The OFFICIAL MSI K8N Neo2-939 tips and tricks guide thread

The 216 233 and 250 dividers dont work. Maybe thats what is confusing you. The dividers that work are 100 133 166 200. If you have a modded bios 150 and 183 will also work.

Use cpu-z to tell you the HTT speed and the memory speed it does it a lot better than a synthetic benchmark will.

so to run 1:1 you set memory divider to 200 then raise the HTT the ram and cpu will scale together. Then if you reach your memory maximum speed before the cpu has hit its limit then you use a divider on the ram.

What I mean about the bios not showing correct readings is. If you set 250HTT 1:1 the bios will show 400 instead of 500.

If you set 183 or 166 divider bios will show 333 if you choose 133 or 150 bios will show 266.

If you set 166 divider but raise the HTT so the memory is really at 200mhz it will still show 333.

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Which BIOS mod?

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The 1.C by SE.

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Originally Posted by sideeffect

Yes 205 1:1 shouldnt be a problem at all. What bios are you using ?

Perhaps its a problem with the 9x multiplier in the bios that your running. If your using 1.B try 1.8 and if your using 1.8 try 1.b :)

Also the memory might be running to loose. Post a picture in here of athlon 64 tweaker showing your timings.

If someone else has Bh-6 in here also post your memory timings :slap:

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Ok the working timings at 180Mhz

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/9009/a641804nf.jpg

and the timings at 210Mhz

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/6859/a642100qs.jpg

Write to real delay of 1 is very tight set that to 2.

Trc (12) and Trfc (18) is probably to loose for Bh6 try 11 and 15. Try Tras of 7 instead of 10. Set read to write delay to 2. See how that works might give you a few more mhz.

Then if you want to go any higher than that you going to need to drop down to cas 2.5 i think.

See how high you can go at 2.5-2-2-7 or 2.5-2-2-8. With trc 11 and trfc 15.

Then try again at 2.5-2-3-7

Set voltage to 2.85 volts. Put a fan over the memory if you can.

wonder if i should flirt with this :)

http://www.patriotmem.com/products/g...PC5600&catid=1
http://www.patriotmem.com/products/s...65125600el.pdf

can someone tell me what bios I have to use to get 240fsb 1:1 with 2-2-2-x timings and a DDR Booster? Pick from BH-die, BH-5, CH-die (Redlines). I want to use low latency since my TCCD won't give me high HTT using my Venice. I finally got my RMA board back so it's time to master this board. Tell me how to get this thing stable and what timings/voltage is best. If 240 isn't feasible tell me so I don't waste my time. Right now I'm using the 1A bios. Thanks for any help with this frustrating board.

what the hell.............I can't believe this, 3 processor, all sooo easily goes to 2500 but nothing can make them goes 2600 and beyond, different BIOS, different voltages, different divider, all different :D

makes me wondering : is my motherboard dislike 2600Mhz and beyond or it just playing a trick with me?
hahahahaha LOL

http://www.geil.com.tw/portal/overclocking.php for ppl that are intersting step by OC guide and more..

Anyone have the lowdown on the best Bios to use for a Neo2 / Manchester X2 combo? I just bought the CPU and should be receiving it in a couple of days. I have a winnie and I am looking to do a drop in place upgrade with the X2, I need lots of voltage 1.5-1.6 since I am phase change cooled :D

Because its a x2 you cant use the 1.36 bios which is the only bios with +18 percent voltage.

So you will be limited to about 1.65 volts in bios. A further 0.1 volts can be got in windows though. I would flash the 1.B bios for the x2 your getting its a good all round bios.

From testing with my san diego and vapochill above 1.65 didnt really help anyway.

Hey Sideeffect, I just tried ur 1B rev2 TCCD optimiced bios, but it was very bad in overall fsb gain compared to the 1.41b or 1.6 official. I easily get 270fsb 2.5-3-3-7 with those two, but I cant even boot at 265Fsb 2.5-3-3-7 with ur TCCD optimised one.. Have I missed something? I thought that I would gain better results with ur bios mod?

S!1v3rb: Sideefect didn't modify how the bios work or something like this..he released the bios to just simplify the end user bios configuration nothing more...The core of the bios wasn't modified so the bios is like the oficial one...He don't have the rights to made k8n neo2 bioses like he want.

Yep as Losphoron said.

My bios might/will help people compared to a default 1.B bios. cant really compare it to a 1.41 or 1.8 bios because they are different. The older bios files did seem to go to higher HTT over all. However a lot of peoples boards will still go to high HTT with the new bios.

Mne will still go up and over 300 HTT. Depends on what multiplier you use.

Thing is that the 1.B has more options and better support for cpus. So its worth using it over the earlier bios files as long as you dont have to lose to much overclock.

If you have a winchester cpu or newcastle then stick to the earlier bios's imo.

hey sideeffect, I am currently using the v1.B Rev2 with my 3500 winchester and GSkill TCCD. its a great bios, one of the very few that likes my TCCD and winnie. but my ethernet tends to drop a lot with this bios. wut other bios do u recommend??

Maybe you should just try different ethernet drivers. The nforce 4 packs work for ethernet with the neo 2. It just doesnt update the vga.

