They are making a FTW and Classified with the ACX cooler: http://www.evga.com/articles/00746/#3788
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They are making a FTW and Classified with the ACX cooler: http://www.evga.com/articles/00746/#3788
http://www.evga.com/articles/00746/i...88_650x418.png
Base Clock: TBA MHz :rolleyes:
They're all 3 GB. From what I read on [H] you can safely overclock past Titan specs. I just picked up the basic 780 EVGA.
Get 'em while their hot!!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...+780&x=22&y=14
http://www.techpowerup.com/184364/as...-graphics-card.Quote:
ASUS will also be showcasing GeForce GTX 780 DirectCU II graphics cards with a completely redesigned cooler at Computex Taipei 2013
Hope a new shape i am tired of the same DirectCuII cooler shape on all their cards
Only because titan exists at its stratospheric pricing. If only GTX 780 was out .... wouldnt amazing deal be 550$
@Tranceformer asus coolers and some friends having not a great experience with 580 dc and stuff I rather like the MSI coolers now.
Mmm so do you guys think nvidia can pulloff a 790 or is this much bigger and hotter than 680 ?
I picked up two ASUS GTX 780 just an hour ago. Exciting.
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/8510/slisetup.jpg
GTX 780 live review in a few minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=9eHCdaxX05c
Bleh Aussie e-tailers never do stuff like a midnight launch.
-PB
Since when is $650 a good deal? lol
Its like when gas went from $1.50 to $4.00 and now its down to $3.25 and everyone thinks "ZOMG GAS IS SO CHEAP NOW!"
My eVGA Superclock 780 (titan cooler) has tracking and is due in tomorrow via ups overnight :D.
Bleh, I feel like a fool for even replying to you because I know where this is going to lead. But anyways. You can't get a better performing single-GPU card (besides the Titan which is just insanely overpriced). You CAN get a card that trails by 20% for $200-250 less, which means you're paying ~40% more for 20% more performance. If the absolute best matters to you, then of course this is a good deal. That doesn't mean reviewers should be saying "Look at the Titan! This is great value because it's the same for less!". Less than terrible value is still bad value. You can't call the 780 "good value", it isn't. You can call it close enough to the Titan, and then decide how much money that little bit of bragging rights or whatever is worth to you.
Have 2 reference EVGAs on the way for tomorrow :) I'm curious how they scale with PCIE 2.0 though. I'll probably look at haswell and Z87 once I get my tax refund but honestly doubt PCIE 2 will be an issue yet. Don't think anyone has compared Titan SLI at different bus speeds yet.
As far as the value prospect goes of course they aren't good for the money but peoples need's / want's differ. I wanted some more grunt for my native resolution and I won't touch AMDs leaf blower 7970GE and their wonky drivers personally so this is my option.
Wow, someone put up some overclocked SLI benchmarks please...or link to some? Don't forget a reference point also, I need to see a comparison...thanks.
Im pretty sure the first card to cross the $500 barrier was the 7800GTX 512MB and everyone thought it was absurd. IMO, everything done in the past 5 years has just been a money grab for the most part. I mean seriously, its how many years later and Crysis 1 is still the best graphical FPS game? Its not that video cards are progressing that much, but more that games have stopped progressing.
2005: "How do we make more money? Lets find a way to sell more than one card to each customer instead of improving upon 1 as much as we have in the past. SLI Invented, profits go up."
2013: "Anyone remember that we can just make a good single card? Oh yea! But lets charge the price of 2 of our usual cards just to make up for having to do something. We'll then wait a few months and release a chopped down version which would normally be $500 and we'll charge $650 and people will think its a deal! lol"
I think who bought GTX TITAN card (1000$) now When he sees the new card GTX 780 (650$)
he will definitely feel like jay z :D
http://abload.de/img/tumblr_mffv5n6ytq1rx0k4azi.gif
Pretty much... I see people on various forums scrambling to come up with random justifications as to how their Titan is so far and away amazingly superior, and dismissing price out of hand. The funny thing is them thinking they need to justify it to anyone in the first place (I think it's a ripoff with the 780 on the scene now, as you're talking 50%+ cash for... 5% performance, which is out of line even with normal premium cards), and then go rambling about it.
I own 2 Titans and yes I today I look like a FOOL !
No other way to put it, Nvidia ripped me off.
Been doing this since Voodoo biggest rip off that has happened to me.
I read the benchmarks, no need to buy Titan now, I am actually embarrassed to admit I fell for it.
I wonder how the 780 quad sli anyone seen any reviews ?
