DFI LP UT X58-T3EH8 - First bench, bios screens etc

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03-18-2009, 04:46 AM
drnip

Anybody tried or had issues with Kingston HyperX DDr3 2000 RAM and this mobo?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820104082
03-18-2009, 06:14 AM
Venom-Crusher

My result @ 19*219MHz with plain water cooling:)

Prime Blend 1Hr Stable

http://www.vmodtech.com/files/prime-219_204.png
03-18-2009, 07:11 AM
eva2000

Nice Venom. My Feser 480 rad arrived the other day, so will start to build up water cooling loop so can start testing my i7 920s on H20 instead of air sometime this weekend :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstkl1

Well i had a DMM soldered to the mobo read out points for 2 weeks. Was satisfied with the stability of the voltages.
They are perfect

What i was trying to point out was symptoms of a bios corruption
The reason being its kindda hard to detect it. Stock settings worked perfectly.

Vtt borders
Just like the r2e , the dfi also shows that crossing over a certain voltage on vtt, U might sometimes get weird initial results

Example
Stressing 1.43 set result in bsod
Up the voltage to 1.45v the computer does a shutdown reboot with no display. Shuting down manually and rebooting it.
problem solved.
But in occasions doing the exact two things above results in bios corruption.
so setting the 1.45v from default settings u dont get the issues above

Your Case
DId u have any problem with ram stress test and stock?? Did the bios detect full 6gb at stock voltages.
If yes than high chance is not the board, ram. Its either two things.
1.Ure voltages were incorrect ( take note not saying the voltages were insufficient)
2.IMC issues.

Elimination of voltages
For i7 you need to eliminate voltages on every scenario. Vcore, Vdimm ,Vtt, IOh.
They have also tendency for certain ratios. U have to identify them.

Examples of Faulty test
Also for my case using DMM i found that 1.65v is undervolted to 1.62v
Memtest HCI and memtest86+ , testing both of them for hours i had no issue running my rams at bclk 201 1004mhz CL7 1N.
However this failed to run prime95 blend 25.9 64bit. I was preplexed.
Issue was resolved by increasing the vdimm voltage set at 1.665v, DMM read was 1.639v and setting bclk 200 and rams at 2N.
After doing this i had very consistent results on any test i threw at it.

Not to Do
Basically so far any plug and play or just increasing voltages to solve test failures wont cut it for X58 when it comes to high uncore and faster dram speeds. Stressing at wrong voltage ratios itself can result in weird behaviours like what i had, missing rams etc. This is why whenever i see issues like this , i usually reset to default and reflash the bios. I find memtesthci is the best test for vtt and ioh ratio.
prime95 blend 64bit 25.9 for dram timings and voltages. linx for vcore.

yup fine balance for all voltages and each memory kit and cpu combination will have a difference balance even for same model/speed memory kit. But i've never corrupted my bios as yet :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by drnip

Anybody tried or had issues with Kingston HyperX DDr3 2000 RAM and this mobo?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820104082

9-9-9-X Kits most likely Samsung HCF0, so shouldn't have problems. If you have the 6GB Kingston HyperX T1 DDR3-2000Mhz 8-8-8-24 kit then they're the new Elpida 50mm Hyper ICs same used in Corsair Dominator GT 7-8-7-20, OCZ Blade PC3-16000 7-8-7-x and G.Skill's Perfect Storm DDR3-2000 7-8-7-x.

If you have these Elpida, SOME kits might need to do some ADDR/CMD Bus VREF tweaking.

ADDR/CMD Bus VREF set at 105 @DDR3-2209Mhz 7-8-7-20 2T at 1.92v vdimm bios set (1.925v real DMM).

@DDR3-2209Mhz 7-8-7-20 2T at 1.92v vdimm bios set (1.925v real DMM)

http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...1m18s043ms.png

Validation is at DDR3-2209Mhz just cpuz clock momentarily jumped to DDR3-2212Mhz :)

http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...cpuz_valid.png

@DDR3-2286Mhz 7-8-7-20 1T at 1.875v vdimm bios set (~1.880v real DMM)

Still not close to my best I did when i first got my GT set with DFI UT X58-T3EH8 with 1/23 beta bios.

Validation
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/500527.png

http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...cpuz_valid.png
03-18-2009, 10:10 AM
drnip

Thanks alot eva2000. Just have to find them in stock somewhere.

