at this point nobody cares about 3dmark :D everyone already got satisfaction from great game results :clap:
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at this point nobody cares about 3dmark :D everyone already got satisfaction from great game results :clap:
Oh man that's awesome, and nice 3dmark score.
ATI's back! :party2:
Because we already know G280 3Dmark06 .... just a comparison:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
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Originally Posted by perkam
>>> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2840
btw: great results !
wombat how about stutering with CF ???? (i dont understand german :p: )
regards
Here are the two beauties:
http://www.abload.de/img/hpim11878cy.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/hpim119289r.jpg
:slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
Thanks to w0mbat for bringing us results with the 4850. Looking good so far.
And DON'T quote pictures ffs :shakes:
regardsQuote:
World in Conflict (Patch 1.008) DX10 1920x1200 4xAA 16xAF alles MAX
http://www.abload.de/thumb/settingswicl33.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/wic5dk.jpg
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=500923
right now, ati looks to be a better choice, i have already sold my gtx 280!! hehe for a good amount of money, before they were released, i will either pick up 4850 crossfire on p5q3, or 4870 crossfire.
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Originally Posted by w0mbat
Holy :banana::banana::banana::banana:, those are nice looking :yepp: :clap: :eek:
I wants them, I want them BADLY.
@wOmbat, are your pal doing some tests right now or you just entered his results from the German forum?
i spy with my little eye something beginning with 2 crossfire connectors :D
quad sli? anyone?
I think the sky has fallen. ATI is back? :eek:
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Originally Posted by GAR
We still dont know about stutering with HD4000 CF , you already should know that FPS numbers means nothing with multi GPU !
i dont understand German , i already asked in the german forum if there is any stutering , but ... :shrug:
anyway tomorow i will receive 2x hd4850 from Powercolor to review and thursday a EVGA GTX280 HC
i will test myself and then i report !
:up:
2x 4850 = GTX 280 KILLER and only costs 175€ each...Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
bye, bye nvidia
NDA? If not, what is the other part of your system:).Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
Yeah, well found. It surely means we can have more than two little monsters to a fps party :ROTF:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papu
I couldn't care less about either of the companies with any emotional attachment
but to see such an improvement for ATI is great for consumers over the next 2 gens,
Although nvidia may take the performance crown, the profitability on the 4 series looks like the winning product
not to mention the moot points over nvidia like lower consumption and DX10.1
ATI fanboys must be rejoicing in disbelief :)
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Originally Posted by Stuen4y
my system:
E8400
4Gb gskill 8000 PQ
Asus P5E X38
Corsair TX750W
Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit
best regards
Hes doing the testing all the time, UT3 & CoH will follow but now is football time (france-italy).Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuen4y
GO ITALY :yepp::up::DQuote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
Thanks in advance, I have only one more request. Up to this date we have only seen tests with E8*** on 4ghz, could you try 3.2 or 3.5, something like that, to see if the cards are bottlenecked by the cpu :).Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
I knew it :D. Football time is also beer time, so cheers :).Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Genius_pt
wonder how it scales.....:D
SWEET! What CPU and motherboard will you use? I hope an X38 or X48 board, so that CF gets dual PCIe 2.0 x16 lanes. P35 only provides a single x16 lane and a single x4 lane, both 1.0. P45 provides dual x8 lanes, both 2.0. So x38 and X48 would be the best choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
Will you be benching with a yorkfield? If so, please keep it at a reasonable speed, such as 3.6GHz. :yepp:
Any of them left then? I thought they were extinct by now. :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
Nice to see ATI back in the game. :up:
Why don't you try to READ what is written before your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
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Originally Posted by mascaras
Now answer yourself is your post spam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuen4y
In Europe they start selling tomorrow, starting price on popular Dutch webshop = € 175,00 :up:
yap only 175€ and you can imagine the diference between nvidiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Unbornchild
flashgip and AMD top i think there will be a great diference
performance/price much better for ATI
I think the true winner in this mess will be the GTX260.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrHydes
2 x GTX 260s, will be smoking everything else except 2 x GTX 280
My guess is the 2 x GTX260 will beat what ATI puts out in the 2 GPU arena. Sure maybe if you 4x some stuff it'll beat 2x GTX260s but the price will probably be higher too.They need to priced $350
Im so getting a couple of these cards... or maybe 3. :D
Well at the moment the GTX260 is stupidly overpriced, and what you said, was just stupid.
Who needs all this power if can play EVERYTHING up to 1920x1200 with CF4850 in less price ;).
Completely agree. The card is around 10% faster than the 9800GTX and 8800GTX/Ultra and is with around x1.5 transistors. I won't tell anything about the heat :).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
a single R700 blow away the 280Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
so how you can think that 2x260 will not be atomized by 2xR700?
Don't hold back. Tell us what you really think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
R700 = HD4870X2 ie 2 gpu's, 2 x 2 = 4 isnt it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ORBR
Im saying 2 x 260's will beat 2 x HD4870, price will be similar Nvidia aint stupid
Completely sure about that? Me not ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
CF scales much better and if the micro stuttering issue comes resolvedQuote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
this time then we allready have a winner because sure 4870X2 will be faster
than GTX280... :clap: 1 TERA FLOOPS my friend
You sure? I thought it was next wednesday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unbornchild
Go on, I am willingQuote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
Hmm, it seems that my local forummates were not lying when they gave their impression out of this baby, against G92 single GPU derivatives, HD 4850 FTW !
EDIT: From the leaked slide pic, it's quite obvious that the launch price of HD 3870 512 MB GDDR5 would be 299 US$, how on earth a 399 US$ GTX 260 matches that value when everything points that GT200 cards are much more expensive to built ? Though i must say, with 448 MB version, GTX 260 price can be slashed perhaps to 349 US$, but i don't think it would happen anytime soon -from the experience of 8800 GTS 320 MB.
The cards are in sale from tomorrow, that are the latest news :).Quote:
Originally Posted by korda
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Originally Posted by Stuen4y
no problem :up:
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Originally Posted by Unbornchild
:yepp:
regards
@mascaras: There is no noticable micro stuttering w/ HD4850 CF but its all relative :D
Good, if micro stuttering is unnoticeable this should mean that hd4850 cf is better in everything than a gt280.
People need to calm the heck down, you are too over-hyped about anything in the present.
Yesterday we had GTX280 reviews, today we have HD4850CF hype...
I bet all your hormones are just bumping hard, but don't get in kid fights saying GTX will be like this, HD4xxxCF will be like that...
We all know for ages CF works more than great @ 3dmark2006, and it is really good to see AA is working right with it, we should let the people who have the cards and the info do their jobs without any pressure.
So, please, calm down... :)
I am sure too, a popular store here in Portugal also announced tomorrow they'll have HD4850's to sell :)Quote:
Originally Posted by korda
wtf?Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
do you work for nvidia?
:eleph:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuen4y
Thanks for the info. Gotta get me two of those.
HD4850 would be around $370 and the HD4870 $430.
:ROTF:
Compared to what, to nvidia's almost insane high prices? We see different price policy from ati and it should work better and sale more vga-s.
the HD 4850 is listed with max draw of 114W...didnt the 7900gt had around the same power draw?
im not sure which other card to compare to it when it comes to power consumption,from the "middle enthusiast segment" or whatever they call the 150$ to 300$ range...
8800gt and hd3870 are around that power consumption too :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AAbenson
Can someone give info what are the prices in the already listed cards in Europe?
250 Euro for 4870? 175 Euro is much higher price than the first predicted ~230$, but to be honest the card worths every cent :).Quote:
Originally Posted by madcho
This looks more promising :) and the "prediction" of ~230$ is right:).Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
175€
and 250-280€
Should be between 130 and 150 Euros without VAT:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuen4y
http://www.nordichardware.com/image3.php?id=5188
Perkam
Spoke to some one who works at OcUK just now and he said that they will on sale tomorrow. From OcUK any way, will ask around a few other places.
I highly doubt that because the user base running Nvidia mobos is pretty small compared to Xfire capable Intel chipped mobos.Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
*sigh* I have seen the leaked prices as well. But people here seem to have short memories. AMD's own literature admits that the 4850 is supposed to compete with the 8800GT and the 4870 is supposed to compete with the 8800GTS 512 and 9800 GTX. But no one seems to believe them. AMD is pretty short on money at the moment. If they really thought the 4850 for instance could compete with the GTX260 don't you think they would be pricing a bit closer to Nvidia? Now maybe it's true that AMD overestimated the performance of the GTX200 series, but AMD is a huge corporation. They are in business to make money. They are not saints. If their cards do better in comparison to Nvidia, they will probably raise MSRPs and even if they don't the market will do it for them. I remember not so long ago when ATI was on top. Their cards were more expensive than Nvidia for equal levels of performance. Of course ATI is no longer in control of pricing. And, unlike ATI, AMD does have a history of agressive pricing. But you could still see their true colors before Core was released in the way that they priced their FX series. Not much bang for the buck there. The point of all this is that AMD would be gouging too if they thought they could get away with it. I think the 4870 will be slightly faster than the 8800GTS/9800GTX, and I think the 4870x2 will be something like 20% faster than the GTX280 when it is released in late August. Then we will see about what angels they are about "ridiculous" pricing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuen4y
4870 is delayed for 6th July, so because of that Ati is taking out the cards sooner than we have expected. And one more thing, don't you think that even 4850 can be at one level with 9800GTX/8800GTS or even faster? With all that power it shows, nvidia can only hope for equal results ;).
