A) blue towards the front.
B) Fan down. Not sure it matters though.
Neither version of Vista needs special drivers for the Intel RAID. Don't use any. If you want latest and greatest, update the driver after the install is complete.
You only need the audio drivers if you need to use the front panel audio jacks.
The multiplier changing is normal. There's a BIOS bug where disabling C1E doesn't actually disable it.
Okay, it doesn't do that though. I don't see my RAID setup when I get to choose the destination drive. At that point I chose the load-driver option.
That's not an excuse though. Updating a driver shouldn't give me BSOD's.Quote:
You only need the audio drivers if you need to use the front panel audio jacks.
The multiplier changing is normal. There's a BIOS bug where disabling C1E doesn't actually disable it.
I reckon the culprit may be the VGA card as well, for that I'm going to see if I can "borrow" my housemate's X300 for a couple of hours.
Appreciate you trying to help me out ^^.
No No No.
You must go into the BIOS and tell it that you want the Intel SATA controller set to type "RAID". Then you must go into the Intel RAID setup at boot time and configure your array and SAVE it. The array should show up in the Intel utility at boot time after that. Put your RAID devices on the first SATA controller ports and put any other devices (extra hard disks, optical drives, etc) on the leftover ports.
Once your array is configured Vista will automatically see it and install to it with no pressing F6 or any drivers needed at setup time.
I've done this three times with both RAID 1 and RAID 0 and haven't had a lick of trouble.
That's the first thing I did. And turning it back to IDE or the other one (ADHI?? The one for NCQ) whenever I use the Marvell controller.
Making an array and such is no problem at all. Making it's existance known to Windows is.
I've been at it for like 20 hours in 2 days (got the thing 29 hours ago, puts things in perspective...) So no usual rookie mistakes... I hope :D
(did take a while to find out how the BIOS works, way different from the Pheonix ones I used on previous systems)
So, the controller is in RAID mode.
You have a RAID0 array created.
You can see it in the Intel Matrix BIOS screen.
But you don't see it at all in the list of destinations to install Vista to.
Yes?
In the BIOS Boot screen, make sure the array is the first boot device.
Exactly what's plugged into what SATA ports?
Is your CD/DVD IDE or SATA?
When you boot, do you get prompted to "Press Enter to boot from CD/DVD" or does the system boot directly to the Vista install?
Was there anything on these drives previously or are they clean?
thanks a lot gtj and hotchoc
Hey guys, I just got the Badaxe 2 and the E6700 and am kinda bummed about the locked 10x multi. There's no way to run 1:1 memory unless I underclock which doesn't make sense, or way overclock which doesn't seem healthy.
Also, I need some advice on what case to get and what air cooler to get. This is for an office environment (Desktop/Workstation) so nothing fancy. I consider my home Lian Li PC-201B a little overkill for an office workstation.
Thanks for any help,
Kluster
For the office, I have a Lian Li, PCA05B. Nice Case. I put 3 74 gig raptors in it (RAID 5) and a 500w seasonic P/S with 4gigs of ram. I used an E6400 with the stock cooler and ran it up to 2.9 GHZ. I backed it down to 2.7. I felt it wasnt needed and it will live longer I hope.
The 6700 I have in the wifes PC here at home runs a little toasty on the stock cooler. All these chips react differently. You may get away with the stock cooler just fine. Give it a try. If your looking for lower temps, check out the air cooling section. All of the favorite coolers fit the Bad Axe.
Okay, I tried everything again (in safe-mode now on the Marvell RAID controller, everything else BSODs) and still no dice.
One thing that I didn't remembered correctly, was when the Vista-install asks for the additional drivers, it's even before selecting a destination. It's also before the entering of the product-code. It comes up seconds after selecting the regional settings.
Latest Catalyst driver (installed from the INF-file) and latest Sigmatel Audio driver also glitch bad, BSOD's just before the log-on screen...
At which point should I be thinking of RMA'ing this board?
