yup the ut p35 is better with a better biosQuote:
Originally Posted by jcool
if i had bought the ut p35 before i would never even have bothered with x38
yup the ut p35 is better with a better biosQuote:
Originally Posted by jcool
if i had bought the ut p35 before i would never even have bothered with x38
Thanks for replies... But i'll test it for myself, when it's colder outside.
Let me know what you can reach. I'll flash to bios 0603 maybe and try again, temperature being not an issue ;)
Well finally got some time to play a little bit on the system. Trying to tweak it slightly and first off is trying to figure out proper voltages for 4.05Ghz and to make sure its fully stable. So working on 450Mhz FSB since I don't think my ram will do 500Mhz without really dropping the voltage into her but might be wrong, since im playing with voltages currently so my guess on it might be off by quiet a bit.
So with this comes the questions I have. What is a reasonable northbridge tempature on stock cooling? Right now its looking to be in 43C idle and upwards of 48C (currnetly 45C) loaded. I do have a fan on it, and the heatsink does get warm so I know its getting decent contact but as well its nearly 29C in the room at this time. As well is the system tempature the PWM's, if not where is this even located? Thats sitting around 50-51C or so under load.
So with that is tempatures ok to run at for 24/7 on the mobo currently? I'm thinking about getting an aftermarket sink for it (not sure which) but first going to probably modifiy my case to insert 2x 120mm fans into the side of it to blow over the video card/NB chipset area's. After I get a little better cooling on my video cards, and move onwards to the case cooling as well im going to start pushing her a little more.
you gonna need perfect gtl settings for max fsbQuote:
Originally Posted by Neo4ever
if your cpu can do 500fsb you should be able to do it
but 1 wrong gtl setting n :p:
bios 603 most stable i seen so far;)
Ya system = PWM temp. 50C PWM is fine, don't bother changing heatsinks, as the stock heatsink is doing a great job. Better PWM cooling is only needed for highly overclocked Quads ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
You can improve NB temp by either lapping the stock heatsink or using a Thermalright HR-05 IFX + 80mm fan, but 45C is still ok. Of course less is always better, especially as the board clocks better if you keep NB temp down. How much MCH you using?
Excellent, surprised my PWM's where that cool was expecting mid 60's for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
For the MCH when I was getting those temps it was 1.463V, but even playing around last night it could reach 48C if I didn't open the front of my case up. Was using that to get 450Mhz but after some head scratching last night, and a quest to conserve a little more power when the PC is not in full use I wanted to get my EIST/Speedstep up and running as well, first board in a while that I could do it again.
So while doing that, realized my voltages/clocks where not stable at all. Thought they where but I was mistaken. So thought it was heat related, since it was rather warm and humid last night while I waited for the AC to push the air upstairs. I downed my clocks, and played with FSB with lower CPU clocks to make sure I wasn't starving the CPU for voltage. And to my admazement it was that, man screwed up on my inital runs with voltages for the the clocks.
Instead of 1.1V bios now up to 1.125V bios for 3.6Ghz, but my MCH is down to 1.35V instead of the 1.40V, and Ram voltage is down to 2.05V bios instead of 2.1V. It ran last night no error's/crashes after an hour doing a stress on the CPU and then RAM in orthos, which for a prelim test was good enough for trial right now since it was crashing the system between 1 and 20min before. Man been a while since I really did a good overclocking method :) So might be able to drop voltages on this but for a secondary clock if it gets too warm in my room these settings are good enough for me, considering I was gaming, and doing 3D renders at an unstable setting previously.
Thanks for the suggestion on the NB replacement. Would that have space fitting issues considering I got a 120-Ultra Extreme in there as well and a CF setup?
No, the HR-05 would fit fine. It's wider than the stock heatsink but not as thick. Good luck with your OC, I think I'm gonna try 4,1Ghz tonight ;)
if you put a 120mm fan on the stock it will outperform the hr-05 ifx;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Sweet, yeah I'll have to look into that after I get my other cooling fixes done to the case. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
:eek: How would I even consider mounting a 120mm fan to the stock heatsink? Hehe, With such a small area I know I can fit a 120mm on the bottom side of my CPU heatsink but that showed little to no results for me. Guessing your saying blowing down into the NB heatsink right? Or would bending the heatsink to the point where you could squeeze the 120mm fan in there and it would suck the air through the NB.Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
No it won't, because the stock heatsink is everything but plain. Lapped stock HSF = HR-05 IF.Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
in my tests i got -1c with stock+120mm fan campared to ifx+120mmQuote:
Originally Posted by jcool
i'm usin my moded ifx:D now
So you got the 1 out of 100 stock heatsinks that is in fact plain - congratulations ;)
I am using my trusty waterblock, 32C chipset at 1,5V MCH :D
zamz, where can I download 0603 bios?