P.S. Sry, I have forgotten about the source : http://forum.donanimhaber.com/m_24064311/tm.htm
Delayed till July 6th? Where is the source link?
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ral3l3it
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x...RV770dates.jpg
Any chance theyll be offering them at similar prices to europe? Or will we have to look to other etailors?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron
AMD's own in-house slides showed 30-40% increases over the compared nVidia products (8800GT for the 4850, 9800GTX for the 4870).... Considering the pricing I wouldn't say the 4800's are competing with the G92's, but utterly destroying them.Quote:
Originally Posted by gojirasan
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/14...280/index.html
"The GTX 280 is slower than a pair of CrossFired 4850s for the most part; it’s also $250 AUD dearer. The price on the HD 4850 in AUD is around $250, so $500 for a pair while the GTX 280 is starting at $750. So, a pair of 4850s isn’t enough to drag me away from my consoles, but the 4870s should if the 4850 is anything to go by. The best thing about them however is that the value these cards will offer is nothing short of astonishing."
"As frustrated at NVIDIA as I am, who has really annoyed me is ATI. The fact that the NDA has been pushed back is just killing me. Knowing the results on the HD 4850 has completely changed my outlook on the GTX 280. At the moment, a lot of review websites have compared the GTX 280 to the 9800 GX2 and they see the performance being similar with a single core, then they see the new technology that’s implemented into the card and find it all to be pretty amazing. Performance talks though, and if these people had seen the HD 4850 run in CrossFire, I don’t doubt that their opinion on the cards would have likely changed."
Ouch! :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by godsfist
This pondee better every time, hoping the gtx 260 and hd 4850/70
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9691/index.html
looks like the 4870 is out and about in the wild... not sure if those vantage scores are Extreme or not
Nothing new, 9600gt can give GTX 280 a goQuote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1293&pageID=4986
9800gtx is much faster
seems that nobody. included nvidia, believed how good the 4850 and 4850 Xfire would be :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by godsfist
you see the cf 4850's are FASTER than the 280....the 9600Sli are SLOWER.... :P:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
Prices my man..Quote:
Originally Posted by Papu
9600gt much cheaper, in europe you can get two for 180 euros ( same price as HD4850 )
I want to see single card performance numbers from the HD4850, only comeback I am seeing is crossfire.
Sli scales very well as well you know.
9800gtx is reaching/ will reach HD4850 prices
HD4850 vs 9800gtx bring it!!!!
+60% sulla 4850
HD4850 vs HD4870 :
Xtreme preset :
HD4850 vs 4870
GT1 : 8.62 - 12.57
GT2 : 7.13 - 12.72
FT1 : 651.67 - 779.86
FT2 : 3.41 - 5.49
FT3 : 18.11 - 20.58
FT4 : 14.23 - 17.02
FT5 : 27.59 - 33.58
FT6 : 48.92 - 53.73
GPU Score : 2692 - 4316
http://www.tweaktown.com/popImg.php?..._4850erly1.jpg
http://www.tweaktown.com/popImg.php?..._4850erly2.jpg
ATI on steroids!
and
pixel fill rate test 5.49 GP/s
more than 16 ROPS????
Oh....my.....god! Looks like it's payback time for AMD. It looks like AMD is going to be the one opening the can of whoopass on Nvidia this summer. Who would have thunk it. Let's see how they behave themselves when they have the lead again. We'll have to see if they give us great prices out of the kindness of their hearts. I'm in for a 4870x2 on release day for sure. It looks like it's going to kick some serious tailbone. Maybe we'll start getting back to the old days of 6 month releases like clockwork and vicious competition between Nvidia and ATI (AMD). But I wonder what AMD would do about a 55nm GTX295 GX2. Now if AMD could just catch up to a company like Intel, who hasn't been sitting on their arses for the past year waiting for them to catch up we could be back to competitive markets for CPUs and GPUs.
I doubt as a whole the 4870 will be 60% faster than the 4850, I just can't see that happening, it would be amazing if true, but I just don't see it happening
It's like a fairytale-very nice and sweet, but you never know whether it is true ;). Till 6th or 8th july, we can't be sure.
Then i suggest you actually stop being a blatant flaming fanboy and go to the Video Cards section and read the 4850 review for yourself.
mmmkay, i'm gonna go be sick :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by gojirasan
ATI, NVIDIA = Companies
they don't give a banana about you, they'd kill you for money if they could get away with it
No, just 16 ROPs w/ 4Z/clk @ >100GB bandwidth.Quote:
Originally Posted by ORBR
Who's that directed at? If that's directed at me, I'll give one chance to apologize, because you can ask anyone around here and they'll tell you I've been around this thread from the start and definitely have learned a lot more about the rv770 than any new comer calling others "flaming fanboy"sQuote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
guess its true about the ROPs being far more efficientQuote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
Point me too a direct comparison between HD4850 vs 9800gtx thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
lol dude - you watch too many movies :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
It was aimed at y2kbos.