Wait, Vista is ASKING for drivers? Something's seriously wrong. Are you doing 32bit ot 64bit? Is it maybe asking for the SATA DVD drivers? Do you get to the "Install Now" screen? Can you try with a IDE DVD? I've seen lots of install problem reports related to SATA DVD drives, not specific to this board.
By selecting the Mem Frequency 533/667 and so on running different dividers of course depending on your reference freq. for example 400fsb with a 266ref freq and a 533 mem freq gives you DDR2 800 1:1 running with mem freq of 667 gives DDR2 1000 4:5 and so on and so forth. Each time your ddr2 speed goes up, your throughput will go up and changing dividers as well.
Here's an idea for RAID problems. Try port 0 and 1. I have been able to do RAID under MCE 2005 and Vista in the manner GTJ describes.
Hey guys, I've got a problem with the board that I need help with. I recently replaced my psu with a more powerful one in anticipation of the ATi R600. I plugged everything in and when I hit the on/off power button, nothing happens. I double checked all of my connections: 24 pin, 8pin, and even the extra 4pin molex connector. I thought it might be a doa psu, so I plugged the new Silverstone OP1000 into an old P4 550 with an Asus P945 board and everything booted up fine. So I know there's nothing wrong with the psu. Now I go and plug my old Fortron Epsilon 700 psu that I was using back into my current Badaxe2 system, checked all of the connections, and I got the same result; no boot up.
OK, so I thought it might be my computer case's on/off power button that's died. I decided to use an old Antec Super Lanboy computer case that I know works because I had just tried it with the P4 550 and new OP1000 psu. I reassembled the Badaxe2 and all of my components into the old Antec case, checked all of the connectors, and powered it up. You guessed it, nothing happened. I do see the green led light near the 24pin connector on the Badaxe2 being lighted. So I'm guessing power is being fed to the motherboard. It's just that I can't turn on the computer when I hit the on/off power button.
It was working fine earlier in the week until I swapped the psu. Then no response even though I switched back to the psu that I was using before. I've verified both psus to be working. Do you guys think my motherboard is dead?
Did you remember to use CTRL+I to go into the matrix raid setup to actually create the raid partitions? Also, if you have already slip-streamed matrix raid drivers onto a windows installation disc, then you'll get errors if you try to load drivers by F6.
I'll suggest you check the raid setup, in case you don't know, this is how you do it:
During the post process, as soon as you see the matrix raid screen, press both CTRL key + I simultaneously (you can do it repetitively) till it takes you into the raid setup. Everything else is simple. You can even create multiple raid partitions.
Like I said in previous posts, I did. And this isn't the first time I've set-up a RAID-array, so I know the basics pretty well ^^. It's also an OEM-disc, no altered settings, drivers or added stuff. Just the stuff Microsoft put on there. (and yes, both Vista32 and Vista64 are the same).
I'm not pushing F6 (you don't need to in Vista), the installer itself prompts me to install drivers, way before you have to select the destination drive. That should come after you put in your productkey, this happens before I enter my productkey.
I'm going to try what Backlash said, using port 0 & 1 and disconnect every other SATA device, I'll disable the Marvell controller as well during the installation. Not the way I want to setup windows but I'll try anything at this point. I'll report back, hopefully from a functioning PC :(
Any body have any idea why I have a question mark next to a PCI device in Device Manager?
I only have 2 PCI devices (Radeon X1900XT and Creative XFi Extreme Music) and their drivers are installed and they both show up correctly.
There's a little power button on the MB itself, down near the SATA connectors. Did you try using that? I had a similar problem when I first built mine, but I disconnected the power switch connector from the MB and turned it around and reconnected it and then it worked fine. You wouldn't think that polarity of that connector would matter, and I don't know if it did or not, but it was strange anyway.
I have the same cpu/motherboard combo running like yours, except mine needs 1.42v to run stable. Anyway, I didn't know there is a power switch on the mobo itself. When I first put my system together, I didn't touch the mobo power switch (I didn't even know it existed) and everything ran fine until the recent psu swap. I guess I might've accidentally turned the switch off without realizing it when I was moving the other cables around. Do I have to mess with the switch like you did when I change to a different psu?
I don't think it is a port issue. I strongly suspect it is a disk issue. Here's what I will do if I were in your position. I will use the software that comes with the disks (preferably the latest software on the the manufacturer's site) and use that to "prepare the disks" for OS installation. This has worked for me in the past with problem OS installs. Goodluck.
Hi gtj, thanks for all you've done in this thread and for your bx2 web page. Using your calculator it doesn't matter if I go from the stock 266 fsb to 300 or 333, the memory double data rate is still 12800. Even if I do go all the way to 400 fsb, the memory bandwidth is still only 12.8K.
I guess I'll just leave my office setup stable with no overclock, but when I get my bx2 and qx6700 for home next paycheck, I'll be looking forward to unlocked multi and 1:1 memory.
Thanks,
Kluster
Okay, I got it to install on the Intel RAID drivers (hurray!!) Thanks everyone who tried and succeeded in helping me. Almost chucked the damn thing out of the window.
The thing that did it for me was using port 0 & 1 and using an IDE DVD-ROM. I reckon only the IDE DVD-ROM was key in this. Also disabled basically everything else (sound, Marvell, NIC: the works) Not I'm going to try turning them back on one-by-one and hope it will still work. Funny how I had to activate Windows by phone now, for just changing the DVD-ROM drive.
After that, drivers updates :S Already dreading the BSODs. Hopefully my luck has turned completely.
Found out it wasn't hanging after all. i have patience problems :P
What about the ram dividers now? Kinda confuse as to use 1:1 or 4:5 or 2:3Btw, what's the difference of a 3:2 or 5:4 compared to the former. Is there such a thing ?
OK great board so far, but I have one problem which is annoying as hell: the mic is so low (boost is on and I have it maxed out); ppl can barely hear me in ventrilo and xfire. Do any of you have this problem? what should I do....it might be a problem with the mobo and in that case I should rma it.
That's something I forgot, and it was a good point that was mentioned-
When I was using RAID, besides port 0 + 1, I did indeed use IDE DVD drives. I still use them and they are linked together on said channel.
Yeah, more people stumbled upon that particular event. SATA-DVD D975BX2 with the Intel Matrix RAID Windows install = no go.
My second problem is still there though :( I can't update the VGA-card drivers if I don't want to see BSODs (safe mode does fine). I tried my housemates X300, it doesn't give me BSODs, it just glitches at roughly the same point and displays garbage. Mostly blue with specs of white. As if it isn't capable of displaying the BSOD.
Googling this gave me a hit with someone else with the same problem (link). Both those cards work flawlessly in his 4400X2 rig (also Vista install, but 32-bit). So is this a ATI-Intel D975BX2 driver error?
I guess I need to find someone with a nVidia card and see if that does the trick. Anyone in the area (Utrecht) with a PCI-E nVidia card who wants to sacrifice an afternoon of troubleshooting?! :(
Heh, and I was planning on buying a r600 as well. ATI & Intel better get their game together (if all my components are indeed not defective)
I don't know all the specifics and ATi had problems with the 7.3 driver. I know a guy on Win XP Pro x64 who doesn't get BSODs with that driver but the CCC won't load and he gets a ".mom implementation error" message.
There are details and a link to a hotfix for the 7.3s here:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2109580,00.asp
I should note that MS x64 OS have patchguard protection for the kernel, and a BSOD is usually a sign of the system rejecting something trying to mod the kernel. It simply shuts down as a security measure.
Patchguard:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/driver...tpatching.mspx
As far as Vista goes, I dual boot and will use it for DX 10 games only until the first service pack this fall. Then I will reevaluate. I am not impressed with it as is. I do like aeroglass and the new sound stack though. I don't see any reason to load up Vista to play DX 9 games often with degraded performance and missing features, like for example, AA + HDR in Oblivion. I won't even talk about OGL performance. People with SLi and Crossfire aren't doing well with it either.
I wish I could reproduce the problems you guys are having with SATA DVD installs. I just did 6 of them, 3 XP and 3 Vista Ultimate 32 and didn't have a single issue.
