yea thats what im asking its just a little odd that for moving to 45nm the voltage actually goes up another .1v.Quote:
Originally Posted by charged3800z24
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yea thats what im asking its just a little odd that for moving to 45nm the voltage actually goes up another .1v.Quote:
Originally Posted by charged3800z24
Not even an AM3 motherboad will use the same components than say a x58 uses so you cant compare alike intel and amd systems...
no but that will at least come down to having better platforms which matters too. its different than comparing a ddr2 800 cpu to a ddr3 1600 cpu when the people that make the ram have nothing to do with either company that makes the cpu.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
I said besides CPU and Motherboard. Same Hard,drive, ram, video, psu .... this is the best was to compare them. Of course you cannot stick an AMD chip into a Intel socket...so that is irrelevant. :p: It is like putting a HD4850 with the Intel and then a HD4870 x2 in the AMD and saying the AMD is faster because it had the highest overall score in 3dmark06....Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
Well, Coolice got cpu=5846 at 4.0Ghz. But his NB was 2600mhz. SOURCEQuote:
Originally Posted by ownage
No wai!1!1! :eek: 2.6Ghz is "bigger" than 1.8GHz?1? Who would have think of that? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by lo squartatore
Newsflash for you: The chip is fully unlocked and you can set Northbridge frequency as high as chip lets you.If you read up about BIOS on K10 and know what you are doing,you can get as high as 2.7Ghz stable on Phenom II's Nortbridge.And then you can move on the core clocks.
this is exactly what i am talking about. the northbridge is overclockable. yes thats true i said it. now show me a penryn running on stock fsb.Quote:
Originally Posted by lo squartatore
That's one of the biggest issues and few people look at it or bother to take it into consideration. If you could crank up both the NB and HT Link you'd likely see very different results than stock clocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazzman
Of course, the biggest problem with NB speed is CPU-Z doesn't display it on validation nor the first tab ...
Here is a comparison I just did with one of my mild OC'd 4850's. I ran loose timings @ 800mhz Ram, 1800mhz HT/1800mhz NB 3.3ghz CPU. I ran another test with same 3.3ghz CPU and 2400mhz HT/2400mhz NB, 1066mhz and a lil tighter timings. notice the scores...CPU changed a lil, but the overall went up a lot more.
http://3800z24.info/Phenom/9950/3d_c...800nb_full.JPG
http://3800z24.info/Phenom/9950/3d_c...400nb_full.JPG
Under Vista with 400MHz memory ? I doubt :/Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
But I prefer waiting for the real Phenom 2 ^^
Phenom 2 seems to be good under 3dmark, I am waiting for its real price in market ^^
Charged3800z24, can you try with more bus speed, and 1:2 FSB:DRAM ?
Cordialement,
How's that a fair comparison, when you mention "overclockable" for one chip, and "stock" for the other? Wouldn't a fair comparison be a stock vs stock scenario? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
:yepp:so if you are gonna compare an overclocked penryn with an overclocked phenom why is it wrong to have an overclocked northbridge on the phenom when the penryn has it as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Thanks for performing that test and posting the results! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by charged3800z24
Not as much as I expected but more than most people probably figured on ... ;)
Why do you single out the fsb to run at stock? You know very well the NB functions differently on the AMD platform.Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
sigh just forget it. i was referencing towards the fact that lo squartatore was mad that the nb was running at 2.6. which i don't understand why. if it can do it why not? but if amd cpus are not allowed to overclock the hypertransport and nb then i think it would be fair to not allow the penryns to overclock the fsb for a fair comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Touche.Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
hey, it is not our fault the Phenoms have a nice tweakable feature when OCing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Yeah,even though you can tweak it to heaven and it will even let you :D,we shouldn't do it.Who needs all the unlocked goodies when you can even underclock it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by charged3800z24
I didn't say there was something wrong with that, I was merely calling for a stock to stock comparison; when it comes to overclocking, it's a no brainer! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by charged3800z24
Are we contradicting ourselves again... ? :D Talking about "feature" turbo mode, and HT (read hyperthreading comes to mind). I wonder if you can wrap your mind around that for me. But seriously, forget the features, it'll all come down to performance - stock, and overclocked. Each platform has ways to wring out the last ounce of performance and the best at doing it will win. Is that fair enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Well I thought I had a :p: at the end of my post.. but any who.... stock for stock...then it comes down to price point. I don't know if I remember what we are talking bout anymore lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Nope,HT and turbo are out of the box.Maybe for you this isn't the case,for me both are fine. AMD sells their chip as fully unlocked and only a "noob" wouldn't use all the abilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
:para:Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
I reckon this means you're going to OCit like hell? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
wanna know what it means? it means i have had an fx58 and an fx60 before yet i can't recall if i ever went into the bios of either of those. also i have a phenom 9600 right now which i haven't overclocked at all for other reasons. but when i get phenom II hell yes im gonna overclock that thing. i just need to work out an issue right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal