes i get that same prob i just keep hitting reset about 3 or 4 times till it post

Yes its a cold boot problem Whap. You might have better luck with 1.8 bios which seemed to scale to higher HTT before cold boot started happening. Or you could set all your parameters then boot with bios set to lower speed and raise clock in windows.

Or instead of shutting PC down restart it and lower HTT then turn off pc when you reboot it should boot and you can raise clock again. Thats a bit of a hassle everytime though :p:

Hi all again,
after sending back OCZ Gold I installed 2x512 Geil Ultra-x (BH-5 UTT) + OCZ Booster and hae still problems. With even stock settings (2.8V Vdimm) system cannot load Windows with CR 1T - it resets when Windows desktop appears (OCZ worked at least with such settings :(). Strangly, changing to 1T in A64 Tweaker (boot with 2T) is possible and system is stable. Changing timings doesn't help, only 2T works within bios? WHY? Memory probably not, so it leaves mainboard, cpu or I set-up something wrong (bios 1c, tried stock & 250/div166, Vdimm 2.75 - 2.85).

ps. OCZ Booster for now is not mounted because my Enermax doesn't support -5V rail & led display doesn't work :(

@Nossie

How Ultra-x is working with your system?

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May or may not and when it happens varies form CPU to CPU- your only guarantee is STD.

But these AMD64 dont last like the Bartons do.

Think I will be spending more on the Raw CPU power in future and not hoping for a good overclock (which may fade - both off mine have and I am left at 3200PR+ which buy chance just happens to be what I was running my Bartons at over a year ago - which r still running at 3200PR+ in the kids PCs)

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Really?!
sorry to hear that.
So my overclocking is now fading? :(

hey i was wondering. the new bioses stil exhibit that sneaky issue where you set 2-2-2 timings butt if you over a certain voltage it goes to 2-3-2?

lemme know.
and i have had some cold boot issues, but not with my 290x10... only if ive tried over that (to get around mem controller issues with the optie to try to get mem speed up)

maybe i can try 1.8 again for higher htt, or i can try it in windows first to see... anyhoo wondering big time about hte ram timings vs voltage

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@Nossie

How Ultra-x is working with your system?

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My Ultra-x bh5 + ddrbooster sucks on my neo2. cant get any higher then 218mhz with them on this board. tried serveral bioses and almost every setting in the bios and a64tweaker, but higher then 218mhz = no go :( even if i put 3.6v on them. ( i have the 54-G neo2 version, can hit 300+HHT with a memory divider. )

but until 218mhz i can use the tightest timings etc with only 3.1v. so i think this board is holding me back, or a verrry crappy cpu memcontroller.

( in the DFI nf4 board at my work these sticks do 240mhz 2-2-2-5 EASY 3.3v ).

and btw, these sticks need 2.9+v in order to get them stable @ 200mhz 2-2-2-5 1T. Without a ddr-booster try 200mhz 2-3-3-6 @ 2.85v then they will run great.

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Yes its a cold boot problem Whap. You might have better luck with 1.8 bios which seemed to scale to higher HTT before cold boot started happening. Or you could set all your parameters then boot with bios set to lower speed and raise clock in windows.

Or instead of shutting PC down restart it and lower HTT then turn off pc when you reboot it should boot and you can raise clock again. Thats a bit of a hassle everytime though :p:

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Hi Thanks for the replies was actually driving me quite nuts :) with about 200 clearing of the cmos I think I will leave it at 1/1 makes life all so much easier.

Have found that the crucial ballistix scales nicely 11 x 264MHz 1/1 @ 2.5 / 3 /3 / 8 / 2T – 1T goes out the window after 250MHz.

One other slight annoyance soz if it’s already been covered but my Optical mouse stays lit when the system has been powered off, is this normal, but on a plus note I can find the computer in the dark :bounces:

Thanks Whap

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My Ultra-x bh5 + ddrbooster sucks on my neo2. cant get any higher then 218mhz with them on this board. tried serveral bioses and almost every setting in the bios and a64tweaker, but higher then 218mhz = no go :( even if i put 3.6v on them. ( i have the 54-G neo2 version, can hit 300+HHT with a memory divider. )

but until 218mhz i can use the tightest timings etc with only 3.1v. so i think this board is holding me back, or a verrry crappy cpu memcontroller.

( in the DFI nf4 board at my work these sticks do 240mhz 2-2-2-5 EASY 3.3v ).

and btw, these sticks need 2.9+v in order to get them stable @ 200mhz 2-2-2-5 1T. Without a ddr-booster try 200mhz 2-3-3-6 @ 2.85v then they will run great.

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Uuuu, that sucks. I cannot make 1T independently of any timings (tried even 2.5,3,3,9 @ 200MHz). I think I will change the board to Asrock 939Dual-Sata2 or try with another CPU.... I had also problems with OCZ Gold, couldn't make over 200MHz at all, so RAM should be ok I suppose.