XP no raid
XP on RAID 1
XP on RAID 0
Vista no raid
Vista on RAID 1
Vista on RAID 0
2x Seagate 320 on ports 0,1
1x WD4000 on port 3
1x Plextor PX755SA on port 4
and I even threw a WD2500 on Marvell port 0
The only thing I can think of is the BIOS. I'm using the latest (2674).
This is all on the RALPH machine in my sig.
I haven't had a problem with a SATA DVD on the BX2 and don't own one. I was noting that I did use IDE DVD drives to Hooker. Personally, I haven't had any problems with RAID installs using Vista or MCE 2005 on the BX2.
The only thing I hate about the board is the finicky watchdog service and that can easily be disabled. I do wish they would make an express BIOS update .exe that worked properly under a x64 OS too.
For those people getting the highest 24/7 FSB numbers with quad cores, what kind of chipset voltages are you using? Pretty sure I won't get it, but making a play for 400.
Also, for this board, what is the upper limit on safe 24/7 volts for the chipset? I have good cooling for the NB.
I top out at 340 :-( 341 and POOF!
Well, I know the chip will boot into BIOS at least at 401 FSB as I did it mistakenly once. :rolleyes: I thought I had reset my BIOS on a different board (975 chipset again) and I hadn't, so it booted into my 6600 settings, which were very high. So I just need to figure out what to do to make that happen on this board as well as what the safe chipset limits are for 24/7.
ok im trying to setup a RAID0 and is just not working :(
i enter the BIOS enable RAID save and exit i create(ctrl i) the raid0 everything fine i save the raid that i just created and exit go back to bios and raid is there good so i exit again and load windows XP pro sp2 on it and when it comes to hit F6 is just not going in after pressing F6 no no windows just go ahead normally and tells me that i need the drivers for the intel matrix so i press S (windows option) i insert the floopy and hit enter seens like is installing the drivers and all that but after a few secs the blue screen of death comes :(
im using a QX6700
4gig of ram
2 sata dvd
and 2 seagate 500gb
hd's on 0 and 1 port and dvd's on the3 and 4 of the intel matrix (black ones)
im using the latest bios
ANY IDEAS?
native or legacy? native right , ive tried the dvd's on the marvell and same thing i changed the hd's port and same no matter what i do is the same crap
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For those people getting the highest 24/7 FSB numbers with quad cores, what kind of chipset voltages are you using? Pretty sure I won't get it, but making a play for 400.
Also, for this board, what is the upper limit on safe 24/7 volts for the chipset? I have good cooling for the NB.
I couldn't get over 370 with any voltage up to 1.65v but I only worked the 10x multi for that, and that was unstable. Prime95 stable right around 350(again only testing with 10x)
Haven't read enough about max 24/7 NB voltage to answer your question properly. But seeing how the 975 is the larger technology(in comparision to the 965 for example) and the Intel datasheets I have seen posted I personally would be comfortable around 1.6 maybe 1.65 with good cooling and would be able to sleep at night with no worries. I'm sure someone will have a much better answer since people have been overclocking the 975 for a long time.
You don't get an immediate response from F6 so that's normal.
Things to try...
Remove 2 sticks of memory.
Remove the 2nd SATA DVD drive
Make sure you're selecting the first entry in the driver list when it comes up
Disable "Secondary SATA Controller" in BIOS.
What's the info on the BSOD?
Thanks Gtj
good news i was able to do the whole thing with an IDE dvd , is formatting right now:)
i have another question bro
im planning on doing another raid setup the next one is a raid 1 (waiting for the hd) is it anyway i can do the raid 1 on the marvell without loosing everything im doing today? (raid0) i mean can add a raid 1 later on and having raid0-1?
Ajfina, I had the exact same problem (almost the exact same build as well.) And in my case, using a IDE disc-drive solved the install "bug". But you had already found tha tout yourself.
As for my VGA-card problems. ATi acknowledged the problems and issued a hot-fix which solved it for me. You can get it here:
http://support.ati.com/ics/support/K...estionID=26900
So now with everything in working order, it's OC time :D
gtj :
Kinda confuse as to use 1:1 or 4:5 or 2:3. All along i thought 1:! was the ideal ratio to use until a couple threads back.