For someone like me who only builds a new system every 4-5 years $650 is worth it. My sons X800XTPE just died 3 months ago on his socket 939 system. I bought it on ebay for $600. It took 9 years for it to die! Worth it.
But for those that swap gpu's like hookers, it's not as economical...
I can't believe someone even voltmodded this already! People's got some skillz round here!!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...28#post5189528
EVGA SC = Titan at 50% of the price lol.
-PB
I was REALLY tempted and wanting to get a Titan, but I knew it was just not a smart buy :(... sorry to hear this post, it's not good to hear anyone feels ripped off. I have felt the same way with buying a Collector's Edition of Star Wars: The Old Republic, and a lifetime sub for The Secret World when a couple months later they took away the subscription fee entirely (made it free) :eek: .
My Titan SC arrived four days ago. I do not feel like Jay Z because:
1. It has double the VRAM and I don't have to think about my AA settings or texture packs.
2. It still performs higher than a 780, and I wanted the fastest single card I could buy.
3. There's always something faster/cheaper coming.
EDIT: LOL, I guess I'm one of Golden Tigers "rambling justifiers". But seriously, we're talking $350 here if the cards were the SAME. If that amount of money makes you feel like a guy getting shot, you shouldn't be buying high end video cards anyway. When I bought the 990X in that box for $1000, there was a $500 cpu that performed within 10%.
You should be embarrassed for posting this, because your two Titans are the far better choice for your 75X14 resolution. 3GB VRAM won't cut it for that.
I should note, I'm not trying to be the Titan or NVIDIA defense league here. Obviously for most people 780s are a better buy.
But Titans can be OCd as well, have higher than stock clock versions, and there are reasons to buy them.
Just having double the VRAM, more shaders/TMUs makes them worth more, the only question is "how much"? I'm just not ready to go throw rocks at the NVIDIA building because they made a cut down version of the same card that is more affordable.
Dirty dirty trick imo but its not their fault people today are suckers for marketing and impatient for new stuff (myself included).
You would if you didnt feel compelled to defend your beloved nvidia. "Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder." :D
Rollo I dont mean to be personal but it does look like that im sure lots out there got a single titan (only coz they cant afford 2) and now they look at 780 gtx and feel like crap only weeks after receiving their titan's, I can completely understand if they suicide bombed nvidia building..... i mean they just threw away money.
What's with stuff like this. No matter how bad a company they don't deserve death threats or hate on this level. And this is why nvidia needs defenders against haters. Talking about suicide bombing suicide any company isn't a funny joke or a threat and show crazy amounts of hate. I remember people talking about murdering nvidias CEO a few years back. Nvidia hasn't done anything particularly that amd hasn't commit as well recently and they get excessive hate while amd is adored.
At least the GTX 780 price ain't so bad, however, the Titan price is too extreme and was so not worth it, even the 6GB VRAM isn't worth spending $1K, the GTX 780 is a better buy.
I've had both your rigs (7970CF and 680SLi) running 1600p, and neither does it as nicely as my Titan SC. The 680s were close, but the Titan still runs the games smoother.
The guy talking about "suicide bombing": 1. Get help. 2. The highest end products are never "bang for buck".
Aww come on tajoh I dont mean that literally just trying to say its a very very low trick and its bound to leave many people very very angry.
@Rollo 1. do you have a nvidia certified quack ?
2. no one's expecting top end products to be bang for buck, just not 99% less bang for buck than the next expensive "not bang for buck" product. (before you get on my back and say its not 99% just some other high number its like how i said suicide bombers but just to make it all better I promise to go to confession and absolve my sins for wishing suicide bombers on your beloved nvidia. Of course im pretty screwed if the lord is running SLI)
Peace !!
Sorry but if people are stupid enough to buy a $1000 card they don't really "need" and are upset because they don't realize that a cutdown version was coming in a couple of months, they deserve it.
It was pretty dang obvious that this was coming... Some people knew in Feb.
The guy was not talking about himself personally suicide bombing...again you manipulate what others say for the sake of your own argument, get real dude.
If you need to take a :banana::banana::banana::banana: do it in the toilet, not on the forum for everyone else to see.
It's a poor taste joke that only an extremely evil person would deserve.
If someone said a lesser negative thing about amd. People would jump on that person and they might get banned.
E.g if someone said it would be cool if amd burned to the ground for raising the prcing game this generation with the 7970 and 7870 initially.
Amd and nvidia play very similar strategies at the moment.
Titan offers FP64 at 1/3 speed of FP32, wheras the GTX 780 is restricted to 1/24. Titan is outside of the gaming product stack for a reason. It may be only marginally better than the GTX 780 for gaming, but it offers more beside.