ya my temp is high lol 1.55v 35c full load:D 510fsbQuote:
Originally Posted by jcool
beta site
http://www.dfi.com.tw/Support/Downlo...FLAG=B&SITE=US
I must have some wierd MCH.... I knew before I could NEVER boot at under 1.4V... for 4.05Ghz. Let alone actually running orthos in Windows with 1.35V. Im really confused and happy at the same time.
Running 450Mhz, decently loose settings 5-5-5-15 on ram, 2.05V bios, MCH 1.35V bios, CPU now 1.175V Bios... and its running orthos, more than I was getting yesterday at higher voltages. I didn't think I did anything different just went to stock settings in the bios and re-entered what was needed to up the voltage, and wahla I have what I have currently. Still need to test more but this is rather intresting. NB temp is 41C, PWM is 27C. So a little cooler than yesterday and helps that the voltage is lower.
Kicker is I swear I tried the voltage settings on the ram yesterday at this and even the MCH at 1.4V and it wouldn't go.
i just flashed to 314, and im having a ball, 4005 mhz fully stable on my q6600 and this new mush is running 1115 beautifully.Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
what are the improvments with 603?
just more stableQuote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Ok, I have no idea what, where or why, but here it is.. suddenly I can prime at >FSB 450. Currently trying 456*9, GTL disabled (again), it passed 1h largeFFT at 456*8 (to rule out the Vcore) and now seems stable at only 1,45V for 4,1Ghz - haven't even tried lower.
Still 1/11 bios, 333 strap, 1:1 mem divider. Only raised clockgen volts to 3,6.. maybe that was it?
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilder/41ghzprime.jpg
What Bios is recommended for causual OC'er? I am stilll using the original Bios that shipped on launch
geez manQuote:
Originally Posted by 2000army
the 111 is ok the 602 beta is better
http://www.dfi.com.tw/Support/Downlo...FLAG=B&SITE=US
i finally broke 10k on everest, it turns out that i had 2 bad sticks (in slots 1/3) that were giving me no boots and bad clocks, im glad that i dont overvolt so RMA time
new scores though pl7 t2 enabled vista x64biz, im going to work on it more tomorrow and hopefully and get some liquid cooling soon for some 3d benching
Hey guys just looking for some advice on whether or not this mobo would be a good fit for me. I am on a DFI Blood Iron P35 board right now and I am getting a suspicion the voltages to the CPU are not very clean and fluctuate way to much (terrible vdroop). The last several times I booted up the vcore was different and I haven't changed the VID.
Now is this the same mobo as the one in this thread? There are so many variations of one another sometimes I get confused. --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813136051
I need a good mobo for my E8400 that can handle a 450fsb OC and fit a Tuniq Tower 120. I am not sure if this mobo will fit that kind of heatsink? Also, Crossfire is important for me and I want to get another 4870 down the line and have 16x/16 crossfire. This is a must! I know this mobo has had bios issues, but i am looking to do a simple OC from 3Ghz to 4FGhz on my wolfdale! I am not going for anything extreme or attempting to push the limits of the cpu or mobo.
if crossfire is important get the board but for an xtra 20$ get the x48 versionQuote:
Originally Posted by ScottFern
zanza that everest score is kinda low bud you should be in 10400-10600 rangeQuote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
sad on the ram let us know how it goes with team
im about to start clock again this time im going for 500+ fsb runs and 1200+ ram speed, and the scores are were they should be with a 455fsb im within 70% of ideal NB bandwidth it dosnt get much better than thatQuote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
so i got it going with the 502mhz fsb, its not getting were i want it, i think that i need more NB voltage or a cooler NB
my bad i did not see fsb speedQuote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
you dont need over 1.62v to go higher
how much juice did you pump into your teams?