What's the difference of a 3:2 or 5:4 compared to the former. Is there such a thing ?
There's no evidence that "1:1" is any different than the other ratios. Maybe there's some advantage on other or older chipsets but not on the 975X. Use whatever combination of reference and memory frequency gets you the highest stable throughput.
A 3:2 or 5:4 FSB:MEM ratio means your memory will actually be SLOWER than your FSB. Unless you are running an FSB over 450 you probably don't want to do that.
gtj,
if my orthos is stable for 4hrs ++ but my OCCT (30mins on ram and cpu) fails in the last 9 minutes, is my system/oc considered stable ?
I'm beginning to think stability is a state of mind. My Ram has been acting strange the last couple of days. FAH is EUE ing but Memetest cant find any issues. Ive dropped back to 2.6 for a while just to take a break. Yaknow, its not that much slower :-)
Just one general BX2 question, please.
I just received one, haven't tried it yet.
Another forum member described use of a BX2 as a "jumper parade", although he wasn't using it with a C2D.
Is this really the case?
Do you need constant access to BX2 jumpers, making it hard to put the cover on your case?
Thanks,
Andrew
Hey guys,
I'm a new owner of a BX2 / e6600 combo. Been reading gtj's page, great stuff.
Right now I'm at 2792 MHz (310x9) on default everythings (only changed FSB, enabled the slope, and disabled the Marvell controller) and 3+ hours Orthos Blend stable. I know that 2808 (312x9) is unstable. Can't figure that one out. I've pushed the RAM voltage, MCH, cpu voltage, etc... with no change. I've dropped RAM back to 667 setting (currently at 800), no change (unstable). Right now even the RAM is at stock voltage (1.84v, 5-5-5-18) and clocking at 465MHz and is stable.
I pushed settings to:
FSB 1.40
MCH 1.60
CPU 1.40
Memory 2.08
tried DDR667
it seems no matter what I try, 312+ FSB just doesn't want to happen with orthos blend. I've been as high as 345, with cpu volts as high as 1.475 in BIOS, but that was orthos cpu unstable (but did boot and run windows). I tried just running with it @ 3GHz, but when I tried to encode a video (MPEG2 to DVD), it crashed on me about 15 minutes in to the encode (a 1 1/2 hour process, likely).
My system specs: new e6600 (L707A), Crucial Ballistix DDR2-1000, Corsair HX-520 power supply, thermalright ultra-120 hs with 120mm fan, xfx 7600gt vid card, fan over video card / northbridge, exhaust fan out back
My goal was to hit 3GHz with a 500MHz memory frequency and be blend stable.
To address the "jumper parade", I wired a switch outside my box. It's easy for a cable guy to make a cable. ;) I've only used it once though. Everything else has been in the regular BIOS.
Edit: I may have answered my own question.
I found that I need to pull power completely from the system in order for the new Vcore to be active. I set the voltage to 1.400 in BIOS, and saw no change in Everest (1.31). I then pulled power completely, and now Everest is at 1.36 volts. I'm currently chugging Orthos blend at 315x9 and so far so good... So I may do some experimenting towards that end.
Edit: currently at 327x9 (2950), bios volts at 1.425 (Everest @ 1.38V), I went ahead and set memory volts to 2.00 (491MHz mem clock), and am 30 minutes in to an orthos blend test. Time to go for 3GHz...
The switch you are referring to is just the one for the hidden settings?
If so, no big deal.
Just trying to see if there is any reason to go to try out a DFI 965-S. Since I have an E6600, and have never used any multiplier other than 9 x and never gone above 390 FSB, I can't see any advantage to a 965 board. Am I missing something?
At this point, I have had a DH Deluxe, a P5W64, and a couple of other 975x and 965 boards for very short periods. Was going to the BX2 (which I have already received) for the reported stability, but I DON'T WANT a board that I constantly have to "futz" with, once the basic tweaking is done with.