If gaming is your only concern, then the GTX 780 offers far better bang for your buck - which is to be expected as it is purely aimed at the gaming market.
Wait until you see the prices of the gk110 Quadro - the Titan will comparatively start to look like very good value.
Neither is greedy, or evil.
Both are just doing what all businesses all over the world do- selling their products for what the market will bear to maximize profit.
If people don't like the prices, they should not pay, because that is the only thing that will change the pricing.
I just hope we see custom pbc boards and titan chips for prices closer to 780 prices and not titans.
For 1g the pbc is total garbage on titan on 780 its still a rip off too.
No way a hobby vga modder should touch either for this reason.
We wont see any i bet cus nvdia will get a hard on....what are they going to show in slides???? :confused:
780 lightning going 10% faster then the 1g card they sold you two months ago?
Or asus... look how we do it with the DCII nvdia!!! look we can make them better then the crap you give us to put stickers on.
That would make nv feel really bad and make me feel pretty good :D
Anandtech indicates otherwise - with the GTX 780 being restricted to FP64 at 1/24 FP32 speed compared to 1/3 speed on Titan.
http://anandtech.com/show/6973/nvidi...gtx-780-review
Care to show me the information you were making your judgement on?
Any reason for me gaming at 1920x1200 to upgrade from a GTX 680 to the GTX 780 besides just wanting new tech?
I really do not want to support this ridiculous pricing scheme.....
not really if you just keep settings to a liveable quailty and not go overboard with fancy aa.
If you have a custom pbc i'd say mod it and clock it but not if ref 680 cus they are weak also.... go figure
I have never seen a game take more than 2.8 gb of ram. Unless I went crazy with AA. This 6gb was never needed until we get 4k surround. The Promise was a premium Product premium price. I would act the same way if Ford release a mustang 5% slower than my GT500 for 30 percent less. The Titan was away for nvidia to raise the price of the 780 period, a money grab. AMD please bring something to the table. I think that anyone buying the 780 will be getting ripped the same way the Titan buyers where taken. GTX 780 $499 is what it should have cost and Titan if only a little faster should have been $750. No need to worry plenty of suckers will jump on the 780 as I did the Titan and every card before.
the new EVGA is faster then Titan
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/E...SC_ACX_Cooler/
It was a badass card! It was the only card at the time that could run Doom 3 @ 1600x1200 on my Dell 2001fp. I bet if I re-grease the heatsink, cause I haven't done it since 2004, I bet it'll still work. It was a horrible overclocker though. Would artifact a little past stock.
Yes, and I remember when ATi released the X1900 XTX for 649usd.
It had 25MHz more on the core than the X1900 XT and 50 more on the ram yet it was +100usd over the XT.
They are both GK110, and as such they both have FP64... any lock that Nvidia put in place would be hardware based only and restricting you from the capabilities that you payed for. That'd just be rude! But yes, in the link you posted the double precision performance is bad. Really curious how they managed that.
EDIT: The chip has the capability, they just locked the option in drivers. I'm sure there will be a workaround.
Gosh that brings back memories. I got one of the GTO2 cards that could be flashed to an XT PE. At half price. Those were the days.
But even so, high end at 650 is not in keeping with tradition. Sure, there are other examples, but they exist as outliers. Truth be told, nVidia is only charging this much because people are paying this much.
ok so at least 1 semi annouced non ref pbc(for the better)card so far
so i am glad to be wrong on that i posted before thinking nv has the pimp hand down
http://www.evga.com/articles/00746/#3788
Maybe because there has never been a driver lock like this in any history. At most I would think this takes a resistor ID tweak or something. 780 has the same FP64 hardware, it just needs the proverbial software switch to be flipped. And judging by the effort people will put into this stuff, it's a matter of time until they work it out.
So you are saying that past Quadro and Tesla use different silicon than Geforce?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6774/n...mance-unveiled
GTX580 was 1/8 FP32 even though 1/2 FP32 was possible.
Edit- Oh, I finally get what you are trying to say.
Still... it is highly unlikely.
So, the GTX 780 has finally arrived, and no one really cares 'thanks' to the GTX Titan.
Nobody cares? How so?
-PB
Given there are OCd versions that outperform Titan for gaming, and even the stock ones are ~10% less performance than Titans for 2/3 the cost, I think a lot of people "care".