1.52vtt i set 106-106-105 gtl got me to 555
this was highest bandwidth i can do with my cpu 1.55v cant go over 4.0 withought unsafe volts now:( cpu got degraded cant wait to get my hands on a e8600
same speed my p35 is better
i had 2.2X on the ram i dont want to overvolt becouse i follow the rules for rmas and i dont like the idea of hunting down new gmh (but i know that i can get cell shock), and the NB i was at 1.63, cpu at 1.58V vtt at 1.61V and all gtls at 68% i cant recall the numbers off hand something like 109/107/111
i also had the phases at eaeee-eaaee trfc 35 in bios 30 set in windows (i was testing the difference) and pl8 mch delay8 most channel timings on normal, and i think that im out sub timing u with the cross communications but i have problems getting the read/write up through anything but ram hrz
im thinking that i need more/liquid cooling or to wait until the winter its 3am and its still 21-22C, im also thinking of getting a 50W tec for the NB if i go liquid for benching
i wish that i had an 8600ES and or that my e6850 could do .5 multies
i got 3 sets of team if u need just ask
so are u offering ram to be slaughtered with 2.6V or something:D ive wanted some 1200 cas4 runs
do u have any ideas on setting a vco clock divider or anything random
hahaha just like zanz to get some kamikaze ram secondhand :P.
I sent zanz his p180 and his e6850 and a whole bunch of other parts for free :rofl: itsall good tho he puts them to better use then anyone else would :up:
only my micron fatties have seen 2.6v:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
i think the max i went on most was 2.24
i did test 2.4 for 5 min 1200 cas 4 :rofl:
i got a set of team pc2-8000 that i only ran memtest on to make sure they were 100% as i received them didnt put heatsreaders on yet you want em they are yours at my cost verry cheap 50$
please no one pm me for them other than zanzabar
on vco i think i got it set to auto
Really no need to ever change it to anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
can u atleast tell me what it dose, and if there is no reason change it why was it addedQuote:
Originally Posted by Praz
@zamz i may want to get that ram but im working on LQ funds right now, but then i also want to get a pot or alot of bear so.....
no problem i became kind of a collector of d9 and having 13 sets of it is gettin ridiculous anyways :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
most of my babies just sit in the box:rofl: i was expectin my sets to last 6 months but they dont die on this board 9 months is just incredible to me
when i had gigabut boards they never survived longer than 5 weeks :rofl:
i rmaed my mushkin 5 times :rofl: runnin @ 2.24 on gigabut
Not to nit-pick but your screen shots show memory bench results on different Everest versions - X38 on v4.20 and P35 on v4.50. Is there anyone that knows Everest well enough to confirm it's a fair comparison? Or even better, will you be able to re-do the test on both based on the same Everest version?Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
margin for error is verry slimQuote:
Originally Posted by vws
in every way the ut p35 is faster than any x38-48
the dfi x38-48 just clocks 4 sticks better n has cossfire
i'm sure 1 day it will outperform it but i think its gonna be a long wait till the bios engineers figure it out
they must be verry busy with the p45:rofl:
HI all, I've had my X38-T2R for about a week now and I've had a very weird experience with it. First off I had trouble even getting the board to boot up at all, turns out the C1 error was at work and the only way to get the board to boot was to reset the bios then kill the main power from the psu. After that though I realized I was having the same problem as Dimek, no boot over 1.24v with this new E8400, which wasn't really a big deal since it will hit 4ghz @ 1.96v. At certain times I could get the board to boot with hihger volts by using the CPU special add thing but any tweaking of the main voltage got me an instant shutdown after rebooting. On top of that the board would make this wierd buzzing sound, like an alarmclock, sometimes upon rebooting but it did not fail to boot after making this sound.
I'm now using the original 11/28 bios and it's the most stable and reliable bios I've tried so far. No C1 errors, no voltage issues, no wierd noises, no trouble clocking my ram above 1100mhz, all in all I've not had one issue since I switched to this bios. I've tried all of the official bios and the top four betas. I don't know what they changed after this one but I tink they should start over using the first as a template.
100% agreed :welcome: 11/28 rocks :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mysterfix
EDIT:
Did anyone try latest beta bios dated 2008/07/25 ??
yes i cant get stable with itQuote:
Originally Posted by Dimek
you should try the 603 i like it but i prefer the 602 from the ut
You mean the beta's from here?Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
Looks like the LT X38 & X48 boards are sharing the same (beta) BIOS now. They are obviously short-handed.
yesQuote:
Originally Posted by vws
its all the same to me x38-48 bioses
shorthanded or busy with p45
I tried it but it's no better than the rest for me. :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimek
you should try either 602 603 or 111Quote:
Originally Posted by Mysterfix
personnally i dont like the initial bios
You would have to like initial bios as it is the only one to work with Vcore >1,25Vcore for my E8400Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
Actually 11/28 works perfect stable for me (sig), so no reason to complain...
use xtra add%Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimek
you be complainin if you had a ut p35 that outperformed the x38-x48;)
well the 965 was better than the 975Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
i went x38 to get a raid card and 4x sound card but look i cant afford a raid card and there are no good 4x sound cards, i am getting liquid this week though
yup the 965 was better than the 975Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
gl on the water stuff
Anyone try an e8600 on this board yet?