And i'm not just some n00b that wandered in off the streets you know. I have been doing this far longer than i've been a member of XS for. You definitely have some complex though, if you take that attitude towards someone who's comments aren't aimed at you in the first place.
CF 4850's look strong, that much is certain, but I fear micro-stuttering is still around and until I see a unanimous confirmation that it's fixed(not just a few forum members, as there are some who claimed it didn't happen with the 3870x2 as well) I still can't claim it a viable solution either.
Fact is, I have a buyer for my 8800GTX next month who needs a new card as he's still rocking out my old 6800GT(which still works as it did on launch), and am keeping a very close eye on how things develop with ATi as well as with NVidia. I'd point him in the direction of something else and just keep the card, but if I can spend a little more and get something much better, why not, as he insists on buying my card specifically.
So I'm watching this thread very closely at this point. ;)
60% of improvement means that hd4870 should be almost as powerful as hd4850 cf :eek:. Hmm, thats too good to believe...
It would kill any demand for a 4850X2 as well. I'm sure ATI would prefer for that not to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Genius_pt
Unless the X2's this generation scale obscenely well all the time at least, that's a nice pipedream :rofl:
I hope tomorrow comes the single 4850 tests and all the mystery around this card goes away :).
Have the confirmed 4850x2? I don't think so:). They need x2 card only for the high end and for prestige :).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly Fox
lol, I wishQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
I am in a very well connected business network,
nearly all my friends are habitual but the few non-HE guys admit they'd do anything for their businesses
or maybe there's no 4850X2 at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly Fox
;)
other scores... the 280 seems heavly powned..
GTX280
SM2=5439
SM3=4653
4850 CF
SM2=5770
SM3=6109
With the results i'm seeing, i'm about ready to jump ship and get a pair of 4850's....should see me through until all the nehalem rush has passed!
Possibly. I'd imagine some partner would make one though. Even if ATI doesn't lay out a design for one themselves. I mean, Asus made that crazy 3850X3 Trinity Super Ultra Insanity FTW Edition card :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ORBR
You know the one I'm talking about, with 3 3850 GPU's on one big board that you have to watercool.
Granted, I doubt it will ever actually be sold to the public, but the idea of a 4850X2 is a little less weird. So who knows eh?
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Originally Posted by AliG
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
One chance or what?
lmao @ AliG
Best name ever. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly Fox
Ancient proverb say, don't open whoopass can if other guy has bigger can.
:rofl::up::ROTF::clap:
and 9600 Matrix :D
way better than longbow chik!
anyways, red team needs the X2, at least for pub sake, and I think they know that....
I'm giving you ALL one chance to drop the argument... I've let this go on long enough. Next response to your off-topic discussion gets reminded that we do infact have moderators at this site...Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
Get back on topic, stop the "ATi are t3h fail" nature of your posts in this thread. Consider this a public warning, not just to yourself, but to EVERYONE who might get the same idea in their head that this is ok to do. ;)
Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you by experience :D
I will keep my views for another thread boss
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by eleeter
Where can I find out more detailed info about this "micro-stuttering" that I keep hearing about? Any videos that show it?Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
I personally can't comment on the validity of such claims(BTW not calling you out), since I have never owned a multi GPU setup... But is microstuttering as prevalent and noticeable as people have made it out to be? Another question, with only 512MB of GDDR3 would 4850s CF'd choke when subjected to 19x12 res, AA, AF and a texture heavy game? I'm not trying to flame anyone, I'm just curious as I have never owned a SLI/CF multi gpu rig but am quite tempted ATM considering the 4850s price point...Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
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Originally Posted by ORBR
512MB GDDR5 version ?!?!
http://www.tweaktown.com/popImg.php?..._4850erly2.jpg
regards
so it confirms 32tmus, but only 512mb frame buffer.... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ORBR
1gb version need asap. :yepp:
You'll always get micro-stuttering in CF, because it will still use AFR and you have two complete and independent cards. The only thing that could be new is the 4870X2. Will test both CF and R700 when I can, but I can bet MC will be present at least in the CF solution. R700 remains to be seen ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
4850CF is no different from 3870CF, so if you're looking for the power of two without the problems of two wait and see what R700 can do (or can't do, who knows).
BTW impressive results of the 70 if true, but I'm with Hornet, 1GB cards NOW!
Starting as low as 155€ here and in stock, given the pricing track record of that shop i'm expecting you'd be able to find some in the 140€ range in a few days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuen4y
http://www.grosbill.com/index.php3?id=76848&site=clubic