The official GT300/Fermi Thread

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10-24-2009, 11:18 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

ATI had a tesslator way before dx10, even before dx9. They just needed to adjust it to the dx10 specs.

I wonder if this is actually one of the reasons why Fermi is being late... because ATI engineers have a ton more experience with tessellation, and it's the biggest change from DX10.
10-24-2009, 11:20 AM
N19h7m4r3

Sure didn't the old Radeon 8500 feature a Tesselator?
10-24-2009, 11:24 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3

Sure didn't the old Radeon 8500 feature a Tesselator?

Yep. They had that TruForm thing also. For smoothing surfaces etc. There were even patches for a few games.
10-24-2009, 11:34 AM
Chumbucket843

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Originally Posted by zalbard

I wonder if this is actually one of the reasons why Fermi is being late... because ATI engineers have a ton more experience with tessellation, and it's the biggest change from DX10.

its late because of yield issues. it taped out a while ago.
10-24-2009, 11:46 AM
Xoulz

Quote:

Originally Posted by zalbard

I wonder if this is actually one of the reasons why Fermi is being late... because ATI engineers have a ton more experience with tessellation, and it's the biggest change from DX10.

I brought that up a while ago. ATI was already DX10.1 compliant and had less of an upgrade path to reach dx11, than Nvidia.
10-24-2009, 11:49 AM
N19h7m4r3

I really hope Nvidia's card isn't too expensive.
A good price/performance ratio is really needed.
10-24-2009, 12:01 PM
Helloworld_98

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Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3

I really hope Nvidia's card isn't too expensive.
A good price/performance ratio is really needed.

well if you find 500-550 US$ to expensive then no fermi for you.
10-24-2009, 12:07 PM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3

I really hope Nvidia's card isn't too expensive.
A good price/performance ratio is really needed.

Well it will probably have a good price/performance ratio. High performance for a high price.
10-24-2009, 12:11 PM
Sn0wm@n

the fermi 500 edition

500watts
500$
500 years before its out to public

nvidia make it happen pr wise LOL
10-24-2009, 12:14 PM
N19h7m4r3

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

well if you find 500-550 US$ to expensive then no fermi for you.

That's still alright. But I'll probably see it for 550 Euro closer to 600 over here :(
10-24-2009, 12:24 PM
Sn0wm@n

or wait for the super duper heater dual gpu version and save on heating cost????
10-24-2009, 12:25 PM
LordEC911

Quote:

Originally Posted by zalbard

I wonder if this is actually one of the reasons why Fermi is being late... because ATI engineers have a ton more experience with tessellation, and it's the biggest change from DX10.

Nvidia actually picked up one or two BIG names in regards to tessellation.
We will have to wait and see if it was worth it...

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Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

its late because of yield issues. it taped out a while ago.

When is "awhile ago?"
10-24-2009, 05:22 PM
cx-ray

I don't know whether this has been posted before? From what it looks like tessellation is quite demanding:
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...arks/Practice/

Personally, I was hoping for an almost free lunch on the new hardware.
10-24-2009, 05:40 PM
BeyondSciFi

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Originally Posted by cx-ray

I don't know whether this has been posted before? From what it looks like tessellation is quite demanding:
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...arks/Practice/

Personally, I was hoping for an almost free lunch on the new hardware.

I thought that at least some performance loss was to be obviously expected when tessellation was used. If you really think about it, 30-40% performance loss is quite minimal considering that the amount of polygons goes up well over 30 times.
10-24-2009, 06:00 PM
Chumbucket843

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Originally Posted by BeyondSciFi

I thought that at least some performance loss was to be obviously expected when tessellation was used. If you really think about it, 30-40% performance loss is quite minimal considering that the amount of polygons goes up well over 30 times.

MS said 20% faster with tessellation along with some other benefits like reduced vram utilization. i am sure the 5870 is maxing it out w/o tessellation because i can too. this bench is really pushing the shaders when TS is enabled.
10-24-2009, 06:21 PM
Luka_Aveiro

at least with rocks on the ground I believe CE2 did a very good job with Parallax Occlusion Mapping, quite a good final effect and performance hint was negligible.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1685/unbenanntfz1.jpg
10-24-2009, 07:32 PM
takamishanoku

Yup Crysis did a great job (very pretty game still need to finish it though)

Pics from my comp

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...enShot0605.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...enShot0606.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...enShot0274.jpg
10-24-2009, 11:18 PM
saaya

tesselation in unigine looks way better than occlusion mapping imo, and yeah its too bad that the amount of added polygons cant be adjusted...
would be cool to have a slider for it so you can basically adjust the level of geometry detail! that would be sweet!
10-25-2009, 04:16 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by saaya

tesselation in unigine looks way better than occlusion mapping imo

Did you have any doubts? :p: :rofl:
10-25-2009, 04:20 AM
Luka_Aveiro

nobody said it didn't look better, it does, I just stated that POM did a good job with small performance hit.
10-25-2009, 04:52 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro

nobody said it didn't look better, it does, I just stated that POM did a good job with small performance hit.

Not taking anything away from CryEngine 2, man! It is great for sure. Just wish it supported multicore, glad they fixed it in CE3.
10-25-2009, 05:19 AM
Helloworld_98

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Originally Posted by takamishanoku

Yup Crysis did a great job (very pretty game still need to finish it though)

Pics from my comp

Get the Real lifesis 2 mod when it comes out, to be honest except for pixelation on the edge of vegetation, it's very close to reality.
10-25-2009, 05:22 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

Get the Real lifesis 2 mod when it comes out, to be honest except for pixelation on the edge of vegetation, it's very close to reality.

Real Lifesis 1 appeared to look worse than on most screenshots, though. :(
People complained about excessive blur, too. Well, will see what RL2 has to offer! :D
10-25-2009, 05:29 AM
Helloworld_98

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Originally Posted by zalbard

Real Lifesis 1 appeared to look worse than on most screenshots, though. :(
People complained about excessive blur, too. Well, will see what RL2 has to offer! :D

http://www.crymod.com/thread.php?thr...tuser=0&page=8

those are the latest pics of RL2 on that page, make your mind up if you think it looks better or not :P
10-25-2009, 05:30 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

http://www.crymod.com/thread.php?thr...tuser=0&page=8

those are the latest pics of RL2 on that page, make your mind up if you think it looks better or not :P

Thanks mate, I'll check it out! :up:
Edit: looking good, sir! Will keep the track of it! :D

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