I know I asked the same question in the p35 thread, but I have both boards and like to know before I plop down the bux on a 8600.
i might get one next weekQuote:
Originally Posted by OnDborder
if the board dont like the cpu i be dumpin the board
but gonna test her out on my ut p35 first then on the x38
I plan on getting one, maybe, along with a 4870x2 when it comes available. "Interest free for 6 months" is a wonderful thing..
i just ordered my LQ i have a swiftec 2fan rad, and im getting a 355pump with a g3/8th petras style top, dtek v2, mcw30 and some primo chil pro tubing and all bits power fittings
and im going to tj-07 out my p180, im hoping for 502x9 for benching even if i have to make it dice assisted with non freezing liquid
Got a problem today when I switched out my QX9650 for a QX9770. Forgot to reset the BIOS to default before I did the swap.
At first it came up with a post screen running 333x11 and counting memory but as soon as I pressed DEL to enter the BIOS it would lock up.
That happened twice but after that instead of posting I only get a message saying BIOS ROM Checksum Error.
Have I hosed my BIOS or could it be as simple as putting the 9650 back in again and tune down the settings before trying the 9770?
I tried a QX9770 yesterday in my board and it hated it.. I suddenly got errors in memtest even tho the mem is fine, I didn't manage to stabilize stock clocks even for 1 second. 400*8 failed prime blend the instant it was started on cores 0 and 1. Tried different bios versions, altered VTT, tried different straps/dividers but no go. I could run prime smallFFT at up to 4,5Ghz but no FSB400.
Note that I am running 456*9 with my Q6600 all day every day.. and I'm back to thst right now.
If I were you I'd get rid of the 9770 asap and use the 9650 if that works.
better make sure its compatible firstQuote:
Originally Posted by OnDborder
you know the 3870x2 wasnt
the 400mhz chips arnt officaly supported unless u have the x48 bios, so use the jumpers to force 333fsb then up the clock
I don't care if they are supported or not, my Q6600 runs FSB 460 every day and you're telling me the board can't handle 400 on a QX9770?
:banana::banana::banana::banana:ing incompatibility issues...
its not DFI, intel made the specs for no 400fsb on x38, just use the jumpers then oc u will be fine
or just flash it with x48 bios
Well whatever. I just put it on a 790i and it fails there too. Seems that one's really defective. Oh well, RMA...
I can't imagine a QX9770 wouldn't run on the DFI just because FSB400 isn't officially supported... and I don't see how changing the jumpers would alter anything except sparing you the double-boot after a power-off.
If the issue was the CPU default being 400 FSB, manually setting the jumpers would make the board think the CPU was 333 default. Problem solved.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Well obviously the issue is that the CPU is defective. RMA and problem solved ;)
We'll soon find out. Got one coming in a couple of days.Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
I'll be trying it out on this board and the dfi p35 board. Coupled with a e8600.