Has anybody tried a pair of GSkill PC4000 HZ 2 x 1GB on the Neo2?
Getting instability all the way, even at stock.
Which is the best BIOS for theses babes?

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Final results are:
CPU 2650 @ 1.6v.
RAM : 220 @ 2.70v
How bad I couldn't use 0.5 multies to get my RAM run at DDR500! :(
I HATE THIS MOBO. SIMPLY (BANANASSS!!!)!
I wish I had a DFI... .

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Has anybody tried a pair of GSkill PC4000 HZ 2 x 1GB on the Neo2?
Getting instability all the way, even at stock.
Which is the best BIOS for theses babes?

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I've managed to get this rig going with the 2nd rev of the modded 1B BIOS.
Have to check two more versions... ;)

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I want to buy some Geil Value (no money for the expensive ones)..
http://www.geil.com.tw/portal/product_400_t_b.php

please tell me your opinion about them and if it's worth to switch my Kingmax 512mb DDR400 to those..I read a review and it says that it reach 250fsb on many systems in 1:1 configuration...

Hey sideeffect, I finally found some ram that works in this sorry board. Would you suggest the 1B Billistix bios for UTT ram? My system liked the 1A bios but the cycle limit didn't like 16. Switched it in windows to 256 and all was good.

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I want to buy some Geil Value (no money for the expensive ones)..
http://www.geil.com.tw/portal/product_400_t_b.php

please tell me your opinion about them and if it's worth to switch my Kingmax 512mb DDR400 to those..I read a review and it says that it reach 250fsb on many systems in 1:1 configuration...

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I had the GEIL Value PC3200 for just one day and brought them back.

They were only able to run at 215Mhz instead of stock 200...divider has been 166...

My MDT were cheaper and make 230 without problems...

Thanks for the input sideeffect. :toast:

I will report the results back here once I have the CPU in place. I am hoping the memory controller on the new CPU is better since my memory overclock has been somewhat dismal with the current 3000+ winnie despite having OCZ rev 2 TCCDs.

I have some coolboot problems with a.B4. I can't boot my pc with oc (240x10 DDR480, etc), this oc is stable and only have problems with 1.A4b bios. Have 1.B final rev2 the same problem?


regards.

I did not see any recent posts about this, so here goes.

I am about to buy 2 gigs (2x1024) of OCZ. For those of you who have used this, which kind would be best for OC in your opinion? :)

dont get the platinum if you want to overclock. it only does 230 MAYBE 240. i have't tried heavy voltage yet, my DDR booster should come on Friday, we may see. But you'd be best off getting the gold if you want ocz.

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dont get the platinum if you want to overclock. it only does 230 MAYBE 240. i have't tried heavy voltage yet, my DDR booster should come on Friday, we may see. But you'd be best off getting the gold if you want ocz.

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lol, its probably your CPU not the neo2 limiting your OC to such low HTT.
Mine does 312HTT :P

Most peoples can break 290 easy

@Side-effect

Just flashed to your modded 1B rev2 TCCD bios and it is a no go for me :(

It get's past post indicating that CMOS values have changes, press F1 to continue, F10 for CMOS setup no problem but it freezes on NVRAID.

Here it what I tried:

Unplugged all PCI peripherals, reset CMOS,disconnected all IDE peripherals, removed 1 stick DDR and Left 1 stick closet to CPU (OCZ TCCD rev 2 plats) but it still freezes on NVRAID.

THe only thing left for me to try is an old stick of 256mb DDR I have lying around in place of the OCZ. If this doesn't work out I am going to have to hotflash the bios back to 1.36b in my Bro's board (Thankfully he has the same board).

But these Bios update woes are putting a damper on my X2 upgrade. If I can't get the bios upgraded beyond 1.36b then I won't be able to go X2 :(

I think the driving strength is a little sketchy on the modded bios. Thankfully I got the system to boot windows with my old stick of Winbond CH-5 installed in place of the TCCDs and used winflash to reflash back to 1.36b despite the fact I could not get into CMOS setup, it would hang if I would attempt to do so.

In short the system WOULD not boot with TCCDs in dual or single channel mode. I am going to take extra precautions from now on when I flash and flash with the winbond stick in place and then switch to the TCCDs for testing.

[IMG]http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8835/20io.jpg[/IMG]

well at least i know my board isnt holding me back

i think its either my x2 mem controller or ram, my ram does 610 at 2t but at 1t it does only 280-285 on a good day

what u think sideeffect :confused:

I would just stick with the 1T mode and run 1:1. 285x10. Would save voltage on the cpu and so would be cooler. Fast enough in my opinion :D

You have a very good dual core cpu there with both cores hitting 3ghz. My core also hits 3ghz at 1.65 volts but i run at 2750 on 1.5 volts 24/7.

Maybe this is buried somewhere in this thread...But my problem seems to be related to when flashing from a bios lower than 1.8 you must:

1) Clear CMOS
2) Program bootblock

use the following switches:

awfl833d.exe w7030nms.180 /py /sn /wb /cc /cd /cp /f /e

Obviously this reveals that MSI has ommited something in their new bios releases and this is in no way shape or form a reflection of sideeffects bios mods.