EDIT: Kingston's site shows them to be out of stock until 6/10/2009!!!!
03-18-2009, 12:36 PM
cstkl1

well eva not suprised with the vref
with the r2e when i was getting the 2000 CL8 stable on that board i had to set -12.5mv. reminds me of rampage extreme kekke

but the rtl really helps a lot on 1n settings vs 2n.
thats how i got a lot of the 1n stable at 2n voltages.

usually channel a vs channel b is +1/+2 and channel c is +2/+3 of channel B
03-18-2009, 12:42 PM
cstkl1

btw left it at auto because of this

is there something wrong with the vref
if on stress if bsod .. prime 95
say set all 3 to 95.
if bsod
go back to bios channel b will be 94 and the rest at 95
03-18-2009, 03:11 PM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstkl1

well eva not suprised with the vref
with the r2e when i was getting the 2000 CL8 stable on that board i had to set -12.5mv. reminds me of rampage extreme kekke

but the rtl really helps a lot on 1n settings vs 2n.
thats how i got a lot of the 1n stable at 2n voltages.

usually channel a vs channel b is +1/+2 and channel c is +2/+3 of channel B

Never used R2E board so not familiar with settings in bios so not sure what +1/+2 vs +2/+3 denote ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstkl1

btw left it at auto because of this

is there something wrong with the vref
if on stress if bsod .. prime 95
say set all 3 to 95.
if bsod
go back to bios channel b will be 94 and the rest at 95

I asked DFI about channel b resetting to 94 or 1 below others, and they said it's because it's last bit of 32bit range which they don't use and shouldn't matter as it's only 0.4% difference. Now no idea what that means :o

As to BSOD probably still need for cpu vtt/vdimm and IOH/ICH voltages to be balanced. Or we need to fine tune ADDR/CMD Bus VREF channels individually ?

Pulled this off with ADDR/CMD Bus VREF = 100/100/100 set in bios.

http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...9m04s584ms.png
03-18-2009, 03:43 PM
cstkl1

the for the RTL
in r2e u can set for channel A, B, and C.
ure setting shows channel A in cpu tweak
+indicated addition of channel A since channel A is the base rtl
in r2e norm for Channel B to be +1/+2 of Channel A,
Channel C to be +2/+3 of Channel B

higher mem multipliers and timings lower channel A, example 1600 CL8 is around channel A 60+, CL7 is 50+
2000mhz CL8 50ish but somewhere near 60
2000mhz Cl7 is 50+

this was what i found out with r2e.
but whatever i did still couldnt run the sticks at CL7 2000mhz on that board only CL8

something like that. the r2e ..usually instability is the same like dfi except when bsod the RTL changes.
03-18-2009, 03:47 PM
eva2000

I see... maybe your cpu's IMC coming into play for CAS7 vs CAS8 as well ???
03-18-2009, 03:56 PM
cstkl1

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

I see... maybe your cpu's IMC coming into play for CAS7 vs CAS8 as well ???

could be
but dfi np in running the cas 7 gt;s
03-19-2009, 05:52 AM
rusty

what's max temp recommended for PWM and Chipset ?
03-19-2009, 09:07 AM
cstkl1

found a flaw eva on this mobo

will call dfi tommorow

flaw

set two gc in sli
and one x1 pciex sound card..

second card running in 8x.

wish dfi was like asus .. to have a option to force 16,16,1

it only runs 16,16,1 if no card is inserted in pcie 3.
any insert will result in 8x on pcie 2
03-19-2009, 09:35 AM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstkl1

found a flaw eva on this mobo

will call dfi tommorow

flaw

set two gc in sli
and one x1 pciex sound card..

second card running in 8x.

wish dfi was like asus .. to have a option to force 16,16,1

it only runs 16,16,1 if no card is inserted in pcie 3.
any insert will result in 8x on pcie 2

UT X58 PCI-E slot speed:

1 card in one or both green slots - Green slots operate at x16 speed and yellow slot is turned off.

Card in yellow slot - Top green slot operates at x16 speed while bottom green slot and yellow slot operate at x8 speed.

The above is how the board is designed and no other configuration is possible.
03-19-2009, 09:59 AM
cstkl1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praz

UT X58 PCI-E slot speed:

1 card in one or both green slots - Green slots operate at x16 speed and yellow slot is turned off.

Card in yellow slot - Top green slot operates at x16 speed while bottom green slot and yellow slot operate at x8 speed.

The above is how the board is designed and no other configuration is possible.

thats hmm sux right.
if r2e can run 16x 16x 1x this mobo cant??

so its either 16x 16x nothing or 16x 8x 8x??
03-19-2009, 01:28 PM
Grinch

so what bios is everybody using now?
03-19-2009, 03:19 PM
eva2000
Quote:

Originally Posted by cstkl1

could be
but dfi np in running the cas 7 gt;s

sounds like bios related then

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusty

what's max temp recommended for PWM and Chipset ?

PWM 60-95C ? Chipset 35-55C ? Just guessing... for me load temps for PWM between 45-65C and Chipset between 35-50C all stock heatsinks just with fans over them and Flame Freezer installed with ceramique paste.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstkl1

thats hmm sux right.
if r2e can run 16x 16x 1x this mobo cant??

so its either 16x 16x nothing or 16x 8x 8x??

about right http://i4memory.com/102537-post3.html

PCI-E Assignments

Received some clarification on the PCI-E slot assignments for multi-GPU configurations.
- PCI-E #1 and #4 are x16 when nothing is installed in PCI-E #3.
- When PCI-E #3 is occupied, then PCI-E #1, #3, #4 become x16/x8/x8. This applies to both CrossfireX and SLI.
http://nx.i4memory.com/reviewimages/...assignment.png

Example, with 2x HD4870x2 double slot video cards in PCI-E #1 + #4, you'd block off access to PCI-E #2 x4 slot and PCI #2 slot but still have access to PCI-E #3 (yellow x16 slot - photo below has Highpoint RR3520LF PCI-E raid controller installed) and PCI #1 which is empty below :)

http://nx.i4memory.com/reviewimages/...sfirex_003.jpg http://nx.i4memory.com/reviewimages/...sfirex_002.jpg
http://nx.i4memory.com/reviewimages/...sfirex_004.jpg http://nx.i4memory.com/reviewimages/...sfirex_008.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grinch

so what bios is everybody using now?

2/27 beta for now.. can't wait for next DFI bios more mem related options to play with :D
03-19-2009, 07:55 PM
rusty

What do you guys AHCI or IDE mode? What ahci drivers do use for proper installation?
03-20-2009, 11:08 AM
gregorisvas

Don't know if it's answered in a previous post but...How the heck can I set a non turbo multi over 24x? Can't find it anywhere and the turbo mode doesn't seem to work :( I need it for 3D :(
03-21-2009, 02:09 AM
OverDozeD

I hve now 3gb OCz platinium
but vista 32 shows only 2560mb physical memory
Should I try to change LOWGAP setting in order to show correct RAM buffer or leave it on a default value?
03-21-2009, 05:28 AM
rusty

has anyone board fried yet or am I the first one ?
03-21-2009, 09:20 AM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusty

What do you guys AHCI or IDE mode? What ahci drivers do use for proper installation?

i use IDE, AHCI drivers come with SATA matrix intel raid drivers as well. For raid i use 3rd party hardware raid controllers so I can move arrays between different boards without worry :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregorisvas

Don't know if it's answered in a previous post but...How the heck can I set a non turbo multi over 24x? Can't find it anywhere and the turbo mode doesn't seem to work :( I need it for 3D :(

never used 965 cpu, but each brand board sometimes have early bios limitations on multipliers - seems DFI is 23x or 24x right now ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by OverDozeD

I hve now 3gb OCz platinium
but vista 32 shows only 2560mb physical memory
Should I try to change LOWGAP setting in order to show correct RAM buffer or leave it on a default value?

set lowgap to whatever is needed for GPU/system to run. Whatever vista32 shows as available is what you have, with any decent 512MB-1GB GPU card you're looking at only 2-2.5GB available ram on 32bit system and even 64bit unless you move to 6GB ram then you're see between 4.5-5+ GB available.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusty

has anyone board fried yet or am I the first one ?

Nope still going strong here :)

Something happened to yours ?
03-21-2009, 12:25 PM
Sam_oslo

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusty

What do you guys AHCI or IDE mode? What ahci drivers do use for proper installation?

I have used RAID-mode on DFI's stock controller (Intel ICH10), for Vertex 30GB as W7 OS-disk, and all my tests confirms that it is performing much better than IDE-mode.

I could install W7 out of box (without loading disk drivers), but have installed Intel Matrix Storage Manager on W7 later.
03-21-2009, 04:01 PM
rusty

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

Something happened to yours ?

When I turned on pc the smoke came out from the back area I believe it came from the mosfet area. Before I was getting the buzzing sound from that area but I thought it was fine.
03-21-2009, 09:05 PM
i7luver

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusty

When I turned on pc the smoke came out from the back area I believe it came from the mosfet area. Before I was getting the buzzing sound from that area but I thought it was fine.

holy crap urs burned up? i'm getting a buzzing from mine too.. this is bad
03-21-2009, 11:36 PM
rusty

Quote:

Originally Posted by i7luver

holy crap urs burned up? i'm getting a buzzing from mine too.. this is bad

no worry there are other people who get that sound and their mobos don't burn It's just random I guess

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