Be sure to let us know. I want a 4870X2 too ;)
guys ive just popped my q9450 into my x38 ... thank goodness it didnt get fried instantly when it booted up with the overvoltage settings from my old q6600 (1.54vcore, 1.4vtt)
now i am trying to get it to run at 3.53ghz which is the max overclock i achieved with the q6600... im thinking of using the same settings as before, but with the vcore and vtt reduced... as of this typing its still sitting in bios
this is my voltage setting
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5...2008041rs7.jpg
can someone tell me what does the cpu n/2 ratio function in this screen do? i can open the menu that chooses enable/disable but when i press enter on 'enabled', it is still 'disabled' and its impossible to enable it
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6...2008042tq9.jpg
::edit:: right now its so unstable it wont even install vista, im trying to find the vcore and vtt settings, and blindly using 85 - 105 for the core gtl settings to see what would actually work
::edit:: got windows to start installing after looking at http://edgeofstability.com/articles/...fault_gtl.html , 1.32 vtt, 92/90/109 gtl
if only i had a live cd now...preferably filled with programs like prime, occt, memtest and stuff like that
setting n/2 ratio to enabled allows the .5 multiplier
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4...2008048rx5.jpg
40 minutes prime stable
i noticed a few things... on idle, my temps are from core0 to core3: 42 38 42 38... you'll notice that theres one less wire behind the monitor, i was trying to find out why im getting 6 degrees difference between the cores and i tried messing with the tensions of the springs on my waterblock, then one of the springs jumped out and i had to push my desk around to find it again etc etc etc
however, on prime95 load, its like 51 47 51 51 or 51 50 49 51 ... the 2nd or 3rd core seems to be running some kind of windows vista 'idle' task which keeps them from being fully loaded ... also the 2nd core seems to be the coolest running of the cores... when it happens to be the 2nd core which is running the 'idle' task (i.e. 3rd core fully loaded), it crashed alot more often, but when it is the 3rd core with the idle task (i.e. 2nd core fully loaded), that was when i got 40 minutes out of prime... but it is also the 2nd core which crashes the most often
i tried adjusting the gtl's ... if for example, i change the core1/core2 gtl from 99 to 98 or 100, the second core would error out within 3 or 4 minutes, but im not totally sure yet because i only did that once... but at least im actually getting prime errors, not hard system locks anymore, turns out that i had to up the vtt, now im testing at 1.36v, in the bios this makes it read 1.38v, when i try the low 1.3's the system would hang totally after 3 or 4 minutes... and im not sure if this is happening or not but if i increase the vcore, while keeping the vtt the same, my top temperature seemed to drop from 56 degrees to 53 degrees, its probably that i need to spend more time looking at the temperature readouts...
but anyway, since i know that my board can do 442mhz fsb, im trying to keep it at that speed, and make my q9450 hit the 3.53ghz that my old q6600 did during the winter... my method is to start at a certain voltage, then go up on the gtl one by one to look for the setting which would keep both pairs of the 1st and 4th core , and the 2nd and 3rd core stable for the longest... if the 1st or the 4th worker thread in prime95 crashes, i mess with the cpu0/cpu3 gtl setting, if the 2nd or the 3rd worker thread in prime95 crashes, i mess with the cpu1/cpu2 gtl setting... if it still crashes after a few minutes, i up the vtt by a notch or two and start trying higher gtl numbers
::edit:: tried 1.36v vtt and all core gtl settings from 95 to 101 give errors within minutes... maybe im pushing it too high or something, should i try to up the vcore instead
i just ordered a 4870 and a e8600:) just hope the board likes em :rofl:
i will test on ut p35 then on the x38 the bad one goes in da box
damn it, no matter what settings i try i cant get it stable for more than a few minutes, can you guys offer a few pointers as to what i can do with the voltages?
you need gtl setting of 61-63% 1 wrong gtl n u not gonna be stableQuote:
Originally Posted by carmatic
you sure its not the limit of cpu
n chek your ram
try strong host slew it helps with 45nm
yes strong will help with wrong gtl settingsQuote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
thank you, i will try that when i am in the mood to turn on my computer again
im free later on, will chime back on how well it works
does anyone have the same problems with the 4870x2 that they did with the 3870x2?
Here are my settings for 440x8 266/667 tRD6, 24/7 stable:Quote:
Originally Posted by carmatic
Raising CPU PLL may lead to a very quick CPU degradation. Also keep your VTT < 1.35V for 24/7.Code:CPU Feature
- Thermal Management Control: Enabled
- PPM(EIST) Mode: Enabled