I think its because they added something.

The AGESACPU.939

That controls the dual core cpus and is only present in bios version after 1.8. Winflash still handles the bios correctly and as long as you shutdown after flash and CLEAR CMOS. There is never any problem. The problem comes because most people got used to just using quick clear cmos that winflash does which isnt a proper clear cmos it still keeps data.

With 1.36 to 1.8 you could just flash and restart and there would be no problem because its more of less the same bios. The 1.9 - 1.C is not the same bios.

Personally i flash then turn pc off let all power drain from board by removing power lead then clear cmos with the jumper. Then restart pc.

Hi, Sideeffect...
I'm having some trouble stabilizing my pair of GSkill HZ PC 4000 2 x 1GB over 255 FSB.
This same pair is doing about 275 @ DFI NF4.
Is there anything to be done with a new BIOS.
Can you help in anyway?

Tks
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Originally Posted by menlatin

dont get the platinum if you want to overclock. it only does 230 MAYBE 240. i have't tried heavy voltage yet, my DDR booster should come on Friday, we may see. But you'd be best off getting the gold if you want ocz.

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Like this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227219

hmm, im about to install one of these opteron's everyone loves... should i use one of these newer bioses you think? on my winnie i was gettin best results with hte 1.8mod3

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hmm, im about to install one of these opteron's everyone loves... should i use one of these newer bioses you think? on my winnie i was gettin best results with hte 1.8mod3

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Well the opterons are new cpus, so the best supporting bios will be a newer one. The 1.8mod versions are mainly made for the winchester and the same old cpus.

noone knows about Geils Values (with blue heat spreaders) and this board how works?

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Originally Posted by sideeffect

I think its because they added something.

The AGESACPU.939

That controls the dual core cpus and is only present in bios version after 1.8. Winflash still handles the bios correctly and as long as you shutdown after flash and CLEAR CMOS. There is never any problem. The problem comes because most people got used to just using quick clear cmos that winflash does which isnt a proper clear cmos it still keeps data.

With 1.36 to 1.8 you could just flash and restart and there would be no problem because its more of less the same bios. The 1.9 - 1.C is not the same bios.

Personally i flash then turn pc off let all power drain from board by removing power lead then clear cmos with the jumper. Then restart pc.

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Tried absolutely everything following all of the proper flash procedures and COULD NOT get into CMOS setup for any bios Higher than 1.8. I honestly don't know what gives...But I don't have the flexibility of turning off and on 50 times a second since I am running with a prommy (Restart delay)... I gave up for the time being, cancelled the X2 cpu order and flashed back to 1.36b... I am going to change the whole motherboard for the new DFI but this will require some more $$$ as I will need PCIe, etc... So my plans are on hold for the time being... :(

phobix are you using vapochill or some other extreme cooling? Because if you are the reason you cant get into bios is because the bios doesnt recognise low temperatures and so wont load bios setup.

The way to get around that is to use a bios with the temperatures removed. You can use the 1.A bios on my website. I can make you a 1.B version as well if you want. I had the same problem when i used vapochill. Removing the bios temperature values fixes it and the temperature still shows in windows with speedfan/mbm so its not big deal.

And you didnt try everything you didnt try air cooling to see if it was a cold boot issue :p:

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Originally Posted by sideeffect

phobix are you using vapochill or some other extreme cooling? Because if you are the reason you cant get into bios is because the bios doesnt recognise low temperatures and so wont load bios setup.

The way to get around that is to use a bios with the temperatures removed. You can use the 1.A bios on my website. I can make you a 1.B version as well if you want. I had the same problem when i used vapochill. Removing the bios temperature values fixes it and the temperature still shows in windows with speedfan/mbm so its not big deal.

And you didnt try everything you didnt try air cooling to see if it was a cold boot issue :p:

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Yes indeed, running a MachII here...

If you could make me a 1.B version that would be lovely :toast:

And you are right, I am lazy... :D Since you are a vapo owner you know how much effort it is to take the motherboard out of the case once installed! I hate redoing all the anti-condensation crap...

Yes I hate it to removing and installing vapochill..... Once its up and running its all good but diagnosing a problem is such a hassle :slapass:

Well yes i can make you a 1.B mod what version do you want with memory timings or just standard bios? Or would you prefer the newer 1.Cbeta bios?

Edit - I just made a 1.B rev2 No temp bios. you can get it from HERE

WOOOOOT :toast: :toast: :toast:

She works!! ;) Like a champ!

Thanks side-effect!!! Too late to undo my order cancellation... But this bios rocks... I am running the same overclock I have been with my winchester with 1.36b for the last year with 0 instabilities thus far and the best part is I am now X2 ready!

someone said this in another thread:

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Set the AGP voltage higher (since vAGP = Chipset vdd on the Neo2)

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is this true?!?! does vAGP = chipset vdd on the neo2??

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Originally Posted by Losphoron

noone knows about Geils Values (with blue heat spreaders) and this board how works?

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I answered your question right after you asked...look above...

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someone said this in another thread:


is this true?!?! does vAGP = chipset vdd on the neo2??

