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12-21-2008, 06:26 AM
justapost

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Originally Posted by TL1000S

I thought the sreenies from coolice showed XP as OS, but it could have been 64-bits.
CPU score i 3DM06 varies too much to be used as reference for performance I see (I only use XP 32-bits for my use/benches).
So I am a little bit more optimistic for the "real" reviews (after NDA). :D

I asked him and he said he had used windows 7 and vista. First impression was winxp 32bit (because CB10 ran as 32bit version).
He said he had to use vista to access the full 4GB so windows 7 must have been 32bit.
12-21-2008, 07:33 AM
TL1000S

Quote:

Originally Posted by justapost

I asked him and he said he had used windows 7 and vista. First impression was winxp 32bit (because CB10 ran as 32bit version).
He said he had to use vista to access the full 4GB so windows 7 must have been 32bit.

Thanks. :up:
Then I am confident in Phenom II.
It will kick ass. :)
12-21-2008, 08:06 AM
coolice

Quote:

Originally Posted by justapost

I asked him and he said he had used windows 7 and vista. First impression was winxp 32bit (because CB10 ran as 32bit version).
He said he had to use vista to access the full 4GB so windows 7 must have been 32bit.

bro..u misunderstand me:D
the reason i swap to vista because i cant install overdrive in windows 7 ultimate
i can bench at 4ghz but not booting into windows, so wat i did is boot at 3.9ghz and push little more with AOD
all OS are 32bits;)

Edited:
and yeah,mem are not optimized
12-21-2008, 08:09 AM
AbelJemka

So your screenshot with XP GUI is Windows 7?
12-21-2008, 08:13 AM
coolice

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

So your screenshot with XP GUI is Windows 7?

nop
windows 7 for pcmark and 3dmark vantage
the rest was under winxp
12-21-2008, 08:22 AM
justapost

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Originally Posted by coolice

nop
windows 7 for pcmark and 3dmark vantage
the rest was under winxp

Ups, so i missunderstood you yesterday. Thanks for clarifying.
12-21-2008, 08:52 AM
roofsniper

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Originally Posted by mongoled

How hard is it for peeps to stay on topic????

*snip*

i have already said this myself a few times but its not gonna happen. even if you remove the few that are starting all this more will come and amd users will most likely post info about it as well. all you can do is just not respond to the info being posted.

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Originally Posted by Zucker2k

Well, you did a very good job of staying on topic yourself :clap: Yes this is the Deneb review thread, problem is reviews are not here yet and we're on 30 pages :shrug:

About PH1 vs PH2: PH1 is not going to be PHII's main competitor, the competitors are on the other side. We all know when the reviews start streaming in, it's going to be 45nm vs 45nm. This is always the way it is. This is what makes sense! PHII is going to be tested against the competition. It is going to be reviewed, it has to be tested against something? For example, ALL the Shanghai reviews on the first page, pit it against products from Intel. Even the previews of Deneb do the same except for a couple. So it is inevitable, we'll see it. If you prefer to discuss exclusively Deneb without pitting against other processors, create your own thread because you're in the wrong thread. It's obvious that the OP (Original Poster) had a different idea from all those links on the first page, you can look it up if you're in doubt.

Now, On Topic: It seems there isn't much that'll be accepted by either side until we start seeing the hard facts. Maybe this thread needs to be closed till reviews start streaking in, otherwise we're on topic by discussing Deneb (as per the OP's post) against the competition. Some choose to see it as Intel vs AMD, I choose to see it as the reality.

Sorry for going off topic, but with the way things have gone so far, someone needed to remind everybody what this thread is truly about. Thanks.
Maybe let's all wait till the reviews start coming in and then we can start talking about what chips are included in the review?

yes i know that it is pointless to compare phenom I against phenom II but its the only thing you can do without starting a fight. it doesn't mean much comparing the two but it will show us what can be done that couldn't be done before. and since there are no official benchmarks out yet and it hasn't even been released you can't compare it against the intel cpus it will be competing against. why? because it will start fights that can't be ended cause there is no definite proof. as much as i think phenom II will be successful i can't prove it yet and no one else can disprove it.

@ lo squartatore sigh you are acting pretty immature right now when people are just trying to point out obvious facts. i think it would be in the best interests of you and others to just stop posting in the amd forum unless you can actually say something meaningful. and you keep disproving all information people are posting. saying that its fake, or not possible when you yourself can't prove that in anyway. plus your sig is just halirious. do you know what a quote is? a quote is when you repeat something that someone else said. when was the last time people here talked in italian so you can quote them?
12-21-2008, 09:09 AM
imsochobo

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you can use overdrive in win7!