- Limit CPUID MaxVal: Disabled
- CIE Function: Auto
- Excecute Disable Bit: Enabled
- Virtualization Technology: Enabled
- Core Multi-Processing: Enabled
Exit Setup Shutdown: Mode 2
Shutdown after AC Loss: Disabled
CLOCK VCO divider: Auto
CPU Clock Ratio Unlock: Enabled
CPU Clock Ratio: 8
- Target CPU Clock:
CPU Clock: 440
Boot Up Clock:
DRAM Speed: 266/667
- Target DRAM Speed:
PCIE Clock: 100mhz
PCIE Slot Config: 1X 1X
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum: Disabled
Voltage Settings
CPU VID Control: Auto (1.2325)
CPU VID Special Add Limit: Enabled
CPU VID Special Add: Auto
DRAM Voltage Control: 2.0V
SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage: 1.510V
NB Core Voltage: 1.504V
CPU VTT Voltage: 1.210V
Vcore Droop Control: Enabled
Clockgen Voltage Control: 3.45V
GTL+ Buffers Strength: Strong
Host Slew Rate: Weak
MCH RON Offset Value: 00
MCH RTT Offset Value: 00
MCH Slew Rate Offset Value: 00
MCH VREF 1 Value: 00
MCH VREF 2 Value: 00
MCH VREF 3 Value: 80
GTL REF Voltage Control: Enabled
x CPU GTL1/3 REF Volt: 85
x CPU GTL 0/2 REF Volt: 83
x North Bridge GTL REF Volt: 96
DRAM Timing
- Enhance Data transmitting: Fast
- Enhance Addressing: Fast
- T2 Dispatch: Enabled
Clock Setting Fine Delay
DRAM CLK Driving Strength: Level 6
DRAM Data Driving Strength: Level 8
Ch1 DLL Default Skew Model: Mode 0
Ch2 DLL Default Skew Model: Mode 0
Fine Delay Step Degree: 5ps
Ch1 Clock Crossing Setting: Auto
- DIMM 1 Clock fine delay: Current
- DIMM 2 Clock fine delay: Current
- Ch 1 Command fine delay: Current
- Ch 1 Control fine delay: Current
Ch2 Clock Crossing Setting: Auto
- DIMM 3 Clock fine delay: Current
- DIMM 4 Clock fine delay: Current
- Ch 2 Command fine delay: Current
- Ch 2 Control fine delay: Current
Ch1Ch2 CommonClock Setting: Auto
Ch1 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto
Ch1 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto
Ch1 Command to CS Delay: Auto
Ch2 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto
Ch2 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto
Ch2 Command to CS Delay: Auto
CAS Latency Time (tCL):5
RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD):5
RAS# Precharge (tRP):5
Precharge Delay (tRAS):15
All Precharge to Act: 6
REF to ACT Delay (tRFC): 54
Performance LVL (Read Delay) (tRD): 6
Read delay phase adjust: Enter
Ch1 Read delay phase (4~0)
- Channel 1 Phase 0 Pull-In: Auto
- Channel 1 Phase 1 Pull-In: Auto
- Channel 1 Phase 2 Pull-In: Auto
- Channel 1 Phase 3 Pull-In: Auto
- Channel 1 Phase 4 Pull-In: Auto
Ch2 Read delay phase (4~0)
- Channel 2 Phase 0 Pull-In: Auto
- Channel 2 Phase 1 Pull-In: Auto
- Channel 2 Phase 2 Pull-In: Auto
- Channel 2 Phase 3 Pull-In: Auto
- Channel 2 Phase 4 Pull-In: Auto
MCH ODT Latency: Auto
Write to PRE Delay (tWR): 14
Rank Write to Read (tWTR): 11
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD): 3
Read to Write Delay (tRDWR): 8
Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR): 6
Ranks Read to Read (tRDRD): 6
Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD): 5
Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP): 3
ALL PRE to Refresh: 6
agggghhhh are you kidding me!Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5...2008049go4.jpg
its been stable priming for 2 hours at these settings, the biggest change is the host slew rate being changed to 'strong' and the gtls being reduced, i shut it down manually so i could take a picture of the bios, leaving it to prime overnight to make sure its really stable
thanks for sharing these settings, what ram do you have? my pair of 4gb ocz reaperx pc8000 doesnt even boot at the next higher divider which makes it go at 1110mhz... i bought mine at the beginning of the year, ive read that the new versions have different ICs on them and from what i can tell they go much faster than the sticks i haveQuote:
Originally Posted by merlin76
i will lower the sb voltage and see if it will still keep priming stable... are 45nm's more susceptible to damage from sb core voltage than 65nm's?
now that i know the gtl and vtt combination for my q9450, i think i can try to start lowering the vtt and bring the gtl settings down one by one... before this it was majorly unstable and any gtl settings ive tried only made it crash quicker or slower... but for now i consider my job to be done, that is to get my computer running at the speed it used to run during the winter, like the time before i had to take the q6600 out because its overheating, wont even encode mp3's without crashing, and now i am running prime at 55 degrees load instead of 75 degrees load
and one last question, maybe im just abit out of touch but i thought c1e and eist made overclocking impossible?
btw thats 714 bios i thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by carmatic
just clock your sticks slower
do you mean you have the 714 bios? im not sure which bios version i haveQuote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
'clock my sticks lower' , that means use a lower divider? or lower my fsb?
also, i think i have found a good way of dealing with the bowing of the board from not using a backplate when you have the cpu heatsink or waterblock on too tight... i had some silicon fan push-through mount things i got from one of the 'silent fans' ive bought and i stuffed them right under the edge of the motherboard where it was bowing the most, straight up from where the cpu socket is, and the pressure from these things is enough to push the board straight... i also stuffed a couple under where the pwm area is so that the heatsink over there will have more pressure with the pwm chips, because the bowing from the pressure of the cpu mounting can bend the pwm chips away from the heatsink
::edit:: dang, the first core failed prime after 1 hour with my southbridge voltage at 1.54v...now trying with a lower vtt and vcore setting, maybe my gtls were abit too low to be stable at the voltage i was using before this, and maybe a lower vtt would match up with them nicely... setting the host slew rate to 'strong' really did make a difference, wouldnt have known that if it werent for you guys
i will try the 714 after i get my e8600Quote:
Originally Posted by carmatic
the bios setting wizard gave you are from bios 714
you should try 603 its verry stable
BIOS versions 0714 and 0725 for me are alpha versions and I don't really understand how DFI could make 0725 a final one. Take a look over here: http://www.csd.dficlub.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7502
Perhaps they needed a final BIOS quickly due to the problems with 4870 X2 cards.
@ carmatic
BIOS 0603 works best for me and the settings I posted work with BIOS 0603, 0714 and 0725.
If your RAM isn't capable of doing DDR2-1100 then switch to 333/800 divider and set tRD to 7 or 8. You cannot take settings 1:1 but it should give you a hint what is needed.
same here merlin 603 is best for me2Quote:
Originally Posted by merlin76
n yes 333/800 divider is best :up:
Guys you think the board will like 4x1GB of Cellshock 1000C4? Finest D9GKX, couldn't resist to order at the current price :D
I'd like to run 1100 C4 with reaonable volts, yummie :)
mine not too crazy for d9gkx 4x1 but loves d9gmh 4x1 i think it might like cellshock betterQuote:
Originally Posted by jcool
you should be able to do 1120mhz cas 4 with 2.24v-2.3v
Well I already got 1 pair of Cellshock D9GMH and ordered a 2nd pair too, so just in case it doesn't like GKX I now got 2 pairs of 800C4 with GMH :D
Had to buy some cause the Crucial Value with D9GMH I used to run along with the Cellshocks is faulty now, after almost 2 yers. Oh well :(
@ jcool
You'll need to flash BIOS 0714 or 0725 and set proper DS/DDS and DLL mode to make them clock well on this board:
DS/DDS 6/8
DLL Mode 5/5
Take a look over here: http://csd.dficlub.org/forum/showpos...9&postcount=17
Praz has had a bit of a breakthrough recently with his Cellshoch GKX & the x48 board see from post 1959 on in the x48 thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1959
CN :)
hmm i think i'll try 0603 soonQuote:
Originally Posted by merlin76
my vtt doesnt want to come down :( it stays at 1.35v , not very sexy at all
how can i connect the Optical S/PDIF Connector to my HT system ( Samsung HT-QX 100 ) ? Please ! THANKS
this is the bernstein audio module correct? http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/revie....html#post7401 it says here that there is no optical out support, you will need to get one of those coaxial --> optical adaptorsQuote:
Originally Posted by Slump
::edit:: like one of these http://www.tvcables.co.uk/cgi-bin/tv...ml?id=9YWPyq7M
The module does have optical in/out but would necessitate wiring it yourself. As already mentioned it would be easier to use an optical to coaxial converter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slump
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/mainb...-t2r/audio.png
i think that im getting better at overclocking my computer... like, maybe there is a good analogy for the pre-gtl days was that you could choose any voltage you want , and the board will 'choose the best gtl setting for you', even tho maybe theres no such thing as gtl back in the amd64 and pentium4 days...
now you start by choosing your voltage just like you chose your fsb and multiplier, then keep trying different gtl settings until you go through a sweet spot (this takes days of priming), then change the voltage one notch and repeat the gtl sweep again, the new sweet spot should be within +/-5 gtl points of the sweet spot of the previous voltage... hopefully when you begin its at least stable enough to boot into windows and let you run prime, then as you start varying the gtl settings you should go from instant lockups when you click on 'ok', to lockups which happen after a few seconds, then a few minutes, then you should start getting prime errors instead of system locks and they should take longer and longer to show up, after the sweet spot has passed the prime errors would start showing up more frequently again so you can get a 'feel' for which gtl settings are good
the gtl doesnt just depend on the vtt voltage, it also depends on vcore and cpu pll voltage as well, this is what ive found over the last 3 days of 'gambling' on my computer... as most of you know, lowering vtt also means lowering gtl, but i also have a feeling that lowering vcore also means lowering gtl but to a lower extent, but all i know so far is that changing the cpu pll voltage means the gtl settings i was using isnt valid anymore
anyone have any comments on this?
so far, this is how ive been working... system lock within seconds of beginning prime = major change in gtl , 5 points up or down ... system lock within minutes of beginning prime = 2 points up or down ... when the system no longer locks and runs stable enough for prime to report problems, single core failure within seconds= further change by 2 gtl points, single core failure after a few minutes = further change by 1 gtl point ... both gtl's go up and down together, on my computer it happens that they both like to be on the same value, but i say that only start using 2 different gtl settings when you definitely notice a pattern of 1st/4th or 2nd/3rd core prime failures, if there is no pattern then change the northbridge gtl and see if that helps, also if you have the 1st and 3rd or 2nd and 4th cores failing at the same time within minutes of starting prime its also likely a northbridge gtl thing, if it does not help change it back and try a different vtt or vcore
because vcore can be changed in finer increments than vtt, it will be necessary to start adjusting (probably increasing) the vcore to get more stability after adjusting the gtl's, when you have swept through the vcore sweet spot and it still wont prime stable then its time to start over again with a higher vtt setting
heres a little chronicle of my journey into priming...
cpu vid at 1.25625v, cpu vid special add at 103.30%, vtt at 1.345 .... core gtl settings at 94 , prime stable for half an hour ... gtl settings at 95, prime stable for just over 10 minutes, and the same happens 93, core temps maxing out at 57 degrees, mostly at 55 degrees, cpu temperature diode at 39 degrees
cpu vid at 1.25625v, cpu vid special add at 103.56%, vtt at 1.345... core gtl settings also at 94, prime stable for 40 minutes, core temperatures didnt change, cpu temperature diode at 40 degrees
cpu vid at 1.25625v, cpu vid special add at 103.56%, vtt at 1.340... core gtl settings to be stable are at 89, prime stable for an hour... at 90 it crashes within 5 minutes, at 88 its stable for 15 minutes or so... temperatures maxing out at 56 degrees, mostly at 53 degrees, cpu temperature at 37 degrees... changing northbridge gtl from 112 to 113 results in prime failure within 10 minutes, and at 111 it crashes within 4 minutes
cpu vid at 1.25625v, cpu vid special add at 103.56%, vtt at 1.335... core gtl settings at 84 , still priming now fingers crossed, at 85 it failed at 40 minutes... temperatures maxing out at 53 degrees, mostly at 50 degrees... cpu temperature diode at 35 degrees
running much cooler at 1.335 vtt, if only i had a temperature logger because im not sure if im remembering these temperatures correctly...
got my e8600 had to use special add% or no boot
need 1.38v prime stable 63%gtl
everest score seams a bit low i think i gotta take out my ut p35
cpu vid at 1.25625v, cpu vid special add at 103.56%, vtt at 1.335, 84/84/112 gtl settings prime stable for 1 hour 8 minutes... they always seem to last only an hour!
now trying with cpu vid at 1.25625v, cpu vid special add at 103.73% or whatever the next one up is... is it just me or does the load temps go down the closer your vcore is to your vtt? like increasing vcore actually makes the temps go down?
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1930/56613036mv8.jpg
is taht 1.38 vcore or 1.38 vtt? that sure feels kind of high for a 45nm dual core...Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
could it be that there is an issue between flashing your x38 with the x48 bios which makes the 8600 not boot without adding voltage??
::edit:: damn it, prime failed at 1 hour 12 minutes... its happening alot at around this length of time, like just over one hour... now im trying with the vid special add at the next notch up, see if it still fails at that time
Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
GRRRR... I bought two 4870X2s cant get either to post at all. Put my GTX280 back in and it works fine. Someone at Rage3D was having the same problem on a DFI X38board. Think flashing my Bios to X48 would fix this or no?
Quote:
Originally Posted by kasu code
It is the weekend in Taiwan but I know that DFI is working on the issue today. RGone...
damnit, 1 hour 20 minutes!! why does it always happen around this time
I think your chip is just starving for voltage. Try lowering your overclock by a few mhz (20-50) and see how much further you get with prime or raise your voltage by .01-.02v and see how far that gets you. Or keep messing with the GTL settings and hope to get lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by carmatic
Good to hear. Ill give it a week before I get a new board.Quote:
Originally Posted by RGone
@carmatic
bro, why is your NB GTL so high? Try 84 83 84 GTLs with your current VTT at 1.335v and lower that vNB to around ~1.4v. vPLL seems to high, and Host Slew rate should be set to weak unless you disable the GTL Ref. Droop Control enabled?