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hmmm... anybody? :D

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hmmm... anybody? :D

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I think it.s so on the via chipset since i have managed too get a higher oc
with 1.75 volt on the agp on a msi k8t neo fir. But i have never seen such an impact on the neo platium board.
xxbiker

Yes i also havnt noticed anything from upping the vagp volts. Its possible they do scale together but i dont think so from personal experiance,

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I answered your question right after you asked...look above...

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sorry man..I didn't saw your post.Scrolled too fast :D
Sorry to hear that..Should i go for my kingmax Super ram 512 ppc3200 ? No money for premium versions :P

Hi,

I haven't posted here in a while. Has anybody had a problems with AGP and bios's past 1.8, i.e. 1.9-1.c3 and X2 dual core cpu's? I have an X850XT PE and an X2 4400+ on my neo 2 platinum. I have serious problems gaming after about 3-4 hours where any game I'm playing will begin to slowly stutter to the point that it's unplayable. It does it with any game and the only way to fix it is to restart the system. Then it's good for another 3 hours or so. It seems like a memory leak of some sort. The big key here is that it only happens with bios's past 1.8. I understand that 1.9 and on are new bios's, but am wondering why it's doing this to my system. 1.8 and down I have no problems what so ever. I can game all day and not have a problem, but I don't get the dual core advantage. Also 1.9 and above everything else is great and works fine as far as dual core goes. It's just when I'm gaming. Any information would be helpful. :confused:
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I also have a Prometia which the bios's still don't see right because of the negative temperature. I still can't delete into the newer bios's without a temp mod. Anyway that's a side note.

ok..I want some cool ddr's for OC with this board for 60$ (512 ram PC3200 banks)...Want some suggestions from your experience..Thank you

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Hi,

I haven't posted here in a while. Has anybody had a problems with AGP and bios's past 1.8, i.e. 1.9-1.c3 and X2 dual core cpu's? I have an X850XT PE and an X2 4400+ on my neo 2 platinum. I have serious problems gaming after about 3-4 hours where any game I'm playing will begin to slowly stutter to the point that it's unplayable. It does it with any game and the only way to fix it is to restart the system. Then it's good for another 3 hours or so. It seems like a memory leak of some sort. The big key here is that it only happens with bios's past 1.8. I understand that 1.9 and on are new bios's, but am wondering why it's doing this to my system. 1.8 and down I have no problems what so ever. I can game all day and not have a problem, but I don't get the dual core advantage. Also 1.9 and above everything else is great and works fine as far as dual core goes. It's just when I'm gaming. Any information would be helpful. :confused:
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I also have a Prometia which the bios's still don't see right because of the negative temperature. I still can't delete into the newer bios's without a temp mod. Anyway that's a side note.

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If you look about 2 posts up from your post you will see the fix for negative temps and getting in bios setup. If you cant get in bios setup then it could be many things that are causing the freezing in games like fast writes on or ATI/Nvidia speedup etc etc etc. So get a bios you can get into and try again.

You know whats interesting. 1.45 + 10 percent doesnt = 1.63 volts. But when you set it with the motherboard thats what you get. Another interesting thing is that 1.45 + 18 percent does = 1.63 volts.

1.55 + 10 percent = 1.65 volts So I think MSI based the percentages off of 1.55 volts and when the cpus went to 1.45 volts they still get the benifit of thinking its 1.55 and so sets the percentage accordingly.

so whats going on here? Maximum voltage with the 1.36 bios was 1.75 volts. Thats 1.45 + 30 percent but that value is 18 percent ??? 1.55 + 18 percent = 1.73 so that fits in with my theory.

Well anyway im confusing myself thinking about it.

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someone said this in another thread:


is this true?!?! does vAGP = chipset vdd on the neo2??

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my journey to 400htt seems unaffected by using vagp worst case i see is damaging ur vidcard

u can try this but i didnt try it yet
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...chmentid=17105

hey SE can u mod ur 1.c for no temps

I'll mod 1.C final when its out in a few days with a no temp version.

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Originally Posted by sideeffect

You know whats interesting. 1.45 + 10 percent doesnt = 1.63 volts. But when you set it with the motherboard thats what you get. Another interesting thing is that 1.45 + 18 percent does = 1.63 volts.

1.55 + 10 percent = 1.65 volts So I think MSI based the percentages off of 1.55 volts and when the cpus went to 1.45 volts they still get the benifit of thinking its 1.55 and so sets the percentage accordingly.

so whats going on here? Maximum voltage with the 1.36 bios was 1.75 volts. Thats 1.45 + 30 percent but that value is 18 percent ??? 1.55 + 18 percent = 1.73 so that fits in with my theory.

Well anyway im confusing myself thinking about it.

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yea homie, ive noticed that too. didnt FULLY think it all thru and it seems you know why... cuz it hurts... but i wanted more than +5% or +8.3% and like using 1.55 setting + supn wasnt good enough. basically up here at 2.7ghz i didnt need WAY over 1.6v, i just need enough to be at or slightly below so what i did i think was to choose something in between 1.45 and 1.55 to see which ones did different things... anyhoo it worked i think. next time i jump into bios i'll check out what it was. oh and lookin forward to that 1.c, hopefully its good and looks like it will coincide with my new proc arriving

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sorry man..I didn't saw your post.Scrolled too fast :D
Sorry to hear that..Should i go for my kingmax Super ram 512 ppc3200 ? No money for premium versions :P

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Well, no problem! :)

I don't have any experiences made with the kingmax. So I won't say anything to it...