The DFI seems somewhat appealing just for the solid caps.
Dunno,
Andrew
I mean a clear cmos / normal mode switch
sorry for crappy quality
http://simon.webideal.ca/Temp/PC/switch.JPG
I used a switch and old wires from a case (Power Led)
you can mount the switch on your case also :)
lolz i spotted a noctua fanboi :P
But why do you prefer orthos..the GUI?
Forceman..thanks..that really sucks
Looks like MWave is where I will have to buy the board
Supertim0r....can you make the switch and sell them..I bet alot of badaxe2 users would love it....
also how do you find the newer bios's for OCing..I have seen a few comment the 2395 bios is not as good for example as 2333 for OCing?
Hi guys need some help. I been following this for long time now . been trying different boards ever since my badaxe seemed to have died about month ago. The other day i pulled it out of the box and dusted it off. removed battery for a day Put it back in and guess what? it booted and seemed to be fine. Have 1 problem. I cant get it to boot with 2 sticks of ram I have tried 3 different setts and no luck so far. Boots with 1 stick everytime. In jumper mode I go to bios set vdimm 2.2 shut down install second stick with no luck. Also tried higher vdimm no luck. I was cooling the northbridge liquid chilled and it got to cold condensation was the result. Thats why it was put away a month ago. I thought it was dead but its not. This board seems to be the best i have tried with my quad core. Any help would be great.
can someone explain what straps does? from what I've figured, the main three are 1333 1066 and 800. Which one is faster and which one is best to use?
Also, are you supposed to ADD power to that 4pin molex connector to the left of the nb? I have a fan connected atm, lol.
some good strap info located here.
strap 1066 will give you the best performance in my opinion. checkout GTJ's BADAXE2 Calculator & his BADAXE2 Guide both should help in your mission to juice this great board.
Should I disable VT/XT when OCing
I would suggest you read this BAD AXE 2 guide by gtj
So is this C1E not disabling causing overclocks to be unstable with general use..seems like it would be a big issue on this mobo and overclocking....
although everyone in general seems to be happy with the mobo and its performance/stability....just not alot of "exotic" bios options
You can try using RMclock to disable the C1E thingy and yes i have to agree on the bios options. Compared to my previous DQ6 and P5B Deluxe, i was kinda surprised at the simplicity of the bx2's bios. It is after all an Intel board :)
nealh it works with RMClock. just set it to disable on startup.
Any ideas guys:
vcore = 1.375
vfsb = 1.3
vmch/ich = 1.55
fsb = 345X9
results: error in orthos in 2h 32m, stable in OCCT, XP
vcore = 1.375
vfsb = 1.3
vmch/ich = 1.575
fsb = 345X9
results: error in orthos in 42m, stable in OCCT, XP
Why would increasing the vmch/ich decrease the stability ? What should play with next ? Higher vcore or higher vfsb.vmch ?
p.s. Would have been great if either the vmch or vich can be manually adjusted separately like the p5b
Yeah, i really don't know why am i getting such low fsbs
Ram timings are set as 5-5-5-15 with 2.2V running at 1:1
It's a week L28B some more. Hwo do you know a chp is capable of the stated speed? i.e. >3.1 Ghz
Going to try memtest86+ now. What does it mean if there's an error? Bad ram ???
not sure if it makes a diff - but i went with a spdt MOMENTARY switch...
so i have a 1-2, open, and 2-3 option
wired it up & put the switch inside the case
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/163/4...62f4726e_m.jpg
My opinion: C1E being on is only a problem while you're tuning and only if the multilier changing is confusing to you. I've never had an overclock problem with C1E on. Part of the reason may be that the 1 thing that Intel did right was to not allow C1E to change the Vcore if you set it to something other than the default. In this case, it only changes the multiplier.
I tried memtest86+ v1.70 for bout 5-10 mins and once i moved my mouse the whole system reboots.
Tried the second time and the same thing occurred - system reboot after moving the mouse. I don't see any ECC errors at all. Is this normal or is my ram screwed?
Will be trying the third time for at least 5-8hrs WITHOUT moving the mouse at all.