Its easy. Grab it from another install!
(not to be rude or anything, havnt you done enough transitions to beta os's to know you have to do this alot ?. )

My od in win7!
12-21-2008, 09:55 AM
Jazzman

Is NB >2600mhz the Difference?

Is the ability of Phenom II to oc NB beyond 2600mhz the difference maker in games when compared to other processors? Is this why the Dragon platform solution has the "potential" to best any other combo?

Or did my wife slip something in my coffee this morning? :shrug:
12-21-2008, 10:24 AM
QuietIce

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Originally Posted by Jazzman

Is the ability of Phenom II to oc NB beyond 2600mhz the difference maker in games when compared to other processors? Is this why the Dragon platform solution has the "potential" to best any other combo?

Or did my wife slip something in my coffee this morning? :shrug:

NB > 2600 is rare but certainly possible even with a Phenom I and the right tweaks. The HT Link has more influence over CPU video processing than the NB by itself but the NB does determine the total possible I/O of the CPU.

I didn't really get the rest of the question - I guess I'm dense today ... :brick:
12-21-2008, 10:31 AM
Caveman787

I think so. But it's a combination of high northbride and hypertransport speeds that lead to an increase in performance.

And I believe the northbridge and hypertransport is why phenom users claim smoother gameplay.
12-21-2008, 10:41 AM
Jazzman

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Originally Posted by QuietIce

NB > 2600 is rare but certainly possible even with a Phenom I and the right tweaks. The HT Link has more influence over CPU video processing than the NB by itself but the NB does determine the total possible I/O of the CPU.

I didn't really get the rest of the question - I guess I'm dense today ... :brick:

It has been postulated in XS that the integration of cpu, memory, chipset, video card, and drivers results in a synergy producing superior performance. This is the AMD fusion marketing position. After the AMD event in Boston, some peeps reported Phenom II beat an i7 965 in a Crysis demo.
12-21-2008, 10:45 AM
Caveman787

We don't know about that yet, hasn't been any details on if that'll make a difference and I don't see how it could really.
12-21-2008, 11:14 AM
Ghostbuster

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

So your screenshot with XP GUI is Windows 7?

The clue was in the GPU-Z window.. ;)

More Phenom II benchies from http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1376983 :)
12-21-2008, 11:24 AM
roofsniper

nice i guess he did get it although it appears like an old one. i just hope i can get mine soon.
12-21-2008, 11:32 AM
ownage

http://i42.tinypic.com/33wa4h4.jpg

Thats really bad lol
C2Q @ 4ghz can hit 6k cpu score.
The phenom2 at 4ghz should do around 5400 - 5500 I think.
12-21-2008, 11:41 AM
ajaidev

This shows the CPU scores around 4483

http://www.breakthelimit.net/coolice...stock/3d06.PNG

and this shows 4091 and they ran the bench at the same resolution??

OK SEEN THE DIFFERENCE - The new screen is an ES where as the 4483 is a retail one also one is Vista and the other one is XP.
12-21-2008, 11:46 AM
roofsniper

anyone know what the stock voltage is? cause i keep seeing pretty high numbers for voltage when its at 3ghz.
12-21-2008, 11:50 AM
charged3800z24

you cannot do like comparisons when they are not "like". I have not seen a 1066mhz ram with decent timings, etc. Until we see a decent review that compares systems with like compontents (besides board and CPU) can you judge a "like" comparison.
12-21-2008, 11:51 AM
ajaidev

Ya it is a bit i seen most 3Ghz PhII's at 1.352 but this one was at 1.368 i think...!!!
12-21-2008, 11:51 AM
charged3800z24

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Originally Posted by roofsniper

anyone know what the stock voltage is? cause i keep seeing pretty high numbers for voltage when its at 3ghz.

1.35v is what stock Phenom II stock v's are supose to be. Is that what you were asking? I sometimes get lost in these threads...
12-21-2008, 11:53 AM
roofsniper

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Originally Posted by charged3800z24

you cannot do like comparisons when they are not "like". I have not seen a 1066mhz ram with decent timings, etc. Until we see a decent review that compares systems with like compontents (besides board and CPU) can you judge a "like" comparison.

we will not see an even benchmark until am3 is released. then the only differences between the intel cpus and amd cpus will be the motherboards and the cpus. :up:

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