I'd think anyone in the market for a high end gaming GPU would only consider a 780, unless they're a 1080p gamer and just can't spend over $400.. Those guys should nab a 7970.
how did you arrive at this conclusion? mine is overclocking quite well. A stock 780 can boost up to 900mhz... mine is boosting up to 1241mhz. That's better than my Asus 670 TOP. That's a 38% gain on clock speed, my ram is going up to the low 7ghz range. Thios card is by far the most fun i've had
The amount of work it would take to cut all of those bridges (it's not just one tiny bridge or something) would be incredibly cost inefficient. Also, if you understand how Titan can do FP then it's clear that it's a software switch that allows it to do FP64, if the "hardware bridge" was cut it wouldn't be able to do FP64 at all.
So it is clear it's simply a software switch and there is no reasonable way to hardware limit to 1/24 speed.Quote:
There is one other quirk to Titan?s FP64 implementation however, and that is that it needs to be enabled (or rather, uncapped). By default Titan is actually restricted to 1/24 performance, like the GTX 680 before it. Doing so allows NVIDIA to keep clockspeeds higher and power consumption lower, knowing the apparently power-hungry FP64 CUDA cores can?t run at full load on top of all of the other functional units that can be active at the same time. Consequently NVIDIA makes FP64 an enable/disable option in their control panel, controlling whether FP64 is operating at full speed (1/3 FP32), or reduced speed (1/24 FP32).
if nvidia was released 780 as 680 then there can't be any bundles that make me but 7970ge but 780 is not 680 and it is a bit late. while it has significant boost over last gen cards, there are still a very few games that make you thinking of upgrading from 7970ge or 680 to 780.
That 780 looks really good thanks to the overpriced Titan ! At this moment the Titan is just a benchmark toy. In real world gaming, the difference of 2-3-4 FPS will not be noticed. I predict Titan will slowly disappear from the market. They milked it first since they know that 780 would be the preferred card. Of course that's just my opinion. I hope we will be getting the modified 780 boards soon ! ;)
Tony Tim Logan pretty much confirmed there is a MSI lightning gtx 780 coming out and already has one.
http://youtu.be/0UHwBR2ToRw?t=10m In another one of his videos you can see the box in the background.
@ 10m
http://youtu.be/0UHwBR2ToRw?t=10m
Supposedly some higher ups in EVGA have confirmed that there won't be 6GB 780s coming out.
-PB
If you or anyone here understood how it works then you or somebody here would know how to enable or disable it, there would be no discussion.
So what is clear at this point is you nor nobody else know what to do no more than anybody else here.
Doesn't matter how its locked or unlocked, once somebody has done it for sure we will know...
I'm a hardware engineer, not a software engineer. All I can say is the hardware is there to do it, the software switch has to be flipped. Is it a matter of PCB resistor values (like Tesla vs. GeForce)? Is it a matter of BIOS card ID values? I can't say for sure, as I don't own a 780 and I can't fiddle around with the drivers. It doesn't mean I don't know anything about it :shakes: saying "you haven't done it, therefore you know nothing about it" is not a valid point. I know that there is the same FP64 hardware, it just needs the driver switch to allow them to run at their full speed, and it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to somehow "slow down" the hardware to 1/24 speed.
But yes, until someone actually makes the switch it isn't anything absolute. I'm just saying it's only a matter of programming, not hardware.
Is there a way to read and write the vBIOS on the 780 cards yet?
Can't get it to work :/
http://abload.de/thumb/bild2uujke.jpg
Tried via latest nvflash for DOS as well, same issue.
Running a EVGA 780 SC ACX.
Regarding the fact that the vBIOS is posted in the techpowerup vBIOS archive, it has to work (at least reading) in some way.
Have you tried this tool? Doesn't mention GK110 support but it can't hurt to try.
Thanks, the thread you linked gave me a golden hint idd:
Finally I was able to read out my vBIOS with the old GPU-G 0.6.4 and edit as desired:Quote:
You will need to extract your bios from your card with this version of GPU-Z
http://abload.de/img/vbjwuu5.jpg
Now I just need a working nvflash version to get it on my card :clap:
Interesting new development:
People selling Titans for $800-$900 losing $100+ in hopes getting the same performance with an OCd 780 and coming out $150 or so "ahead".
LOL-
"Aiiieeee! Must...not.....be...stuck...with...card that now looks overpriced!"
My Titan won't be the next card I replace, my 7970 will be, and only when AMD comes out with Hawaii.
Or they are doing this so they can get a 2nd 780 when the prices drop 50-100$ but ofc you cant see it that way.
Anyone know where to get nvflash v5.136, which is supposed to be the version needed to flash the 780?