Just read that Samsung-Chips PC3200 can go much higher than made for. But I don't have a clue if they run on the Neo2...

is anybody running 2x1GB RAM on this mobo yet?

K tried it, but the system was unstable on high load (read: playing BF2) and everything pointed to a bad PSU as the 12V rail would drop badly, but now, when running 2x512MB RAM the 12V rail is solid?

any ideas/experiences from anyone?

laters

K

theDud3 what memories you have and how much you OC your Vinnie...

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Originally Posted by Special_K

is anybody running 2x1GB RAM on this mobo yet?

K tried it, but the system was unstable on high load (read: playing BF2) and everything pointed to a bad PSU as the 12V rail would drop badly, but now, when running 2x512MB RAM the 12V rail is solid?

any ideas/experiences from anyone?

laters

K

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Yep, check my sign it works great. Man BF2 rocks with 2 gigs. Maybe your ram is defective or needs to be of higher quality :)

they're Ballistix Z503's =/

but why would they make the 12V rail fall so drastically?

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they're Ballistix Z503's =/

but why would they make the 12V rail fall so drastically?

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Thats what I run with no problems. Still working on a good/stable top speed though. Some others are using them also.

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Originally Posted by flick

I have serious problems gaming after about 3-4 hours where any game I'm playing will begin to slowly stutter to the point that it's unplayable. It does it with any game and the only way to fix it is to restart the system.

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Got the same problem here with X2 3800+ Neo2 but after 30 minutes???? If you figure out what it is let me know and vice versa

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yea homie, ive noticed that too. didnt FULLY think it all thru and it seems you know why... cuz it hurts... but i wanted more than +5% or +8.3% and like using 1.55 setting + supn wasnt good enough. basically up here at 2.7ghz i didnt need WAY over 1.6v, i just need enough to be at or slightly below so what i did i think was to choose something in between 1.45 and 1.55 to see which ones did different things... anyhoo it worked i think. next time i jump into bios i'll check out what it was. oh and lookin forward to that 1.c, hopefully its good and looks like it will coincide with my new proc arriving

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Side effect i said this a long time ago and no one seemed to care.
i pointed out that the voltages in the bios were wrong with what is really being displayed.

oh well.

like i also said a long time ago someone needs to make a bios like Murdock did where there are no % anymore its all 0.80 all the way up to 1.7
all you do is remove the percant option but make anything over 1.45 equal VID + %
1.45 + 10% = 1.595(1.6)
so instad of having to set vcore of 1.45 then set % over VID @ 10%
you have the vcore automatically set it when you choose 1.6v

he made it work somewhat. it worked only for certain voltages in other words.
but it did work.

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like i also said a long time ago someone needs to make a bios like Murdock did where there are no % anymore its all 0.80 all the way up to 1.7
all you do is remove the percant option but make anything over 1.45 equal VID + %
1.45 + 10% = 1.595(1.6)
so instad of having to set vcore of 1.45 then set % over VID @ 10%
you have the vcore automatically set it when you choose 1.6v

he made it work somewhat. it worked only for certain voltages in other words.
but it did work.

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yea THAT would be nice to have. i dunno if its possible anymore?

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Originally Posted by Lestat

Side effect i said this a long time ago and no one seemed to care.
i pointed out that the voltages in the bios were wrong with what is really being displayed.

oh well.

like i also said a long time ago someone needs to make a bios like Murdock did where there are no % anymore its all 0.80 all the way up to 1.7
all you do is remove the percant option but make anything over 1.45 equal VID + %
1.45 + 10% = 1.595(1.6)
so instad of having to set vcore of 1.45 then set % over VID @ 10%
you have the vcore automatically set it when you choose 1.6v

he made it work somewhat. it worked only for certain voltages in other words.
but it did work.

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I dont think Murdok ever did that Lestat. Never saw a bios like that for neo2 from him. Yes it is possbile but its not a good way of doing it imo.

Theres 3 good reasons why it shouldnt be done only 1 good reason for it.

So yes its possbile no its not a good idea.

Only real way to do it is to force +10 percent then hide the option then rename all the values to take into account the +10 percent. Problem with that is +10 percent isnt always a good setting on peoples pcs. Its not as stable as pehaps +5 or +8.3 and if they are only using say 1.5 volts it makes no sence.

Best way to fix this problem imo is to rename the percentages their correct values like +10 should be +18 percent. Also 1.475 - 1.55 should be locked.

That would make the bios make sence fine for anyone with a winchester venice or san diego pc. People using Newcastle based cpus would lose 0.1 volts though.

Running modded 1.b here with an X2 and I can't get more than 1.55 volts. This is with the startup up VID at max and the percentage at max. Any suggestions on uping the Vcore a little more... I am phase change cooled so I am not really to concerned about heat.