My system still takes a coffee-break while booting, although I messed around with many of the SATA-Controller settings.
BUT, since I raised the voltage of my RAM to 2.7, I am able to reach a HTT of 295 with a divider of 133 and a multiplier of 9. At 300 it isn't going to boot at all.
Any suggestions how I could get the 300 (would be nice to have the ram running at 200Mhz again).
And I still need a solution for the bootup, plz.

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Hi Thanks for the replies was actually driving me quite nuts :) with about 200 clearing of the cmos I think I will leave it at 1/1 makes life all so much easier.

Have found that the crucial ballistix scales nicely 11 x 264MHz 1/1 @ 2.5 / 3 /3 / 8 / 2T – 1T goes out the window after 250MHz.

One other slight annoyance soz if it’s already been covered but my Optical mouse stays lit when the system has been powered off, is this normal, but on a plus note I can find the computer in the dark :bounces:

Thanks Whap

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Yes Crucial ballistix arent to bad on Neo2 i run mine at 2.85 volts and they do 250 @ 2.5-2-3-8 at 1T using my ballistix bios. The light on your mouse is probably part of acpi go into bios and Power Management setup. See if something in there is enabled that is causing it to stay powered.

What cpu are you using 3700 + ?

Hey guys anyone running 2x 1gb sticks? Im thinking about getting some for christmas. I want 1t. I shouldnt have any problems running them 1t at ddr400 (stock)? I was able to run 4x 512s all four dimms but ddr 333 if I remember right.

Im looking also sinister. Best cheap buy are the crucial 3200 value modules rated at 3-3-3 but apparantly do much better.

GeIL also do a value set for about the same price im trying to find info about that at the moment.

The Crucial ballistix 1gb sticks are a good choice they use handpicked versions of the value micron chips so thats why the value is always worth a lucky purchase.

Anything that uses Infineon memory is good for 1gb modules OCZ is probably the best bet they use handpicked Infineon ram in their top range product and it scales well at good timings. Its expensive though to much for me :mad:

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Yes its a cold boot problem Whap. You might have better luck with 1.8 bios which seemed to scale to higher HTT before cold boot started happening. Or you could set all your parameters then boot with bios set to lower speed and raise clock in windows.

Or instead of shutting PC down restart it and lower HTT then turn off pc when you reboot it should boot and you can raise clock again. Thats a bit of a hassle everytime though :p:

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whatever happened to holding the insert key what happend to this feature????

silly question, im trying to flash my bios on my Neo, but in winflash i keep getting a file size error. i even tried using the one in live update, that winflash says the file size doesnt match the bios. any help is appreciated. thx

Titatinum DO NOT USE LIVE UPDATE :) If you like winflash and using it dont restart if you get any errors or you will kill your bios chip. Just keep flashing it untill it works and use the 1.76 version. Check all boxes and dont let the program restart for you. Shut down manually after flash and unlplug psu and clear cmos/then go into bios and load failsafe/optimixed defualts. And when using winflash make sure you dont have any other programs running in the background (at all) ALSO make sure when flashing you are at failsafe defaults or stock.

SE thanks i was thinking the same about the crucial :toast: but i think they have to use alot of volts right?

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Died with 1.8 :(

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SE thanks i was thinking the same about the crucial :toast: but i think they have to use alot of volts right?

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No They dont like voltage that much. 2.85 should be more than enough. If the Geil turn out to be infineon chips though they have to be a better buy.

thanks SE are those these?

http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...L2KIT12864L503 :)


or there is the cheaper set i think Z503s

http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...L2KIT12864Z503

The 503s are 300 bucks the trackers 400. Is it just a hundred dollars more for the leds :) ?

Sorry if this has been answered already....

Am I correct by saying that the first picture at the beginning of this thread is showing the Ram sticks in a "SINGLE CHANNEL" configuration?

I am trying to find a Socket 939 board that OC's like a maniac yet has this spacing between the rams because my ram sticks have heatsinks epoxied to them and need space. I can only see the Asus A8V Deluxe as the only other decent board with this configuration. :(

I keep seeing people saying "this board is different than other 939 boards" but the wierd thing is that almost all of the other 939 boards have the side by side dual channel configuration, so to me it doesn't seem all that different :confused:

Thanks.

Yes breathless, side by side but different colors is dual channel with this board.

heh 939 but if you have pci express, get a dfi, they ahve the space between the slots.

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thanks SE are those these?

http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...L2KIT12864L503 :)


or there is the cheaper set i think Z503s



http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...L2KIT12864Z503

The 503s are 300 bucks the trackers 400. Is it just a hundred dollars more for the leds :) ?

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Yes lol the most expensive LEDS I have ever seen. The memory chips are the same I really dont get Crucials pricing they keep making mistakes like that. I would buy the $300 set thats a major bargain. Its cheaper than the 3200 value set. Maybe they made a mistake with the price. In England if they make a mistake they have to sell it for published price dont know about states but it is seriously a bargain.

They're selling them in England for 140 dollars more ........ just love that :confused:

Looks like Ill have to make a choice between the ocz eb or the crucial. Maybe something else will pop up before xmas. :toast: