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05-09-2007, 03:53 PM
Mago_10

R600 unified shaders are vec4 + scalar or vec5 superscalar ??

whats the difference ?
05-09-2007, 04:03 PM
cadaveca

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Originally Posted by deathman20

But the high end with the AA doesn't make any sence where it drops really low.

First sample cards have half of ringbus disabled.:fact:
05-09-2007, 04:30 PM
wickedld9

I predict the 2900XT bests the 8800 Ultra in Rainbow Six: Vegas which uses base code from Unreal Engine 3! Any takers?

Highest in-game quality settings, no AA.
05-09-2007, 07:48 PM
GMX

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Originally Posted by cadaveca

First sample cards have half of ringbus disabled.:fact:

First sample cards...

And if you are right, and these people have some of those cards, then AMD/ATI is the dumbest corporation I have ever seen. Throughout history they keep doing these kamikaze strikes LOL.
05-09-2007, 07:53 PM
Dimitriman

There is no magic people should try to get over the fake benches, bad drivers, bad card arguments.
2900XT will (relatively) suck big time and its going to leave everyone who's been waiting for it disappointed because not only does it not come even close to 8800GTX but it loses to 8800GTS in about half of the benches I've seen so far.
For a product that is 6 months newer, every bench that leaked out so far showed R600 as being a flop and I'm really just accepting it now.
By flop I mean not beating 8800GTX in Most benchies which even the 2900XT should do after coming to the market so late.
Oh, and then there is that power consumption..
just...
sigh...
05-09-2007, 08:02 PM
Silvermirage

I need to get away from my computer for a couple days until this card comes out. All the buzz is just killing me. I need to stop waiting for the next "thing" to be "leaked". Only a few days left...now to find something to take this stuff off my mind...
05-10-2007, 12:03 AM
flopper

Vista is the gaming platform of choice using crysis and other titles that soon comes out.
there is the ati XT the card to have.

Crossfire solutions will also be one where 8 cards might run at the same time.
Where performance will scale well. Nvidia has nothing there as of now.

Dx9 isnt the design choice for 2900XT as I seen it, all stuff indicate and points to DX10 and up and Vista.
So not suprised if games show a lower number in the begining, drivers will enhance that pretty much even in dx9.
3Dmark indicate the cards works well, so its all drivers to get.
05-10-2007, 12:40 AM
DataNusse

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review

hm..ill wait when there are more reviews and with some fresh drivers. The card cant be that bad.

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Originally Posted by flopper

Crossfire solutions will also be one where 8 cards might run at the same time.
Where performance will scale well. Nvidia has nothing there as of now.

Thank god that nVidia arent that stupid do that kind a thing.
1500W powerconsumption, wohoo! :rolleyes:

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Vista is the gaming platform of choice using crysis and other titles that soon comes out.
there is the ati XT the card to have.

Are you by any chance working for ATI's PR team? Because you are very good att promotiong ATi's products.
05-10-2007, 12:47 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by flopper

Vista is the gaming platform of choice using crysis and other titles that soon comes out.
there is the ati XT the card to have.

Crossfire solutions will also be one where 8 cards might run at the same time.
Where performance will scale well. Nvidia has nothing there as of now.

Dx9 isnt the design choice for 2900XT as I seen it, all stuff indicate and points to DX10 and up and Vista.
So not suprised if games show a lower number in the begining, drivers will enhance that pretty much even in dx9.
3Dmark indicate the cards works well, so its all drivers to get.

Why would it be magically amazing faster in DX10 compared to DX9? It would be something we havent seen before in the DX history with cards.

And 3Dmark is hardly worth its own reputation. Since GPU makers have been cheating alot before in that bench.
05-10-2007, 01:21 AM
ownage

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Why would it be magically amazing faster in DX10 compared to DX9? It would be something we havent seen before in the DX history with cards.

Because its a DX10 architecture??
05-10-2007, 01:25 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by ownage

Because its a DX10 architecture??

And? Did the DX9 cards perform alot better in DX9 than DX8/8.1? Did the DX8 cards perform better in DX8 than DX7? And so on...

The "faster in DX10" is a desperate hope... :slap:
05-10-2007, 02:01 AM
Noobie

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Originally Posted by DataNusse

hm..ill wait when there are more reviews and with some fresh drivers. The card cant be that bad.

Me too. Look at the AA numbers from that review:
1280 - 4x AA - CoH - 122
1280 - 4x AA - FEAR - 81
1280 - 4x AA - FarCry - 97
1280 - 4x AA - Oblivion - 47
1280 - 4x AA - Prey - 81
1280 - 4x AA - SC - 43
1280 - 4x AA - X3 - 71

1280 - 8x AA - CoH - 117
1280 - 8x AA - FEAR - 48
1280 - 8x AA - FarCry - 86
1280 - 8x AA - Oblivion - 41
1280 - 8x AA - Prey - 66
1280 - 8x AA - SC - 37
1280 - 8x AA - X3 - 61

2560 - 4x AA - CoH - 53.3
2560 - 4x AA - FEAR - 35
2560 - 4x AA - FarCry - 44
2560 - 4x AA - Oblivion - 24
2560 - 4x AA - Prey - 46
2560 - 4x AA - SC - 20
2560 - 4x AA - X3 - 36

2560 - 8x AA - CoH - 53.1
2560 - 8x AA - FEAR - 32
2560 - 8x AA - FarCry - 43
2560 - 8x AA - Oblivion - 22
2560 - 8x AA - Prey - 32
2560 - 8x AA - SC - 20
2560 - 8x AA - X3 - 29

So much weird stuff in those numbers.....
05-10-2007, 02:38 AM
AbelJemka

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Originally Posted by Shintai

And? Did the DX9 cards perform alot better in DX9 than DX8/8.1? Did the DX8 cards perform better in DX8 than DX7? And so on...

The "faster in DX10" is a desperate hope... :slap:

GeForce 7 compete with Radeon X19xx in all game when both cards where release but in all recents games Radeon X19xx truncate them.

Look at ATI numbers versus Nvidia numbers. ATI cards totally dominate Nvidia card!!! Nvidia cards grow old badly compare to ATI cards. 9800pro card numbers are impressive in today games.
05-10-2007, 03:00 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

GeForce 7 compete with Radeon X19xx in all game when both cards where release but in all recents games Radeon X19xx truncate them.

Look at ATI numbers versus Nvidia numbers. ATI cards totally dominate Nvidia card!!! Nvidia cards grow old badly compare to ATI cards. 9800pro card numbers are impressive in today games.

Uhmm...no?
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20...x/index.x?pg=1

And even in new games, only a few got the ATI dominance. And mainly due to product refresh and driver focus.

But you left all the reason out on, why it should be faster in DX10.
05-10-2007, 03:20 AM
ownage

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Uhmm...no?
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20...x/index.x?pg=1

And even in new games, only a few got the ATI dominance. And mainly due to product refresh and driver focus.

But you left all the reason out on, why it should be faster in DX10.

Your the type that only looks at FPS lol!!
By looking at that review you would say that 7900series is actually better then the X1900series??:wierd:
05-10-2007, 03:42 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by LOE

G80 shaders are optimised for DX9 and can process DX10 code as well
R600 shaders are optimised for DX10 and can process DX9 code as well

IMO NVIDIA did the smarter decision, keeping in mind there are no DX10 games yet

By the time we have a good number of DX10 games they will release G90 that will probably be more DX10 optimised

And we know this how? Official statements?
05-10-2007, 03:43 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by ownage

Your the type that only looks at FPS lol!!
By looking at that review you would say that 7900series is actually better then the X1900series??:wierd:

Ye, FPS doesnt matter when you game....might get 1-2FPS, but DAMN IT LOOKS GOOD on this 9800pro!!!!!!!11111
05-10-2007, 03:53 AM
AbelJemka

What the meaning of the TechReport review? :confused:
Moreover saying that ATI dominance in some game (GeForce 7 vs X19xx) is due to product refresh and driver focus is very funny : Nvidia nerver refreshed their line and never released driver update?:stick:
I can't prove at the moment that they will be faster in DX10 but you can't prove either way that "it's a desperate hope".
05-10-2007, 04:46 AM
onethreehill

Quick test on new ATI new GC
http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showthread.php?t=1607936
05-10-2007, 04:53 AM
fornowagain

Link

Quote:

At the MSI PC2008 event yesterday in Taipei MSI showed off its watercooled version of the Radeon HD 2900XT and we snapped a shot for you to ogle over for now. We’re working on the coverage of the whole event and it will be up later today. But for now, enjoy this picture of this card which has a very nice looking watercooler on it.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4...xtlargewj0.jpg
05-10-2007, 05:03 AM
fornowagain

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Originally Posted by onethreehill

Quick test on new ATI new GC
http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showthread.php?t=1607936

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okey dokey. i can only consider myself one of those lucky guys to get my hands on some new toys (retail version) before it's launched next week for some testing.

however, i encounter some issues in running benchmarks on Win XP, thus have to do it on Windows Vista. Would feedback to ATI on this issue & see if there's any new or official drivers to solve it.

& of cos, not forgetting it's challenger... i used the 88gts 320MB from Asus as a comparison.

a teaser for all interested.

Test Platform

Intel E6600
Asus P5B Deluxe
2 x 1GB D9GMH KVR
Seagate SATA 80GB HDD
Windows Vista Home Premium

& le't's go

8800GTS Stock
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3...defaultby2.jpg

ATI Stock
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7...teditedrm3.jpg

ATI Overdrive MAX OC
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/8...xeditedbi9.jpg

Now that GTS is getting spanked.
05-10-2007, 05:07 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by fornowagain

Now that GTS is getting spanked.

If only that was so, then a 8600GTS would be alot better buy than a x1950Pro. Yet, when we drop 3Dmark and play actual games it turns around. And 3DMark cheat drivers aint uncomon ;)

Last nVidia driver gave what, 200-500 more 3Dmarks and nothing in real games.

And Vista is also a bad test, since nVidias drivers is abit behind there.
05-10-2007, 05:07 AM
bloodbanger

why didn't he use a 8800Gts 640mb?It seems to me that that card is the one 2900XT is competing against?
05-10-2007, 05:11 AM
fornowagain

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Originally Posted by Shintai

If only that was so, then a 8600GTS would be alot better buy than a x1950Pro. Yet, when we drop 3Dmark and play actual games it turns around. And 3DMark cheat drivers aint uncomon ;)

Last nVidia driver gave what, 200-500 more 3Dmarks and nothing in real games.

And Vista is also a bad test, since nVidias drivers is abit behind there.

Alright:rolleyes: That GTS is getting spanked at stock in 3dmark06 using Vista.:horse:

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