Think your stuck phobix. Newer X2 cpus seem to have a max VID of 1.375 volts instead or 1.45. So thats where your losing out on the voltage.

Oh well, the good news is she is priming @ 2.7ghz right now. 300x9 memory @ 500DDR (166 divider) 2.5,3,3,7 1T. Pretty decent 24/7 overclock if she proves to be 100% stable which is what I need in my system.

I am starting to see the limitations of this board once you throw a dual core CPU into the equation. It is not so much the voltage but the amount of current these CPUs draw under load.

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Got the same problem here with X2 3800+ Neo2 but after 30 minutes???? If you figure out what it is let me know and vice versa

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Hey phobix,

I used driverheaven's driver cleaner pro, cleaned off all the nforce chipset drivers and the ati drivers, reinstalled nvidia's latest nforce drivers from their website and then reinstalled the latest catalyst drivers. The result is that online gaming with bf1942 and any mod no longer studders at anytime. However, if you enter single player mode after about 30 minutes the game will lock up, but you can at least ctrl+alt+del out and end the process. It sucks if you play single player, but works great now for online bf1942. I don't understand why, but it works online without any stuttering. Good luck and if you happen to come upon something else, let me know.

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Oh well, the good news is she is priming @ 2.7ghz right now. 300x9 memory @ 500DDR (166 divider) 2.5,3,3,7 1T. Pretty decent 24/7 overclock if she proves to be 100% stable which is what I need in my system.

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hey i also got a question for you man. at that exact memory timings and speed and settings, what is the voltage you set in the bios? i seem to error out at any setting above 2.6v

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Oh well, the good news is she is priming @ 2.7ghz right now. 300x9 memory @ 500DDR (166 divider) 2.5,3,3,7 1T. Pretty decent 24/7 overclock if she proves to be 100% stable which is what I need in my system.

I am starting to see the limitations of this board once you throw a dual core CPU into the equation. It is not so much the voltage but the amount of current these CPUs draw under load.

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Doesnt the x2 draw less power than the 0.13 nm FX53 or 55 though. Im pretty sure it does.

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Hey phobix,

I used driverheaven's driver cleaner pro, cleaned off all the nforce chipset drivers and the ati drivers, reinstalled nvidia's latest nforce drivers from their website and then reinstalled the latest catalyst drivers. The result is that online gaming with bf1942 and any mod no longer studders at anytime. However, if you enter single player mode after about 30 minutes the game will lock up, but you can at least ctrl+alt+del out and end the process. It sucks if you play single player, but works great now for online bf1942. I don't understand why, but it works online without any stuttering. Good luck and if you happen to come upon something else, let me know.

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Good tips!

I solved it by manually setting the affinity in task manager by alt+tabbing back to windows. I am sure that if I had re-installed windows it wouldn't be an issue but I have way too much time invested in my current build to re-install at this point in time.

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Doesnt the x2 draw less power than the 0.13 nm FX53 or 55 though. Im pretty sure it does.

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I think TDP at stock vcore is 89watts...However there is a cut-off point (Freq/Vcore) where the TDP is no longer linear. I can tell you 100% that it draws more than my winchester did at the same clock because my evap temps under load are 8c higher.

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hey i also got a question for you man. at that exact memory timings and speed and settings, what is the voltage you set in the bios? i seem to error out at any setting above 2.6v

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Could be your memory controller causing you grief. I had to lower my Vdimm considerably to get stability @ 500ddr, 2.6vdimm vs 2.85vdimm on the winchester.

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Good tips!

I solved it by manually setting the affinity in task manager by alt+tabbing back to windows. I am sure that if I had re-installed windows it wouldn't be an issue but I have way too much time invested in my current build to re-install at this point in time.

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Is there anyway to save the setting or do you have to do it everytime you start the game?

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Could be your memory controller causing you grief. I had to lower my Vdimm considerably to get stability @ 500ddr, 2.6vdimm vs 2.85vdimm on the winchester.

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damn. butt im on a winnie now :( and the bad thign is without more than 2.6v.... i cant use better than 2.5-4-4 timings :( *sadface

For Phobix and anybody having X2 problems of any sort with any mobo, espeacially with gaming, check this forum and this Microsoft article out. Great article and solutions to problems with gaming and X2 processors. Downloaded amd X2 drivers and Microsoft hotfix , along with registry change and all problems are gone. No more using affinity to fix the stuttering problems I was having in gaming. :D
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These are the problems I posted about twice and people replied with the stupid "turn your fast writes off" and such. I think the so called "experts" need to get a clue about some stuff before they post the obvious.

I sent my OCZ Gold back to shop after I lost a fight with it ;) Now, I want to replace it with OCZ Plat. rev. 2. Is it a good choice for this mobo? In what configuration (clock/timings) do you have it 24/7?

ok...I tested the Kingmax 512ram Pc3200 in OC steps..Seems they work at 225mhz (1:1) without errors.At 240mhz i have plenty errors in test 5 (memtest 1.60+).At 235 less .At 230mhz same..I ended up that 225mhz make a good ride..Is not bad for a value ram to do this.The ram have no heat spreaders.I should after some hours of gaming if they get hot..I should buy Kingmax DDR500 Hardcore..They are 84$ with my country taxes and all :banana::banana::banana::banana:s..I think is more cheaper than any other manufacture in this moment imo..They are bang for the buck..I saw a review and they got max 245mhz 1:1 with hardcore memory version..

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I sent my OCZ Gold back to shop after I lost a fight with it ;) Now, I want to replace it with OCZ Plat. rev. 2. Is it a good choice for this mobo? In what configuration (clock/timings) do you have it 24/7?

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dude. i tried that. i have and still love my ocz gold bh5's. tried to pop plati rev 2's in and well.... itt aint that big of a difference. especially since i cant run higher voltage than 2.6 into the platis or they get too hot. yes, hot, hotter than the max speed i took the bh-5's up to with max board volts of 2.85 (that speed being around 215)

Hmm, maybe mine were so bad. On stock 200 cl2225 worked fine (more or less ;)) but anything more (ie. 210- 220MHz) produced lots of errors (tousands) in goldmemory regardless of timings. Also on an old Epox 8rda+. Maybe just bad luck, don't know. I have to decide on these because I buy them through the company I work and cannot change sticks so easly like a private person.

I buy memory here: Alternate

Any tip what elese cen be good? (this 189€ is quite a lot and I think I wouldn't buy anything more expensive)

ouch...you guys payed alot for OCZ Gold and you get only 215...i get with my kingmax 512mb Pc3200 that are more cheaper at 225 mhz (without any error in memtest)..Goldmemory didn't tried..

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These are the problems I posted about twice and people replied with the stupid "turn your fast writes off" and such. I think the so called "experts" need to get a clue about some stuff before they post the obvious.

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Are you having a dig at people here ? Because noone here claimed to be an expert. Were all just NEO2 users. Noone here gets paid by MSI staff to help you out.

The fast writes suggestion is a common problem thats probably why it was suggested. Its not a stupid suggestion. The problem you found out doesnt even have anything to do with the NEO2 anyway its a problem with x2 cpus and windows OS so how the hell are we supposed to know about it if we have single cores?

Well anyway stop acting like the world owes you a answer.

I was frustrated because I do consider you guys more experts than the average joe. I didn't mean to come off that way. I was happy and should have just thanked everybody for their help. I apologize for the statement. Thank you for putting me in my place Side Effect. Much appreciated. :toast: :toast: :toast:

aiit boys, got my optie, so gonan try some new bioses out this evening, gonan grab SE's newest one. also, i gotta go abck and get the refresher for how to do the flash properly with this new cpu gettin put in. the whole cmos jumper pull, unpluggedness job

ok update on what occurred last night. so installed proc. restarted... checked settings in 1.8mod3 bios, set it back to near stock... mem still on div. quick like super pi run. then grabbed the 1.c std and tccd bioses from SE's site. decided to install the std of course cuz i will do the tccd one when i know that i like the extra settings thru tweaker.. but thats later on.

restart turn off, unplug cycle power etc. go back on, to bios... checked out hte settings.... i much appreciate hte organisation of this bios SE, nicely done in cell section but more importanlty, disabling all the useless crap from the other sections (liek sata 1/2 etc) that all of us enthusiasts always end up having to reset after a cmos clearing.

ok now into dram config... i see auto for a few settings, figure i can leave em so its like 2.5-a-a-10. yea bad mistake, cuz system wount post. had to unplug, clear cmos again... and then go in a set ma settings... i though auto was more passive... anyway.

tried 250x10 then 260x10 then 270x10. decided to do a few tests at 270x10. gosh this optie is hot. during that time, eatin dinner etc, i realise its REAL hot. then i see one of hte m1a's isnt spinning on the rad. so i look at all my wiring, curse a bit at hte fan controller, swap out fan wires, putt in a resistor. nothing workin. then i remember these panaflos have plug connects on BOTH ends of the fan wire. so i go around back, and use a pliers thru the grill to plug the fan wire back in (even tho i zip tied it speicifically when i built the sys).

anyhoo, tis all good. few more tests, up to 290x10. decided to burn in there cuz i know it needs the heat and the speed to eventually let the as5 cure and bring down the temps with these opterowns. but so far im liking the bios.. nothing to really compare to but this is the first time i could go past 1.8 bios reliably (since im upgrading from ma 2.7 winnie)

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aiit boys, got my optie, so gonan try some new bioses out this evening, gonan grab SE's newest one. also, i gotta go abck and get the refresher for how to do the flash properly with this new cpu gettin put in. the whole cmos jumper pull, unpluggedness job

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How is your OCZ Plat. Rev 2 working with optie, better than Winnie? ;) Just write some numbers, we all like numbers, don't we? :D (here was a baaaad mistake ;))


ps. So, what would you choose:

Ocz plat. rev2 PC3200 2x512 (TCCD)
OR
Geil Ultra-x PC3200 2x512 (new BH-5) + OCZ Booster?

The price of both kits is the same. Maybe OCZ Gold VX + booster (but here price is ~25€ higher)

I would be curious to see that as well :)

btw, anyone tried G.Skill Extreme 2x1GB ?

Model #: F1-4000USU2-2GBHZ
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231021

I think I am probably going to go with it.

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How is your OCZ Plat. Rev 2 working with optie, better than Winnie? ;) Just write some numbers, we all like numbers, don't we? :D (here was a baaaad mistake ;))


ps. So, what would you choose:

Ocz plat. rev2 PC3200 2x512 (TCCD)
OR
Geil Ultra-x PC3200 2x512 (new BH-5) + OCZ Booster?

The price of both kits is the same. Maybe OCZ Gold VX + booster (but here price is ~25€ higher)

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well im at hte point of burning in the cpu... so timings are the same as they were before, my issue is the way the damn dual channel is setup on this mobo with the sticks touching each other, makes it a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: to cool them. i have the booster, the bh-5 and the tccd.... none of which i have ever been able to successfully use to their potential. not even close. tccd is sucky timings and low volts.... the bh-5 is lack of cooling so nothing above 3v... i think the tccd issue is lack of cooling too.

Hi
Can it be that you forum doesnt work anymore sideeffect?
It does not show any topics ;(

Got a question... does this board not like 24->20 pin power adapters?

My comp hangs after a while, at random, when OCing. It's perfectly stable at stock, but once I get even the slightest bit out of stock, it will randomly hang. Sometimes I can be stable for hours, once I was going on for a whole weekend only to hang sometime on Sunday. :(

Also, I found this on the front page:
TIP: if you experience problems with Antec Neopower and Truepower PSUs and also with PowerStream PSUs, try Bios 1.37 and turn the PSU off after you shut down, seems to help as well

I use a 480w Neopower, but my problem isn't exactly what using the search function turns up. My computer (usually) boots up fine, sometimes it won't and I just try a couple times and it does.

I have 6 drives and a 6800OC, but I think an Antec 480w Neopower should be able to handle that. Also, I'm using a modded 1.C bios. I might try using 1.37 if I'm out of other ideas.

I removed the side panel of my case (for heat) and it seems to be a little bit more stable, but I did this yesterday and haven't had much actual evidence of this.
Neopowers sure are warm and after I hang, sometimes I'll put my hand to the CPU HSF. Occasionally, it's really hot. :(

Thanks in advance!

follow flick sugestion, and let's know the result. I had updated before doing any test. so far so good.

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Got the same problem here with X2 3800+ Neo2 but after 30 minutes???? If you figure out what it is let me know and vice versa

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For Phobix and anybody having X2 problems of any sort with any mobo, espeacially with gaming, check this forum and this Microsoft article out. Great article and solutions to problems with gaming and X2 processors. Downloaded amd X2 drivers and Microsoft hotfix , along with registry change and all problems are gone. No more using affinity to fix the stuttering problems I was having in gaming. :D
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hey SE, quick question, i noticed since you auto set a few normal settings in the 1.c bios.... you had agp speed at 66. am i to assume i should leave that to make sure the lock is enabled?

other random question: when i get FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4, what does that usually indicate?

There is no Auto setting for AGP frequency. So its 66 default in all newer bios files I think. The locks Should stay in place though if you raise it. Im pretty sure they do. Nforce 3 clockgen shows PCI bus at 33.34 for me with my AGP frequency at 80mhz.

thanks for the reply SE. i may move over to the tccd version of the 1.c soon... after my burn it gets done

The prime error = prime stability test already has all the correct results that the cpu should produce. When you run prime you calculate all these computations and then they are compared to the correct results. If the results you get are different from the listed results then the cpu/system is unstable and so you get the error.

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Got a question... does this board not like 24->20 pin power adapters?

My comp hangs after a while, at random, when OCing. It's perfectly stable at stock, but once I get even the slightest bit out of stock, it will randomly hang. Sometimes I can be stable for hours, once I was going on for a whole weekend only to hang sometime on Sunday. :(

Also, I found this on the front page:
TIP: if you experience problems with Antec Neopower and Truepower PSUs and also with PowerStream PSUs, try Bios 1.37 and turn the PSU off after you shut down, seems to help as well

I use a 480w Neopower, but my problem isn't exactly what using the search function turns up. My computer (usually) boots up fine, sometimes it won't and I just try a couple times and it does.

I have 6 drives and a 6800OC, but I think an Antec 480w Neopower should be able to handle that. Also, I'm using a modded 1.C bios. I might try using 1.37 if I'm out of other ideas.

I removed the side panel of my case (for heat) and it seems to be a little bit more stable, but I did this yesterday and haven't had much actual evidence of this.
Neopowers sure are warm and after I hang, sometimes I'll put my hand to the CPU HSF. Occasionally, it's really hot. :(

Thanks in advance!

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I have no problems whatsoever with the 20=>24 pin converter, and I use the OCZ Powerstream 520 PSU :)

for dual core systems Good news...
http://www.thehotfix.net/sp3.html

"New! - 896256 - Computers that are running Windows XP Service Pack 2 and that are equipped with multiple processors that support processor power management features may experience decreased performance"

One question:
Is there any BIOS where Timings are not changed (especially Write-to-Read Delay) with dividers like 150 or 166?
Thanks =)